My birth chart (Alexi)

[Alexi]

Hello everyone,

According to my birth certificate, I was born June 02, 1994, 00:50 AM, Bacau, Romania.

I've been studying sidereal and Vedic astrology for a while but just found about the forum here and read the interpretations!

Curious of what you can see and general opinion about my chart.

Thank you!

[Jim Eshelman]

Greetings, Alexi. Welcome to Solunars.

Later today, as I have time, I'll compile some notes on your chart. What I first notice is that your chart has some important things in common with that of one of the most important figures in the history of Sidereal Astrology, Donald A. Bradley (who wrote under the pen name "Garth Allen"). Like Bradley, you have Sun in Taurus and Moon in Aquarius; and your two planets nearest angles are Moon and Uranus. (However, your Moon and Uranus angularities are wide: I probably won't dwell on them much.) - There are, of course, differences as well.

Details to follow, of course.

Meanwhile, if you are interested in a summary of Sidereal Astrology, especially in a form that will allow easy clarification of how it resembles or is different from what you have studied before, you may find this thread useful: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2259

What I'll post below won't be an interpretation as such, but rather the raw notes for one - which we can then discuss as you like.

[mikestar13]

I'm already writing one, nearly finished, based on your template, Jim. Will post after breakfast.

[Jim Eshelman]

I'm already writing one, nearly finished, based on your template, Jim. Will post after breakfast.

I'm nearly done, just want to balance and tweak it a bit. Alexi, there are many important mundane aspects, including close ones, that may surprise you a bit.

Mike, as an aside to you - I chuckled happily to see how Moon and Saturn were deployed next to each other in TMSA. I think you probably already know what I'm talking about.

[mikestar13]

This is your birth chart:

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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
Mo 24Aq54'12" 04N45 +12°12' 348°33' 00N15  79°27' - 9°33'   9°43'  76% F
Su 16Ta29'34" 00N00 + 0°57'  69°36' 22N07 354°47' -21°18' 103°07'  70%  
Me 09Ge20'56" 01N28 + 0°48'  94°25' 24N50 332°06' -13°43' 152°28'   2% B
Ve 19Ge29'32" 01N49 + 1°11' 105°35' 24N30 322°30' - 9°52' 164°03'  45%  
Ma 12Ar02'06" 00S44 + 0°45'  34°37' 13N03  32°10' -24°48'  40°57'  23% B
Ju 11Li26'20" 01N19 - 0°05' 214°14' 12S19 212°51' +25°20' 221°07'  23% B
Sa 17Aq21'57" 01S41 + 0°02' 344°05' 08S36  88°57' -12°55'  12°55'  70%  
Ur 01Cp16'13" 00S31 - 0°01' 298°02' 21S28 131°00' + 6°36' 351°17'  81% F
Ne 28Sg19'27" 00N37 - 0°01' 294°42' 20S52 133°17' + 8°48' 348°00'  65%  
Pl 01Sc36'56" 14N23 - 0°02' 237°19' 05S19 188°54' +37°53' 258°45'  69%  
Er 23Pi42'39" 16S31 + 0°00'  23°13' 08S05  55°46' -38°01'  43°24'  18% B
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Su sq Sa 00°12'100% M     Mo tr Ve 05°25' 46%       Mo co Sa 07°32' 41% 
Su oc Ur 00°13' 99%       Mo oc Ju 01°32' 60%       Mo sx Ur 06°22' 26% 
Me sx Ma 02°41' 86%       Mo sx Ne 03°25' 78%       Mo tr Pl 06°43' 18% 
Me tr Ju 02°05' 92%       Ve sq Er 04°13' 66%       Su sx Er 07°13'  7% 
Ve tr Sa 02°08' 91%       Ma sx Sa 05°20' 47%       Ve sx Ma 07°27'  1% 
Ma op Ju 00°10'100% M     Ju tr Sa 05°56' 35%       Ve op Ne 08°50' 20% 
Ma co Er 02°27' 88% M     Sa oc Ur 01°06' 79%                           
Ju op Er 02°17' 90% M     Ne sq Er 04°37' 60%                           
Ur co Ne 02°57' 91%                                                     
Ur sx Pl 00°21'100%                                                     
Ne sq Pl 00°45' 99% M                                                   
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This post details the abbreviations used: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=3323&p=24847&hilit= ... ons#p24847.

I will use selections from Jim Eshelman's interpretation template to highlight some key points, with my own thoughts interspersed (in italics)

Uranus Foreground
Strongly individualistic, independent, going their own way. Needs freedom and breathing room (physical, intellectual) and frequent renewal (through new interests and experiences, shedding inhibitions, shaking loose stale conditions). Responds strongly to the new, unexpected, thrilling, colorful, exciting. Pragmatic realist anchored by naked truth. Clownish, fun. Prefers disclosure over mystery.

Moon Foreground
Needs constant stimulation (of mind or senses). Responsive, adaptive, malleable to social, psychological, and environmental conditions (impressionable). Strong sexual appetites; responsive to affection, friendship, sexual suggestion. Amiable, accommodating, good-hearted; sensitive, receptive, empathic, tender (touchy, moody, reactive). Vulnerable to judgments, displeasure, criticism. Natural before an audience (connected). Imaginative.

Foreground means close to an major angle (ascendant, desendant, midheaven, or lower meridian), within ten degrees measured in the prime vertical (the second set of numbers after the zodiac position of each planet in the chart "wheel") or within about three degrees of a minor angle
(zenith, nadir, eastpoint, westpoint). When present, these planets along with your Sun and Moon signs, strongly influence your charter. The absence of foreground planets doesn't indicate the lack of anything, by the way.

Moon in Aquarius
Diverse interests with an instinct for breadth and the interconnection of things. Intellectually rebellious, curious, investigative, futuristic. Science, analysis, discovery. Free spirit + social responsibility. Sexually curious; strange marital conditions. Humane: sympathetic to others’ troubles. Social idealist, reformer. Avoids “herd mind.” Occultists. Space, astronomy, astrology, sci fi.

Notice how well this fits in with the theme set by the foreground planets. It has been my experience that when the horoscope has important things to say, it says them repeatedly.

Sun in Taurus
Charming, good-hearted, tolerant, forthright. Loves peace, beauty, nature, comfort, simplicity. Devoted friend keenly understands people. Willingly vulnerable, open; feels things powerfully. Erotic (sexually, sensually, philosophically). Deeply loving parent. Prolific in all areas of creativity.

Sun square Saturn
Effective survivors, self-sufficient, hardworking, accomplishing. Accustomed to work, few luxuries, preferring private, modest accommodations. Not always good control on strong impulses, but generally very good control of small and medium-sized ones. Authority (likely paternal) issues to overcome. Serious; enjoy deep subjects; yet few have so good a sense of humor. Childhood hardships common, circumstances force early maturation.

Sun octile Uranus
Go their own way, unapologetically following their own paths, persuaded that they are a special case. Easily bored. Loves freedom: bows to no outside authority. Progressive, future-oriented, uninhibited by convention. Self-perspective usually founded in objectivity.

Mars in Aries
Strong-willed, independent, confident. Firm in their own opinions, don’t back down. Accomplishing, industrious. Knack for business, promotion, making things move. (Building and expanding organizations or industries.) Imperial (bossy?). Some have too much energy pumping through their bodies for their comfort and health.

Mercury sextile Mars
Quite a charmer with wit and edgy humor. Mind is quick, creative, strategic, opinionated. Independent thinker, enjoys argument, critical, nervous. Vulnerable to addiction.

Mars opposite Jupiter
Exalts strength, competition, and conquest with a zest for living. Common for successful competitive athletes; in others, it shows vitality and enthusiasm for bringing an ever-improving “personal best.” Confidence in their own strength adds impermanence to any defeats. Morally if not physically courageous. Enterprising, resourceful. Sexually ardent, lusty, eager, popular, on the hunt. “Money to burn” (generous or extravagant; rarely holds onto cash for long; seems confident in the stream of resources). Aggressive in their beliefs, evangelical in their lives (irrepressible enthusiasts, missionaries, barnstormers of doctrine or other interests).

A note on the word "evangelical": here it means to share one's beliefs, without regard to the content of those beliefs. The keynote is the fervor in sharing them. Most of the time in the media, this is a reference to the evangelical flavor of Christianity. Not intended here but not excluded. It depends on what your faith if any is and how fervently you share it. It could also equally apply to your opinions on politics, art, philosophy ...

Mars conjunct square Eris
Disruptors carving new paths (sometimes zealously). Breakout creativity and effectiveness. Highly sex-motivated (sexual-social outlier).

This is a mundane aspect, specific to your birthplace. Someone born at the same time in another part of the world would not have it. Mars and Eris are almost 20 degrees apart in zodiacal position, less the two and a half measured in the prime vertical

Mercury in Gemini
Versatile mind, engaging. Much mental and physical movement, quickness. (Sensitive nerves, high-strung, restless.) Writers, thinkers, creators, communication. Fond of mental games. Commercially shrewd, sly, cunning, courageous, observant, quick grasp of situations.

Mercury trine Jupiter
Intelligent; seems well-read, educated. Loves ideas and learning, comfortable with words. Good-tempered, kind. Optimistic. Business potential (from luck more than skill?). Always awaiting the next opportunity or break.

Venus in Gemini
Playful, fun. Seeks companions specially to share curiosities and explorations (strengthened by partnering with their “other”). Broadly open to sexual opportunities. Interested in unusual, specialized artistic fields; keen awareness of form.

Venus trine Saturn
Work, duty, and devotion are gratifying. Restrictions in love; ordinary pleasures may be deferred. Many seem comfortable unpartnered, though there is rarely sexual restraint. Childhood hardship or deprivation shape adult patterns. Sober, responsible.

Jupiter opposite Eris
Chaos brings out the best in them (rises to the occasion best when things are falling apart). Disruptive circumstances around success and prosperity (self-defeating); manages the greatest prosperity in uncertain, undecided times and conditions.

This also is a mundane aspect

Uranus conjunct Neptune
Wanderlust, curious explorer, drawn to peek or push past horizons. Colliding realities and social revision impact the life. Rules have not been discovered for one’s life (maps not yet drawn, “nobody knows what my life is like”). Mythic, ritualistic sense of one’s position in the universal scheme (need to discern one’s role). Knows that life and reality are more mystical and inscrutable (or just plain weird!) than anyone ever said. High-strung, sensitive, easily agitated.

Uranus sextile Pluto
Feels unbound by convention or authority; will challenge or dismiss them. Seeks new ideas, new ways, more options. Strong opinions; easily provoked to share them. Restless, impatient, frustrated (angry). In youth, often seems without direction (this usually resolves with maturity).

Neptune square Pluto
Those who are leaders of their era display capacity and desire to impose a worldview (scientific, political, literary). More typically, uncertainty about the world fosters desire for certainty (for the world to be a particular way): Thinking in absolutes, adopting and holding a worldview, rejecting its competitors, regarding things a certain way and not other. (Suspicion, bigotry, doctrinal narrowness, threatened by things becoming other than how they have been.)

Neptune-Pluto are sextile in the zodiac but in a closer mundane square.

[Jim Eshelman]

These notes on your Sidereal Natal Horoscope are provided for your reference and study. They are not a full interpretation of your birth chart; rather, they are building blocks from which a full interpretation can be built.

Each factor listed below contributes to your character. These paragraphs commonly repeat or contradict each other. (We all have contradictions.) Though it does not take an astrologer to fuse these factors into a balanced picture of you and your life, it does require knowledge of human behavior and the ways that people support and sabotage themselves. An astrologer, having these skills and knowing this symbolic language, can help you in this process. However, knowing yourself is a life-long undertaking. I encourage you to read through these notes, feeling your way through the interweaving ideas and reflecting on what you know of yourself.

The paragraphs are brief. I have sought to pack in everything essential, to use a few words to imply much more. Not every phrase will apply, of course. Some will be more important than others; but the gist of each section should clearly reflect truth about you. Character is destiny. Who you are determines the life that is yours to unfold. “Know thyself” is the key.

SUN in TAURUS
Charming, good-hearted, tolerant, forthright. Loves peace, beauty, nature, comfort, simplicity. Devoted friend keenly understands people. Willingly vulnerable, open; feels things powerfully. Erotic (sexually, sensually, philosophically). Deeply loving parent. Prolific in all areas of creativity.

Sun square Saturn (0°12' mundo)
Effective survivors, self-sufficient, hardworking, accomplishing. Accustomed to work, few luxuries, preferring private, modest accommodations. Not always good control on strong impulses, but generally very good control of small and medium-sized ones. Authority (likely paternal) issues to overcome. Serious; enjoy deep subjects; yet few have so good a sense of humor. Childhood hardships common, circumstances force early maturation.

Sun octile Uranus (0°13')
Go their own way, unapologetically following their own paths. Easily bored. Loves freedom: bows to no outside authority. Progressive, future-oriented, uninhibited by convention. Self-perspective usually founded in objectivity.

Sun square Moon (3°24' mundo)
Dynamic, vitality. An attitude biased toward success. At home with power. Intense desire in whatever they undertake. Sexual desires strong, often narcissistic. Vanity, self-exaltation.

MOON in AQUARIUS
Diverse interests with an instinct for breadth and the interconnection of things. Intellectually rebellious, curious, investigative, futuristic. Science, analysis, discovery. Free spirit + social responsibility. Sexually curious; strange marital conditions. Humane: sympathetic to others’ troubles. Social idealist, reformer. Avoids “herd mind.” Occultists. Space, astronomy, astrology, sci fi.

Moon conjunct Saturn (3°12' mundo)
Proud, self-made. Dynamic, hardworking, persistent, self-driving. Encourages growth in others (expects them to do something worthy of their abilities). Usually emotionally reserved, private. Seeks (often unconscious) total control of situations and relationships. Parent-themed issues to work through (nourishment-deprivation, etc.). Judgmental (intolerant). Can be pessimistic, distrustful, little self-confidence, passive-aggressive, feeling inferior, anxious, depressed. Many enter religious or social work for mixed motives of service, self-immolation, and seeking control.

Moon sextile Neptune (3°25')
Drawn to the imaginative and surrealistic. Loves mystery, pursues with avid curiosity. Sensitive, empathic (deeply understanding, sympathetic; also, psychically vulnerable). Self-defense through closing senses, withdrawing, introversion (worry, moodiness).

MARS in ARIES
Strong-willed, independent, confident. Firm in their own opinions, don’t back down. Accomplishing, industrious. Knack for business, promotion, making things move. (Building and expanding organizations or industries.) Imperial (bossy?). Some have too much energy pumping through their bodies for their comfort and health.

Mars opposite Jupiter (0°10' mundo)
Exalts strength, competition, and conquest with a zest for living. Common for successful competitive athletes; in others, it shows vitality and enthusiasm for bringing an ever-improving “personal best.” Confidence in their own strength adds impermanence to any defeats. Morally if not physically courageous. Enterprising, resourceful. Sexually ardent, lusty, eager, popular, on the hunt. “Money to burn” (generous or extravagant; rarely holds onto cash for long; seems confident in the stream of resources). Aggressive in their beliefs, evangelical in their lives (irrepressible enthusiasts, missionaries, barnstormers of doctrine or other interests).

MERCURY in GEMINI
Versatile mind, engaging. Much mental and physical movement, quickness. (Sensitive nerves, high-strung, restless.) Writers, thinkers, creators, communication. Fond of mental games. Commercially shrewd, sly, cunning, courageous, observant, quick grasp of situations.

Mercury trine Jupiter (2°05')
Intelligent; seems well-read, educated. Loves ideas and learning, comfortable with words. Good-tempered, kind. Optimistic. Business potential (from luck more than skill?). Always awaiting the next opportunity or break.

Mercury sextile Mars (2°41')
Quite a charmer with wit and edgy humor. Mind is quick, creative, strategic, opinionated. Independent thinker, enjoys arguments, critical, nervous. Vulnerable to addiction.

VENUS in GEMINI
Playful, fun. Seeks companions specially to share curiosities and explorations (strengthened by partnering with their “other”). Broadly open to sexual opportunities. Interested in unusual, specialized artistic fields; keen awareness of form. NOTE: However, Venus’ aspects are a bit harsh, so a feature of life may have been repeated disappointments in these needs.

Venus opposite Neptune (3°57')
Idealistic, future-looking, longs to be enchanted (and able to allure and enchant others, holding their attention). Wants things perfect. Can become jaded, disillusioned, and cynical from repeated hurtful betrayals. Emotions run strong. Most sees the beauty in people and things, thus has blind spots (especially in romance). Trusting, naturally confident of others’ goodness (poor discrimination in selecting friends). Good-hearted, caretakes others, devoted friend, romantic, humanitarian. Natural people-reader (when not personally involved), natural psychologist.

Venus trine Saturn (2°08')
Work, duty, and devotion are gratifying. Restrictions in love; ordinary pleasures may be deferred. Many seem comfortable unpartnered, though there is rarely sexual restraint. Childhood hardship or deprivation shape adult patterns. Sober, responsible.

OUTER PLANET ASPECTS
Neptune square Pluto (0°45' mundo)
Those who are leaders of their era display capacity and desire to impose a worldview (scientific, political, literary). More typically, UNCERTAINTY about the world fosters desire for certainty (for the world to be a particular way): Thinking in absolutes, adopting and holding a worldview, rejecting its competitors, regarding things a certain way and not other.

Uranus sextile Pluto (0°21')
Feels unbound by convention or authority; will challenge or dismiss them. Seeks new ideas, new ways, more options. Strong opinions; easily provoked to share them. Restless, impatient, frustrated (angry). In youth, often seems without direction (this usually resolves with maturity).

Saturn octile Uranus (1°06')
Autonomy firmly defended. Self-willed (acts out). Resists persuasion, makes decisions on own terms (cantankerous, obstinate). Hard to pigeon-hole, thinks and acts outside of stereotypes. Much of their life is about “holding it together” (some succeed, some don’t).

[Jim Eshelman]

Alexi, for a few years we've been observing two recently discovered planets, Eris and Sedna. These may eventually prove to be important or unimportant (though they seem like they will be important). We may or may not have a handle on their meaning, but keep refining definitions with new data. - Therefore, I've kept the Eris and data separate for you to examine without it impacting the notes above too much. We'd love your feedback, of course. Sedna, if important, should be of enormous importance to you since it is your most angular planet. Here are your more important Sedna and Eris elements.

Sedna on Nadir (0°11')
Warm, affectionate, bearing joy. Responds most powerfully to their feelings. Can be radiantly sexual, charismatic. Requires justice (sometimes vengeance), decisive righting of wrongs. They find their center in the unspoken (pre-rational, pre-verbal) (instinct for mathematics and natural sciences). When unhinged, rebels violently against distortions by reason. Buried darkness: ancient treasures or things long suppressed, shamed, and brutalized (accumulated rage, terror, and violence). Parental (especially father) issues need resolution. Women may have deep distrust of men (abuse history?). Worst expression: prone to and retaliates against abuse or victimization (vengeful or just), or enacting violence and abuse.

Jupiter conjunct Eris (2°17' mundo)
Chaos brings out the best in them (rises to the occasion best when things are falling apart). Disruptive circumstances around success and prosperity (self-defeating); manages the greatest prosperity in uncertain, undecided times and conditions.

Mercury square Sedna (2°27' mundo)
Atypical mind capable of significant insight outside of usual frameworks (Albert Einstein, Nikola Tesla, Friedrich Engels, Mary-Louise von Franz). May seem a bit mad to others. May find themselves adjacent to power or celebrity. Strategist (may strategize revenge).

Mars conjunct Eris (2°27' mundo)
Disruptors carving new paths (sometimes zealously). Breakout creativity and effectiveness. Highly sex-motivated (sexual-social outlier). Women in particular show unusual sexual ferocity and easy sexual freedom (but is this just from disrupting prior expectations?).

Venus sextile Sedna (0°57')
Gorgeous, sexy, libertine, charming, often with a wicked sense of humor. Visceral, powerfully feeling, wild and colorful imagination. Women are called to ancient, primal expressions of femininity while wielding significant public power. Men deeply enjoy women and may exude power as a pheromone.

Saturn sextile Sedna (1°10')
Drawn to roots, ancient origins, old foundations, traditions as sources of guiding myth; yet with a desire to let them bring new growth fitting to the time.

[Alexi]

Hello again,

Thank you for the detailed replies, will take a read and answer any questions if there are any !

[Alexi]

Thank you both for the reading, interesting for sure.

On the last bit Jim, whilst I was familiar with Eris I never read about it much, and never knew about Sedna.

I have a question regarding benefics in aspects with malefics:

"Venus trine Saturn (2°08')
Work, duty, and devotion are gratifying. Restrictions in love; ordinary pleasures may be deferred. Many seem comfortable unpartnered, though there is rarely sexual restraint. Childhood hardship or deprivation shape adult patterns. Sober, responsible."

In this case, is Saturn "softened" by Venus in any way? Would a square instead of a trine cause worse restrictions or delays?

[SteveS]

Alexi, in about 3 years you have a most interesting 3 Planet Solar Arc developing. Your Natal Venus-Mars-Jupiter will Solar Arc to your Natal Angles, a major life cycle for your life. There is very high probability you will experience a very benefic “Life Development” in your life within months around this time. Allow months for the processes to unfold for this major “Life Development” to be reconized as a major life event.

Also, within several more months you have another very important Solar Arc developing. Your d MC = r Mercury. This could have something to do with an advancement in one’s career, or to do with self-knowledge with clearer objectives in life. It’s a major Mercury development of some kind.

A couple of years from now, you have another very important “Life Development” timed. Your Solar Arc ASC will direct and conjunct your Natal Saturn squaring your Natal Sun. Again, allow months of time for this Solar Arc to develop into a significant life incident. I see this possible negative cycle possibly setting-up something very positive for your life with Venus-Mars-Jupiter directing to your Natal Angles about a year later. “Timing is everything”

[Jim Eshelman]

I have a question regarding benefics in aspects with malefics:

"Venus trine Saturn (2°08')
Work, duty, and devotion are gratifying. Restrictions in love; ordinary pleasures may be deferred. Many seem comfortable unpartnered, though there is rarely sexual restraint. Childhood hardship or deprivation shape adult patterns. Sober, responsible."

In this case, is Saturn "softened" by Venus in any way? Would a square instead of a trine cause worse restrictions or delays?

Yes, "softened" is a fair term. To be very simplistic, we can say that Venus makes this a well-aspected Saturn, while Saturn makes this a poorly-aspected Venus.

A square might result in worse restrictions in the sense that there would be a more intensive demand or driven quality in the aspect - it would have a more dynamic, energetic expression. The more placid, quiet trine is more willing to "let things be the way they are," not push for change, not drive toward action. Mostly, though, the way Venus and Saturn blend is about the same regardless of which aspect they have.

As a demonstration, here is my standard paragraph for Venus conjunct, opposite, or square Saturn:
"Work, duty, devotion give especial pleasure. Various restrictions (even hardships) in love. Work (with an eye to service) is inherently gratifying; ordinary pleasures may be delayed or sacrificed for responsibilities. Many seem comfortable alone (unpartnered), though there is rarely any sexual restraint (often quite the opposite). Childhood hardship or deprivation often exists (physical or emotional) that shapes adult patterns; many move far from their birthplace to restart their lives. Sober, responsible. Willing to pragmatically sacrifice (even sellout) whatever they need to, for something more important to them."

Here is my standard paragraph for Venus trine or sextile Saturn, softened a bit:
"Work, duty, and devotion are gratifying. Restrictions in love; ordinary pleasures may be deferred. Many seem comfortable unpartnered, though there is rarely sexual restraint. Childhood hardship or deprivation shape adult patterns. Sober, responsible."

[Alexi]

Alexi, in about 3 years you have a most interesting 3 Planet Solar Arc developing. Your Natal Venus-Mars-Jupiter will Solar Arc to your Natal Angles, a major life cycle for your life. There is very high probability you will experience a very benefic “Life Development” in your life within months around this time. Allow months for the processes to unfold for this major “Life Development” to be reconized as a major life event.

Also, within several more months you have another very important Solar Arc developing. Your d MC = r Mercury. This could have something to do with an advancement in one’s career, or to do with self-knowledge with clearer objectives in life. It’s a major Mercury development of some kind.

A couple of years from now, you have another very important “Life Development” timed. Your Solar Arc ASC will direct and conjunct your Natal Saturn squaring your Natal Sun. Again, allow months of time for this Solar Arc to develop into a significant life incident. I see this possible negative cycle possibly setting-up something very positive for your life with Venus-Mars-Jupiter directing to your Natal Angles about a year later. “Timing is everything”

I sure hope so, last couple of years have not been too fluffy, I do/had some powerful transits going on, plus life in general so it is what it is.

Thanks for the input, nice to read !

[Alexi]

Thank you Jim, got it!

Are there any things that people overlook when reading a chart? Things that are underrated let's say?

[Jim Eshelman]

Are there any things that people overlook when reading a chart? Things that are underrated let's say?

I'm sure there are... and there are other subtleties, or refinements, that weren't addressed above.

One thing that astrologers as a whole usually disregard are mundane aspects, which we've uncovered are enormously important - probably as important as ecliptical aspects. You have many of these mundane aspects, incorporated in the summary above.

A further layer one might add are the stronger midpoint contacts. These are too numerous and, interpretively, tedious to include in a summary like the one above, but usually are worth exploring. - Just to give you one example, the way your mind works is likely strongly colored by your Mercury 9°21' Gemini being at your Sun/Uranus midpoint 8°53' Pisces.

There are also quite a number of things that are overrated. That's a much bigger problem in astrology than the opposite.

But it also sounds like maybe you have something specific in mind? Did you have a question about a specific technique or view?

[Jim Eshelman]

Also, Alexi, you might want to check out some free astrology software being developed on this site. Mikestar13, who answered you inquiry above, posted a copy of your chart and a data sheet for a program he's written called TMSA. You can get a free copy of the current version here:

viewforum.php?f=60

It already is a powerful program that compacts an amazing amount of information into the summaries at the bottom. Another version, coming out soon, adds a further table that makes analysis of each planet's overall state easy, plus new features that optionally include midpoints (in a more intuitive, easy to use form than has been seen previously).

[Alexi]

Hi Jim,

Thanks for letting me know, will take a look at the software.

To answer the question, I saw on some topics mentioned the Navamsa/Novien (D9) chart. How important do you consider this compared to the natal chart?

Also, not sure if it's allowed, or a topic of discussion, but house lords/rulers is something that adds layers to one's chart interpretation but it's not as popular as I thought.

[Jim Eshelman]

To answer the question, I saw on some topics mentioned the Navamsa/Novien (D9) chart. How important do you consider this compared to the natal chart?

I consider the Novien quite important in the sense that its aspects are quite valid. (We get the same result by checking all 10° multiples in the birth chart within, say, a 0°20' to 0°40' orb.) I've concluded over time that the Navamsa/Novien sign positions, even of Moon, probably aren't of any importance at all.

On the other hand, the Novien rarely seems necessary to understand a birth chart. It's a nice adjunct, and I think quite worth exploring in deeper digging into the chart, but I almost never do one for a chart, partly because on Solar Fire one has to jump through hoops to get it right (I may do more once Mike adds Noviens to TMSA), and partly because the normal horoscope (rasi) is usually more than sufficient on its own.

Also, not sure if it's allowed, or a topic of discussion, but house lords/rulers is something that adds layers to one's chart interpretation but it's not as popular as I thought.

We consider these to be absolute nonsense. Personally, I am probably more adamant on this than on any other detail in astrology, probably because I see it as the single greatest cause of nonsensical use of astrology and degrading astrology into a disrespected pseudo-science.

Houses themselves are the single hardest traditional factor to substantiate as working at all. There is not a single statistical study to my knowledge that has ever validated the simplest feature, i.e., that houses overall exist and planets in houses have consistent meaning. Personally, I think they do exist and that planets in houses have meaning - while there isn't much "fire" in the evidence, there is far too much "smoke" for me to accept that there is nothing to them. But they are subtle and rarely of use except in the deepest of person-to-person consultations. However, this is as far as I'm willing to go on accepting value to houses and, in particular, the use of house dispositors gets no respect from me at all.

An example of the complexity in affirming house positions in even the simplest ways: Your Sun in 4H suggests that 4H themes should be very strong in your character and experience. Even if this is true, how would we distinguish this in your case from meanings we would already give to, say, Sun square Saturn? (And that's only examining your chart as a single-case. Single cases are never a good basis for validating a technique - I want to see larger studies of at least hundreds of cases that share a common trait or set of traits and show statistically unusual excesses or deficits. We have this for signs, angularity, and aspects, but don't have anything resembling it for houses.)

FWIW, relevant to your chart, years ago I did a comparison of the lives of people with luminaries in the houses. I don't consider this a reliable study, but it gave me a starting point. Here is what I concluded at that point about Sun in the 4th House: "Strong parental (paternal) principle (root-conscious). Emphasis on family matters (domesticity). Pride in home. Striving for a secure basis."

[Alexi]

Thanks you,

That was informative. If you have anything else to add, or even questions, please do tell.

Best !

[Alexi]

Hello everyone, hope it's alright to bump/revive older threads.

I was wondering if I could get help, or advice, on how to look at what careers would be "suitable" for me based on my chart.

Currently studying astrocartography as well but not that savvy, with general recommendations being to live on benefic lines (Venus/Jupiter).

Is this chart-dependent as well?

Thank you !

[Jim Eshelman]

Welcome back, Alexi.

Where are you currently living? What are your career interests and requirements? What training or experience do you have?

Your Taurus Sun and Aquarius Moon (supported by your modestly angular Uranus) would provide the main clues - and you can read the Sun in Taurus and Moon in Aquarius sections of the forum for more information. There are also character traits from your exact Sun-Saturn square and Mars-Jupiter opposition to consider. (These are just the strongest factors describing your character, which ultimately is what matters.)

But all of this has to fit, with common sense, into the pattern of your actual interests, what fires your imagination, and what you've already trained for or acquired skills in. Just from the lead planets, I'd suspect something in the sciences, especially physical or natural sciences, but that may not be something to which you're drawn (it could be, say, the arts).

[Alexi]

Hi Jim,

Thanks for getting back.

Currently residing in the UK close to Kent.

In terms of career I've been working in advertising/digital for years now.

In terms of interests, always been into fitness+training, medicine (studying/reading but definitely not an expert), tech/computers which is a bit related to what I'm doing now being in digital, and is the main "branch" that I'm looking into developing skills at the moment.

Will take a look again at the descriptions, thanks for the pointers and will get back !

[Jim Eshelman]

So you're blending tech and the arts - at least to some extent. Good fit

Let us know if we can help further.

[Alexi]

Still in this sector but feeling the urge to change for some reason, and the place as well.

Might be age to be fair . Hope you guys are well!

[Jim Eshelman]

Good to hear from you. Bring us up to date if you like. Anything we can do for you?

[Alexi]

Nothing too crazy Jim, and not to bore people hahah.

I am looking into doing my Novien chart (or at least the moon sign)! I am familiar with my D9 chart so curious if this is calculated differently.

Went through some threads but could not find a calculator or the steps. Anywhere where I can do/try this ?

Thank you!

[Jim Eshelman]

I am looking into doing my Novien chart (or at least the moon sign)! I am familiar with my D9 chart so curious if this is calculated differently.

Taurus
Novien positions are exactly 120° ahead of Navamsa positions. As your Navamsa Moon is 14°08' Taurus, your Novien Moon is 14°08' Virgo. The main features of your Novien are a Jupiter-Pluto opposition and Mercury-Venus square that you don't have in the horoscope.

In terms of calculating, what astrological software do you use?

[Alexi]

Hi Jim,

Thank you for the reply !

Saw the short summaries on Novien moons and read about the Virgo one.

Using this website for now https://horoscopes.astro-seek.com (let me know if not ok to share and I can delete).