My 5th Harmonic Natal Chart

[SteveS]

Jim, you know me pretty well. When you have time would you read rapidly my 5th Harmonic Natal Chart? Thanks

[Jim Eshelman]

Steve, I wouldn't read it for anyone unless they had certain kinds of "breakthrough" spiritual experiences, such as major kundalini phenomena or significant cosmic consciousness awakening that activates another stratum of the psyche; or, as part of a training program for someone moving in that direction.

Presuming one of those descriptions fit, there are only two aspects worth noting: You have a close Moon-Sun conjunction (which, among other things, suggests that the 5th is a significant harmonic for you) and a close Mercury-Uranus opposition. Of course (the whole purpose of this) simply discloses less-obvious aspects in your natal chart, your natal Moon-Sun quintile and your Mercury-Uranus tridecile (one of the 36° multiples or semi-quintile series).

The interpretation would be that the closer you move to deep cosmic awakening to yourself, the more Mercury-Uranus traits will manifest in you; and, furthermore, once an inner awakening starts, it can be furthered or deepened by developing the Mercury-Uranus side of your character. This, of course, includes your pursuit of astrology, in addition other Mercury-Uranus behaviors, such as: Independent thinker. Curiosity and investigative spirit. Mind unfettered by formality: solves problems and integrates data more intuitively. Rejects linearity, lacks rigor in learning. Many interests, diverse, often unusual (including astrology or occultism). Speech engages others’ attention, usually has something interesting to say; challenges convention or authority, dares to speak despite consequences. Gentle rebellious behavior (“bad boy”) seems rooted in, “Don’t tell me how to think.” Socially odd, but not unpopular for it.

[SteveS]

Jim, this morning I just read from a Chapter titled "Consciousness: The Number 5 and the 5th Harmonic" and then calculated for the first time in my life my 5th Harmonic Chart. I was floored and awaken to a strong resonance to their aspects. Got to run and do errands but will try to quote some more from this chapter.

Jim wrote:

Steve, I wouldn't read it for anyone unless they had certain kinds of "breakthrough" spiritual experiences, such as major kundalini phenomena or significant cosmic consciousness awakening that activates another stratum of the psyche; or, as part of a training program for someone moving in that direction.

This is most interesting and related to the strong inner experience I had this morning when I computed my 5th Harmonic. More later and hope you enlighten me more with your knowledge from your quoted words above.

[SteveS]

Has any member on this forum read Chhapter 12 "Consciousness: The Number 5 and the 5th Harmonic" by Charles Harvey from the book " Working with Astrology, The Psychology of Harmonics"?

[SteveS]

Jim, at this point in my life looking back over my 74 years of life, my consciousness resonates just as much, if not more, to my 5th harmonic chart as to my 1st harmonic chart. Something else puzzles me: Why does my 5H and 7H compute the same partile 120 Mars-Jupiter aspect as my 1H? And why does my 5H compute the same degree for my 1H Mars? I don't understand the math of this repeating aspect stuff with my Mars 120 Jupiter.

[Jim Eshelman]

Jim, at this point in my life looking back over my 74 years of life, my consciousness resonates just as much, if not more, to my 5th harmonic chart as to my 1st harmonic chart. Something else puzzles me: Why does my 5H and 7H compute the same partile 120 Mars-Jupiter aspect as my 1H? And why does my 5H compute the same degree for my 1H Mars? I don't understand the math of this repeating aspect stuff with my Mars 120 Jupiter.

Your Mars-Jupiter is so close that it will persist in most harmonics. A natal trine in the 5th harmonic (that is, everything multiplied by 5) will become 120° x 5 = a whole circle plus two trines - which gives you a new trine (but with five times the orb as in the natal). A 7th harmonic makes the 120° difference 7 x 120° = two complete circles (6 x120°) plus another trine - but with seven times the orb as in the natal.

But don't get hung up on that aspect. I doubt anything matters in these charts except conjunctions, oppositions, and squares. This probably isn't a real (objective) chart but, rather, just a way to see quintile series aspects. (At least, we don't know it to be more than an aspectarian.) All conjunctions in the 5th are either quintiles or biquintiles (72° of 144°) in the natal; all oppositions are odd multiples of 36°; and all squares are odd multiples of 18°.

[SteveS]

Jim wrote:

I doubt anything matters in these charts except conjunctions, oppositions, and squares.

I totally agree now that I understand better.

(At least, we don't know it to be more than an aspectarian.) All conjunctions in the 5th are either quintiles or biquintiles (72° of 144°) in the natal; all oppositions are odd multiples of 36°; and all squares are odd multiples of 18°.

This interest me! Correct me if I am wrong, but we are dealing here with the geometry of the Pentagram—correct? This becomes even more interesting to me thinking back on some of the Pythagoras lore with the Pentagram. It seems that I read somewhere all DNA is made-up with fives as core number with all DNA. Could it be the partile/close 0,90,180 aspects in a 5H could really be a key for astrologers to understand and focus more on???

Jim, I note with your 5H your Jup/Ur cnj repeats but with one distinguishing aspect difference—it squares your 5H Moon. How do you interpret this for your consciousness? I guess it means your Jup/Ur cnj becomes more personalized with your 5H?

[Jim Eshelman]

Correct me if I am wrong, but we are dealing here with the geometry of the Pentagram—correct?

Correct.

Could it be the partile/close 0,90,180 aspects in a 5H could really be a key for astrologers to understand and focus more on???

There is clearly more to learn. My working theory on them (based on what I saw when first digging in 40 years ago, and sone stuff since) is that for maybe 95% of people we need to ignore it. Nonetheless, you could add the quintile series aspects to your SF aspectarian (with 1/5 the orb you would use for a conjunction) and see what you see.

Jim, I note with your 5H your Jup/Ur cnj repeats but with one distinguishing aspect difference—it squares your 5H Moon. How do you interpret this for your consciousness? I guess it means your Jup/Ur cnj becomes more personalized with your 5H?

I have four aspects in this series worth noting: Moon square Jupiter, Moon square Uranus, Mercury conjunct Mars, and Saturn conjunct Pluto. That is (to get out of the harmonic chart language), in my birth chart, I have Mercury-Mars and Saturn-Pluto quintiles and Moon-Jupiter and Moon-Uranus vigintiles.

How I interpret these is the deeper I got into my spiritual work, with key experiences unlocking layers of my psyche, these four aspects became increasingly stronger realities for me. (Not all of the traits are good. "Spiritual" doesn't necessarily mean "nicer," just that more layers of the psyche are unlocked. There's no morality in it, so some of these "unfolding" with Mercury-Mars and Saturn-Pluto meant becoming harsher and even brutal sometimes.)

[Jim Eshelman]

BTW, Steve, my favorite example of this - the example that really drove home that awakened didn't mean nice - is Adolf Hitler. Run his 5th harmonic chart and, just to make it easy, flip over to the 90° dial. Immediately, you'll see not only the psychologically brutal Venus-Mars-Pluto clump but a close Moon-Neptune joined to Mercury-Saturn. Seeing Hitler's Moon-Saturn-Neptune plus Venus-Mars-Pluto snapped my eyes open: The more awakened he became, the more he opened to the cosmos pouring energy through him, the crazier and more brutal he became, the more deranged his mind. It's stunning every time I see it.

[Jim Eshelman]

BTW, here's the main thread where this was introduced to the forum and has extensive examples. (The Joan of Arc example is out of date because of better tracking/calculating what we now know is AA birth data.)

https://solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=301

[SteveS]

Jim wrote:

…just that more layers of the psyche are unlocked.

Exactly, I clearly understand. From my cultural background (intellectual wasteland), I never could understand why my Psychic spent so much mental energy studying/learning astrology, but WOW, with that partile Mercury 180 to Uranus in my 5H---BINGO!
Jim wrote:

BTW, Steve, my favorite example of this - the example that really drove home that awakened didn't mean nice - is Adolf Hitler. Run his 5th harmonic chart and, just to make it easy, flip over to the 90° dial. Immediately, you'll see not only the psychologically brutal Venus-Mars-Pluto clump but a close Moon-Neptune joined to Mercury-Saturn. Seeing Hitler's Moon-Saturn-Neptune plus Venus-Mars-Pluto snapped my eyes open: The more awakened he became, the more he opened to the cosmos pouring energy through him, the crazier and more brutal he became, the more deranged his mind. It's stunning every time I see it.

This is absolutely amazing Jim, I understand why this 5H of Hitler “stunned” you, me too now that I have looked at his 5H
Jim wrote:

BTW, here's the main thread where this was introduced to the forum and has extensive examples.

I will study em, thanks.