Concern for my wife's 2021 SSR

[SteveS]

Analyzing over 35 years of Sidereal Solar Returns (SSR) for my wife Gayle, her Oct 2021 SSR has me most concerned. The first Red Flag is a partile Moon-Saturn 90. Afflicted SSR Moons to Saturn increases the probability of health problems as taught by Jim’s book “Interpreting Solar Returns”, but does not mean 100% chance of health problems. Even more worrisome, is her Direct Midpoint of SSR Moon/Saturn =SSR Neptune partile conjunct (0,10) her SSR DSC. And this very potent placed angular SSR Neptune squares her Natal Mars 24,01 Scorpio. Note: This SSR calculates a squared Circle with the angles partile 90. Correcting her Natal Mars for Precession, I think her SSR Neptune calculates a partile adjacent 90 Paran. This produces a very rare, most potent themed Mars-Neptune Paran. If there is to be a health crises in my wife’s life, I have asked Jim to do some relocating work in order to negate this Mars-Neptune Paran, seeking to relocate her SSR for a benefic on or square her SSR angle. Her Solar Arc MC will exact 180 her Natal Mars for her 2021 solar year. This Solar Arc produces a double whammy of very important Mars symbolism in my wife’s life with her precession corrected Natal Mars falling on SSR IC in Springville.

Known health issues in my wife’s life: She needs a knee replacement and is trying to schedule this operation. Since Mars Neptune symbolism on a biological level has a lot to do with infections, if her knee replacement operation falls in her 2021 solar year, we will need to take extra precautions against wound infections. She is highly allergic to certain foods and twice in her life has had life threatening allergic reactions. She has to always have epinephrine pens for quick self-injections in case of severe allergic reactions. Since Mars-Neptune biologically has a lot to do with toxins entering the body, this SSR increases % for harmful toxins entering her body. Her SSR Moon is in Aries. According to Fagan’s Egyptian system of signs ruling body parts, Aries has to with the uterus in a woman’s body—so extra precaution is necessary during her 2021 solar year for this body part, maybe also the bowels.

Gayle’s 2021 SSR: https://ibb.co/vjHPp4C

[SteveS]

The most intelligent astrological book I have read in my 38 years of studying Astrology is Jim’s book “Interpreting Solar Returns”, and I have read dozens of Astrology books. Jim writes from this book:

Natal planets signify the ingrained basic life pattern of an individual. As they come to the foreground in a Solar Return, these intrinsic factors are emphasized. Natal planets conjunct Solunar angles essentially show how an individual is reacting personally to the foreground transiting planets which dominate the Solunar. Even more so than with prominent foreground transiting bodies, it is very important to observe what aspects a foreground natal planet makes. These condition its operation. Configurations with other natal planets reveal any complex aspect system in the geniture—which is to say, any complex character structure in the individual’s psyche—that is being focused through the angular planet. Dynamic aspect transits it receives will indicate the type of dynamic interaction with the environment which will bring the foreground natal planet into play.

I want to demonstrate how important Jim’s words are pertaining to my wife’s Natal Mars conjunct her 2021 SSR IC, particularly with Jim’s words: “Configurations with other natal planets”, in other words a careful analysis of the foreground natal planet with its natal aspect structures, if any. This provides for me a major clue to how my wife will react to her very dynamic 2021 SSR. As far as I am concerned, if Jim could teach his SSR wisdom with a college class, his classes would be booked solid (sold out). As long as his students were educated in the use of Solar Fire, his class would probably become the most important class in an entire University. To be continued.

[Veronica]

Steve,
I'm very concerned that your wife is in so much pain that she is thinking of cutting open her body.......
It is so bothersome to me.
I didn't want to have a wisdom tooth pulled when it was growing crooked. I cried for it. I talked to it. I sent love to that tooth and thanked it for being a part of me. I have it in a pretty little bag with my children's baby teeth.
My parts are all so special to me, I dont take loosing them lightly.
My children's Placentas were saved and honored and planted in the earth with a sapling.

I dont know what to say but I am so very very sorry that she is at that point of pain that she is considering it. And personally I am aghast how non serious, easy peasy, no big deal the medical world treats this type of condition. That is major surgery. Not a walk in the park.

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

Knee and hip replacements, like cataract surgery, are true miracles of modern medicine. They are so common, it's nearly impossible to find an inexperienced or "bad" surgeon for these operations. Generally the patient is so miserable before the surgery they don't notice any pain afterward.

I had a patient in the SONYEA behavior ward for whom I literally risked my job to get an appointment with a hip surgeon. The surgeon said he'd never seen a worse case, she must be in constant and immense pain and he wanted to operate ASAP. All the SONYEA staff who had known her for years insisted she would refuse the recuperation care and ruin the replacement, attack hospital staff, need to be kept sedated for several days and generally prove what a huge mistake this surgery would be. They were so negative, the surgeon agreed to do both hips at once "because he'd never get another chance."
M had the operation, and I stayed with her overnight. She slept through the night for the first time since I'd known her. When she woke up, she was all smiles. She cooperated with every bit of her treatment plan except for picking up her walker and running with it. (Not uncommon in older people in the best of circumstances.)
She healed perfectly, and became one of the most delightful people in SONYEA. She was able to visit with her family for the first time in 60 years, and her sister's children moved her in with them. They had been terrified of her for years. Her surgeon wrote her up for some journal, but he was famous anyway.

The next hip replacement surgery was just as hard to get through staff, as was the cataract surgery. Both turned out fabulously (imagine being able to see for the first time at 62.) My father was thrilled with his, and I am really glad I had mine. I wouldn't wait till my cataracts were bad enough to do, which was the right thing to do, at least for me.

My grandmother lost the sight in one eye because she couldn't do the drops but my aunt thought she could, and she would have had it done again.

A cousin of mine had knee replacement surgery in college. She's 75 now and has had her knees redone three times and would go for a fourth without a second thought.

Veronica, it's fine you don't want surgery for anything, but please don't suggest other people should also avoid it. Note, hips, knees and eyes all have to do with mobility. When your mobility is compromised, you may change your mind about surgery. Besides, who wants a broken knee joint instead of a working one?

[Jim Eshelman]

Steve,

Gayle's next SSR occurs October 21, 2021, 4:00:32 AM CDT, and, as you noted, for Springville has the following:

r Saturn on Asc -7°01'
t Neptune on Dsc -0°11'
-----------------------------
r Mars on IC +0°39'
t Venus on IC +4°59'

t Moon-Saturn sq. 0°22'
t Neptune sq. r Mars 0°50' mundo

Other partile
t Pluto-Eris sq. 0°10'
-- t Mars-Eris op. 0°21'
-- t Mars-Pluto sq. 0°32'
t Mercury sq. r Uranus 0°20'
t Venus op. r Eris 0°51' mundo

I think we all agree that we should help her have a different SSR if possible.

[Jim Eshelman]

Since you live near the eastern edge of the U.S., the easiest way to get Neptune-Mars farthest from the angles is to go west; that is, to move from the angles toward the cadent cusps and see what we run into. Going only a small way brings transiting Venus to an angle; going further brings either transiting or natal Jupiter to an angle (and maybe there is a way to do both). About the time transiting Jupiter is angular, her Pluto is on an opposite angle.

SSR Venus is on IC on a line from mid-Louisiana due north to western Wisconsin. For example, it passes just outside Little Rock. It squares Asc on a line that starts in mid-Louisiana and arcs northwest a bit, passing a little east of Kansas City, for example.

Transiting Jupiter sets along the California West Coast. For example, it passes right through San Francisco and through some other areas below Monterrey. Taking San Francisco as a reference point, transiting Jupiter is 0°11' from Dsc and Uranus 1°46' from MC: They're in 1°57' mundane square. It's quite a chart! Natal planets then have wider angles: Natal Jupiter 6°27' above Dsc, natal Pluto 4°21' above Asc (which adds importance to transiting Jupiter opposite natal Pluto 1°44'). This sounds pretty good to me!

But wait, there's more!

Jupiter squares MC through... Las Vegas.

For the central coordinates of Las Vegas, transiting Jupiter is 0°06' from square MC. No other transiting planets are foreground (Uranus by a whisper, but I'm inclined not to give it attention). Plus - I said I'd try to get two Jupiters for her and I did! - natal Jupiter is 1°05' above Dsc. (It would get closer if she went further north.) Natal Moon is 7° above. Natal Pluto is barely foreground (which does give him a mundane square to Uranus, both almost 10° from angles), so I suppose the Jupiter transit to natal Pluto still has some clout.

If you pick a place from these, I'll be happy to fine tune it. Here, though, is the information for experimentation: SSR Jupiter is 27°18' Capricorn, the Las Vegas MC is 27°24' Aries, so the contact is perfect 0°06' west of Las Vegas, or about 115W14. At the latitude of Vegas, her Jupiter sets at 3°10' Aquarius - less than half a degree earlier than its longitude - and, while this would change with latitude, you can use that as a rough estimate and try to find a place with about that position on Descendant. But you'd have to go to about 40N to get that, which is NE Nevada. You might just want to stick with Vegas.

[SteveS]

Thanks everyone for your feedback. I am concerned my wife may face a heath crises with her Natal Mars in her 6th house of “health”, combined with her Natal Mars on her SSR IC paran to her SSR Neptune, and her SSR Moon partile 90 her SSR Saturn =her SSR DSC. Her Solar Arc MC exact 180 her Natal Mars during her 2021 solar year is obviously lighting-up her Natal Mars. Her main Natal Signature involves her Natal Mars with a partile direct midpoint of Mars/Pluto=Mercury-Nadir, with these planets in conventional aspects. Ebertin says about Mars/Pluto=Mercury:

Tendency to overwork the nerves. Excessive nervous irritation.

Ebertin above words nails a main psychological life theme of her Psyche. I hope this main psychological life theme does not manifest with a health crises. There is no worse nervous situation than a health crises. A special thanks to you Jim for your special talent for relocating SSR’s to help gain benefic influences. For sure, we re-locate her SSR, probably to Vegas for some recreational entertainment. I like that double whammy of her Vegas angular SSR and Natal Jupiter! If she does face a health crises, these two Jupiter’s will definitely aid with recovery.

[Veronica]

"Veronica, it's fine you don't want surgery for anything, but please don't suggest other people should also avoid it."

I had my tooth pulled.
I had my foot cut up and bones smashed and fused.
I didn't want to but it was necessary for my greater good.
And you might think I'm looney or stupid but I did talk to my cells and bones before the procedure and I grieved for them and then said goodbye. That is the distinction and that is the best way to let go of things, with love.

I shared how sad it was for me to learn that parts of my body, parts I loved and had been important and valuable were not good, how it confused me and scared me.

Go ahead and do what is needed by all means.
But dont take it lightly. Dont throw your body parts out in the trash like they were never valuable or important.

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

Yeah. All that. And if your parts are hurting you or putting you in danger, do what's needed. I think we're agreeing again.

I used to keep any teeth that were removed. But now they're called a "bio-hazzard" and disposed of. Even when I ask how they could be a bio-hazzard to me.

[Jim Eshelman]

A special thanks to you Jim for your special talent for relocating SSR’s to help gain benefic influences. For sure, we re-locate her SSR, probably to Vegas for some recreational entertainment. I like that double whammy of her Vegas angular SSR and Natal Jupiter! If she does face a health crises, these two Jupiter’s will definitely aid with recovery.

You're welcome

On another point I can perhaps relax you a bit:

I am concerned my wife may face a heath crises with her Natal Mars in her 6th house of “health”, combined with her Natal Mars on her SSR IC paran to her SSR Neptune, and her SSR Moon partile 90 her SSR Saturn =her SSR DSC.

While houses remain controversial among Siderealists, I'm inclined to think they are of subtle value; but I strongly question the health attribute of the 6th house.

To be more specific, I think background aspects in particular - regardless of the house - have a greater chance of emerging as health issues, but I question that this is a distinctive attribute of the 6th. I think the work and service attributes are more descriptive - how one distinguishes oneself from others by being useful and productive, for example. There does seem to be a broader self-care issue (my theory of 6th being that, having just fallen below the horizon, planets remain habituated to "it has to be about everyone else" but rightfully should be directed to distinguishing and attending to oneself) but no more of a per se health problem than anything else in the background.

Furthermore, none of the existing health problems you mention for her fit the symbolism of Mars in Scorpio. For example, a knee replacement would be a Cancer (or Cancer-Capricorn) issue, so more likely related to Jupiter's transit opposite her Pluto (becoming somehow personally significant, rather than just fitting everybody born near her). Allergies are a concern because of the specific poisoning Neptune-Mars angular transit (IF her SSR occurs at home), but are usually Mercury or (sometimes) Neptune: e.g., people with close Mercury-Neptune aspects are hyper-responsive to sensory impressions and environmental impact (hers is mere minutes from her Nadir).

One more thing... not to be morbid... Steve, we should also look at her SSR in terms of what's happening in her chart. How does your next year look? You've probably already considered that some of the key things in her chart could be interpreted as losing someone close to her rather than her own physical health.

[SteveS]

Jim wrote:

While houses remain controversial among Siderealists, I'm inclined to think they are of subtle value; but I strongly question the health attribute of the 6th house.

I understand Jim. While living with my wife for 50 years, she has had screws put into one of her angles, one of her knees, and one of her arms from broken bones with 3 separate freak accidents. I can read the astrological symbolism from this with her 1,34 120 to her Natal Pluto (stand-alone) and or a 6th house Mars afflicting her health. This 6th house Mars is not an issue with me if a wrong or right read, but high probability her Natal Mars is involved with these freak accidents.
Jim wrote:

You've probably already considered that some of the key things in her chart could be interpreted as losing someone close to her rather than her own physical health.

Indeed! In her immediate environment now, she is caring (service) part time for a dear 88 year old friend who is like a second mother to her and is in very poor health. In her life, she has cared (service) in the past with two close friends and was at their bedside when they died of cancer. For sure, her Mars-Pluto 120 has beat her-up through her health (freak accidents) and service to other close friends in her life, so you can see why I am concerned somewhat with her Natal Mars being on her SSR IC being in Paran with SSR Neptune, but with your relocating help---we are going to make this Paran go away .

Another SSR factor--during her solar year she receives an exact conjunction of p SSR Moon to her SSR Uranus. This could time the worst of her SSR. I need to look all her SLR's/DSLR's for her 2021 solar year.

[Jim Eshelman]

In November, she has a progressed Moon-Saturn conjunction, then another six months later.

There is a certain protection, perhaps, from progressed Jupiter's long-term conjunction with her Moon, but she does have progressed Sun opposing natal Uranus within the year. How did she respond to progressed Sun opposite progressed Uranus about a year ago?

The one threat I see is that solar arc MC opposes her Mars (also exact in November like the progressed Moon-Saturn). And her November 12 SLR has Mercury-Mars at MC opposite Uranus and square Saturn- Mars Saturn closest.) Obviously precautions are warranted (or deciding to intentionally schedule something fitting, like a November knee replacement - that might be the best move).

[SteveS]

Jim asked:

How did she respond to progressed Sun opposite progressed Uranus about a year ago?

She had a bucket list dream trip planned with a good friend which was cancelled/upset by Covid.
Jim wrote:

The one threat I see is that solar arc MC opposes her Mars (also exact in November like the progressed Moon-Saturn). And her November 12 SLR has Mercury-Mars at MC opposite Uranus and square Saturn- Mars Saturn closest.) Obviously precautions are warranted…

Indeed Jim, red flags are flying.

[SteveS]

The first red flag. My wife's doctor has diagnosed her with a severe respiratory infection. Symptoms started this past Tuesday, tested negative for Covid. I have a good friend in NC who told me he and his wife both had this condition months ago and the same meds did no good, took em two months to outlive their severe respiratory infection. Their Doctor told em this respiratory infection is happening across the Country. This, I think has high % of setting my wife's stage for her upcoming malefic SSR . Using Jim's criteria for "outstanding incident" SSR's, my wife's SSR classified as a Mars-Neptune "outstanding incident" backed by a class 1 Moon-Saturn aspect, definitely not good for health.

[Jim Eshelman]

I hope she gets better soon. - I've seen a lot of people report a version of the common cold over the last month. (The masking and distance that kept everybody from even ordinary bugs for the last year and a half is not being practiced as much, so - guess what - people are getting the bugs.)

Her birthday is far enough away, hopefully this won't interfere with the Vegas trip.

[SteveS]

Jim wrote:

Her birthday is far enough away, hopefully this won't interfere with the Vegas trip.

That's what I am hoping Jim. She definitely understands the importance of relocation charts. She had a short trip planned this week-end but her doc confined her to bed. I helping her the best I can by preparing healthy food for her.

[mikestar13]

I know how this feels, brother. Terry who I love a great deal more than my life is a chronic pain sufferer. Sever rheumatoid arthritis combined with bone necrosis in her hips -- all capable of a fair degree of surgical amelioration if Medi-Cal would pay for it (cost out of pocket is so far beyond our means it just is not possible). I've seen what can happen on days when her pain is bad: the sweet, wonderful, intelligent, funny lady I feel in love with recedes into the shadows and very angry, confrontational person comes out. Worse, the same doctors who have had her on morphine for a decade instead of actually addressing addressing the cause of pain tend to dismiss her concerns as "drug-seeking behavior" and mostly don't even consider she has real physical potentially remediable causes for her pain.

Steve, I sincerely pray your beloved wife never has to go thru anything like this, and the she swiftly finds all the remediation she needs.

[SteveS]

Thanks Mike, I kinda understand what you are going through with Terry, I had to go through similar but not as severe as Terry’s pain issues with my Mother. Love can become a cruel matter to us who has to see the suffering of someone we love. My biggest concern for Gayle is she has had phenomena twice in her life and nearly died from it while in college. She has always had a weak respiratory system susceptible to infections. The transiting adjacent paran of her SSR Neptune to her r Mars in her next SSR has me very concerned for this location, got to move her off this location. Ebertin from COSI for Mars-Neptune:

Principle: Weakness.

Obviously her immune system is weaken.

Biological Correspondence: “Activity paralyzed.” Susceptibility to epidemic infections, consequences or results of an infection (the basic formula for the normal and predictable course of diseases = diseases of infection). The discharge of pus.

And, "time" has not arrived yet for her next SSR, very worrisome for me, may be that r Saturn-Pluto on my SSR MC, only “time” knows for sure.

[SteveS]

Update:
My wife is doing much better with her Respiratory Virus Infection which slammed her in bed for a week. The meds definitely helped her condition. From what I hear from our doctors, this Respiratory Virus in widespread across the country. I have friends (husband & wife) in NC who had to take 3 rounds of the same meds my wife took for her Virus, before they finally killed-off the Virus in their bodies. On Oct 23 I have a co-angular Mars-Saturn Demi-Lunar in Springville, but will be in a different location when this demi sets up. I will be back in Springville soon after this demi occurs with the other location, so I will get a chance to see any possible Mars-Saturn effects for my health. It may be I catch this Virus with all my traveling plans in Oct--so I am taking all the necessary precautions.

[Jim Eshelman]

Steve, what did you end up doing for her birthday?

[SteveS]

Western Louisiana for a Venus Line. So far--so good.

[SteveS]

Its been a malefic Mars-Neptune solar year for Gayle. A very painful foot with an upcoming operation, and now with major health problems for her best friend DEE who may die soon, or may have to be commited into a mental institution.

[Jim Eshelman]

What was the exact SSR location, Steve?

[SteveS]

Saint Francisville, LA with SSR Venis on her SSR IC Jim. She said it was the most enjoyable social birthday trip ever. I have always beleived relocating our SSRs can really bring out those planets experienced as Solar Quotidian Angles. Before we relocated her SSR I feared for her life, but as the Universe had already planned for me with my SSR--it was my best friend that was transported (beamed-up) to the other side.

[Jim Eshelman]

Saint Francisville, LA with SSR Venus on her SSR IC Jim. She said it was the most enjoyable social birthday trip ever. I have always beleived relocating our SSRs can really bring out those planets experienced as Solar Quotidian Angles. Before we relocated her SSR I feared for her life, but as the Universe had already planned for me with my SSR--it was my best friend that was transported (beamed-up) to the other side.

Yes, it was definitely the right move IMO to have her birthday in a better area. You were rightly concerned.

Transiting Venus was 0°36' from IC, easily the strongest thing in the chart. I don't think I could have done much better. - To do a little better, when I'm trying to overcome strong negatives by going to where I have benefics, I always try to get it the fewest minutes from the angle possible. I've been able to get it almost to the minute several times, and like an orb of under 5' (which makes allowance for astrological software being a little wrong and still gives me under 10'). In this case, TMSA (which has a newer ephemeris and calculating routines than Solar Fire) differs from SF by 19 seconds in timing her SSR. Not much, right? But it does add a 0°05' to the angles when you're trying to do precision work. - These, for relocating a return chart, I calculate it in both SF and TMSA then edit the SF chart to match the time from TMSA. Then I can use the SF map features. - You didn't have anyway of knowing this at the time, but Lafayette, LA put Venus 0°00' from IC.

But half a degree is still great work!

I think what she can't get away from is that Moon-Saturn square. It's 0°22' wide - essentially exact - and slightly closer mundanely (0°15'). I don't think those 0°07' make a difference: It was going to be an emotionally brutal year or affect her health in some adverse fashion.

As you know, Springville also had Neptune 0°07' from Descendant, natal Mars 0°43' from IC, and some natal Saturn - with the Neptune mundane square to her Mars 0°50'. Adding the Moon-Saturn: Yes, I'd have feared for her life as well.

In Louisiana she still had the Neptune-Mars transit (0°52') and it was still foreground - but about 4° off the angle and overpowered by transiting Venus super-strong. The final chart looked like this:

t Neptune on Dsc -4°38'
r Mars on IC -3°47'
-----------------------------
t Venus on IC +0°36'

t Moon-Saturn sq 0°15' M
t Neptune sq r Mars 0°52' M

Not perfect, but I'd take it in a second over the Springville chart.

It does, however, show (primarily from Moon-Saturn) so much that has happened to her this year. I'm sorry for her deep unhappiness.

[SteveS]

Jim wrote:

You didn't have anyway of knowing this at the time, but Lafayette, LA put Venus 0°00' from IC. But half a degree is still great work!

Without knowing beforehand, Saint Francisville I think was perfect for her/us in so many different ways, kinda hard to explain, but a-lot of looking into each other eyes when we ran across certain things both knowing we were at a unique right Venus place at the right time for her only. I could feel what she was feeling in a knowing way and we knew this without us having to verbalize, only eye contact. She told me to thank you for suggesting western Louisiana. She said she felt on deep levels a strong peaceful easy feeling and told me on the way home---yup—that was a highly charged Venus environment that her own individual TIME allowed for her to experience. We had no idea it would be like this since it I was our first trip to Saint Francisville---it was magical understanding the way the universe can channel a planet’s energy deep into your soul raising goose bump on your neck. I had this same experience when I planned a birthday trip to Red Rocks with SSR Uranus on my IC, and sat down for the concert and all of a sudden realized I had walked into a highly charged Uranus Energy field with all the unexpected Uranus things that started happening around me---totally unexpected. I said WOW---we all need to be able to put Venus or Uranus on one of our SSR angles, but what I realized---I was experiencing my first Solar Quotidian angle hit with the chosen planet of my choice. It’s like actually shaking hands with a planet of your choice---it’s so frigging magical with the benefics—they are literally hugging you saying see'feel me I am here for you at this moment in time! Only Sidereal Astrology charting allows this magical relocation experience. Thank you for teaching this possible experience to me.
Jim wrote:
I

think what she can't get away from is that Moon-Saturn square. It's 0°22' wide - essentially exact - and slightly closer mundanely (0°15'). I don't think those 0°07' make a difference: It was going to be an emotionally brutal year or affect her health in some adverse fashion.

Yup
Jim wrote:

In Louisiana she still had the Neptune-Mars transit (0°52') and it was still foreground - but about 4° off the angle and overpowered by transiting Venus super-strong. Not perfect, but I'd take it in a second over the Springville chart.

You damn right Jim! We were able to move her off the Neptune-Mars transit Paran and that was my objective, but what I am trying to get everyone to understand is she was overwhelmed with Venus on her IC which actually became the first day of a SQ chart, completely stamping out any Mars-Neptune action while on a Venus SQ day. Only a serious Sidereal Astrologer who has this relocational experience truly understands the truth of this experience.

It does, however, show (primarily from Moon-Saturn) so much that has happened to her this year. I'm sorry for her deep unhappiness.

She tough Jim—she knows how to handle these tough things with her Aquarius Moon/Sun Libra, much better than me.

[Jim Eshelman]

Sounds like you guys found a new spot to share! Downright magical.

Perhaps the Eagles described it best:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjofshOBV5s

[SteveS]

Brings tears to my eyes Jim. We actually drove down to the banks of the mighty Mississippi River in Saint Francisville with a CD of the Eagles listening to this song. Spot on song Jim for this "peaceful" place in time that crossed our lives---thanks to you and your forum. You don't know how much I appreciate this forum being able to communicate a language of nature with like-minded people at such a great distances away. You have always been one of my most fortunate Jupiter-Node contacts.

[mikestar13]

One of my favorite songs also. "I found out a long time ago what a woman can do to your soul..." I know that for good and ill rather better than I know my own name. Love is all we know of heaven and all we need of hell.

[SteveS]

Mike wrote:

One of my favorite songs also. "I found out a long time ago what a woman can do to your soul..." I know that for good and ill rather better than I know my own name. Love is all we know of heaven and all we need of hell.

Indeed Mike. I never could see a-lot in my Natal WHY Gayle was so good to my soul. Maybe synastry and the Novien, could be my straight-up 9 harmonic chart compared to my Natal, but I firmly believe a-lot of knowledge has been lost with the Navamsa Chart pertaining to marriages and the planet Venus.

[mikestar13]

When I'm working on the Novien module for TMSA 1.1, make sure I have for your and Gayle's birth data, I'd like to use them for test data (and later for the synastry mofule module).

[SteveS]

Great Mike. You got my data. Gayle's 10/20/1950; 11:07 PM; Columbus, Georgia

[mikestar13]

Thanks, Steve.

[SteveS]

Reviewing the main incidents with my wife’s 2021 SSR: Without a doubt, the main Mars-Neptune incident from her 2021 SSR was the tormenting physical pain she endured with an acute case of ‘plantar fasciitis’. My wife traveled internationally with a trip which was booked out of her control more than a year ago, and her ‘plantar fasciitis’ greatly inhibited her with the things she wanted to do on this 10 day trip. She was well informed by me with my understanding of SSRs/SLRs that her 2021 Solar Year was a bad year to plan any major international trips, but like I said---the booking of this trip was planned and controlled by other people. The trip was originally booked 3 years ago—but Covid cancelled the original planned trip. Also, an “outstanding incident” Mars-Neptune SLR fell exactly on the time period she left for her trip, which was a huge “echo” of her Mars-Neptune 2021 SSR. The lesson to be learned as an astrologer: Beware at times when outside forces (other people) are planning major things for your life. Of course, as astrologers, we are well aware of these other main outside forces that at times plans things out for us in order for us to experience what is foretold in our Solunar & other astrological charts.