TMSA 0.4: Current Stable Release

[mikestar13]

Fix confirmed for version 0.5, need to copy the fix to a few places.

[Jim Eshelman]

Bug possibly already fixed in an unreleased version, but I'd missed it until today.

In general, planet speed has been shifted successfully to show minutes and seconds if it's less than one degree.

But on a lunar return, while this is correct for transiting planets, the natal planets always display as degree and minute of speed.

Not a big deal because one usually is not interested in motion of natal in a lunar; nonetheless, thought I'd dutifully mention it.

It's not because the natal was calculated under older code. It was observed on my natal, which has been calculated many times.

[mikestar13]

I will check the code in the new release and fix it if I haven't already done so.

[mikestar13]

Fixed the lunar return chart natal planets speeds less than 1 degree showing as degrees and minutes rather than the minutes and seconds used for transiting planets (also affected solar returns). Made some fixes to the help files. As well as of course updating the version number. I'm thinking of back-porting the designation of particular angles from 1.0.

[mikestar13]

Back-port done for single wheel charts, will need to copy changes to bi-wheel view. Also suppressed leading zeros in printout so instead of 02Ar06 it will print as 2Ar 6. (For all numbers except minutes and seconds of time). Version 0.4.8.0 should be up by Sunday.

[mikestar13]

Got bi-wheel working. Tomorrow make some minor edits to the help files and build and test a new install.

[Jim Eshelman]

I'm thinking of back-porting the designation of particular angles from 1.0.

I meant to ask (in relation to this): I know you had worked out a better formula for minor angle strength expression. Is that available for 0.4.8 too?

[mikestar13]

Let me double check the source. I'm fairly sure I have.

[mikestar13]

No, I'd only coded that experimentally. Minor angle strength = cos(20 * orb). I believe the idea was that 2 degrees from a minor angle is of the same strength as three degrees from a major angle as both dispell dormancy, but the dropoff is far faster after that. I know I published a formula here, but I'm having trouble finding it.

[Jim Eshelman]

Let me look. I thought you'd had it, but I don't remember where. - We knew that the % drop-off was a little weird for the minor angles. You were doing some sort of greater curve-shaping (that, if you haven't already coded it, is surely too much to do ahead of the current 0.4.8 timeline).

The minor angles are indeed complicated in theory. If you use the "dormancy is deflected" argument, then 3° in majors is like 2° on minors. OTOH, since more-than-2° feels no stronger than Class 3, a closer rule-of-thumb was something like 3° major = 1° minor, 7° major is like 2° minor; 10° major is like 3° minor. This kinda sucks because there isn't an easy, natural curve that describes the whole phenomenon, and you were sculpting with a pocketknife on a bar of soap to try to shape it.

[mikestar13]

Found it, will code and test:

if orb<=2: x = 3 * orb / 2
else x = (orb - 2) * 7 + 3
then power = cos(6 * x)

Then rebuild the install and upload.

[Jim Eshelman]

BTW, this is a good occasion to say again how much I appreciate the flexibility you've built into TMSA. This week's example: I'm totally sure the weakest part of the quadrant is the cadent cusp, but I've been wondering if I'm missing something else[ about the quadrant center. So, this week I reset my defaults to go 0 at mid-quadrant - not because I think that's the low point but because I wanted the program to alert me when a planet was exactly there.

[mikestar13]

Coded. This is Fagan's speculative chart for Jesus. Notice how this plays up Mo co Ur on the Westpoint by right ascension.

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 +-------------12Cn 2-----------11Ge41-----------12Ta 6--------------+
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 12Le49-----------+----------------+----------------+-----------12Ar53
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 |                |          Jesus Christ           |                |
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 |                |  25 Dec 7 BCE OS 22:20:00 LMT   |                |
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 |                |        Bethlehem, Israel        |Ju 20Pi54 07°29'|
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 |   Ep  8Vi 1    |      31N42'16"  35E12'22"       |                |
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 |Pl 15Vi29 29°15'|           UT 19:59:11           |                |
 13Vi14-----------+                                 +-----------13Pi14
 |                |         RAMC 66°45'24"          |                |
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 |                |          OE 23°41'52"           |                |
 |                |                                 |Ur  5Pi52 22°31'|
 |                |         SVP  3Ar 8'47"          |Mo  4Pi29 20°30'|
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 |                |         Campanus Houses         |                |
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 12Li53-----------+----------------+----------------+-----------12Aq49
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 |Ne  9Sc54 27°50'|                |                |                |
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 +-------------12Sc 6-----------11Sg41-----------12Cp 2--------------+


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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
Mo  4Pi29'13"  4S 8 +12°49' 334°57' 14S58 258° 6' - 9°18' 170°30'  98% Wa
Su  5Cp42' 9"  0S 0 + 1° 1' 272°47' 23S40 282°44' -65°40' 113°48'  52%   
Me 13Cp42'36"  2S 1 + 1°44' 281°41' 25S17 272°54' -58°46' 121°12'  39%   
Ve 20Sc56'40"  4N14 +48'20" 226°30' 13S16  49°47' -63°49'  69°25'  22%  b
Ma 12Aq11'59"  1S 6 +46'30" 311°51' 19S15 265°13' -30°46' 149° 9'   0%  b
Ju 20Pi53'50"  1S21 + 8' 7" 349°18'  6S 8 258° 6' + 7°19' 187°29'  85% D 
Sa 19Pi38'26"  2S26 + 3'46" 348°33'  7S37 257°16' + 5°54' 186° 3'  90% D 
Ur  5Pi51'42"  0S45 + 2' 4" 335° 0' 11S19 261°14' - 7°24' 172°31'  98% Wa
Ne  9Sc54'24"  1N51 + 1'27" 215° 0' 12S10  63°25' -54°53'  57°50'   0%  b
Pl 15Vi29'29" 17N 2 - 0'18" 170°47' 22N37  63°35' + 0°41' 359°15' 100% A 
Er 26Cn33'15" 43N43 - 1'30" 131° 3' 64N 4  30°38' +39°21' 301°52'  38%   
Se  3Cp34'39"  5N32 + 0' 6" 270°27' 18S10 296°42' -64°42' 112°54'  54%   
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    Class 1 Aspects         Class 2 Aspects         Class 3 Aspects     
Mo sx Su  1°13' 97%      Mo tr Ne  5°25' 45%       Su co Me  8° 0' 34%  
Mo co Ur  1°22' 98%      Su sx Ne  4°12' 67%       Me sx Ve  7°14'  6%  
Mo sx Se  0°55' 98%      Me sx Sa  5°56' 35%       Me sx Ju  7°11'  7%  
Su oc Ve  0°15' 99%      Me sx Ne  3°48' 72%       Sa tr Er  6°55' 14%  
Su sx Ur  0°10'100%      Ve sx Pl  5°27' 45%       Ur op Pl  9°38'  7%  
Su co Se  0°55' 98% M    Ve tr Er  5°37' 42%       Ne sx Se  6°20' 27%  
Me tr Pl  1°47' 94%      Ju op Pl  5°24' 69%                            
Me op Er  0°40' 99% M    Ju tr Er  5°39' 41%                            
Ve tr Ju  0° 3'100%      Sa op Pl  4° 9' 81%                            
Ve tr Sa  1°18' 97%      Ur tr Ne  4° 3' 69%                            
Ma sq Ne  1°19' 97% M    Ne sx Pl  5°35' 42%                            
Ju co Sa  1°15' 98%                                                     
Ur sx Se  2°17' 90%                                                     
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                              Cosmic State                              
Mo Pi  F | Su Cp-
         | sx Se  0°55'    co Ur  1°22'    sx Su  1°13'    tr Ne  5°25'    
         |    Me/Er 39'i      Ve/Sa 48'i   
Su Cp    | sx Ur  0°10'    oc Ve  0°15'    co Se  0°55'M   sx Mo  1°13'    
         | sx Ne  4°12'    co Me  8° 0'    
         |    Pl/Er 19'i      Er/As 48'i   
Me Cp    | Mo Pi-
         | op Er  0°40'M   tr Pl  1°47'    sx Ne  3°48'    sx Sa  5°56'    
         | co Su  8° 0'    sx Ju  7°11'    sx Ve  7°14'    
         |    Ma/Pl  8'i      Ve/Ur 18'd      Ma/As 59'i      Mo/Ve 60'd   
Ve Sc- B | Mo Pi+
         | tr Ju  0° 3'    oc Su  0°15'    tr Sa  1°18'    sx Pl  5°27'    
         | tr Er  5°37'    sx Me  7°14'    
         |    Pl/Er  5'd   
Ma Aq  B | Su Cp+
         | sq Ne  1°19'M   
         |    Ju/Se  2'd      Su/Sa 28'd      Me/Mc 30'i      Sa/Se 35'd   
Ju Pi  F | Su Cp-
         | tr Ve  0° 3'    co Sa  1°15'    op Pl  5°24'    tr Er  5°39'    
         | sx Me  7°11'    
         |    Su/Ur  7'i      Mo/Su 48'i   
Sa Pi  F | Su Cp+
         | co Ju  1°15'    tr Ve  1°18'    op Pl  4° 9'    sx Me  5°56'    
         | tr Er  6°55'    
         |    Ur/Se  5'i      Ma/Er 16'i      Mo/Su 27'i      Mo/Se 37'i   
Ur Pi  F | sx Su  0°10'    co Mo  1°22'    sx Se  2°17'    tr Ne  4° 3'    
         | op Pl  9°38'    
         |    Ve/Ju  4'i      Ve/Sa 34'i      Me/Er 44'i      Ne/Se 53'd   
Ne Sc  B | Mo Pi+
         | sq Ma  1°19'M   sx Me  3°48'    tr Ur  4° 3'    sx Su  4°12'    
         | tr Mo  5°25'    sx Pl  5°35'    sx Se  6°20'    
         |    Me/Ur  7'd      Pl/Se 22'd      Su/As 26'd      Su/Pl 41'd   
         |    Mo/Me 48'd   
Pl Vi  F | tr Me  1°47'    op Sa  4° 9'    op Ju  5°24'    sx Ve  5°27'    
         | sx Ne  5°35'    op Ur  9°38'    
         |    Sa/Mc 10'i      Ju/Mc 48'i      Sa/As 57'd   
Er Cn    | op Me  0°40'M   tr Ve  5°37'    tr Ju  5°39'    tr Sa  6°55'    
         |    Me/Ne 15'i      Mo/Sa 31'i      Ve/Se 42'i      Ur/Pl 53'i   
         |    As/Mc 54'd   
Se Cp    | sx Mo  0°55'    co Su  0°55'M   sx Ur  2°17'    sx Ne  6°20'    
         |    Er/Mc 32'd   
As Vi    |    Su/Ve  5'd      Ju/Ur  9'd      Me/Ma 17'i      Pl/Mc 21'i   
         |    Sa/Ur 29'd      Mo/Ju 33'd      Ve/Se 59'd   
Mc Ge    |    Me/Ne  8'd      Mo/Sa 23'd      Ve/Se 35'd   
Angle    |    Ju/Ur  0'M      Ne/Er  9'M      Me/Ne 29'M      Sa/Ur 43'M   
Ep       |    Mo/Sa 23'M   
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Created by TMSA 0.4.8.0  (17 Sep 2022)

[Jim Eshelman]

It sure does! That's kind of a Wow! - OK, let me look... Moon and Uranus are both on the bare fringe of foreground except -

234°47' - RA Moon 98%
235°00' - RA Uranus 98%
236°45' - RA WP

(Of course, the strongest is still Pluto 0°45' from Asc.)

This almost seems too much. Where does 98% fall on the major angles curve? Moon is almost exactly at the 2° drop-off - is 98% where majors are at 3°?

PS - Something in mind for the future: This is the scenario where we need to capture the occasional RA aspect. The Moon-Uranus ecliptical conjunction shows at 1°22' (closer than the mundane = PVL conjunction at 2°01'), but these two planets on WP in RA are only 0°13' apart in RA. That seems, to me, what their conjunction orb should be (but this is a more complicated filtering that we aren't grabbing yet).

[mikestar13]

Here is the latest install (version 0.4.8.0): [removed]

Source code: [removed]

Virus scanned before upload and after download. Highly recommended to virus scan after download.

[mikestar13]

The new minor angle strength formula derives from two observations: 1. In ingresses, a planet within three degrees of a major angle dispells dormancy, as does a planet two degrees from a minor angle--therefor two thing must have equal strength or we will have a logical contradiction: a weaker angularity dispelling dormancy when a stronger angularity cannot. 2. The strength of a planet 0° 0' 0" from a minor angle is exactly the same as the strength of a planet 0° 0' 0" from a major angle.

[Jim Eshelman]

Installed and checked. Nice work! A lot of small things in this release are both esthetically pleasing and will be useful in a serious, practical way - especially in rapid assessment of solunars by angularity strength involving minor angles.

My check-list:

Downloads and installs well. Clean files. I've updated the links at the top of this thread and put the duplicate download copies on Solunars.org.

The angle distinctions are really nice. Here, as an example for everyone else, is how Marion's multiple angularities look:

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Pl   PVL    Ang G
Mo 138°47'   4%  b
Su   6° 7'  90% A 
Me 358°52' 100% A 
Ve 352°37'  86% A 
Ma 124°20'  99% N 
Ju 336°26'  48%   
Sa 297°52'  39%   
Ur 127°13'  94% N 
Ne 172°52'  87% D 
Pl 149°48'  34%   
Er 355°38'  95% A 

As you can see, Sun, Mercury, Venus, and Eris draw their angularity from Ascendant (A), Mars and Uranus from Nadir (N), and Neptune from Descendant (D).

Or, as another example, here are Veronica's complex natal angularities:

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Pl   PVL    Ang G
Mo 157°16'  98% Wl
Su 263° 0'  87% M 
Me 241° 6'  37%   
Ve 195°24'  65%   
Ma 170°55'  79% D 
Ju 164° 6'  99% Wl
Sa 334°47'  44%   
Ur 133° 4'   1%  b
Ne 163°38' 100% Wl
Pl 138°43' 100% N 
Er 332°45'  40%   

As you can see, Sun gets its 87% strength from Midheaven (M), Mars' 79% strength is from Descendant (D), Pluto's 100% strength is from Nadir (N), and the various strengths of Moon, Jupiter, and Neptune come from "Wl," i.e., Westpoint in longitude.

[Jim Eshelman]

The speed formatting looks good (checked on lunar returns also).

One opinion and one question:

The question: Along with the designation of particular angles, we had talked about you marking Vertex and Antivertex with Vx and Ax (but not changing the strength curve) if a planet is within 3° in azimuth. I see this isn't here. I'm guessing it takes more infrastructure buildout because (I'm guessing) you want to make that orb user modifiable. Is that the case?

The opinion: I'm not crazy about El and Wl, mostly because lower case L looks like a one or is otherwise not immediately interpreted right. I'd prefer E and W alone, then add the "a" for the RA version. (I haven't come across one of those yet, but I assume you already have the "a" in place.)

[Jim Eshelman]

I recommend everyone testing or using TMSA get the new 0.4.8 version. It has some nice refinements on really basic things - like angular strength - that we use all the time. - Big thanks to Mike!

[mikestar13]

The a is already in place for eastpoint/westpoint by right ascension. I could remove the l, and note in the help files that unadorned E and W indicate by longitude. I won't bother making a new release just for this, but will make the change if a new edition is needed for other reasons, and it will be in 1.0.

[mikestar13]

The vertex marks will be in 1.0 (user option). You correctly intuit that some infrastructure needs to be built. Note I use the generic F in the cosmic state report--this will change in 1.0, as I am rebuilding the infrastructure anyway. The change in the planetary data was just a question of adding some code, no redesign was needed.

[Jim Eshelman]

Note I use the generic F in the cosmic state report--this will change in 1.0, as I am rebuilding the infrastructure anyway.

I don't know that it needs to change in the CS report, though I can't think of a reason NOT to do it.

On natals, I rely on the CS a lot. Every now and then I wish it had the percentage of strength; then I remember how beautifully simple it is and that the percentage is right above a few lines (and now more usable than before) - so no change is needed on that matter.

I guess something in the back of my mind says the individual angles in CS could make it seem more complicated; but heck, I can't really tell until I see it. If you do that, I suggest you stick with the lower case b for background. I suppose I can manually edit a chart to see how this looks. See below: Not bad, no objection to it (though I'm not sure it's as intuitively obvious.)

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                              Cosmic State                              
Mo Le  b | Su Ta+
         | co Pl  0°39'    sq Su  1°58'    sx Ne  3°26'    tr Ve  3°29'    
         | co Ur  8°52'    
         |    Ju/Mc 56'd   
Su Ta  A | Mo Le+
         | sq Pl  1°18'    sq Mo  1°58'    sx Er  2°41'    sx Ju  3°57'    
         | co Me  7°15'M   sq Ur  6°54'    
         |    Er/Mc 24'd   
Me Ar  A | sq Sa  1°22'    co Er  3°14'M   op Ne  5°59'M   co Ve  6°14'M   
         | co Su  7°15'M   sq Ma  6°20'    
         |    Ve/As 20'd      Ne/As 22'd   
Ve Ar- A | Su Ta+
         | op Ne  0° 3'    co Er  3° 1'M   tr Mo  3°29'    tr Pl  4° 8'    
         | co Me  6°14'M   
Ma Le  N | Su Ta-
         | oc Ju  0°53'    co Ur  2°53'M   op Sa  4°59'    oc Er  2° 8'    
         | sq Me  6°20'    
         |    Sa/Ur 51'd   
Ju Pi    | co Er  1°15'    oc Ma  0°53'    sx Su  3°57'    op Pl  6°38'M   
         |    Mo/Ve 15'd      Mo/Ne 16'd      Ve/Pl 34'd      Ne/Pl 35'd   
         |    Me/Ur 39'd   
Sa Cp+   | sq Me  1°22'    op Ma  4°59'    op Ur  8°15'    oc Er  2°50'    
         |    Pl/Mc  8'd      Mo/Mc 12'd   
Ur Le- N | Mo Le-
         | co Ma  2°53'M   co Pl  8°13'    op Sa  8°15'    co Mo  8°52'    
         | sq Su  6°54'    
         |    Sa/Pl  1'd      Mo/Sa 19'd   
Ne Li  D | op Ve  0° 3'    op Er  2°46'M   sx Mo  3°26'    sx Pl  4° 5'    
         | op Me  5°59'M   
Pl Le    | co Mo  0°39'    sq Su  1°18'    sx Ne  4° 5'    tr Ve  4° 8'    
         | op Ju  6°38'M   co Ur  8°13'    
         |    Ju/Mc 16'd      Er/Mc 54'd   
Er Pi  A | co Ju  1°15'    op Ne  2°46'M   co Ve  3° 1'M   co Me  3°14'M   
         | sx Su  2°41'    oc Ma  2° 8'    oc Sa  2°50'    
         |    Sa/As 10'd      Me/Ur 36'd      Ne/Pl 40'd      Ve/Pl 41'd   
         |    Mo/Ne 59'd   
As Ta    |    Ma/Ur 36'd      Su/Me 53'd   
Mc Cp    |    Ju/As 44'd   
Angle    |    Su/Ne 30'M      Su/Ve 38'M      Su/Er 52'M   
Ze       |    Ma/Ur 36'M   

[Patrick Machado]

Excellent work, as usual!

The angle distinctions are sweet. (It made me notice that I for IC doesn't look too bad when it's serifed.) I second the opinion of dropping the lower case L for E/W measured in longitude. (Much like an unserifed upper case I, it's not very distinctive. It's just a stick.) Since E/W measured in right ascension is the only way angles are measured as such, it makes sense for it to have a special indication.

Still regarding angles, with the new minor angle curve, my Neptune's strength shot way up. It's 1 minute past the 2° threshold, so it's an interesting case.

The lack of leading zeros, especially for minutes (especially for aspects), weirds me out a little. I'm sure it's a matter of getting used to it.

[Jim Eshelman]

My current (December 1) SLR is set for home: 34N03'46", 118W18'47".

I think there is a hole in out logic filters. Here's the scenario: ONLY transiting planets are foreground. Natal Moon is non-foreground at 65% strong (12°02' from IC) vs. transiting Moon foreground at 87% (7°06' from IC). Transiting Neptune is foreground and ecliptically conjunct natal and SLR Moon 0°11'.

Therefore, I have a partile Neptune transit to natal Moon that is NOT a foreground aspect because natal Moon is not foreground. I do, however, have a foreground conjunction of transiting Neptune and transiting Moon (since both are foreground). TMSA does not show Moon-Neptune in tbe SLR aspect list except the transit to natal Moon under the "Other Partile Aspects" list.

I think the current logic is: In most cases there is no transiting Moon in an SLR. Exceptions are that each has its independent angularity. Mundane aspects get special treatment because (all other things being equal) a t Moon - t Neptune mundane aspect that is closer than t Neptune to r Moon would show.

That leaves a hole for this situation: Since natal Moon isn't foreground, it's only the foreground transiting Moon that could have the (ecliptical) conjunction with Neptune in the primary aspect list, so that should pre-empt, showing t Mo co t Neptune 0°11' 100% in the primary list. (Moon-Mercury is the same story, but Neptune is the more vivid example.)

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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
                           Transiting Planets                           
Mo 27Aq24' 0"  4S 3 +13°34' 354°41'  6S43  13°33' -62° 2'  82°54'  87% I 
Su 14Sc20'37"  0S 0 + 1° 1' 247°43' 21S52 121° 6' + 5°30' 353°35'  89% A 
Me 26Sc57'47"  2S 3 + 1°31' 261°11' 25S15 116°17' - 6°21'   7° 4'  87% A 
Ve 24Sc14'40"  0S24 + 1°15' 258°20' 23S25 116°17' - 3°10'   3°32'  97% A 
Ma 23Ta34'40"  2N 1 -22'45"  77°27' 24N58 298° 1' + 3°26' 183°54'  96% D 
Ju  3Pi50'38"  1S25 + 1'36" 359°33'  1S45   2°46' -57°39'  88°15'  99% I 
Sa 24Cp50' 5"  1S16 + 3'51" 322°43' 16S 3  72° 2' -51°12'  52°36'   4%   
Ur 20Ar57'46"  0S22 - 2'13"  43°40' 16N17 314° 0' -25°21' 146°38'   1%   
Ne 27Aq35'22"  1S12 - 0' 5" 353°43'  4S 1  14°22' -59°12'  81°35'  82% I 
Pl  1Cp44'24"  2S14 + 1'26" 299°18' 22S59  95°35' -35°26'  35°34'  32%   
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                            Radical Planets                             
Mo 27Aq24' 0"  4N46 +14°42' 351°12'  1N23  16°39' -53°22'  77°58'  65%   
Su 22Vi27'42"  0N 0 +59'17" 196° 9'  6S53 157°51' +46°38' 289°36'  59%   
Me 17Li21' 3"  3S10 +44'52" 218°57' 18S35 139°33' +26°10' 322°51'   3%   
Ve  1Sc52'48"  5S48 +29'45" 233°10' 25S 7 132°51' +12°52' 342°42'  38%   
Ma 28Sg55'21"  2S50 +36'43" 296°24' 24S 6  98°14' -33°33'  33°49'  35%   
Ju  3Cn36'46"  0N 9 + 6'44" 120°50' 20N35 272°10' +35°36' 215°37'  32%   
Sa 14Li56'37"  2N10 + 6'50" 218°18' 12S45 136°18' +31°18' 318°40'   9%   
Ur  3Cn19'58"  0N30 + 1'17" 120°37' 20N58 272°42' +35°36' 215°38'  32%   
Ne  1Li20'24"  1N39 + 2'13" 205° 5'  8S39 147°24' +41°35' 301°16'  39%   
Pl  2Le 6' 8"  9N55 + 1'20" 153° 0' 21N45 250°46' +62°28' 243°47'   4%   
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    Class 1 Aspects      Other Partile Aspects                          
tMo sq tSu  0°41' 99% M tMe sq rMo  0°26'100%                           
tSu sq tNe  2° 0' 92% M tSa sq rMe  0°15'100% M                         
tMe co tVe  2°43' 86%   tNe co rMo  0°11'100%                           
tMe sq tNe  0°38' 99%   tPl op rJu  0° 4'100% M                         
tVe op tMa  0°22'100% M tPl op rUr  0° 4'100% M                         
                        tPl sq rNe  0°24'100%                           
                         ----------------------                         
                        rJu co rUr  0° 1'100% M 

[Jim Eshelman]

Similar but different: Here's somebody else's upcoming SLR where the aspectarian speaks for itself. Wen I saw the first line, I thought, "Oh, t Moon because it's mundane square to natal Sun is closer than natal Moon's." But no, the natal Moon-Sun square is closer in this SLR.

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    Class 1 Aspects    
tMo sq rSu  0°55' 98% M
tMa sq rMo  2°27' 88%  
---------------------- 
rMo sq rSu  0°47' 99% M
rMo co rPl  0°39' 99%  
rSu sq rPl  1°18' 97%  

[mikestar13]

The non-foreground position of the natal Moon is correct, I need to tweak my filters. Between accrued precession and the 8 degree latitude difference, the mundane positions of the two moons are significantly different. This is far more likely than in SSRs, and the latitude difference is the big player, though at your age, the precession correction is not exactly tiny (nearly one degree).

[Jim Eshelman]

Jim, in the first case, natal moon has its strength calculated incorrectly, natal moon is by definition foreground, as it is at an identical position ecliptically and only slightly different mundanely (accrued precession).

Are you sure? I think it's the difference in latitude of transiting vs. natal Moon. They can be widely different in latitude because Moon's node loops around the zodiac - currently, Moon's north node is trine where it was when I was born, so I'm closer to the middle of one of those cycles than to either end.

I think your basic planet calculations are all correct.

In my current SLR, natal Moon is 4°46' North latitude but transiting Moon is 4°03' South latitude. That's a lot (and not an unusual amount). This 8° difference in latitude gives a difference of 3°29' in RA and 8°06' in declination. With planets near the meridian (as in the example), the RA difference matters more than the declination, but they both play a part. A 5° difference in PVL isn't a lot.

I've seen much larger PVL differences. It's kinda normal. (Arena, of course, gets gigantic differences due to geographic latitude, but I've seen perhaps 15° difference in moderate latitudes.) I think it's just the difference in celestial latitude.

You don't get this with Sun, of course, because transiting and natal Sun always have the same latitude. My Moon is near the latitude max of 5°+ (since my late Aquarius Moon is less than a sign from being square my mid-Sagittarius north node).

[mikestar13]

My opinion as to how I would actually prefer to filter is to list all aspects excepting tSu co/op/sq rSu in SSRs and corresponding moon-moon aspects in SLRs. I would rather have an occasional redundant entry than miss something important as here.

[Jim Eshelman]

My opinion as to how I would actually prefer to filter is to list all aspects excepting tSu co/op/sq rSu in SSRs and corresponding moon-moon aspects in SLRs. I would rather have an occasional redundant entry than miss something important as here.

That makes sense. I could probably come up with enough layered rules to solve it, but that actually narrows the program. People can ignore redundancy.

An easy one you didn't mention above, though, is ALL transiting Sun aspects in SSR or Demi-SSR. (Not in Quartis and, when added, Enneads or 10-Day Solars.) That's always safe.

[mikestar13]

Release 0.4.9: [removed]

Source code: [removed]

Fixes issues Jim mentioned. Also designated Eastpoint and Westpoint by longitude as "E" and "W" (by right ascension, they are "Ea" and "Wa").

[Jim Eshelman]

Got it. Cool. 0.4.9 installed. Aspectarian fixes worked.

Fixes issues Jim mentioned. Also designated Eastpoint and Westpoint by longitude as "E" and "W" (by right ascension, they are "Ea" and "Wa").

I did just get an "El" on a new lunar return (and several on an existing solar) - both natal and transiting planets. Do you need the sample data?

[mikestar13]

Must have missed one of the text changes. I thought I got all of them. Will check and correct. Sample data would help squash the bug.

[mikestar13]

Found the missed "El" and "Wl" in the source. Will be building 0.4.9.1 after all.

[Jim Eshelman]

Must have missed one of the text changes. I thought I got all of them. Will check and correct. Sample data would help squash the bug.

Birth: May 30, 1963, 5:03 AM EDT, Staten Island, NY.
Current SSR (5/30/2022) for 42N07'01", 87W43'54".
Upcoming DLR for 34N03'46", 118W18'47"

SSR:

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                           Transiting Planets                           
Mo 14Ta15'50"  1N31 +11°57'  67°23' 23N21  74°15' +17°46' 341°36' 100% El
Su 14Ta 1'27"  0N 0 +57'34"  67°22' 21N49  75°30' +16°47' 342°41' 100% El
Ma  9Pi 3'54"  1S45 +44'31"   4°28'  0N 2 146°40' +42°47' 300°42' 100% Z 
Ju  8Pi26'55"  1S10 + 9'42"   3°40'  0N19 147°30' +43°22' 299°38' 100% Z 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
                            Radical Planets                             
Su 14Ta 1'27"  0N 0 +57'32"  67°22' 21N49  75°30' +16°47' 342°41' 100% El
Mo 15Le59' 2"  3N53 +12°20' 164° 0' 11N 1 355°56' -36°46'  95°26'  92% I 

SLR:

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                           Transiting Planets                           
Mo 15Le59' 2"  4N32 +12° 6' 164°16' 11N37  76°32' + 0°53' 359° 5' 100% A 
Ma 18Ta25'41"  2N32 -21' 3"  71°45' 24N56 156°14' +80° 6' 274° 1'  96% M 
Se  4Ta 3'47" 12S 1 - 0'34"  59°31'  8N13 197°25' +63°10' 261°23'  81% M 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
                            Radical Planets                             
Mo 15Le59' 2"  3N53 +12°20' 164° 1' 11N 1  77°11' + 0°45' 359°14' 100% A 
Su 14Ta 1'27"  0N 0 +57'32"  67°23' 21N49 179°57' +77°45' 270° 1' 100% M 
Pl 15Le19'57" 13N36 + 0'16" 167°20' 20N13  67°48' + 3°23' 356°21'  99% El
Ur  7Le 7' 9"  0N46 + 1' 7" 154°26' 11N24  82° 6' + 8°46' 351° 9'  80% A 

[mikestar13]

Thanks, will run that data before I post (install is built and virus scanned, will be up in a few minutes if all errors are fixed).

[mikestar13]

Correction confirmed.

0.4.9.1 install: [removed]
Source code: [removed]

[Jim Eshelman]

Home. Installed. It works! (Exclamation mark is for pleasure, not surprise.) Aspectarian fixes persist, angle marks changed. Anything else I should test?

Your links are changed at the top. I'll upload to backup site and change those links shortly.

[mikestar13]

The timezone finder function in TMSA depends on Python bindings to the Uber h3 library, which I am unable to build on my machine. I am loathe to lose this functionality in TMSA. Are there any Python programmers out there who can help me figure out what's wrong?

[mikestar13]

There may be a light at the end of the tunnel. Pip, the official Python installer just doesn't work, however anaconda can install h3 without needing to compile it--trying now.

[mikestar13]

No joy. I installed Anaconda (which took hours) and was able to install the missing module BUT these modules can't be used outside of Anaconda, and Anaconda itself is just too damn complicated. I can't make heads of tails of it--the module is physically present but inaccessible to the regular Python interpreter. And many hours of internet research yields no solution. I'm losing sleep over this. The light at the end of the tunnel was an oncoming train.

Additionally, I found out that the PM I sent to Mike V (rather long and technical) never got delivered. It is not in Outbox or Sent Messages. So I'm done with it. Henceforth, TMSA will not be able to find time zones online, the user will have to look that up for themselves (which was always true for dates before 1970).

This decision may be reversed if and only if someone who knows a good deal more about Python than I do can help me. I'm done with going crazy over a useful but easily done without feature. You are welcome to reach out to Mike V on my behalf, but I'm done, I won't try to recreate that PM.

[mikestar13]

BTW, latitude and longitude look up work fine, they don't depend on h3 or timezone finder.

[Jim Eshelman]

Mike, you're gonna want to see this. I don't know that it requires you change anything, but you're gonna dig seeing this.
https://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php? ... 108#p51107

[Veronica]

Here is the long awaited version 0.4.8 [now 0.4.9.2], probably the final release in the 0.4 series. There will be no further releases for 0.4, barring bug fixes. All previous versions are withdrawn. Both installer and source code have been virus checked, but it would be prudent to check them yourself.

This is the thread for bug reports, installer problems, and instruction how to use new features.

Installer: https://mega.nz/file/UVdHjAqa#-FkvlzzHU ... pFvpJrrpnA [0.4.9.2]
Source Code: https://mega.nz/file/sBEF3CSJ#ThXZWHsbS ... gY3Dj1OojY [0.4.9.2]

Alternative download site:
Installer: https://solunars.org/TMSA/tmsa-0.4.9.2-install.zip
Source Code: https://solunars.org/TMSA/tmsa-0.4.9.2-src.zip

Is this the correct version to download?

[Jim Eshelman]

Yes

[Veronica]

Thank you! Reinstalled with no issues unzipping and running. It was an unrecognized program so I had to click the box to run it anyway, which means my pc is running well I suppose.
Added info fine and charts all seem to be great to my eyes.
I could not run midpoint data,but IIRC that function was still under work.

Sure wish I could run it on my phone or at least my tablet....but maybe that's because I prefer sitting in the soft chair, and not at my awkward pc set up. I'll rearrange my room to make it easier to use my pc, right now I pretty much just use it to watch dvds. My room doesnt offer many options with my furniture I have now.

I will be sure to ask any questions I have, no matter how small and insignificant...I know many people are like me and shy and embarrassed to say I dont get it, I need help, and maybe my questions will resonate and we all can get a clearer picture so to speak.

[Jim Eshelman]

I could not run midpoint data, but IIRC that function was still under work.

For natal charts, it's complete. To add it for a given chart, when you input the chart data ("Calculate Chart") there is an Options field. After that field, click Temporary. near the lower right, click Midpoints. Enter the orbs you want and Save. - To make this permanent, on the front screen click Chart Options and do the same steps.

Sure wish I could run it on my phone or at least my tablet....but maybe that's because I prefer sitting in the soft chair, and not at my awkward pc set up.

Once we get "front burner" stuff fixed, I'm going to start exploring whether this can recompile to work on Android and iOS.