Just listened to a song by Adele and thought about her as a character and what a strong and independant woman she seems to be. She is able to deliver feeling in her songs and she has a very strong voice. I get chills down my spine listening to her!
But what I also notice about her is that she is not the typical pop-star that is told to take off her clothes and be sexy, she has class and seems to go her own ways as a singer, not a sex object. So I took a look at her chart and it surprises me a lot. She is a total Mars queen!
She has Moon in Scorpio, Sun partile conjunct Jupiter in Aries and she has a partile angular Mars at the place she is born and in London as well.
She relocated to Brighton as a child, but that does not change her chart much, except that Mars becomes even more angular, 0.01° from ASC.
I would have expected to see some Venus, Neptune or MC in artistic signs such as Libra, Taurus or Pisces f.ex.
So can anyone help me understand what in her chart expresses a singer?
Maybe it is that Moon-Venus opposition?
She is born 5 May 1988 at 03:02 (= 03:02 AM ) Tottenham, England, 51n35, 0w04
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Adele_(singer)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adele
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYEDA3JcQqw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLQl3WQQoQ0
But she does suggest to set fire to the rain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri7-vnr ... 33&index=3
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Re: Adele - The Queen of Mars
Postby Jim Eshelman on Thu Nov 19, 2015 8:50 pm
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I would have expected to see some Venus, Neptune or MC in artistic signs such as Libra, Taurus or Pisces f.ex.
So can anyone help me understand what in her chart expresses a singer?
Well, first of all, Scorpio Moon is one of the single most musical placements one can have in a chart, both for great composers and for vocalists. (Fagan thought this was because of Scorpio's rulership of the throat, and the symbolism especially refers to ability to ability to control breath Egypt's patron goddess of Scorpio had a name that literally means, "she who relieves the windpipe," which you can take in at least a couple of ways.)
And have you seen the training of singers? It's like the training of athletes. Theoretical expectations of artistry aside, Taurus and Libra are among the least musical signs of the zodiac overall (though Pisces does step in strongly with both Sun and Moon, primarily for divas male or female - I've posted and could recreate a list of diva-grade pop and classical performers with Pisces luminaries).
But this chart, as you've correctly cited, is Mars! If it were a a major Venus chart, then we'd expect the "take your clothes off, baby, and look cute" kind of presentation.
And she has a solid share of Venus - enough to pull on it whenever she needs the charm or feeling or Venus style of sex-appeal - in her close (2°01') Moon-Venus opposition, as you noticed. The "class" you mention is the < 2° Sun-Jupiter conjunction.
Aries-Scorpio, with an exalted Mars less than a degree from Ascendant. Yup!
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Re: Adele - The Queen of Mars
Postby Venus_Daily on Fri Nov 20, 2015 1:06 am
This is amazing, as a child to the age of about 15 to 16, I wanted to be a vocalist/singer, vocal polyps and a Sagitarrian Moon messed me up though. Having Mars conjunct Uranus in Scorpio, I've been told that I have a sexually attractive voice, very expressive, very feminine, I always thought this was Taurus's influence on the ASC, but after your explanation of astrological anatomy, it explains a lot. I guess Mars is associated with Scorpio due to expression of the breath and voice through diaphragm past the vocal cords. It is very symbolic of the human psyche if you think about it, conscious thought trying to push past the iceberg of the physical and spiritual mind, both singing and genuinely conscious thought require practice and and a good amount of skill, and when used improperly can come across as a 15 year old adolescent male with a squeeky voice.
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Re: Adele - The Queen of Mars
Postby Arena on Sat Nov 21, 2015 11:39 am
Thank you so much Jim, this is news to me. I never have connected Mars with voice - rather have seen the aggressive, athletic, leadership talent of Mars along with violent tendencies.
So this is another side of Mars that I've not known of before. Well, Adele is strong proof of this for siderealists
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Well, first of all, Scorpio Moon is one of the single most musical placements one can have in a chart, both for great composers and for vocalists.
...what about Scorpio Suns? My little daughter has a Scorpio Sun sidereally and she has a really strong voice. I believe she could be a great singer if she wants to. But her Moon is Pisces sidereally. Sometimes I've thought that sidereal doesn't fit my little children because they can both be so aggressive (so a Moon in Aries would fit).
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Re: Adele - The Queen of Mars
Postby Jim Eshelman on Sat Nov 21, 2015 5:18 pm
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Thank you so much Jim, this is news to me. I never have connected Mars with voice - rather have seen the aggressive, athletic, leadership talent of Mars along with violent tendencies.
Just to be clear, I didn't say that Mars, poer se, is connected to voice, but that Scorpio is; and, in general, there is a fair comparison of top singers and athletes (the endurance required, the nature of their continual physical training in breath etc., the kind of discipline, etc. etc. and so forth).
Well, first of all, Scorpio Moon is one of the single most musical placements one can have in a chart, both for great composers and for vocalists.
...what about Scorpio Suns?
The most musical band of the zodiac is Scorpio around to Pisces, but with some quirks and variations along the way - for example, Sagittarius mostly seems not to show this except for conductors - maestros using their hands and majesty - and some composers (and Gemini picks up the rhythm side). Yes, you can find it with Scorpio Suns but nowhere near as much as with Scorpio Moons. For the Sun, consider no less than Frank Sinatra!
My little daughter has a Scorpio Sun sidereally and she has a really strong voice. I believe she could be a great singer if she wants to. But her Moon is Pisces sidereally. Sometimes I've thought that sidereal doesn't fit my little children because they can both be so aggressive (so a Moon in Aries would fit).
But she has a Scorpio Sun! You need both luminaries to be martial?
BTW, I had mentioned that Pisces luminaries - either Sun or Moon - has a diva quality, and this isn't limited to the operatic at all: there are numerous pop singers that are full-on divas. From the charts I have sitting in Solar Fire, consider the following:
Sun in Pisces: Irene Cara, Aretha Franklin, Billie Holiday, Diana Ross, Elton John
Moon in Pisces: Antonio Banderas, Della Reese, Luciano Pavarotti, Placido Domingo, Whitney Houston - and for a softer side, add James Taylor and Stevie Wonder.
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Re: Adele - The Queen of Mars
Postby Arena on Sat Nov 21, 2015 7:29 pm
Aha, well I guess I must encourage my daughter to practise that voice and become a singing diva!
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Adele - The record breaker
Postby Arena on Sun Jan 24, 2016 8:50 pm
So, now she is breaking records. Her new song, Hello is really reaching the world.
Her 2015 SSR mundoscope for London, England shows angular Pluto (I am assuming she lives there since the record company is there - but I can't be sure).
Her SSR ASC comes to natal Neptune and SSR IC comes to natal Sun - but nothing is partile.
"Hello" attained international commercial success reaching number one in almost every country it charted in, including the United Kingdom, where it became her second UK number-one single, following "Someone like You", and has the largest opening week sales in three years. In the United States, "Hello" debuted atop the Billboard Hot 100, becoming Adele's fourth number-one on the chart and breaking several records, including becoming the first song to sell over a million digital copies in a week.
The accompanying music video was directed by Xavier Dolan and co-stars Adele and Tristan Wilds. The music video for the song broke the Vevo Record by achieving over 27.7 million views within a 24-hour span, held previously by Taylor Swift's "Bad Blood" which accumulated 20.1 million views in that timeframe. It also broke the record for shortest time to attain 100 million Vevo views, previously held by Miley Cyrus' "Wrecking Ball", as well as shortest time to reach 1 billion YouTube views (88 days). Adele promoted the song with a live performance on a BBC one-hour special, entitled Adele at the BBC.
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Re: Adele - The Queen of Mars
Postby Jim Eshelman on Sun Jan 24, 2016 9:30 pm
More simply... transiting Pluto, at the moment, is 0°02' from semisquare her Mercury. Talk about breaking records!
I'm curious what will happen as Saturn crosses her Midheaven in the near future (mid-February). For the short-term, this jay be a drop, but she's riding the wave of the well-documented Saturn cycle: Saturn rising up to the Midheaven over 14 years shows a primary career climax (except for the poorly prepared).
She also has a progressed Moon-Uranus conjunction. Progressed Moon is within 1° of her progressed Uranus and will continue through natal Uranus, and then progressed and natal Saturn, over the next couple of months. Worth watching.
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Re: Adele - The Queen of Mars
Postby Arena on Sun Jan 24, 2016 9:45 pm
Yes, it is interesting. I love that voice of hers.
I think I saw SSR Saturn next yesr on the Dsc. So I guess we can say a heavy Saturn period is coming up. I hope she can use it constructively ...but sorrows, depressions, setbacks or hurting in love could also produce another record breaker in this womans life, as she is able to put real emotions into her songs.
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Re: Adele - The Queen of Mars
Postby Jim Eshelman on Sun Jan 24, 2016 9:53 pm
Arena wrote:
I love that voice of hers.
Your Venuses are conjunct (< 3°), though that also brings her Saturn-Uranus to play on your Descendant, opposite your Venus. Her Sun being in Aries near your Moon doesn't hurt your responsiveness to her, either!
A few other hits... including her Mars opposite your Mercury-Mars and square your Moon (( think that gives a kind of sympatico, maybe even a "sisterhood of Mars" kind of feel if that makes any sense)... but I think the ones above speak especially strongly to your response.
Oh, her Pluto squares your Sun within 09'. I would expect that she has the capacity to alter you, almost to redefine you.
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Re: Adele - The Queen of Mars
Postby Arena on Sun Jan 24, 2016 10:12 pm
WOW! I hadn't even thought of looking into synastry points to my chart
But that is pretty interesting
since I love her looks and independency or her own style as well.