My July SLR, with "Outstanding Event"

[alinda]

I’ve been taking a look at my SLR for July 18th, 2021 – Newport News VA, 6:00AM trying to practice this a bit. I'm putting my notes below, and if anyone has anything to add, or wants to tell me where I'm way off base, I'd love the input. Thanks!

My birth data for reference is: Nov. 7th, 1980, 1:24am, Portsmouth, VA US

Steve brought up in another thread that this chart represents an outstanding event. Sun / Pluto are are partile conjuct ASC/ DSC respectively.

So, reading notes on this site, this is what I have so far:

First the foreground planets in the SLR are the sun and Pluto. Additionally, my Natal Venus, Saturn, Jupiter are within 10 degrees of my SLR IC – I believe this puts them in the foreground as well?

This group of planets make this look like mixed (good v. bad) month, but seems pretty harsh or stressful.

The Sun / Pluto are the strongest being both partile angular and opposition.

Looking at various notes here on this opposition / angularity:
Turning points related to identity where attention will be drawn to the self, dramatic changes and self- examination. Seems to draw attention to the self while simultaneously rejecting social norms. Possibly relationship issues?

Looks like a shocking, unexpected event that could force one to the fore… I’m really not looking forward to this…

If I am understanding correctly, according to Jim’s notes on SLR interpretation, the above is what the world will throw at me. Then to see my reaction to that, I look at natal aspects to the SLR chart?

My natal chart has Venus, Saturn, and Jupiter conjunct the SLR IC. Venus is closest at about 2 degrees.
- Venus here, makes relationships appear important, and home surroundings.
- Saturn 5 degrees pointing to restriction and delay.
- I’m not sure if Jupiter is close enough to count at 9 degrees, but this would bring luck and expansion to the situation.

I see one remain partile hard aspect to consider for background – Mercury partile square MH
- So this seems to put travel, communication, and business to the fore

Note: I have a trip scheduled for the 23rd – 26th of July that is a little concerning

[SteveS]

Alinda wrote:

My natal chart has Venus, Saturn, and Jupiter conjunct the SLR IC. Venus is closest at about 2 degrees.

Excellent observation! Jim teaches: take the main theme of a Return Chart and if a Natal Planet appears close to a Return angle---this will be a clue to how you will react to the main theme (Sun-Pluto) of a Return Chart. So, you will react in a Venus manner to the partile Sun-Pluto 180 on the horizon of the SLR. Venus is a benefic.
Alinda wrote:

Note: I have a trip scheduled for the 23rd – 26th of July that is a little concerning.

Is the trip business or social with family? I would not be concerned since your Natal Venus is close to your SLR IC.

[Jim Eshelman]

You did very well at identifying the big themes IMHO. It looks like a high-impact event (and yes, including self-confrontation) that also seems to stir relationship matters. I think you missed (but got the same themes anyway) that the Sun-Pluto squares your natal Pluto, which is also angular (square Asc).

I'll break this chart down for you mathematically - more technically than you really need in order to interpret it - just so you can see the fine points. Primarily, the difference below is that we calculate the angularities mundanely (not in the zodiac), and some of the aspects are closer mundanely than ecliptically (so those are the orbs given). - But I want to repeat, first, that you did a good job at capturing what's going on.

You'll see that, of the three natal planets if calculated mundanely, Venus is exactly angular, Saturn is moderately angular, and Jupiter is barely angular. That figures into the weight. With Sun-Pluto on Asc and your Venus on IC, this also forms transiting Sun & Pluto sq. natal Venus mundanely (it's what's called a paran).

t Sun on Asc -0°54'
---------------------------- Su/Pl = angle 0°14'
r Venus on IC +0°19'
t Pluto on Dsc +0°26'
t Mercury on EP +0°20'
r Pluto on N 2°02'
r Saturn on IC +4°35'
r Jupiter on IC +9°04'

Close Foreground Aspects
t Pluto sq. r Venus 0°07' mundo
t Sun-Pluto op. 0°27'
t Mercury sq. r Venus 0°41'
t Sun sq. r Venus 1°13' mundo
t Pluto sq. r Pluto 2°22'
t Sun sq. r Pluto 2°50'

Other Partile
t Mars sq. r Moon 0°03' mundo
t Venus sq. r Uranus 0°06'
t Jupiter sq. r Uranus 0°34' mundo
t Uranus op. r Sun 0°46' mundo


There are some aspects you can't see unless you look at it mundanely, but you nonetheless were able to identify the main themes. May I reframe them with a little different emphasis?

First, considering how close four planets are to angles, including significant close aspects, this should be a more important SLR than average. Because of the Pluto, expect it to show something of high impact that changes and your life in some specific way. With Sun rising so closely, it also puts you much in the limelight, a center of attention, a hub of the activity.

With response to your anxiety about this - while the events are likely to be impactful, they are also, on balance, going to be positive. Natal Venus outweighs any contrary message: You are right that there are mixed indicators, but the negative isn't as strong; for example, the Saturn is several degrees wider than the exact Venus. Besides Venus' angularity, the exact Sun square (exactly on angles) to your Venus is also quite positive. If there were less "distancing" indicators, I'd expect you to be "the belle of the ball."

Nonetheless, given all the Pluto, separation surely will be an important theme. Two Plutos are angular and one of them is in 0°07' (mundane) square to your Venus (the closest aspect in the chart and surely the most important). Here's a subtlety: These are separative but not necessarily loss. It could well be cutting ties. (It could, of course, just be a strong, strong need to get away from things for a while, depending on the nature of your trip.) If Saturn were closer to the angle (it's moderate rather than strong) or your natal Venus-Saturn conjunction were a closer aspect, I would mark this as loss in relationship; however, the strongest factors in this chart don't say that. It seems you cut ties of some sort, or "depart," and generally feel quite happy about it.

Sun, Pluto, Mercury, and natal Venus are excruciatingly close to angles. Sun-Pluto opposite each other and square your Venus, plus Mercury's square to your Venus, are the strongest aspects (but Sun-Pluto also squares your Pluto as a wider-but-not-wide, supplemental aspect).

There's some adventure afoot - suggested also by the non-foreground partile aspects. Some wonder or discovery.

[alinda]

Is the trip business or social with family? I would not be concerned since your Natal Venus is close to your SLR IC.

I'm going to New Orleans with a friend for a long weekend. Technically, it's a pleasure trip, but I'm starting to dread it for various reasons.

[alinda]

Thank you for the detailed response Jim

I've started reading through the Mudoscope chapter of your book, very interesting! I think you said that there were ways to trick software programs into calculating the Mundoscope... does that apply to any of the free online tools, astrodienst etc? I've been trying to figure it out with no luck.

but the negative isn't as strong; for example, the Saturn is several degrees wider than the exact Venus. Besides Venus' angularity, the exact Sun square (exactly on angles) to your Venus is also quite positive. If there were less "distancing" indicators, I'd expect you to be "the belle of the ball."

I think you also say in somewhere that Venus + Saturn or Pluto can mean Love / Sadness events. I take it you don't see that here? Is that because the Venus conjunction is the closest? Would it also be correct to say that because it is so much closer than Saturn, it is overpowering that planet?

With the other Uranus aspects, it seems this would be something very unexpected?

[Jim Eshelman]

Uranus can also juslt mean something new, refreshing, renewing. This might just be the trip to Nola.

I don't know a way to get the necessary mundane measurements from the free online software. If they give altitude and Right Ascension, you can at least tell when a planet is exactly rising-setting or in the meridian, respectively., which may be enough.

Regarding loss and sadness, I don't see it as the loudest voice. There is so much that is so strong thst moderate orbs etc. aren't going to be the main story. They may Bea subplot, or can take other forms, like being disappointed at something or, for that matter, being dutiful and conscientious instead of pleasure minded.

A subtlety: I wouldn't say Venus overpowers Saturn so much as that it has a louder voice. I rarely think one planet eliminates another, but it can outrank it, be a bigger or more central part of the story, represent the stronger of two mixed feelings about a thing, etc.

[SteveS]

alinda wrote:

Technically, it's a pleasure trip, but I'm starting to dread it for various reasons.

Normally, the Stage is always Set before the actual manifestations of an "outstanding incident" Return Chart. Keep us informed. Thanks

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

I've started reading through the Mudoscope chapter of your book, very interesting! I think you said that there were ways to trick software programs into calculating the Mundoscope... does that apply to any of the free online tools, astrodienst etc? I've been trying to figure it out with no luck.

Many have looked for a way to get a mundoscope out of the online tools, but it's a whole different set of calculations. Most sites simply don't have the bandwidth to offer all the possible charts. They do a lot of Indian/Hindu/Vedic stuff which is what most people want and even call "sidereal."

If you are using a site like astro.com that allows you to get a map (astro calls them astromaps and they are under the specials tab) you can see where the mundane lines are. It only shows the lines for the base chart. If you set up a lunar return from your birthdata, the chart will only show the lines for the birthdata. You have to add the lunar return under "new chart data" as a separate birthdata entry and then you can get the map for it.