Version 0.5.0 Screenshots

[mikestar13]

The redesigned start page. As suspected, I can't quite fit it in a half screen, so I used 60% width: https://imgur.com/drAIe17

[Jim Eshelman]

Neat. The Solunars URL probably would fit on the line above reference it btw.

[mikestar13]

Shifted a few words slightly and fit in a half page: https://i.imgur.com/Y8Z3uhc.jpg

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[mikestar13]

Neat. The Solunars URL probably would fit on the line above reference it btw.

Will try that, won't bother posting a screenshot.

[mikestar13]

The revised new chart page, with a deliberate error to show error message: https://i.imgur.com/82UWTGA.jpg

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I'm thinking of converting the Options Entry to a pick list, to prevent random entries. Choices would be populated from user's option files.

[Jim Eshelman]

The differences I see are a little nicer spacing, the switch to NSEW as abbreviations, and repositioning the Back button, shortening Temp, all of which are nice "polishing" improvements. Did I miss anything?

I'm thinking of converting the Options Entry to a pick list, to prevent random entries. Choices would be populated from user's option files.

Like a drop-down? Ah, now I see, the current option lets people type what they want. That actually never occurred to me, LOL. I always hit the Temp or Select button.

I'd leave the Temp button (because that takes one to the minute customize page) but a drop-down (or something similar) for the Select button would make it easier for everyone and safer for those inclined to type a name.

[mikestar13]

Program Options page: https://i.imgur.com/JjZbgeC.jpg

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[Jim Eshelman]

Nice compaction.

You missed truncating "South" to "S".

Why are Rulerships here (on what's otherwise a colors and formatting options page? (It's not intuitively obvious.)

[mikestar13]

Will fix. I figured rulerships would be program wide, but they could instead be part of Chart Options.

[mikestar13]

Fixed and Rulerships moved to chart options page. Won't bother with a new screenshot.

[Jim Eshelman]

Will fix. I figured rulerships would be program wide, but they could instead be part of Chart Options.

Ah, I see: Chart Options are per Options file. I agree these don't need to be different per type of chart.

I tend to think of Program Options as "one-time initial setup after installing" - mostly cosmetic stuff - and missed that you were drawing the line at "whole program vs, subsets of program."

In any case, this is a nice facelift,

[mikestar13]

Almost done with the Ingresses page. Taking a break till after supper.

[mikestar13]

Revised Ingress page: https://i.imgur.com/MVVgGMs.jpg

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[Jim Eshelman]

A thought (not sure why this didn't occur to me before): Doesn't it make sense to put New Chart / Find Chart at the top (ahead of Date)?

When I think of workflow, I realize I have almost never used those buttons because I've already typed in the date, time, and place before I get down to those buttons.

To argue with myself: If they're at the top, does that create a different kind of confusion (until one knows the program), i.e., confusion between the ingress(es) you came to calculate and the new or saved chart the buttons address. - Ah, wait, that's solved if the buttons are renamed New Event / Find Event.

Thoughts?

PS - Being picky on how words land: Do Forwards / Backward communicate most easily, or might Future / Past work better? (Trying to feel into how different brains process verbal input.)

[mikestar13]

Future/ Past does seem to be a better phrasing. I will adopt it, here and on the solunars page. I will think over the event chart buttons.

[mikestar13]

I will put the Event Chart buttons at the top and have them fill in the date/time/location when used. This should simplify data entry though it will require slight reworking of the code (internal operation, appearance and function won't change). Similar changes will be made in the Solunars page.

[Jim Eshelman]

Cool. I think this is a good move (just going by visualizing what use will feel like).

Sorry it adds extra work. What you described is exactly the way it works now, isn't it? - That is, if I click Solunars, it auto-populates with current date/time. If the first thing I click on the page is Find Chart, it goes off on a seeker mission and returns with the selected chart's date / time / place.

[mikestar13]

D'oh, yes it already works that way for new and find, I just need to move the buttons (trivial). I will take this opportunity to improve the chart finding code, File dialogs are so slow in Python. I will use a file finder page like in my video collection manager.

[mikestar13]

Now working on Find Chart. I redesigned the way New Chart works, now it calls up the New Chart page and calculates a chart as usual and fills the data into the ingress form. Coding was a bit complex but short in terms of lines or code, so easy to port to the Solunars page when I redesign it.

[Jim Eshelman]

That sounds like a smoother approach. The current 0.4.x version works perfectly fine and isn't TOO confusing, but does make the brain stop for a second and say "what happened" the first time. The new approach sounds like it overcomes that.

[mikestar13]

When you hit Find on the Select Chart page it calls the new Find Chart page (faster than file dialog, and better user interface). When the user hits Find Chart, should the new find routine be called immediately, or recent charts displayed first, then call the find routine if the desired chart isn't in the list of recent files. Same coding difficulty either way--I'm asking for your take on usability.

[Jim Eshelman]

I think go to Recent. It's fast - and it's not hard to imagine that someone might calculate a base chart (natal or event) and next go to calculate returns, other predictive options, or ingresses as an immediate next step. (It might be the most common workflow, and certainly would be the most common workflow that involves Find rather than New.)

[mikestar13]

I was inclined that way myself.

[mikestar13]

Calling it a night. Ingresses now working perfectly, including New Chart and Find Chart buttons. Find Chart will first display recent charts if any, then if Not Found is clicked (or their were no recent charts), the new Find Chart page is displayed. Searching on "esh" was sufficient to find your chart uniquely (though of course I could have got it faster yet from the recent charts listing). Find Chart page is much faster and more intuitive than a file dialog. I will reuse the code for the Solunars page.

[mikestar13]

The revised Select Chart page: https://i.imgur.com/ftRL35c.jpg

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The Find Chart button uses the new fast find page, while import uses the old slower file dialog (used for chart files not in the TMSA chart files folder).
The delete button is uppercased as a reminder it's important/dangerous (and still displays a confirmation dialog before deleting a chart).
I have added a Noviens button (implemented in 0.5.1) and have renamed "Predictive Methods", "Prediction".

[Jim Eshelman]

Oooh, that's nice. (And each row of buttons makes sense together.)

[mikestar13]

I was careful to arrange the rows logically. I knew users (including me) would appreciate it. I'm taking substantial time rewriting the code to do everything it does or will do right moving forward. I will also be adding some buttons to the start page, maybe consolidating all options into one button that opens a sub form, and adding a synastry button for version 0.6. In fact, I will need to reorganize the TMSA options folder. The installer will automatically move the user's existing options files as apporopriate, the options folder will have program, chart, novien, prediction, and synastry sub folders. I will also consider how to invoke interpretation in version 0.7, probably per option set for each chart type that implements interpretation.

[Jim Eshelman]

I will need to reorganize the TMSA options folder. The installer will automatically move the user's existing options files as appropriate, the options folder will have program, chart, novien, prediction, and synastry sub folders.

While doing this, perhaps you can preserve existing options when installing a new version? (Copy the files to a 'save' folder if they're format compatible, then move them back after?) I suppose, though, that doing that require another button to reset them to default?

I will also consider how to invoke interpretation in version 0.7, probably per option set for each chart type that implements interpretation.

Right now I only have interps that I think are suitable for this (compatible with each other, look like they're somehow connected) for natals, but I suppose people want this for other scenarios, too.

My thought on natal interps is something like: Start with whatever natal options the user has normally set up (for a 'full' report) and then have some selectable version of a 'lite' report that (for example) drops out Class 2 aspects and Mercury and Venus sign placements - something like that. Or user selectable; i.e., I'm not sure how to structure giving the user a "lighter" or shorter version option.

[mikestar13]

Existing option files will be preserved and moved into newly created sub folders, before new option files from the installer are installed, nothing will be overwritten.

I will add interpretation as they become available, at first only natals in 0.7.0, I will try to leave space in the other option forms in case interpretations become available.

[Jim Eshelman]

At the very least, I'll be fleshing them out and finalizing them as I write The Big Book. Once we hit 0.7 territory, I probably will be in a place to accelerate that.

I'm more skeptical of writing solunars etc. predictions in an automated way (or, rather, I have decades of having thought through how to do it right and it's a gigantic job). Natals I know how to make look OK (almost integrated), transits can be short one-off paragraphs, even ingresses are so straightforward that piling short paragraphs together at least gives a "starter" on interpretation, but solunars are an entirely 'nuther ani-mule.

[mikestar13]

If all we ever do is natals, transits, and ingresses, we have something **very** useful for the newbie,or even natals alone. I'd be gIad to even have natal interpretations in 1.0! What does Solar fire offer for interpretations?

[Jim Eshelman]

Well... enough that people buy it just for that but it's all crap IMHO. It's best feature is thst the user can edit or modify the text.

[Jim Eshelman]

Here is SF's full natal report, but with my paragraphs dropped into the big areas, from the version of about four years ago.

SOLAR FIRE INTERPRETATIONS REPORT

Sidereal Natal Horoscope Interpretation

(c) 2018 James A. Eshelman


These notes on your SIDEREAL NATAL HOROSCOPE are provided for your reference and study. They are not a full interpretation of your birth chart; rather, they are the building blocks from which such a full interpretation can be built.

Each factor listed below contributes to your character. These paragraphs commonly repeat or contradict each other. (We all have contradictions.) Though it does not take an astrologer to fuse these factors into a balanced picture of you and your life, it DOES require knowledge of human behavior and the ways that people support and sabotage themselves. Your astrologer, having these skills and knowing this symbolic language, can help you in this process. However, KNOWING YOURSELF is a life-long undertaking. I encourage you to read through these notes, feeling your way through the interweaving ideas and reflecting on what you know of yourself.

The paragraphs are brief. I have sought to pack in everything essential, to use a few words to imply a great deal more. Not every phrase will apply, of course. Some will be more important than others; but the gist of each section should clearly reflect truth about you. When you have spent time with this and have new questions, consult your astrologer to discuss them.

Character is destiny. Who you are determines the life that is yours to unfold. "Know thyself" is the key. -- Jim Eshelman


CHART DETAILS

James A. Eshelman - Male Chart
Oct 10 1954, 4:13 am, CST +6:00
, 41°N04'03'', 086°W13'09''
Geocentric Fagan-Allen Zodiac
Campanus Houses, True Node


BACKGROUND INFORMATION

BALANCE OF SIGNS
Scores: Aries 0; Taurus 0; Gemini 3; Cancer 2; Leo 1; Virgo 6; Libra 4; Scorpio 2; Sagittarius 2; Capricorn 0; Aquarius 3; Pisces 0
VIRGO STRONG
VIRGO IS strategic, tactical, analytical, logical, scrutinizing. Encyclopedic knowledge. Favors trees over forest. Innocent air (modesty). Courageous in word & deed. Service-minded, conscientious, efficient. Active toward social progress.
LIBRA STRONG
LIBRA IS relationship-centered. Enjoys beauty, comfort. Appearance-conscious (vain). Tease (self & others: entice, deny, gratify). Peace (appeasement). Justice (righting wrongs). Shrewd, intense, secretive. Feminine thrives better than masculine.


BALANCE OF ELEMENTS
Scores: Fire 3; Earth 6; Air 10; Water 4


BALANCE OF MODES
Scores: Cardinal 6; Fixed 6; Mutable 11


BALANCE OF HOUSES
Scores: 1st 4; 2nd 5; 3rd 0; 4th 2; 5th 0; 6th 3; 7th 0; 8th 0; 9th 0; 10th 0; 11th 2; 12th 1
1ST STRONG
The First House is about identity. It describes your personality - how you see yourself and how others see you. It can also describe your physical appearance. Other exoteric and esoteric keywords include: the self, ego, anima, projected image, expression of inner motivation, physical appearance, soul purpose, initial approach to life, the aura.
2ND STRONG
The Second House is about your own resources. It describes what you value ranging from physical possessions and money, to personal self esteem and talents. Other exoteric and esoteric keywords include: resources, both personal and financial, values and attitudes, possessions, self-esteem, acquisitions, prana.
6TH STRONG
The Sixth House is about day to day life. It is about work, health, the service you give and your habits. It also relates to small animals. Other exoteric and esoteric keywords include: health, daily routine, working environment, skills, pets and animals, service


BALANCE OF QUADRANTS
Scores: 1st Quadrant 9; 2nd Quadrant 5; 3rd Quadrant 0; 4th Quadrant 3


BALANCE OF HEMISPHERES
Scores: Eastern 12; Northern 14; Western 5; Southern 3


LUNAR PHASE: GIBBOUS
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BALANCE OF RAYS
Scores: 1st Ray 1; 2nd Ray 9; 3rd Ray 6; 4th Ray 4; 5th Ray 6; 6th Ray 8; 7th Ray 2



CHART POINTS

THE MOON

THE MOON IN AQUARIUS
Instinct for interconnection (all things) & breadth (diverse interests) as sources of genius. Intellectually rebellious, curious, investigative, futuristic. Science, analysis, discovery. Free spirit + social responsibility. Sexually curious; strange marital conditions. Humane: sympathetic to others’ troubles. Social idealist, reformer. Avoids “herd mind.” Occultists. Space, astronomy, astrology, sci fi, etc.

THE MOON IN THE 6TH HOUSE
Focus on service as mode of self-completion (many "helpers"). Emotional martyrdom in partnering. Hesitancy to freely respond to a situation (emotional repression?). Moody, frequent job changes, considerate of coworkers.

HOUSE RULED BY THE MOON
RULES 11TH HOUSE (Modern)
The Eleventh House is about your friendships and relationship with groups of people. It is also about your hopes and dreams. Other exoteric and esoteric keywords include: Friends and social acquaintances, groups and organisations and their activities, the New Group of World Servers.

MODERN DISPOSITOR: URANUS
DISPOSITOR'S HOUSE: 11TH HOUSE
The Eleventh House is about your friendships and relationship with groups of people. It is also about your hopes and dreams. Other exoteric and esoteric keywords include: Friends and social acquaintances, groups and organisations and their activities, the New Group of World Servers.

DISPOSITOR'S SIGN: CANCER
Of the nature of Moon and Jupiter, and unlike Saturn and Mars.

ASPECTS OF THE MOON
SEXTILE MARS Orb 1°31' Applying
Active-reactive; temper. Detests idleness. Driven, competent, ambitious. Impatient, acerbic, irritable. Frank, sharp-tongued (friction in relationships). Needs physical, emotional, & mental room to breathe. Possible substance abuse. Sexual needs strong, irrepressible.



THE SUN

THE SUN IN VIRGO
Strategic, tactical, analytical, logical, scrutinizing. Encyclopedic knowledge. Favors trees over forest. Innocent air, modest. Tolerant, tactful, congenial, serious. Courageous in word & deed. Service-minded, conscientious, efficient. Principle over convenience. Active toward social progress (rarely radical).

THE SUN IN THE 1ST HOUSE
Proud, authoritative, non-reciprocal. Strong and enthusiastic self-projection to environment. Sense of goal or direction. Vitality.

HOUSE RULED BY THE SUN
RULES 12TH HOUSE (Modern)
The Twelfth House is about endings. It is about your hidden strengths and weaknesses. It is also about institutions such as hospitals, jails, libraries and the armed services. Other exoteric and esoteric keywords include: Institutions, fears, hidden enemies, the collective unconscious, spirituality, unredeemed karma, selfless service to humanity.

MODERN DISPOSITOR: MERCURY
DISPOSITOR'S HOUSE: 2ND HOUSE
The Second House is about your own resources. It describes what you value ranging from physical possessions and money, to personal self esteem and talents. Other exoteric and esoteric keywords include: resources, both personal and financial, values and attitudes, possessions, self-esteem, acquisitions, prana.

DISPOSITOR'S SIGN: LIBRA
Of the nature of Venus and Saturn, and unlike Pluto, Mars, and Sun.

ASPECTS OF THE SUN
The Sun has no aspects to subsequent chart points.

MERCURY

MERCURY IN LIBRA
Courteous, well-mannered expression. Tactful, gracious, persuasive, pleasant (sarcastic, withholding). Mediator, negotiator, peace-maker, diplomat (idealist). Masters of finding common denominators. Mind has considerable intensity.

MERCURY IN THE 2ND HOUSE
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HOUSES RULED BY MERCURY
RULES 1ST HOUSE (Modern)
The First House is about identity. It describes your personality - how you see yourself and how others see you. It can also describe your physical appearance. Other exoteric and esoteric keywords include: the self, ego, anima, projected image, expression of inner motivation, physical appearance, soul purpose, initial approach to life, the aura.
RULES 10TH HOUSE (Modern)
The Tenth House is about your public life. It shows your standing in the community, career, social status and can reflect your attitude to parenting. Other exoteric and esoteric keywords include: Honor, authority, career and profession, life direction, achievement, Masters and Hierarchy.

MODERN DISPOSITOR: VENUS
DISPOSITOR'S HOUSE: 2ND HOUSE
The Second House is about your own resources. It describes what you value ranging from physical possessions and money, to personal self esteem and talents. Other exoteric and esoteric keywords include: resources, both personal and financial, values and attitudes, possessions, self-esteem, acquisitions, prana.

DISPOSITOR'S SIGN: SCORPIO
Of the nature of Mars, and unlike Venus and Moon.

ASPECTS OF MERCURY
CONJUNCTION SATURN Orb 2°24' Separating
Organizes and formats information in orderly arrangements. (Often blazingly quick thinkers once the framework is established; cf. a spreadsheet.) Methodical, logical, often routinized thinking processes. Skeptical, scrutinizing (distrustful). Obstinate in the absence of new evidence. Hesitant until oriented, then decisive, e.g., learning starts slowly, then catch up quickly. Gifted with considerable mental power, but easily discouraged (doubting). Treats life seriously. Needs to learn how to play.



VENUS

VENUS IN SCORPIO
Passionate, highly-sexed (strong emotions; moody). Friendly, outgoing, likeable. Affections impulsive & adventurous: enters intimate relationships quickly (but easily rebuffed). Social outsiders early in life, less so in maturity. Impression of sizeable secrets. Need feeling of freedom in romance; not inherently monogamous.

VENUS IN THE 2ND HOUSE
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HOUSES RULED BY VENUS
RULES 2ND HOUSE (Modern)
The Second House is about your own resources. It describes what you value ranging from physical possessions and money, to personal self esteem and talents. Other exoteric and esoteric keywords include: resources, both personal and financial, values and attitudes, possessions, self-esteem, acquisitions, prana.
RULES 9TH HOUSE (Modern)
The Ninth House is about higher learning. It covers academic subjects, law, religion, publishing, foreign culture, sport, overseas travel and philosophy. Other exoteric and esoteric keywords include: Philosophy, religion, higher education, distant travel, cultural learning, publishing, the journey along the Path, the Ageless Wisdom, akashic records.

MODERN DISPOSITOR: MARS
DISPOSITOR'S HOUSE: 4TH HOUSE
The Fourth House is about home and family. It describes your roots, your heritage and your private life. Other exoteric and esoteric keywords include: home life, roots, family and relations, psychological foundations,biological inheritance, place of abode, the ashram, karma.

DISPOSITOR'S SIGN: SAGITTARIUS
Of the nature of Jupiter, and unlike Mercury.

ASPECTS OF VENUS
SEXTILE MARS Orb 2°57' Applying
Passion (in all senses), feels powerfully about things, seeks vivid experiences. Sexual passions mature early, continue late, rarely encumbered by too many conditions. Fun-loving, loves romance: interesting, likable, sociable horny people.

TRINE JUPITER Orb 1°44' Applying
Warm, friendly, giving, hospitable, popular. Desires positive attention & appreciation (usually gets it). At home in comfort. Unusual luck opens doors. Inclined to indulgence or extravagance. A little “spoiled.”

TRINE URANUS Orb 1°27' Applying
Pleasure needs are free from social convention or taboo; enjoys diverse social & sexual experiences. Approach friendship, love, & sex impersonally, on their own terms (deep instinct for flexibility & freedom). Popular, friendly, flirtatious, roguish.

SQUARE PLUTO Orb 0°13' Applying
“All or nothing” emotional intensity instinctively rejects others’ (moral and other) arbitrary values on love, sex, art. Typically has few intimates, and those of unfiltered intensity. Halfway measures are not enough; in human connection, the feeling is, “go cosmic, or go home.” Those expressing the ALL mode seek deep, penetrating connections (sometimes overwhelming intimates, sometimes inadvertently challenging social codes). Those in the NOTHING mode may choose it innocently or withdraw from people in response to repeated rebuke and ostracism. For both, sexual development may come late, as adolescent social rituals seem perplexingly arbitrary. Either may experience eruptive trouble in relationships. Either, by their intensity, can be commandingly charismatic.



MARS

MARS IN SAGITTARIUS
Idealist (not necessarily pragmatic). Serious about subjects of interest: sincere, devoted, studious (seems hardworking; it's really love or zeal). Passionate with beliefs; moral courage; persuasive. Innovative, ambitious, strategic. Thrives in classic styles. Many exude air of mystery or fantasy (branding?). Many are identified with ideologies, -ists, & -isms.

MARS IN THE 4TH HOUSE
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HOUSE RULED BY MARS
RULES 3RD HOUSE (Modern)
The Third House is about communication. It also refers to early learning, siblings, immediate environment and short journeys. Other exoteric and esoteric keywords include: mental processes and communication, active search for knowledge, early learning, siblings, short journeys, telepathy and mental energy.

MODERN DISPOSITOR: JUPITER
DISPOSITOR'S HOUSE: 11TH HOUSE
The Eleventh House is about your friendships and relationship with groups of people. It is also about your hopes and dreams. Other exoteric and esoteric keywords include: Friends and social acquaintances, groups and organisations and their activities, the New Group of World Servers.

DISPOSITOR'S SIGN: CANCER
Of the nature of Moon and Jupiter, and unlike Saturn and Mars.

ASPECTS OF MARS
SQUARE NEPTUNE Orb 2°25' Applying
Obsessive, concentrated, with enormous psychic power to fascinate and move minds and reality, in a thriving life of high drama. Requires rapid conformity of reality to wants (usually gets it); surges into temptation; impatient with frustrated gratification, yet often can mobilize great stamina for long-term vision. Imagination and emotion are supercharged; thrives in conditions of stirred passion. Zealous enthusiasm for interests and convictions. Can compel a nearly religious following, as if by pure will (can be manipulative). Aggressions can be dramatic; unresolved anger patterns trigger in response to frustrations. High IQ. Sexually magnetic yet wrestles with sexual demons and doubts. (This aspect is most comprehensively expressed by high dopamine levels and dopamine-driven behavior.)



JUPITER

JUPITER IN CANCER
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JUPITER IN THE 11TH HOUSE
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HOUSE RULED BY JUPITER
RULES 4TH HOUSE (Modern)
The Fourth House is about home and family. It describes your roots, your heritage and your private life. Other exoteric and esoteric keywords include: home life, roots, family and relations, psychological foundations,biological inheritance, place of abode, the ashram, karma.

MODERN DISPOSITOR: THE MOON
DISPOSITOR'S HOUSE: 6TH HOUSE
The Sixth House is about day to day life. It is about work, health, the service you give and your habits. It also relates to small animals. Other exoteric and esoteric keywords include: health, daily routine, working environment, skills, pets and animals, service

DISPOSITOR'S SIGN: AQUARIUS
Of the nature of Uranus, and unlike Sun.

ASPECTS OF JUPITER
Jupiter has no text available for aspects to subsequent chart points.

SATURN

SATURN IN LIBRA
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SATURN IN THE 2ND HOUSE
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HOUSE RULED BY SATURN
RULES 5TH HOUSE (Modern)
The Fifth House is about creativity. This can include artistic pursuits, hobbies, recreation, children and lovers. Other exoteric and esoteric keywords include: Creative self-expression, love affairs, procreation and children, leisure, hobbies, games and sports, self-fulfilment, joy and bliss.

MODERN DISPOSITOR: VENUS
DISPOSITOR'S HOUSE: 2ND HOUSE
The Second House is about your own resources. It describes what you value ranging from physical possessions and money, to personal self esteem and talents. Other exoteric and esoteric keywords include: resources, both personal and financial, values and attitudes, possessions, self-esteem, acquisitions, prana.

DISPOSITOR'S SIGN: SCORPIO
Of the nature of Mars, and unlike Venus and Moon.

ASPECTS OF SATURN
Saturn has no text available for aspects to subsequent chart points.

URANUS

URANUS IN CANCER
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URANUS IN THE 11TH HOUSE
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HOUSE RULED BY URANUS
RULES 6TH HOUSE (Modern)
The Sixth House is about day to day life. It is about work, health, the service you give and your habits. It also relates to small animals. Other exoteric and esoteric keywords include: health, daily routine, working environment, skills, pets and animals, service

MODERN DISPOSITOR: THE MOON
DISPOSITOR'S HOUSE: 6TH HOUSE
The Sixth House is about day to day life. It is about work, health, the service you give and your habits. It also relates to small animals. Other exoteric and esoteric keywords include: health, daily routine, working environment, skills, pets and animals, service

DISPOSITOR'S SIGN: AQUARIUS
Of the nature of Uranus, and unlike Sun.

ASPECTS OF URANUS
Uranus has no text available for aspects to subsequent chart points.

NEPTUNE

NEPTUNE IN LIBRA
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NEPTUNE IN THE 1ST HOUSE
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HOUSE RULED BY NEPTUNE
RULES 7TH HOUSE (Modern)
The Seventh House is about partnerships. This can be partnerships in business, marriage or a committed relationship. Other exoteric and esoteric keywords include: business partnerships, marriage, long-term associations, open enemies, the animus, the relationship between soul and personality.

MODERN DISPOSITOR: VENUS
DISPOSITOR'S HOUSE: 2ND HOUSE
The Second House is about your own resources. It describes what you value ranging from physical possessions and money, to personal self esteem and talents. Other exoteric and esoteric keywords include: resources, both personal and financial, values and attitudes, possessions, self-esteem, acquisitions, prana.

DISPOSITOR'S SIGN: SCORPIO
Of the nature of Mars, and unlike Venus and Moon.

ASPECTS OF NEPTUNE
Neptune has no text available for aspects to subsequent chart points.

PLUTO

PLUTO IN LEO
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PLUTO IN THE 12TH HOUSE
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HOUSE RULED BY PLUTO
RULES 8TH HOUSE (Modern)
The Eighth House is about the support you receive from other people. It is the house of regeneration, and covers death, sex, legal matters, and metaphysics. Other exoteric and esoteric keywords include: Transformation and regeneration, resources of others, sexuality, death, transmutation, battles, the Path of discipleship.

MODERN DISPOSITOR: THE SUN
DISPOSITOR'S HOUSE: 1ST HOUSE
The First House is about identity. It describes your personality - how you see yourself and how others see you. It can also describe your physical appearance. Other exoteric and esoteric keywords include: the self, ego, anima, projected image, expression of inner motivation, physical appearance, soul purpose, initial approach to life, the aura.

DISPOSITOR'S SIGN: VIRGO
Of the nature of Mercury, and unlike Neptune and Venus.

ASPECTS OF PLUTO
Pluto has no text available for aspects to subsequent chart points.

ERIS

ERIS IN PISCES
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ERIS IN THE 7TH HOUSE
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HOUSES RULED BY ERIS
Has No Modern Rulerships.

MODERN DISPOSITOR: NEPTUNE
DISPOSITOR'S HOUSE: 1ST HOUSE
The First House is about identity. It describes your personality - how you see yourself and how others see you. It can also describe your physical appearance. Other exoteric and esoteric keywords include: the self, ego, anima, projected image, expression of inner motivation, physical appearance, soul purpose, initial approach to life, the aura.

DISPOSITOR'S SIGN: LIBRA
Of the nature of Venus and Saturn, and unlike Pluto, Mars, and Sun.

ASPECTS OF ERIS
Eris has no aspects to subsequent chart points.

THE NORTH NODE

THE NORTH NODE IN SAGITTARIUS
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THE NORTH NODE IN THE 4TH HOUSE
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HOUSES RULED BY THE NORTH NODE
Has No Modern Rulerships.

MODERN DISPOSITOR: JUPITER
DISPOSITOR'S HOUSE: 11TH HOUSE
The Eleventh House is about your friendships and relationship with groups of people. It is also about your hopes and dreams. Other exoteric and esoteric keywords include: Friends and social acquaintances, groups and organisations and their activities, the New Group of World Servers.

DISPOSITOR'S SIGN: CANCER
Of the nature of Moon and Jupiter, and unlike Saturn and Mars.

ASPECTS OF THE NORTH NODE
The North Node has no text available for aspects to subsequent chart points.

THE ASCENDANT

THE ASCENDANT IN VIRGO
No text available for this topic.

THE ASCENDANT IN THE 1ST HOUSE
No text available for this topic.

HOUSES RULED BY THE ASCENDANT
Has No Modern Rulerships.

MODERN DISPOSITOR: MERCURY
DISPOSITOR'S HOUSE: 2ND HOUSE
The Second House is about your own resources. It describes what you value ranging from physical possessions and money, to personal self esteem and talents. Other exoteric and esoteric keywords include: resources, both personal and financial, values and attitudes, possessions, self-esteem, acquisitions, prana.

DISPOSITOR'S SIGN: LIBRA
Of the nature of Venus and Saturn, and unlike Pluto, Mars, and Sun.

ASPECTS OF THE ASCENDANT
The Ascendant has no text available for aspects to subsequent chart points.

THE MIDHEAVEN

THE MIDHEAVEN IN GEMINI
No text available for this topic.

THE MIDHEAVEN IN THE 10TH HOUSE
No text available for this topic.

HOUSES RULED BY THE MIDHEAVEN
Has No Modern Rulerships.

MODERN DISPOSITOR: MERCURY
DISPOSITOR'S HOUSE: 2ND HOUSE
The Second House is about your own resources. It describes what you value ranging from physical possessions and money, to personal self esteem and talents. Other exoteric and esoteric keywords include: resources, both personal and financial, values and attitudes, possessions, self-esteem, acquisitions, prana.

DISPOSITOR'S SIGN: LIBRA
Of the nature of Venus and Saturn, and unlike Pluto, Mars, and Sun.

ASPECTS OF THE MIDHEAVEN
The Midheaven has no text available for aspects to subsequent chart points.

EQ.ASC.

EQ.ASC. IN VIRGO
No text available for this topic.

EQ.ASC. IN THE 12TH HOUSE
No text available for this topic.

HOUSES RULED BY EQ.ASC.
Has No Modern Rulerships.

MODERN DISPOSITOR: MERCURY
DISPOSITOR'S HOUSE: 2ND HOUSE
The Second House is about your own resources. It describes what you value ranging from physical possessions and money, to personal self esteem and talents. Other exoteric and esoteric keywords include: resources, both personal and financial, values and attitudes, possessions, self-esteem, acquisitions, prana.

DISPOSITOR'S SIGN: LIBRA
Of the nature of Venus and Saturn, and unlike Pluto, Mars, and Sun.

ASPECTS OF EQ.ASC.
Eq.Asc. has no aspects to subsequent chart points.

[Jim Eshelman]

Here is SF's Synastry Report for you and the speculative chart for Terry. I had started to rewrite it a bit 14 years ago, didn't get very far.

SOLAR FIRE INTERPRETATIONS REPORT

Synastry Interpretations

(c) James A. Eshelman 2008, All Rights Reserved

[THIS INTRODUCTION IS THE SOLAR FIRE DEFAULT. IT WAS NOT WRITTEN BY JAMES A. ESHELMAN AND NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.]

This report has been written to introduce you to the concepts of astrology and how to get started in relationship astrology. Astrology is a complex and meaningful science which takes years to study and apply successfully; however, we would like to whet your appetite with this report, and encourage you to deepen your understanding through other means.

Astrology is a study of the connection between planets and life on Earth. It is based on a concept that energy patterns form between other planets and Earth and that these energies affect our lives as individuals and communities.

An astrological chart, also known as a horoscope, natal chart, or birth chart, records the relationship between the planets and the signs of the Zodiac. Charts can be calculated for the birth of a person, a community, an event or anything that seems momentous. The horoscope is as individual and unique as a fingerprint.

When using these interpretations, please bear in mind that, inevitably, every chart will contain some contradictory influences, and as a result certain interpretations of different items in the same chart may seem difficult to reconcile. However, this may still be an accurate reflection your chart, as it is likely that you do experience conflicting desires, events and circumstances in your life. Usually it is the responsibility of an astrologer to synthesise these apparent contradictions in order to present a cohesive and realistic interpretation of the dilemmas of the chart.

Please also be aware of the fact that each person has positive and negative influences in the chart, and therefore in their lives. The challenge is to accept and overcome the negative influences, so that we can successfully focus on the positive traits. This report outlines the influence of both people's charts on each other. This is called relationship synastry meaning the comparison of two horoscopes and the correlations discovered. It is likely that the report will show both the strengths and weaknesses of the relationship synastry. Any advice given is meant to be an aid to a person taking responsibility for their own lives and their own choices within a relationship. The ultimate decision rests with each individual. The author and publisher accept no liability for any adverse affects of this report.

Australian astrologer Stephanie Johnson has written the text in this report. Stephanie holds a Bachelor of Arts (Journalism) and was a journalist in Australia, England and the USA for 15 years before becoming a professional astrologer. She is currently a consulting astrologer, is Company Director of Esoteric Technologies Pty Ltd in Adelaide, Australia and Editor of the Australian Data Collection. She holds the FAA Practitioners' qualification and was a former editor of the Journal of the Federation of Australian Astrologers. Stephanie has also completed the Robert Zoller Certificate in Medieval Astrology. In 2000 she was awarded an FAA Diploma for her share in the development of the Solar Fire range of astrological software products.


SYNASTRY CHART DETAILS

Mikestar13 (Nelson) - Natal Chart
Apr 1 1957, 8:23 am, PST +8:00
Huntington Park CA, 33°N58'54'', 118°W13'27''
Geocentric Fagan-Allen Zodiac
Campanus Houses, True Node


Mikestar13's mate (Terry) - Natal Chart
Nov 11 1961, 3:03 pm, PST +8:00
San Bernardino CA, 34°N07'17'', 117°W18'08''
Geocentric Fagan-Allen Zodiac
Campanus Houses, True Node


ASPECTS FROM MIKESTAR13 (NELSON) TO MIKESTAR13'S MATE (TERRY)


Mikestar13's Moon Square Mikestar13's's Saturn
Orb 1°38' Separating
This aspect is often present among lifelong friends, but is not particularly conducive to domestic happiness together because you want different sorts of living environments and day-to-day conditions. Mikestar13 wants to "settle in" with Mikestar13's.Mikestar13's tends to be more removed, but without being cold; for example (but only one variation), Mikestar13's may be quite affectionate to Mikestar13 but already committed and "unavailable," or simply not interested except in a casual contact.




Mikestar13's Sun Conjunction Mikestar13's's Ascendant
Orb 2°31' Applying





Mikestar13's Mercury Square Mikestar13's's Saturn
Orb 0°59' Applying
Not the best aspect for communication (especially emotional communication). The two seem closed-eared to what each other has to say, offering it little respect and subconsciously shutting it out. This is not comfortable for business associations, or for teacher-pupil situations.

Mikestar13's Mercury Trine Mikestar13's's North Node
Orb 1°09' Separating





Mikestar13's Venus Square Mikestar13's's Midheaven
Orb 0°07' Applying
Mikestar13 loves Mikestar13's. There is real, serious, penetrating, moving love here. Not every pair of people with this interchange will have an affection that is major and enduring - some will just be friendly and passing - but it is pleasant and friendly, and those that have something else to anchor them become some of the most important and dear of relationships. This is the single most-represented aspect between charts of married couples.




Mikestar13's Mars Square Mikestar13's's Pluto
Orb 0°32' Applying
There is a strong need for intensive physical expression of some sort. In sexual relationships the energy is explosive. In non-sexual relationships the risk for conflict is higher, because the same kind of "blow me away explosion" is manifested by the aspect.




Mikestar13's Jupiter Trine Mikestar13's's Saturn
Orb 0°11' Applying





Mikestar13's Saturn Trine Mikestar13's's Ascendant
Orb 0°03' Applying
Mikestar13 represents a burden to Mikestar13's, but not necessarily an unwanted one. Mikestar13 is a limitation or frustration, and may find it impossible to entirely respect Mikestar13's. Mikestar13 somehow keeps distance from Mikestar13's or "draws a line." - The relationship may be a valued one, but, due to these limits, it will not likely be what it might have been.




Mikestar13's Uranus Square Mikestar13's's Mercury
Orb 1°42' Applying
Mikestar13, by lifestyle or mode of thinking, opens new possibilities for Mikestar13's and introduces Mikestar13's to new mental wonders. There is considerable excitement, and Mikestar13's (who is probably utterly fascinated by all this) may be led into entirely new fields of investigation.

Mikestar13's Uranus Square Mikestar13's's Venus
Orb 2°03' Applying
Mikestar13's is captivated by Mikestar13's originality, freshness, and unexpected actions. The two probably met while traveling or in a similar opportunistic situation. Mikestar13's considers Mikestar13 a unique person, outside the norm, while Mikestar13 is thrilled to have such an attractive admirer. This relationship may be characterized by significant age-difference or class difference.

Mikestar13's Uranus Opposition Mikestar13's's Jupiter
Orb 1°54' Applying





Mikestar13's Neptune Sextile Mikestar13's's Moon
Orb 1°39' Separating
Madness is in the air! Mikestar13 in particular is totally flustered or embarrassed by Mikestar13's's presence, and, desiring to set things aright and hide own insecurity, Mikestar13 babbles on to his/her utter mortification. This aspect causes much confusion between you, and Mikestar13's especially may not know where he/she stands in the relationship. At the same time, this indicates much emotional sensitivity between you, and easy empathy.

Mikestar13's Neptune Conjunction Mikestar13's's Mercury
Orb 0°35' Applying
Mikestar13 seems incapable of clearly understanding what Mikestar13's is saying the first time around - or even the second. They are on totally different planes of communication, Mikestar13 becoming more confused and unsure as Mikestar13's tries to back statements with logic and reason.

Mikestar13's Neptune Conjunction Mikestar13's's Venus
Orb 0°55' Applying
This is an aspect of romance, which often provides the shared willingness to overlook "the little stuff" to permit a generally sound relationship to persist. On the pleasant side, it can lead to luxuriating together in sexual indulgence; but, whether close friends or bitter foes, Mikestar13 may never feel entirely at ease in Mikestar13's's presence.

Mikestar13's Neptune Square Mikestar13's's Jupiter
Orb 0°47' Applying


Mikestar13's Neptune Sextile Mikestar13's's Uranus
Orb 1°33' Applying





Mikestar13's Pluto Sextile Mikestar13's's Mercury
Orb 2°56' Separating


Mikestar13's Pluto Sextile Mikestar13's's Venus
Orb 2°36' Separating


Mikestar13's Pluto Square Mikestar13's's Mars
Orb 0°17' Separating
There is a strong need for intensive physical expression of some sort. In sexual relationships the energy is explosive. In non-sexual relationships the risk for conflict is higher, because the same kind of "blow me away explosion" is manifested by the aspect.

Mikestar13's Pluto Conjunction Mikestar13's's Uranus
Orb 1°57' Separating





Eris has no text available for aspects to subsequent chart points.


Mikestar13's North Node Conjunction Mikestar13's's Sun
Orb 0°47' Applying





The Ascendant has no aspects to subsequent chart points.


The Midheaven has no text available for aspects to subsequent chart points.


Eq.Asc. has no text available for aspects to subsequent chart points.

[Jim Eshelman]

Here is SF's midpoint report for your chart.

SOLAR FIRE INTERPRETATIONS REPORT

Solar Fire Midpoint Interpretations

(c) 2008, Esoteric Technologies Pty LtdSome Interpretations are from:Roderick Kidston, Aquarius Communications, 2003-10

This report provides you with a list and interpretations of the planets or points and their aspects to midpoints in your chart. You will note the number of items in this midpoint report can vary depending on the modulus degree value and orb that are selected. The modulus degree value is associated with a harmonic of the chart. For example, selecting a modulus of 360° will show planets to midpoints that are conjunct in a normal 360° chart wheel. Selecting a modulus of 90° (the 4th harmonic) shows planets to midpoints that are in either conjunction, opposition or square to the midpoint. For general midpoint work, the 90° modulus is the one normally used but other values may also be used.

The order in which planet to midpoint is presented is based on the degree from Aries to Pisces the midpoint is placed. This is the same order as used in Solar Fire's Midpoint Axes and Midpoint Trees reports.

The Solar Fire Midpoint interpretations text has been written by UK astrologer Julian Venables. Julian works in England as a client-based astrologer, teaching beginners’ classes as well as conducting private tuition. He holds a certificate from The Faculty of Astrological Studies and has completed his Diploma studies and Exams. Julian was on the committee of The Astrology Lodge of London and is a member of The Astrological Association of Great Britain.


CHART DETAILS

Mikestar13 (Nelson) - Natal Chart
Apr 1 1957, 8:23 am, PST +8:00
Huntington Park CA, 33°N58'54'', 118°W13'27''
Geocentric Fagan-Allen Zodiac
Campanus Houses, True Node


PLANETS TO MIDPOINTS

Modulus 45°00' - Max Orb 1°00'


Mars = Saturn / Ascendant -0°02'
You like to force yourself away from gloomy or dejected feelings by changing your situation. You can find yourself in stormy situations that end up in separations.

Mars = Moon / Mercury +0°51'
You might have a direct and impulsive way of communicating and responding to the world around you. Speaking and talking is delivered with plenty of passion.

Moon = Venus / Midheaven +0°08'
You experience deep feelings of love, attachment and nurturing towards others and in your relationships. You might be quite ‘motherly’ and are known for being warm hearted and affectionate.

Moon = Jupiter / Pluto +0°11'
You have a hypnotic ability to use your feelings to influence people. You like to improve the environment around you and the conditions of all people. Your deeply intuitive and searching nature makes you a good analyst and researcher.

Moon = Mars / Saturn +0°19'
Your emotional nature is weakened and you might feel weary when expressing your feelings. You could experience bouts of depression and might feel separated from family members due to disputes.

Moon = Eris / Midheaven +0°24'
No text available for this topic.

Saturn = Venus / North Node -0°02'
You might find it difficult to adapt to your contacts and with others, leading to shyness and inhibitions in creating love unions.

Saturn = Eris / Eq.Asc. +0°04'
No text available for this topic.

Saturn = Moon / Neptune -0°08'
You might feel repressed and held back by the company you keep and the general atmosphere around you. Try to avoid a pessimistic or depressive attitude and take authority and responsibility of your sensitive nature.

Saturn = Venus / Eq.Asc. -0°12'
No text available for this topic.

Saturn = Eris / North Node +0°13'
No text available for this topic.

Saturn = Jupiter / Ascendant +0°23'
You can feel somewhat estranged and distant from your associations and the people around you. A cool attitude towards others and in your relationships leads to disaffection and unfriendliness, when you want the opposite.

Saturn = Moon / Uranus +0°26' d
You keep feelings of excitement and your rebellious nature tightly contained and under self-control. When they do burst out it can cause separations or damage. You might get ill through resisting your physical energy flow and holding back energy.

Saturn = Mercury / Uranus -0°53' d
You find you need to separate yourself from your thoughts. Thinking can get very serious and create nervous tension. You might have to act quickly to overcome inhibitions. You understand difficulties and have innovative ideas that help you to advance slowly and steadily through life.

Saturn = Sun / Midheaven -1°00'
Your life’s mission might be full of responsibilities. Individual progress and advancement might be difficult but by applying continuous effort you get good results and avoid failure.

Neptune = Mars / Jupiter +0°23'
Your enterprising ideas and business plans may be impractical or unrealistic. Your drive for success could be clouded in a dream world that leads you to making the wrong decisions and leading to possible failure and hopelessness.

Neptune = Sun / North Node -0°54'
Your links to others are intangible and dreamy. You are stimulated into growth by fantasy and illusion and need to look out for disappointments. You might deceive others unintentionally possibly creating annoyance or anger.

Uranus = Venus / Pluto +0°25'
You can suddenly wake up to love and it turns your life around. Love at first sight is possible and you might enjoy some unusual experimentations and experiences in your relationships.

Uranus = Pluto / Eris +0°40'
No text available for this topic.

Uranus = Mars / Jupiter -0°45' d
You are likely to want independence in your creative enterprises and business plans. You make your most fortunate decisions suddenly and quickly. Your energy and drive is based around attaining freedom.

Jupiter = Sun / Mars +0°29'
You get successful whenever you take action. You have plenty of energy available to you with a positive and optimistic outlook on life. Your career gets more and more powerful as you progress towards your goal.

Jupiter = Neptune / Eq.Asc. +0°45'
No text available for this topic.

Jupiter = Mars / Eris -0°55'
No text available for this topic.

Jupiter = Neptune / North Node +0°55'
You put too much expectation on your team or group of contacts, which leads to disappointment. Be careful not to be exploited or demoralised by others, you can be easily misled.

Midheaven = Neptune / Pluto +0°12'
Your life direction incorporates spiritual and mystical tendencies. One of your aspirations might be to delve into the meaning of your soul and develop self-knowledge and wisdom. You could be known for being rather strange and peculiar.

Midheaven = Moon / Ascendant +0°32'
You might have a specific individual attitude or habit pattern you express when in the presence of others. Personal relationships might directly influence your life direction.

Midheaven = Uranus / Pluto +0°46' d
Your aspirations are to bring great changes through revolutions if necessary and you are constantly restless and creative to that end. If your vocation and career can incorporate innovations and reforms, you will be happy. You know how to get the most out of every situation.

Midheaven = Mercury / Ascendant -0°46'
Your career or vocation might focus on speaking or negotiating with others. You might have an independent attitude and are known for speaking out your own opinions.

Eq.Asc. = Moon / Saturn +0°37'
No text available for this topic.

Eq.Asc. = Mercury / Saturn -0°42'
No text available for this topic.

Eq.Asc. = Mars / Neptune +0°48'
No text available for this topic.

North Node = Moon / Saturn +0°18'
You might find that the people you get stimulated by and want to make contact with are no help on your life’s path. This could result in a tendency to shun the people who are useful to you.

North Node = Mars / Neptune +0°29'
You could act unreliably towards contacts and associations. You are drawn towards strange behaviour and untrustworthy people.

Venus = Saturn / Uranus +0°12' d
You might find the harmonious love relationships you look for are beset with tensions and stresses leading to conflicts and separations.

Venus = Saturn / Neptune -0°22'
Your affections, attractions and sex drive can be restricted and expressed weakly or feebly leading to little success in love relationships.

Venus = Pluto / Eq.Asc. +0°38'
No text available for this topic.

Venus = Pluto / North Node +0°47' d
You can be very compelling and you might draw lovers to you like a magnet. Your power of attraction and use of affection is strong, but the deep and intense ties you make with partners can sometimes result in calamity and heartbreak.

Eris = Pluto / Eq.Asc. +0°07'
No text available for this topic.

Eris = Pluto / North Node +0°17' d
No text available for this topic.

Eris = Saturn / Uranus -0°18' d
No text available for this topic.

Eris = Mercury / Jupiter +0°32'
No text available for this topic.

Eris = Ascendant / Midheaven +0°40' d
No text available for this topic.

Eris = Saturn / Neptune -0°52'
No text available for this topic.

Sun = Ascendant / Eq.Asc. +0°19'
No text available for this topic.

Sun = Mars / Midheaven +0°23' d
You have determined will power that you can use to get success in life by overcoming any obstacles with inner strength. People will notice you and you have an ability to give orders.

Sun = North Node / Ascendant +0°29'
You make a good entertainer and a networker. You should be on everybody’s invitation list. You enjoy meeting new people and making good associations.

Sun = Moon / Jupiter -0°57'
You might feel optimistic and uplifted with this point. You are probably quite contented and enjoy a peaceful and happy life.

Pluto = Jupiter / Neptune +0°07'
You might have an all-encompassing plan that is too great to actualise, yet you compulsively persist with it. You might experience a great defeat and failure of a happy plan and idealistic situation.

Pluto = Jupiter / Uranus +0°41' d
You know what you want and nothing stops you from getting it. You might feel a compulsion to delve into some belief or religion in order to get understanding.

Ascendant = Moon / Sun -0°12'
You have a positive open expression towards others. Your approach and the way you meet life is well balanced with overall emotional stability. You might find other people want to meet you so new contacts and friendships are easy to make.

Ascendant = Mars / Pluto -0°29'
You meet life with courage and daring and are able to face your adversaries with determination and strength.

Ascendant = Jupiter / Midheaven +0°39' d
Your general approach to the world is harmonious and happy, people like to meet you and get to know you because of your harmonious outlook. You like to get involved in social events and your relationships bring contentment.

Ascendant = Venus / Neptune +0°48'
You might have an odd way of expressing your love and attraction and be influenced by mysterious or strange people that can lead to disappointment and loss of love.

Mercury = Saturn / Ascendant +0°25'
Your thinking process and mental state fluctuate according to the environment you are in, leading you to gruff communications and a short fuse temperament. A change of environment helps you to change your mind.

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[mikestar13]

Solar Fire's delineations of Sidereal horoscopes displays a lot of tropicalist thinking.

[Jim Eshelman]

It's innate in the structure of the interpretations. Nothing in their interpretations is inherently Sidereal, not is it labelled that way - any such hint is from my loading my own paragraphs.

BTW, I just posted a crude but I think conceptually sound example of how a lunar return interpretation might look.
viewtopic.php?f=21&t=5467&p=45838#p45838

[mikestar13]

Any generic interpretation you can write I can code how to pick out the right ones. Version 0.7 will establish the framework for calculating them, then different chart types can be added as they are written. Lots of time to see what you may be inspired to write, getting versions 0.5 and 0.6 nailed down will take a while. It may be towards the end of the year when I am ready to code 0.7.

[mikestar13]

The revised solunars page: https://i.imgur.com/Qd0BzcY.jpg

Mike6.jpeg

Anlunars will be in this release, and there is space to add enneads, KSR, and KLR when I implement them.

I have made some new revisions to the Ingresses page to conform to the formatting of the Solunars page: https://i.imgur.com/4Y6NKqM.jpg

Mike7.jpeg

[Jim Eshelman]

Nice

I wonder - since you have room - it might be a lot clearer after "Solar" and "Lunar" to put, respectively, "SSR" or "(SSR)" and "SLR." This keeps those core-technique terms alive and instantly distinguishes from other "solar" or "lunar" returns like the Anlunar, Ennead, kinetics, etc.

A minor aside (not sure that I have a clear opinion, but it came to mind): I'm trying to look at all these pages as if I don't already know the program, trying to see how I'd react to it the first moment I see it. For me (and anyone used to the program), "Permanent" and "Temporary" are obvious, but for someone who doesn't know the program - installs it then starts to run it - the real concept (but wordier) is, "Save This Chart" vs. "Don't Save This Chart," or something like that. Not enough room to do it quite that way, so maybe the current words are indeed the most efficient.

I also wonder if "Time UT HMS" shouldn't be "Time HMS UT." Aside from the trivial matter that HMS next to "Time" fits, the real advantage is that it puts "UT" immediately next to the first blank. To this day, far more often than not, I keep forgetting that the time I have to input is UT instead of zone time for the event, and it might help if the UT initials were right next to where I'm typing.

And, while on the UT issue, any chance that we could put a number greater than 12 in the Hours field and have it automatically recognized as 24-hour notation (flip the flag to AM, e.g.)? I never think of UT except in 24-hour notation, and (as long as you are redefining some of the basics from ground up) this would add general flexibility to data input on every input page (where one could select AM/PM format in options but still put in 24-hour notation on a whim). (LOL, "I never think of UT except in 24-hour notation" brings up the ironic geek joke, "It's not like UT is GMT or somethin'." <g>)

[mikestar13]

I will consider the other changes and will definitely use SSR and SLR. Do anlunars have a TLA or should I just spell it out? When added, Ennead will be spelled out, and we will have KSR and KLR when I do progressions. Likely I will do all of them. I won't bother with new screenshots.

[Jim Eshelman]

Do anlunars have a TLA or should I just spell it out?

I think you should spell it out for clarity. I've used SAR (Sidereal Anlunar Return) in various books including Interpreting Solar Returns IIRC, but I don't find it in the Anlunar chapter of the Primer so it was never Fagan-official. (If used, make at supplemental to the word 'Anlunar.')

When added, Ennead will be spelled out

I wouldn't mind if it had "NSR" after it. I'd be tickled if the community decided, on its own, to start calling these "Novienic Solar Returns," but no way I'm going to try to force that. (An invitation, not a requirement, right?) The original name for the method, years ahead of Bradley' article, was "Navamsa Solar Return" by Kharegat in Spica.

[mikestar13]

I have transformed "Chart Is Permanent Temporary" to "Save Chart? Yes No" (no change in functionality or defaults).

[Jim Eshelman]

Ah.... clever. (Almost Doh! <g>)

I think this is better, more intuitive to a new user. (For an experienced user, it doesn't matter, it's always been clear enough and this is at least as clear.)

[mikestar13]

Wondering how best to implement hours of 13-24, which also has implications for how to interpret 12 hours. (Frankly, were TMSA for my own use 24-hour clock would not only be the default, but mandatory). Other changes already done.

[mikestar13]

I have it. A new program option "Use 24-hour clock for UT in derived charts"

[Jim Eshelman]

I have it. A new program option "Use 24-hour clock for UT in derived charts"

That certainly covers most scenarios

It would still be nice to have flexibility to enter data (on the fly) either 24-hour or AM/PM format. I suspect that all it takes is removing an error message that says a value of more than 12 in the hour field is invalid (if AM is selected, which it already is when one enters the form). The math of 15:00 AM will produce the same effect as 3:00 PM. (Perhaps I'm just spoiled because SF and other programs let you do all sorts of variations for time entry.)

This would avoid the need to add another program option or treat UT differently from anything else, and data entry would go slightly easier.

[mikestar13]

I'll try that, numbers 0-11 or any number if PM is checked will be treated as at present, while 13-23 AM will be accepted. But that still raises a question of how to interpret a time like 12:15 AM. Is this interpreted as fifteen minutes after midnight as at present, or is it 15 minutes after noon? I guess the user entering 12:15 UT would need to be careful the click the PM option. It would be great if we could get people to use 0 AM and 0 PM to denote midnight and noon respectively, but if we could do that, we could get them to use the 24 hour clock.

[Jim Eshelman]

But that still raises a question of how to interpret a time like 12:15 AM. Is this interpreted as fifteen minutes after midnight as at present, or is it 15 minutes after noon?

Ooh, hadn't thought of that. Good point.

Currently, if 12:00 is entered (even if totally correct), you have a warning pop up asking if it means noon or midnight: I suppose the same kind of user-prompting checking fits?

I just confirmed my memory of how SF handles it (which I think is how most software handles it). There are some differences that don't work easily in TMSA because the AM/PM prompt is part of the time field. So, if I enter 12 it gets converted to 12:00 PM, though I can enter 12 AM explicitly and it sticks. Exactly midnight works as: 0, 0:00, 0 AM, 12 AM, 12:00 AM etc., while none works as 12, 12:00, or 12:00 PM. I don't see an easy way to di this in TMSA other than a user prompt such as you already have.

It would be great if we could get people to use 0 AM and 0 PM to denote midnight and noon respectively, but if we could do that, we could get them to use the 24 hour clock.

LOL, yes; though I tend to enter data as AM/PM but to enter midnight-thirty as 0:30. (It's fewer keystrokes. Maybe that's always the goal, fewest possible key strokes.)

Ironically, the auto-tab in the time fields slows me down because I make mistakes and go back to fix them, and instead of Shift-Tab and type the correct value, it's reach for the mouse, highlight the wrong entry, and overtype it. I know that auto-tab as a JSAD strong request that you worked hard on while I was on vacation last October, and I suppose most people will prefer it, though it has me moving back and forth between keyboard and mouse quite a lot (mostly due to my own clumsiness).

I can think of some luxury features on data entry, but I can't see asking you to spend much time on any of them until 1.0 and its planned additional features are in the rear-view mirror.

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Got a solution. This is the New Chart form, and I will make corresponding changes to the solunars and ingress pages: https://i.imgur.com/ZVFdDDo.jpg

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