LBJ and the assasination

[Jim Eshelman]

With another JFK assassination anniversary come along this week, 58-year-old conversations are being restirred. One perennial curiosity is whether Vice President Lyndon Baines Johnson was implicated in the murder.

I've always thought Johnson's chart showed quite the opposite, but I haven't reviewed the charts in a long time. I thought I'd review them exactly as much as I could with the current 0.4 version of TMSA, which will calculate solar and lunar returns.

Johnson was born August 27, 1908, at "daybreak" on the family ranch at 30N14'31", 98W36'37". Cyril Fagan slightly polished the "daybreak" time to 5:44 AM, which is what I've always used.

Starting with transits, I immediately see something that I couldn't have seen in past years. One of his primary transits for the event was Jupiter conjunct natal Saturn within 0°05', generally recognized as some personal gain from a loss - pretty ordinary and accurate. I now see for the first time that Jupiter and Eris were in exact conjunction on LBJ's Saturn. I can't say for sure what this means, but it at least it adds a bit of mischief and chaos to the mix and makes it a more interesting transit!

15°35' Pisces - t Jupiter
15°40' Pisces - r Saturn
15°49' Pisces - t Eris

Transiting Uranus conjoined his Moon (0°32'), suggesting a serious, life-changing surprise. The only other worthwhile transit is Sun, which, if this birthtime is accurate or slightly early, puts Sun square his Ascendant, a mark of ascending to power.

From the transits, we mentally note that Sun is almost a square past natal Sun (his SSR was three months earlier) and Moon is five signs past natal Moon (he has an operative SLR but not demi).

[Jim Eshelman]

I don't know where Vice President Johnson was on his birthday that year. Did he stay in Washington? Or did he take the opportunity to go back to Texas? If the latter, then his SSR will resemble that for Dallas.

His SSR for Texas wasn't very impressive, though it did show high impact with natal Pluto 1°17' above Dsc. I think his SSR occurred in Washington, where we find the following details:

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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
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                           Transiting Planets                           
Me 07Vi07'18" 02S49 + 0°44' 180°07' 03S07 101°47' + 9°23' 350°25'  77% F
Ma 26Vi02'43" 00N02 + 0°39' 198°44' 07S54  93°44' - 7°59'   8°00'  83% F
Ju 24Pi39'50" 01S33 - 0°04'  18°01' 05N58 272°39' + 6°14' 186°14'  90% F
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                            Radical Planets                             
Ve 25Ge53'12" 04S06 + 0°47' 111°08' 17N53 163°35' +68°17' 276°26'  89% F
Sa 15Pi40'09" 02S37 - 0°03'  10°07' 01N31 274°08' - 2°42' 177°18'  98% F
Ur 19Sg45'05" 00S25 - 0°01' 285°14' 23S08 358°36' -74°14'  90°24' 100% F
Ne 22Ge52'10" 00S46 + 0°02' 108°26' 21N36 168°48' +72°26' 273°31'  97% F
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tMa op tJu 01°23'  96%                                                  
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tMa sq rVe 00°10' 100%                                                  
tJu sq rVe 00°11' 100% M                                                
tJu sq rNe 01°48'  94%                                                  
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rMo co rMe 00°54'  98%                                                  
rVe co rNe 02°54'  84% M                                                
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                     Non-Foreground Partile Aspects                     
                        tVe co rSu 00°24' 100%                          
                        tUr co rSu 00°57'  98% M                        
                        tPl co rMo 00°13' 100% M
                       tPl co rMe 00°30' 100% 

The most angular planets are natal planets: Natal Uranus exactly, natal Saturn-Neptune also close. The foreground transiting planets are wider but form an important aspect: Mars conjunct Jupiter (1°23').

The latter is typical of gaining great power, which is what happened. The stronger effect is from the natal planets, which show surprise so strong (Uranus 100% strength) that it bowls him over, followed by loss and confusion, i.e., grief.

You can read the aspects below. The most interesting to me is one that isn't foreground, t Pluto conjunct natal Moon in mundo 0°13'. Pluto also conjoins his Mercury. These, to me, show him being overwhelmed by events, almost uprooted by the events.

[Jim Eshelman]

His November 10 Sidereal Lunar Return for Dallas, however, was entirely transiting planets in play. (No natal planets were foreground.) Here is the horrific chart:

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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
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                           Transiting Planets                           
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Su 22Li52'11" 00N00 + 1°00' 224°38' 16S57 336°35' -72°57'  96°57'  95% F
Me 25Li59'09" 00S21 + 1°35' 227°40' 18S08 325°55' -72°49'  99°50'  76% F
Sa 22Cp32'33" 01S13 + 0°02' 319°37' 16S58 249°20' + 0°30' 180°32' 100% F
Ne 21Li13'34" 01N43 + 0°02' 223°30' 14S50 342°04' -71°17'  95°57'  99% F
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tSu co tMe 02°53'  84% M                                                
tSu sq tSa 00°20' 100%                                                  
tSu co tNe 00°59'  98% M                                                
tSa sq tNe 01°19'  97%

Saturn is 0°32' from Descendant! The next closest are Sun and Neptune. This trio of Sun, Saturn, and Neptune (plus some Mercury) then form close foreground aspects with Sun square Saturn being a mere 0°20' wide. Sun-Neptune is also partile, Saturn-Neptune nearly is.

This is not the chart of a triumphant victor who had just conquered a rival to ascend to power. It's the chart of a man in deep grief. The nature of the event is quite clear (except we might have thought it was his death or toppling). It may show not only overwhelming grief but also palpable fear (by any of various theories), but it does not show him as a participant or instigator to the crime.

Please notice that TMSA did most of the work for me

[SteveS]

[ODdOnLifeItself]

Thanks for the analysis...I can only say that its conclusion completely surprised me.

Using Starkman's rectification of Lyndon Johnson's chart (4:26:16 CST), I get such a different picture, that it's like night and day compared to what is written above, no matter which (normally completely reliable) methods with which I approach it...

[NOTE: TMSA won't run on my laptop for some reason, so I can't check it, but could you PLEASE check the same charts you used in your analysis, but using Starkman's rectification time???] (because it's bugging me that there is no real agreement between what the two of us are seeing, and I hope it can be attributed to the different charts we started with)

(all given meanings are within the realm of the normal meanings of the astrological factors involved, ie. no leap of faith necessary)

The best way I can write this is with the idea for ALL the meanings to be preferenced with "can mean many different things, but within the realm of the inherent meanings of the astrological factors, COULD mean ->")

* Transits

Node opposite Uranus 0° 14' (...meeting/plotting with radicals/overthrowers)
Neptune octile Node 0° 55' (...dissolution of unions, secret organizations, connections with swindlers, secret plotting)
Mars octile MC 0° 11' (...making arrangements, giving orders to others, agitated mind, violence against the boss)

* Progressions (only one two-factor progression within the normal allowed orb, note that slow-moving factors as valid in meaning AROUND and laying the background as much as for the specific event itself...)

Neptune octile Mars 0° 7' (...inability to carry out plans, destruction, secret/hidden actions/violence)

* Age Harmonics

AH Neptune octile AH MC 0° 10' (...following wrong ideas, falsehood, lying, emotional hysteria relating to the boss)
AH Saturn square AH Pluto 1° 18' (...interruption of some development, changes through separation)
AH Sun opposite AH Node 0° 38' (...connections with the public, witnessing something)
AH MC conjunct Natal Moon 0° 28' (...acting in accordance with one's emotional needs, attaining a position before the public)
AH Mars octile Natal Mercury 1° 13' (...hasty and energetic action, malice)
AH Jupiter square Natal Pluto 0° 2' (...fortunate change/development/transformation, over-the-top resourcefulness)

* Solar Arcs

SA Neptune conjunct Natal Mercury 0° 11' (...falsehood, lies, a secret plot/agreement)
SA Saturn square Natal Sun 0° 27' (...physical separations, turning points in the glory career, conflicts with authority, stopping presidents)

When looking at LBJ's chart compared to the USA chart (Marr rectification, always) one aspect stands out in high-relief against all others:

His Natal Uranus (radical/overthrow tendencies) is in the USA 8th (death) and directly opposite the USA Sun (the President) [Uranus (8th)-Sun, suddenly, explosively changing "Kings" through death!!!!]

All the astrology I've analyzed (for decades) relating to this event makes me think the CIA hatched a plot with LBJ as a key player, though both have a motive and for which both would gain. (LBJ's lifelong dream to be President, of which many associates have claimed LBJ would have done ANYTHING to achieve, and the CIA's installing a (CIA-friendly) stooge as the head of government (something we've seen them do around the world repeatedly, even going back to the Shah of Iran in 1953!))

This of course doesn't prove LBJ did it, but it also in no way suggests astrologically that he didn't...quite the contrary, most factors look like secret meetings/associations, hysterical emotions, and conflicts (several indicating violence) against his boss. Without some surprising revelations and hard evidence, it will likely never be proven one way or another.