Saturn-Neptune xenophobia

[Jim Eshelman]

Nov 19, 2015

While under our current Saturn-Neptune influences - the very close square in space, which is foreground in Washington's current (flow-through) Liblunar - we can add the keyword xenophobia.

The House has overwhelmingly approved a bill to suspend the program that allows Syrian and Iraqi refugees into the U.S. until key national security agencies certify they don't pose a security risk. The vote was 289-137, with nearly 50 Democrats joining Republicans in favor of the bill

I was thumbing through Ebertin looking for traditional reference to this. Under negative psychological traits, it doesn't get more specific than "distrust, insecurity." But Ebertin gives as a positive expression of Saturn-Neptune, "readiness for sacrifice, taking care of others." The negative expression of this would be something like, "willingness to sacrifice others, unwillingness to sacrifice to take care of others." We also get positive expressions like "cautiousness, foresight," which is surely the point of view of the very large number of Representatives supporting the bill.

BTW I actually don't have a final opinion on this matter. I have underlying philosophical biases against a bill like this (how could an Aquarian Moon not?) but, were I serving in Congress and responsible for this decision, I'd actually have to take the time to educate myself on a few things before voting. So I don't actually have a specific axe to grind on this. I'm just observing that the behavior is xenophobic.

LOL, Ebertin gives for sociological correspondences, "poor, sick, or depressed persons." That certainly could be broadened and, in any case (I'm speaking philosophically here) it certainly doesn't agree with the words on the Statue of Liberty.

[Jim Eshelman]

PS - It's interesting to roll this behavior set around in the mind alongside the number of large-scale financial crises that have been Saturn-Neptune dominated. There are not hard lines between the two groups. The behaviors aren't exactly the same, but they do overlap and interweave in terms of motivations, reactions, mental states, and more (maybe much more).

While Saturn and Neptune are individually extremely represented in financial crises, those that have specifically been marked by Saturn-Neptune aspects include:

Panic of 1819 (week).
Panic of 1857 for New York (month).
Vienna Panic of 1873 (month).
Panic of 1873 for New York (quarter, day) & Washington (day).

Generally, we only are able to track this behavior for large, rough categories of events, such as shooting massacres, horrendous-scale natural disasters (earthquakes, hurricanes), and other large categories of grief and loss. I thought it useful and interesting to see some of the more nuanced expressions of an aspect work its way through current events.

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I was wondering why this Holiday season did not feel like previous Holidays; I guess we have Saturn/Neptune to thank for this humbug spirit.

[Jim Eshelman]

I was wondering why this Holiday season did not feel like previous Holidays; I guess we have Saturn/Neptune to thank for this humbug spirit.

Yes. Of course, it could be this, too:

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Yes, a most "sickening" Saturn-Neptune effect for DC.

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Do you think this aspect in individuals produces xenophobia?

[Jim Eshelman]

Do you think this aspect in individuals produces xenophobia?

Great question. I hadn't noticed it, so I pulled up a list of people with Saturn-Neptune conjunctions, oppositions, and squares within 5° from Solar Fire.

Though I think it could do this in particular cases (particular chart contexts in the right cultural or upbringing environment), it certainly isn't a general expression. For example, I see a lot of politicians, political leaders, cultural leaders in the list, and one thing that strikes me is that there are several leaders of cultural liberalism and, among the conservatives, they tend to be quite the opposite - consider Jeb Bush, who is so liberal on immigration that it gives him problems in his party. Rubio is the same way when he isn't campaigning against Bush

For "yes," we could site Heinrich Himmler.

For "no," can site Hugh Hefner, Pope Francis, Benazir Bhutto, Dalai Lama, Jeb Bush, John McCain, Marco Rubio, Harper Lee, Abraham Lincoln. There's a lot of racial, ethnic, and cultural liberalism there!