Cancers that think they are Leos

[Veronica]

Omg, why is it that at this time more then any other time do I encounter soooooo many people boasting of being a Leo!! As if being a Leo was the end all be all of ultimate wonderfulness!! Seriously, is it just me or what? Because I dont recall of any other time of year where I happen to learn its birthday time.

It ties 8n with a thought that I always had about astrology, a deep deep question that was always in the back of my mind about the " as above so below" expression I see alive around me. The thing that never sat right to me, was the idea the the Sun was assigned to Leo, or supposedly tied in/ entangled/ influential with one particular constellation.

the fact that the sun itself is a star associates/ relates it equally to all other stars. It's not more at home in one constellation more then any other. I dont understand the logic of how it originally came to be taught that the sun blesses one constellation more then the rest. I find no model in nature for any type of divine blessing.

In thinking about a bundle of sticks and how in a very real way that is a more accurate model of reality then the wheel, )which in my opinion as a double hub, seems very elitist) it seems clear to me that the idea of the wheel itself may have been promoted by Leo's themselves, with Cancerians waving their flag of wonderfulness.

[Jim Eshelman]

the fact that the sun itself is a star associates/ relates it equally to all other stars. It's not more at home in one constellation more then any other. I dont understand the logic of how it originally came to be taught that the sun blesses one constellation more then the rest. I find no model in nature for any type of divine blessing.

I can answer the "how" question. It happened when the Earth was thought to be the center of the universe (at least the center of out point of view) and Sun (not at all thought to be a star) was simply one of the seven things that seemed to be moving around us.

Obviously, that was a mistake and one can then wonder whether the mistake needs to be undone somehow. What has always set most comfortably with me is that our Sun is not merely "just another one of the stars," but is the one most dramatically singled out in importance for us - and this, in fact, is basic to the astrological nature of the Sun, that it shows that in us which is most dramatically singled out from the rest.

[Parto]

I think she was referring to the Sun's dignity in Leo (making Leo "special"), rather than inquiring about the specialness of the Sun itself. (No?)

Reminds me of this post, which might be relevant to the subject if I understood you correctly, Veronica.

[Veronica]

I believe that is Mitochondria.

being human is such miraculous conglomeration of star dust itself. yet it feels like there are people who hate it more then I love it.

I watched those guys blow off the rockets into space, and I wondered why the scientists didnt tell them that their mitochondria will be damaged. Human beings as we are in flesh cannot. Yet I swear that I left my body and swam in a neuro net of dancing light out to space.

It feels like to tell someone who felt empowered by feeling special to something, who had such a need to look outside of themselves for validation would be cruel and necessary because I tell ya, I look at them and see the most magical beautiful unique aspects, and the party wouldn't be the same without them.

[Veronica]

I think she was referring to the Sun's dignity in Leo (making Leo "special"), rather than inquiring about the specialness of the Sun itself. (No?)

Reminds me of this post, which might be relevant to the subject if I understood you correctly, Veronica.

I meant that I do not believe that the sun should be assigned to any constellation, at all, that it is not of the nature of a planet at all, that it has it own distinct vibrational frequency and all constellation partake of that equally.
I further believe that the man made construct of the wheel as a model is outdated. incorrect and more destructive then the model of the cosmos we see from Hubble. I have never seen any picture from space that looks like craigers on a 72 charger but I do see bundles of stars circling around.

[Veronica]

seems to me that in order to replace the sun, then the planet I would put in its place would need to be completely brushed off and cast in it's TRUE light.

[Jim Eshelman]

Do you then think Moon, as well, should not be assigned to any constellation?

[Veronica]

Do you then think Moon, as well, should not be assigned to any constellation?

I honestly feel that the moon should not be assigned anything either. The Moon was once part of Earth. If anything should get assigned anything I would think Earth itself needs to be the one, it's not under rulership of anything and really seems to be neglected in discussions about the qualities and attributes of planets.
we say alot about how some are beneficial and some malicious but I've never heard much recent talk about Earth.

perspective I suppose is the bottom of that.

[Jim Eshelman]

Yes: We are the Earth, i.e., it's our point of view. The view is that everything else is having impact on here, not that here has impact on here.

[Veronica]

whose view is that?

Because I dont see that. I see that the earth is also a contributor.

I learned the other day that the Earth drifts 14cm a year away from the sun. Over a billion years that's pretty far.

We are also the Sun too.

it took me a second to feel out what Parto was talking about up there, when I read that link about how anti Sun Aquarius is. and I laughed and laughed and wanted to say...Say that to my face and I will show you how much Sun I got, because the idea that each human being has the nuclear energy of the Sun inside our bodies at a micro scale is scientifically proven, male female cat snake tree algae bacteria, all powerhouses of creative energy akin to the sun.

[Parto]

Well, of course you have a lot of Sun, since it squares your Moon.

We all are constituted by all the astrological planets, but they're wired in different ways and amounts for everyone. Moon and Sun, of course, are special, luminaries. But there's individual distinction even with them.

[Veronica]

Well, of course you have a lot of Sun, since it squares your Moon.

We all are constituted by all the astrological planets, but they're wired in different ways and amounts for everyone. Moon and Sun, of course, are special, luminaries. But there's individual distinction even with them.

Do you really feel that I have a lot of Sun, since it Squares my Moon?

It would seem to imply that I have the need and capacity to Express Solar (and Lunar) traits more then some other people with out that or some other aspect.

I dont agree with that.

I have a lot of Sun, because that is the very nature of the Sun itself. to be a whole hell of a lot...heat weight gravity potential light all in one.

I can feel that burning life force in every cell in my body, and even in the cells of the "not me" organisms that live in my body that I host. (ie gut bacteria, worms, parasites and other microbes....my human cellular matter composed only around 10 percent of my total mass...the other 90 percentish of our mass are bacteria and things like parasites)

I have a lot of qualities that are considered Solar since I get up everyday and work and burn and go and do and be. I am a bundle of sunshine and happiness because that is the normal response to being alive.

and so can anyone with any chart, if they can just get out of their own way.

[Jim Eshelman]

Do you really feel that I have a lot of Sun, since it Squares my Moon?

Speaking for myself and not Parto, I think you have a lot of Sun because it's foreground, about 7° off MC; but I think you are much more lunar, since Moon is within 2° of Westpoint.

In a solar or lunar ingress (instead of a natal chart), since Moon acts practically like a different angle, Moon-Sun aspects mean very strong solar activity; but in a nativity, where Moon and Sun both share comparably powerful roles, it's not one-sided: It's their interconnection and mutual relationship that is the issue.

It would seem to imply that I have the need and capacity to Express Solar (and Lunar) traits more then some other people with out that or some other aspect.

I dont agree with that.

I have a lot of Sun, because that is the very nature of the Sun itself.

If I'm reading you correctly, you seem to be discounting the astrological importance of Sun altogether. If so, we disagree on that: I find Sun to be one of the most powerful of astrological factors and its character when strong is at least as distinctive as any other planet's.

With Sun near MC, you are, for example, more solar than I am.

[Parto]

Ah, I missed her angular Moon and Sun since I only looked at the standard interpretation template in her chart's thread.

[Veronica]

Do you really feel that I have a lot of Sun, since it Squares my Moon?

Speaking for myself and not Parto, I think you have a lot of Sun because it's foreground, about 7° off MC; but I think you are much more lunar, since Moon is within 2° of Westpoint.

In a solar or lunar ingress (instead of a natal chart), since Moon acts practically like a different angle, Moon-Sun aspects mean very strong solar activity; but in a nativity, where Moon and Sun both share comparably powerful roles, it's not one-sided: It's their interconnection and mutual relationship that is the issue.

It would seem to imply that I have the need and capacity to Express Solar (and Lunar) traits more then some other people with out that or some other aspect.

I dont agree with that.

I have a lot of Sun, because that is the very nature of the Sun itself.

If I'm reading you correctly, you seem to be discounting the astrological importance of Sun altogether. If so, we disagree on that: I find Sun to be one of the most powerful of astrological factors and its character when strong is at least as distinctive as any other planet's.

With Sun near MC, you are, for example, more solar than I am.

ugh, I knew I wasn't finding the right words...

no Jim, I am not discounting the Sun in any which way at all, in fact I meant the very opposite of that!

in my mind, I look at the natal chart, which is a map of space and time from Earth. but if Earth goes round the sun, with the other planets, in a sublimely perfect balancing act it seems that a chart with sun at the center would be correct.

It just doesnt sit right with me that our Sun can be consider a Ruler or Dignity over Other Stars, at all.
In my world, I am a living star and all my knickknacks and patty whacks and loves and feelings and papers and food can all be sorted down and put into a Planetary family, my own orbs. and to imply that in some way, my very own nature dictates and contracts me as a solar being to have dominion over not just one star, but a whole constellation seems a kin to Galactic Slavery, and I want no part of that.

I believe part of the crux of the matter is that I also do not believe that the Sun is purely Masculine in Nature, and if anything is more true to the nature of women, and the Moon is much more Masculine.

[Jim Eshelman]

I believe part of the crux of the matter is that I also do not believe that the Sun is purely Masculine in Nature, and if anything is more true to the nature of women, and the Moon is much more Masculine.[/quote]
I'd be interested in hearing more about this. (It ties into a project I need to develop over the next 10 years or so.)

[Parto]

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[Veronica]

so....
how to express this delicately,

The Sun is a constant spewing burning hole.

it never stops. it never goes away. Its consistent. persistent.

Sounds like the women I know. working, going, creating, burning every single day. No matter what the weather. some would say, overbearing, pushy, self absorbed.
directly, the sun could be considered a big Anus. and I do know that women are more of an anus then men.

Men are misunderstood just like the moon is misunderstood. The men I know have the softest kindest nature at heart, they have no interest in making waves or causing trouble. They are Experts at conservation of energy and timing. Men are at the other spectrum in that they are like the mouth, lips and tongue.

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

Just happened onto this thread.
People tell you they are Leos more at this time of year because their birthdays are between July 23 and August 22, which is Tropical Leo. They are really Cancers, and Cancers looove being the Queens of the Universe, so they tend to announce it and try to use it to show how much more special they are than other people, which is such a Cancer trait.

[Veronica]

Just happened onto this thread.
People tell you they are Leos more at this time of year because their birthdays are between July 23 and August 22, which is Tropical Leo. They are really Cancers, and Cancers looove being the Queens of the Universe, so they tend to announce it and try to use it to show how much more special they are than other people, which is such a Cancer trait.

Queens of the Universe....
I see that phrase being used in many Women Oriented Self Help empowerment support groups, and have been encouraged at times to adopt it for my own use to help me through lifestyle hard times....
and I always thought about how much work a Queen actually has to do to keep the Kingdom operating smoothing, she had to be the Master/mistress of every single chore. My home now in all that it is, is a mini kingdom and I its queen and I make sure everything runs smoothly, and I am humbled each and every day how much more work just keeps coming, and trying to stay on it all is really too much for one person.
That's where I think these "Be your Own Queen. " individual empowerment movements fall flat though and it just doesnt work. The difference between a Queen of a country and of a home is People. A real Queen is a Queen because She is loved and trusted by other people who are working Alongside her, sharing and contributing . I as the Queen of this home, my own separate sovereignty (as espoused by by this trendy "Be your own Queen" movement) am a Queen because I am doing it all Alone, I am doing all the chores by myself, self isolated under the cultural pressure that to do so and live that way entitled me to call myself a queen.

Hmmmm.....well that trait had to find expression somewhere in the Zodiac, and considering how much I love and trust and value most all Cancers I know I can grok why. Somebody's got to wear the crown.