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ya know, I thought about that spot a lot since you mentioned it.

I bet if I went there and danced I would literally leave the ground and be able to fly. I believe that. I believe if I went there and listened to the music that is in my soul and poured my self out that I would seemingly be levitated and lifted right up off the very Earth and I would be suspended in mid air. I do.

but when I read your words right now about how you, my dear friend thinks it would be magical.....
I cried because I've had nothing but magical in my life and I need something real, something solid and grounding and true.
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That's interesting because "solid & grounded" and "father" play to the same parts of our psyche (regardless of whether Father is or ever was solid and grounded). Your Saturn is probably your weakest planet - background, in its Fall - heck, if retrograde means anything much, then it's retrograde too! It's the flip side of the Uranus, Pluto, Neptune, and Jupiter forces that define you so strongly.

So, yeah, it's something you'd have to intentionally pursue work for.
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Jim Eshelman wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 7:46 am BTW, what might be the most surreal place on Earth for you uniquely - a place where the most out-of-this-world energies converge - is not far from you, about halfway between Rochester and Niagra. The closest spot I can find for it is in the tiny spot called Millville, NY immediately east of Medina. If your birth time is exact, then this is a spot where, simultaneously, you have Pluto square Asc and Neptune square MC 0°00'.
That area is very near were my step children were raised (Elba) and where I go regularly to buy Native American Cigarettes.
I seem to get pulled over by the police frequently there.
Jupiter once said she wouldn't put anyone she cared about on a Neptunian angle, except herself.

It's not a place I would like to live everyday, in fact I think it would make me very sad to be there.

After talking with Sabrina this morning about things, I was able to spit out that I really really want to be able to go to the Ocean, and watch the sun setting on the Pacific. I've wanted to be there for a long time now.
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We have 650 miles of Pacific coast out here.
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My new lunar set up last night
Most Angular is TPluto and Saturn.

Today is my last day of hard hours at work, closing Monday night and opening Tuesday morning, but having to pick up Sabrina at 11:30pm....super long day....

I'm glad I got the opportunity to swap shifts with a co worker so that I have a easy 12 to 9 shift everyday, except Sundays when the store closes at 7.

My diet has really been strained under the hours I had been keeping and I'm hoping to get back into a healthier routine relationship with food.
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Veronica wrote: Tue Apr 19, 2022 5:57 am Most Angular is TPluto and Saturn.
Sun is actually stronger than Saturn a bit. It squares Asc about a degree and a half. Pluto, though, is strongest, with its close angularity and exact square with Sun. Here is how the current version of TMSA ranks things:

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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
                           Transiting Planets                           
Su 04Ar09'27" 00S00 +58'36"  27°09' 11N11  29°41' -30°48'  50°17'  94% F
Pl 03Cp31'28" 01S56 + 0'18" 301°07' 22S21 120°46' - 0°35'   0°41' 100% F
Sa 28Cp29'07" 00S59 + 4'15" 326°12' 14S37  98°33' -12°21'  12°29'  92% F
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                            Radical Planets                             
Me 22Cp42'01" 02S01 + 1°39' 320°50' 17S26 104°13' -10°24'  10°43'  88% F
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tSu sq tPl 00°38' 99%
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tSa co rMe 01°45' 94% M
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Oh, well an Angular Sun is a welcome bonus!

Thanks for the easy to scan chart!

My first customer today attacked me verbally, saying I pretended to not see her because of her race, and was very unpleasant and giving ugly looks at me. I actually didnt see her because she was less then 5 feet tall and my computers and monitors blocked my vision. Yet everything seems hunky dory now, just busy working. The weather forecast of a snow and freezing rain storm today and tomorrow have brought customers out in droves, and they all have comments about how cold and yucky it is and what a miserable spring.

I was looking at my 2022 SSR this morning, specifically my SSR moon which should be progressing to conjunct my natal Pluto next month I believe. I'm noticing that Jupiter right now is in opposition to my SSR moon and I am wondering if That is part of my experience with my dad and the homestead and me wanting to move away from NY.
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OMG!!

I am going to be in a T.V. commercial!!!

The sign up sheet was by the time clock!

I am going to get to sing and dance and wear a beautiful costume!

This is epic, it literally is a dream come true.
I remember seeing the commercials as a child and singing along!!

So exciting!!!
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Woohoo!

You mean like with a Sun-Pluto aspect exactly on the angles of your SLR?
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Woohoo is right! Exactly like that!!

This is going to be so exciting and fun and silly!!!

Reflecting on how both my Saggitarius Moon sisters are so, so beautiful and were models for a very long time in their youth....and I always felt like a pile of mud next to thier beauty...(I have been in awe for a few months now of just how beautiful women are, every single one of them I meet I see something beautiful about them).

I am going to tell my son about the opportunity and what I'll be doing in the commercial, I doubt he will care or be embarrassed but I will see first. I would not do it if it made him uncomfortable in any way. It's a pretty crazy commercial that gets quiet a bit of local air time and I'm a pretty identifiable person regardless of my costume.
Sabrina is all for it!! She says I was made for this job!
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I woke up yesterday with a slightly cranky lower back which has progressed to full rage as of this morning. As I didnt do anything particular to injure myself, I am feeling this transit is a result of general overwork and over extension of my body.
The car also remalfunctioned again last night. So it has more issues then just the ignition switch.

I have been internally trying to forgive myself for mistakes I made in the past, and process the past and not make more messes of things.

There is a part of me that feels like all of society doesnt want me, a single mom who chose herself and her children over her husband,father and brothers to succeed.
There is a part of me that feels like society wants more then anything then for people in messed up relationships to stop it, to get out and away from the conflicts.

I cant physically do both, be both and I truly dont want to do either.

I actually took an ibuprofen today.
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I had a very unique life experience today at approx 1:21 in Henrietta NY.

I was cashiering at work, it was extremely busy all over the store. It was extremely loud, and I was at the front and center register when a young couple with a baby came up with a shopping basket when two other young men can up behind them.
One of the men started yelling at the couple and it got really crazy and really dangerous really fast. The couple completely tried to ignore the man. I asked if they needed help and the man said yes, so I called my manager, who came and witnessed the escalating situation.
I told the young man being harassed to go into our bathroom and lock the door. I told my manager to call the police for the man. The other man then was yelling at the young woman, who I then bagged up her items and brought her and the baby behind the registers and sat in the chair.
The aggressor had all the while been going on and on about violence to us all in some incoherent ranting banter that truly is just impossible to reiterate exactly what he was saying....loud ugliness. It was very tense, very rude and very very scary. I really thought that the one man was going to get popped right then and there in front of me

So yes, that was crazy and the cops asked me if I saw the gun, which I did not because his hands were in his pockets. They said it was ingenious of me to lock the man in the loo and it probably saved his life.

My Demi Lunar starts tomorrow.....amazing chart for the moment with Saturn and Uranus.
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Veronica wrote: Sun May 01, 2022 5:12 pm I had a very unique life experience today at approx 1:21 in Henrietta NY.
The world was primed for uncomfortable disturbance right about then, with Saturn setting in the exaltation degree of Mars, Uranus crossing Midheaven, and Moon squaring Ascendant. As you say, the event was personalized for you by the incoming Demi-Lunar with Sun 0°12' from Zenith conjunct Uranus that seems to put you suddenly in the spotlight with a bit of excitement. In the Demi, transiting Venus and Jupiter are about as background as they can get.

Since there weren't exact transits, I wondered if something else personalized it for you such as quotidians. Your SQ (the Solar Return's quotidian) places Neptune on an angle. What I find most interesting, though - the real meat of the story - is how well things turned out (when they could have gone quite badly). You were under some special protection:

3°05' Virgo - SQ Moon [progressed SSR Moon]
3°05' Pisces - t Jupiter
3°52' Pisces - t Venus
4°46' Virgo - r Pluto

To the minute!

What great planning for the universe to have someone so naturally protected on the spot to handle the volatile situation.
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I sat on the porch reflecting on the event last night and just exploded into laughter at how I literally told a grown man to go lock himself in the loo, as "gangsta" as he was,.....and he went.

Surreal.

The event had seemingly nothing to do with me, it was the luck of the que that put them at my counter.
I had looked at progressed SR moon and its proximity to my natal Pluto and thought that the orb was to large to correlate any personal experience, but I neglected to compare that to the chart of the moment, so I didnt tie in the Venus/Jupiter connection. Thank you for pointing that piece.

Life is so wonderfully interesting and complex and just beautifully unfolding.

I have heard several people say they are concerned for my safety as some think there maybe retaliation upon me for calling the cops. I am curious if when the SQ moon is exact my natal Pluto if I may experience some backlash?
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I have my new Lunar return in a few days.
Overall I think it is a good month, even though Saturn is on an angle. I see that just as more hard work and keeping very busy for the most part.
The angular Jupiter feels great, and I would like to share that: I feel safe sharing that I am working in a small local health food store, not a huge business like Trader Joe's or Whole food, but a company that I would ride my bike to as a child to get my soydogs and cruelty free products. In a way this store has always felt like home away from home for me, and a place where I was allowed to be myself with my unique needs.
I am able to utilize my Holistic Healthcare and Herbalist degree and help people who want help making better nutritional and life choices. I can wear my silliest and funniest outfits, with ribbons and bows in my hair and all the Crystal's I can bear!
It isnt much money in the big scheme of things, but I dont do things for money anyway but for the inner joy.
All my life I have always said to the Great Mother, you bore me into this world with my unique gifts to share please put me where I can best serve and let my gifts unfold. She has always provided exactly what I needed, and this time was no different.
So I see the culminated Jupiter as an manifestation of coming back to my roots and helping the one little company that was always there for me and my witchy ways and counter cultureness.
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Well at the time of my LR I was engrossed in conversation with the Wellness Department head about how I am not vaccinated and have never had any Covid symptoms despite being in many high risk situations, and just what I had done to prevent infection.....Everyone at work has had the virus several times, some vaccinated and boosted to the max. (I answered...Masking, washing, sanitizing, isolating, supplementing, exercising, positive attitude, communing).
Not a conversation that I saught out, but I wasnt going to lie when asked directly......no one ever asked before. I did not get a shot bc honestly I feel like I was a human Guinea pig as a child, being poked and injected for years to try and fix me and I just had had it being tested on and put my trust in The Great Creatrix who made me.

I also had been concerned several months back that Jupiter transiting square my AC might mean yuckies healthwise, but I'm healthy because I do practice good health ideals.

I had also been concerned about my SSR moons progression to my natal Pluto, which I seem to see as happening on June 18th. Being a mother, that worried me about my children's lives. I do believe though that that transit will manifest during the Mass my sister arranged yesterday for our family to celebrate my brother and sisters passing last year, as well as the passing of my other relatives who all have crossed over mid June. She had not known of my transit that day when she arranged the Mass, which I think is awesome and I know that I will most likely cry as many tears as I have and be soulfully touched.
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Strange observation I wanted to note.
I like to grow African Violets. I started out by buying a very very sad one I found lost at a hardware store, and have grown a very large selection. They are extremely sensitive plants.
Last summer, under duress about possibly moving I shared/rehomed half of them. It was sad and worrisome for me because I had grown them all from leaf cuttings from my first one. You just never know if they will survive with some else's care and love (or lack there of).
The remaining plants changed, they stopped flowering and with in a few months were very sad looking, even though my care and love hadn't changed.
Well, that was very heartbreaking for me to see them wither so I started spending more time with them, not really doing anything special just a bit more time focused on appreciating them for all their wonderfulness.
Anyhoo, I wanted to note that for the past few weeks each and everyone one of them has slowly and exquisitely bloomed into the most profoundly beautiful explosion of flowers! Every single plant is dripping with flowers and it is just a wonder to experience.
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:) 8-)
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I received a tornado weather alert for tonight. It will be interesting to see if something weird gets expressed while Uranus sets in the next half hour or so.

Been in a weird state myself. Weirder then the normal for an Aquarius. This is the time of year when so many of my family have died. Its weird but it seems as if the older I get the acceptance comes easier and the resistance is all but nothing, which means I dont feel pain that I cant physically hug or talk to them, I understand that the relationship is still true regardless of the limits of my physical body and that I can still interact with my loved ones.

An aspect from the SSR this year is coming up in which SSR Moon will Conjunct my natal Pluto and square my AC. I have something I'd like to say about that and my life experiences but to be honest, I am scared outta my mind. I'm scared more though to just continue to keep silent.

So I will just say it...
I am terrified that the people I got to know through my relationship to Craig, former classmates, town residents ect want to hurt me and have bad things happen to me. I feel like they get all messed up partying all the time and truly despise me specifically and women in general and get all pumped up on hate and rhetoric and could snap at any minute and show up at my door to burn me as a witch. I really feel that they could and would delight in hurting me.

and it's not just them.....
so and so hates me because I'm anti big pharma
so and so hates me because I'm anti military
so and so hates me because I'm anti capitalism
and on and on
and it just feels like I am being pushed farther and farther out just because I live my life according to a different story then they do.

and then I'm feeling Eric's hatred of me when the Chili Peppers wrote a song named Veronica. Nothing I can say to that man now to convince him I have never......
That's when I started feeling very scared again and worried about crazy people showing up at my door

I have my own unique synastry charts with Craig and his buddies, and with Eric and even with a man I've never met but feel drawn to and knowing those charts, knowing my own chart has saved me from falling, for sure and I am grateful for all the lessons.

I am trying to just stay in my lane and do my own thing, but my thing is really different from everyone else's and I'm like why is it other people can wave thier mean hateful freak flags and walk all over the world like they own it, but I cant just be . It's like theres no room left, no where else for me to walk away to because the world is now filled with fearfulness and its children.

well, Uranus set and no storm touch down here, just a lot of wind.
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Today we had a remebrance Mass for my siblings who died last year. We held it in the Roman Catholic Church they had been involved with in their youth. Most of the immediate family was there, about 30 of us and it really was great to be there with them all.

I missed sitting with Karen, we always sat together at family things. I sat between my older brother and my son, with my father directly in front of me, which was odd seating and it just kind of came about that way as well filtered in and shuffled to get seats. My daughter sat next to dad.

What I did not know was this was a very important day for the congregation in that they were having communion. It was a very interesting thing for me to experience, the whole act of ritual, singing, up and down and calling out. Very beautiful in many ways, but mostly the people themselves and their passion for their belief and the love in their hearts, it really does make people shine differently when they are in love.

I was nervous about the communion and what that was going to be like. I remembered when my mother died in 1996 and we had Mass and I took communion. It was not a profoundly spiritual experience for me. I had never really been to church so it just seemed like what one should do when their mother dies.
Today when Iistened to the Mass and wondered if I should partake of the whole communion and my mind was rationalizing every single aspect of every single possiblity and option and action the way I do about things.....All of a sudden I hear "Hail Mary" and every hair on my body stood on end and as She was Hailed by the whole congregation I started to weep. It just seemingly rose up from no where and I was overcome with grief for poor Mary whose son was .......
so there I sat with tears just streaming down my face and nothing I could think of to stop them, and I did want to stop. I didnt want to embarrass my son or make my brother mad, I didnt want to draw attention to myself.
I thought of Karen sitting next to me and how she would hold my hand and make me breathe to get self control.
Then it was time to receive the communion which had some hitches in the production, but I did receive it. aound 5:24
and guess what?
I didnt melt or burn, it didnt rot in my gut, it didnt make me see the evil ways of my existence, nothing at all horrible and in an mysterious way it was very satisfying and fulfilling.
An old friend of Michael's, a long time close family friend to us all said my tears were repressed grief for Karen, when I told him I was moved to tears. I cried for hours daily for months last year when they died and it just sucks that they arnt alive in this world anymore.
But that's not what made me cry. It was hearing them call to The Great Mother Goddess the only acceptable name they can, it was so beautiful to hear that name being sung out of people who have love in their hearts.
So beautiful.
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Huge storm came through yesterday afternoon 4pm ish knocked out power sometime between 4pm, my son said it was out when got home at 5:15.
It's still out, which means no water as well as no power.

I have bottled water to wash up and to flush toilets with, and hopefully the food in the refrigerator/freezer will be ok for a few more hours. I'm going get ice packs from work if I have too.

Glad I had candles and bottled water on hand, it may take a long time to fix. It is supposed to in the 90s today, and it is my days off in which I do all my house chores and was planning on working on a short story I'm writing. my phone battery is just about gone though, so I will not be washing and cleaning. Power companies have no clue when it will be back on, so many lines down from broken trees here in the mini wilderness I live in. The web site said 24 homes in my area are without power.

Noticed though that this is the day Uranus is transiting my natal Saturn exactly, it will transit my Mercury on July 1st.

As I sat on the porch last night though I had a very exciting visit from brother fox who came right up to my feet for a few moments after skirting about around me for a while. He looked at me with a little cock in his head and then grabbed my food offering and took it away with him. kinda scary being that close to a wild animal and it was interesting all of the biological reactions my body went through in just those brief seconds. Very very cool and humbling for the most part and made me feel good in my actions of trying to feed our wild kin who struggle to eat and live everyday. I am still leaving offerings out to the animals and birds and when I hike I take something with me to leave as an offering, saying to the world, may we never hunger, may we never thirst, which I adopted and adapted from Starhawks book the Fifth Sacred thing.

I'm glad that I had my preparations in place though and a can do attitude so that this truly minor inconvenience doesnt snowball into a real hardship. I'm just camping in my own home.
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This was also the day of transiting Venus square your Sun, which sounds a lot like what you described.
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Yes it was!!!
when I took my afternoon hike yesterday I had another Fox encounter that really touched my soul. I had walked for a bit and came to a bend and there right in front of me was Fox, just sitting so utterly beautiful and majestic in the middle of the trail, as if patiently waiting for me.
I stopped and bowed and waved and said hi. For about 10 solid minutes me and fox in a strange way just looked at each other, I crouched down and crept slowly closer, being as non threatening as I can, smiling, twinklinge
eyes, love in my voice, playfully patting the ground in front of me inviting him to come here and get his ears scratched, (I did this with sign and body language, playfully pawing at my own ear a few times....till I wondered if maybe the fox thought he should stay away from me because I have fleas).
The intensity and duration of his gaze upon me was nothing I have ever felt, he just sat staring at me for what seemed like eternity, until he had enough and turned and slowly walked up the trail, I followed he would periodically stop and watch me hiking the deep ravines that were easy for him to navigate but challenging for me. When he finally walked off the trail I was tempted to follow but I know that if I go off the trail I squish and kill other unseen living things that live on the forest floor and I didnt want to hurt them, they have it hard enough.
It was truly a wonderful and soul touching moment.
When I got home, around 5:15 the power was on. The weather report was wrong it never got in the 90s, but I had blacked out all the windows to keep the house temperature down, just incase. Most of the food in the fridge is ok, some freezer items defrosted a bit so I will prepare them today.
oh, but that beautiful fox....oh the look in his eyes!! I didnt have a camera, but I see him in my minds eye clear as a bell!!!
Thankful for all the blessings in my life!!
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Just read Jims post about Roe vs Wade.
Sitting in my car, crying.


I remember making the choice with my partner at the time to try an experimental drug called ru486.....

I remember with my husband......when his addiction was so hard, and afraid I wouldn't be able to care and afford a 5th child.

ugh.
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Individual states - including New York - will protect these rights on their own. My grief is for women in the half of the U.S. where their states will criminalize them instead.
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Jim Eshelman wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:49 am Individual states - including New York - will protect these rights on their own. My grief is for women in the half of the U.S. where their states will criminalize them instead.
Thank you for saying so.

Metoo.

But I will tell you a secret, that can help with our grief.
When I was 16 I read The Herb Book by John Lust because I had a friend who was raped and pregnant but her father wouldn't allow her to abort or even adopt. I researched and experimented with plants and timing.
Medical doctors do not like me saying things like that...takes away their prey.

I have a deep unshakeable belief that even though this seems so shockingly ungodly wrong and revolutionary that we will get through it and be the better.

I am so grateful to have met you Jim because honestly I get pretty riled up about things but you have shown me ways to let my feelings be like clouds blowing by and perspectives I could have never thought of that allow me to still see the world as a beautiful place.
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Its so odd to me about the Roe vs Wade chart, with Jupiter on the angle....

Till I thought of the fact that Vegas had a pretty high odds bet running, and someone somewhere who placed a bet might have gotten a huge pay off with that Jupiter at a timely point in their own chart....

It sickens me the things VEGAS runs money lines on but even worse are the needs driving it in the first place.
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It will be most truly terrible in fewer than half the states, The Mississippi law that led to the Roe overturn allows abortion to fifteen weeks (only slightly less than the European norm--20 weeks in the Netherlands for example), and makes exceptions to the fifteen week limit for medical necessity and severe fetal deformity.Terrible from a pro-choice perspective, but that law will allow most abortions. Abortions as reproductive choice (not medically necessary abortions, which tend to be later in pregnancy) are only fairly rarely second trimester, and virtually never third trimester. There is no guarantee the the Court will uphold a law outlawing abortion altogether. It is also doubtful whether or not the court will uphold the portion of the Texas abortion law allowing private enforcement and bounties, which would allow blackmail and other forms of corruption. I am not a lawyer, but I have studied US constitutional law about as long and as intensely as astrology. The best we can hope for are laws that take a middle position between the extreme positions of total prohibition and absolute freedom which would be abortion until first breath.
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mikestar13 wrote: Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:00 am The best we can hope for are laws that take a middle position between the extreme positions of total prohibition and absolute freedom which would be abortion until first breath.
For the present, these will vary state-by-state, with some states going to either extreme and a few creating laws somewhere between. It's quite unlikely that Congress will pass Federal protection in the foreseeable future. Here's a useful table summarizing current state laws (though this will shift over the next few months): https://www.guttmacher.org/state-policy ... rtion-laws

For example, California and New York (probably contrary to most people's supposition) doesn't have "anything goes" laws. We essentially replicated the Roe standard of fetus viability (more or less the end of second trimester) with provisions for health interventions and emergencies after that. Despite this, as Mike alluded, nearly all California and NY abortions are first trimester.

Since over half of all abortions currently are medically (chemically) induced, the most effective immediate protection would be to block state laws that try to block or outlaw the mail delivery and use of these medicines.

Many states and corporations are mobilizing the protect women caught in prohibitive states. California, for example, is enacting laws to make it a sanctuary state for women living in prohibitive states. Many large corporations (including Fortune 500 corps as widespread as Starbucks and Dick's Sporting Goods) have announced that any employee (if enrolled in the company-provided medical plan) will be provided travel and housing funds to go to the closest state where the needed procedure is legal. My own employer (big for its industry but nothing close to the Fortune 500 level) made that commitment the day the Dobbs decision was released: Until recently, it wouldn't have been a problem since all of our U.S. offices were in California, New York, or DC, but we now have four offices in Texas where the egregious laws totally block all abortions except for life-saving emergencies.
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No jurisdiction has anything goes laws but some pro-choice extremists have advocated for them. Some pro-life extremists have called for criminal penalties a woman obtaining or attempting to obtain an abortion, even to save her own life. I don't think that we need to pay attention to lunatics of either side.
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mikestar13 wrote: Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:18 am I don't think that we need to pay attention to lunatics of either side.
We may have to pay attention to them but, I agree, they aren't central to the discussion.

As you correctly mentioned, late-term abortions are rare. Kaiser Foundation reports that abortions after 20 weeks (half-way through) are only 1% of all abortions in the U.S. They are also medically riskier. Essentially nobody is getting abortions this late unless there are extraordinary circumstances. (Safe haven laws, one of the best social-legal innovations on the matter IMHO, eliminated nearly all exceptions to this generalization. Nobody is getting so-called "partial birth" abortions that some states have bizarrely banned as if they were epidemic.)

Our culture has dramatically changed in the half century Roe controlled the discussion. Medical science has advanced as well. Given enough time [how long?], this will probably sort itself out reasonably and acceptably, but still with local variations. Despite understandable fear and rage at the overturning, Dobbs won't mark a return to pre-Roe coat hangers and back alleys: At most, contraband abortion medication will be the typical circumvention of restrictive laws, I think. It would be wonderful, though, if medical monitoring and advice could be available for all those who need it (without risk of doctors facing criminal charges).
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I don't want to keep hijacking Veronica's thread, so I'll add these last notes then quit. The status right now (subject to change):

Roe used the threshold of fetus viability for allowing or prohibiting abortions. (This is approximately the end of the second trimester or about 25 weeks.) Currently, 19 states follow the same standard and (consistent with what Mike said) all but 8 use 20 weeks or later. This permits 99% of all abortions currently sought.

It's those 8 states that are the issue, though, because all of them have a zero-week standard: Alabama, Arkansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Missouri, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Texas, and Utah. That is, they allow NO abortions except in the case of life or health endangerment (variously defined). They all add various additional restrictions, e.g., five of the eight limit or bar private insurance coverage even for medically necessary procedures.

Those eight zero-week states are my only concern right now (with Texas being the big gorilla in the room); but the number of other states joining them is likely to increase enormously (doubling or even tripling) in the next few months.

I think Mike has the right perspective (after we get over the immediate emergency conditions): In most parts of the country, there isn't an issue. Today (subject to change) 85% of the country has essentially the same abortion protection and access for 99% of cases as it did before Dobbs. We need to collectively sort our way through this.
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Thank you Gentlemen for adding important details and clarification.

With the advancement of the Sciences in the past 100 years, with what I piece together....I was dumbstruck by this...even though we were forewarned. It seemed so absolutely contrary to the ideas of web of life, the interconnected reality that we exist in.

It just seems so like, duh. It's common knowledge that women can live on their own and make their own choices.

When Roe was written, women as well as all of the rest of life on this planet that wasnt a human male were still legally property in many ways, not seen as capable autonomous living forces with their own right to live as they saw fit.

What I am really really hoping is that now that our Culture does for the most part understand and embrace the fact that women and men are both entitled to live as they see best, that they have a right to be and make choices .....that, this Dobbs case will in a very real way stop the blind destructive mindset and lifestyles that is culturally entangled upon us, and that we can move on and up to living more sustainable here on Gaia, and that the water that runs in a river, or a tree that grows in the woods will on day be included in our laws of life forces that have the autonomy to be their own entity.

I know that idea is highly controversial, that water should have it's own right to exist as it is and not simply as a commodity to be use bought or sold. But Rivers are alive with millions of life forces in them which have a right to be. The tree in the forest as well.

I told my daughter when she asked what was going on with this, not to worry that her right to be, to exist as an independent person who can make her own choices,
is being taken away. Its not. That fact is firmly established, with a google amount of legal and scientific data to support it.

I dont think that with Roe on the books as it was though that River, or Tree could ever be acknowledged as having any rights of it's own, and without humans knowing that the river has a right to be, we will just continue to pollute and use and destroy it until it is dead. Roe did a wonderful job of breaking cultures ideals, and giving women the right to live as they need.

Its well past time though to look at how humanity lives among the other inhabitants of this planet, from the microbes to the whales, and the air and the soil itself and start acting in accordance to the Laws of Nature which grant the right to exist to all living things and to limited competition of resources. We cant get to that point if we cling to any ideal that humanity is the culmination of all creation and as such is entitled to do what ever it pleases to any and everything, without repercussions.

I truly hope that as in other countries, we here in the USA will grant the right to exist to Rivers, and Forests and I hope that one day our ancestors read history books and they say Omg, I cant believe they had to pass a law to not pollute River and let Her be, because (I hope) they will know in thier heart of hearts that of course the tree in the forest has a right to live, and is not just there for humans to use, that it is allready being used by a billion of other non human beings, and those non human being have every right to that tree because they are part of that tree, just like we are.
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Veronica wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:28 am It just seems so like, duh. It's common knowledge that women can live on their own and make their own choices.

When Roe was written, women as well as all of the rest of life on this planet that wasnt a human male were still legally property in many ways, not seen as capable autonomous living forces with their own right to live as they saw fit.

What I am really really hoping is that now that our Culture does for the most part understand and embrace the fact that women and men are both entitled to live as they see best, that they have a right to be and make choices
"For the most part" I think is correct. There are, however, substantial forces in this country that either don't accept the above as currently true OR - more to the point - want to undo it. The trio of foreclosing abortion rights, going after right to contraception next, and expecting a woman to be comply with men's sexual demands (returned to property status) would have obvious conclusions.
that, this Dobbs case will in a very real way stop the blind destructive mindset and lifestyles that is culturally entangled upon us, and that we can move on and up to living more sustainable here on Gaia, and that the water that runs in a river, or a tree that grows in the woods will on day be included in our laws of life forces that have the autonomy to be their own entity.
I always support wishing for good things :) . I don't think Dobbs can do that. It seems it can only accelerate dovishness, at least in the short run (say, the next 10 years). Roe issues will now have to be fought out in each state individually, concurrent with new life being breathed into the most repressive parts of the Republican party now that members of Congress actually have power to do something either to liberalize abortion nationwide or completely shut it down nationwide.
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What really boggles my mind is how on a planet with over 7.7 billion human beings, grossly overpopulated.....a womans descion to not add to the fundamental problem ....completely regardless of her unique person situation......is not a global law for all of humanity.

I choose not to have children because I truly feel the Mother Nature needs a break.
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The current conversation is that countries are hurting because they aren't replacing population as fast as it's dying off - population has been slowing a lot - and this is seen as a threat to the economy.
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Those are the words used by Fox, Beetle, Dove, Willow and all the other "Countries" species.......not just humans.

Yet according to them, the human species is the only one consistently persistently growing....

they dont have a PowerPoint presentation of course nor a theme song so their voices dont get heard well by most.
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Jim Eshelman wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:47 am The current conversation is that countries are hurting because they aren't replacing population as fast as it's dying off - population has been slowing a lot - and this is seen as a threat to the economy.
I do understand that is what is being said....but I dont think that is the reality.
https://www.worldometers.info/world-pop ... n-by-year/

births per day globally outweight deaths per day.
The threat to the global economy is one species that believes it is above the rest.
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Yes, that's what I get (approximately) too. Here's a snapshot from a world population counter. Notice the equation. (The dial keeps spinning like an odometer on the freeway.)
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The U.S. is essentially zero population growth. Instead of population growing two people per second, it's one person every 12 or 13 seconds.
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The USA is only one country on a planet, part of a global population.

The sprawl that keeps sprawling is clearly shown on a quick perusal of Google Maps. You can see it live and personal how the human community of life has basically overcome every inch of the planet.

Over population is a very touchy subject and I really wish I knew the answer but I will keep feeding the wildlife because they really need alot more help coping with their neighbors and kin. Population increases with food.
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My new lunar isnt till the 10th.
I have my first performance review at the Natural Foods Center I work with.

I previously had mentioned applying for a posted Night supervisior position, which did and did not pan out. It panned out that I was able to shift my hours so that I have now a set consistent schedule (basically 12:30 to 9:30), one that works extremely well car sharing with the kids so I dont feel like I'm burning the candle at both ends anymore, but they nixed the position at this time so I didnt get any more responsibilities per say, nor any pay increase.

I've never worked in the private sector to get raises, as a civil servant I always knew I would get cost of living increases, so this is really a different situation for me to be in.

I do feel extremely valued and helpful, and even with the unwanted and awkward advances made by customers, I feel like I am part of an organization that fits me and aligns with my own character.

I'm a tad nervous because the one manager has his Sun conjuct my Saturn, square my Mercury, and thus also possibly (?) in mundane aspect to my Moon, and he will be part of my review team.

My chart for today seems positive, yet the Moon is conjuctish my Pluto, which makes me feel like I might not see much more money coming my way. Regardless though I enjoy the job, and until The Great Mother aligns me with other work She needs done, I will happily help out here.

Time will tell!!
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My review was postponed till 5:30, instead of 12:30, so the manager previously mentioned was not there.
Much different from the Library reviews I have gotten in the past, where the constructive criticism- opportunity for improving was such a big part.
It made me recall how I once instead of a raise, I got a t-shirt, the pat on the back award, with a huge handprint on the back...
Yesterday though, I GOT A .75 CENT RAISE!
.50 was for outstanding customer service and merit!

Woohoo!
I know to people who make big bucks that really doesnt seem much but that's about 2 grand more a year!! That is really going to be helpful!

It was so nice to hear them say how I am a great role model, so knowledgeable about our products and services, and how they have gotten great feedback about me from other staff and the customers.

I remember when I was finishing high school and had wanted to move to Los Angels and work at Trader Joe's because They paid cashiers $19 an hour. My mind was swimming thinking of all that money doing something I loved. Of course my family thought there was no way I could live in LA on that and my mom really wanted me to go to college, the only women in her family to do so. So I stayed and went to college and then worked with my mom at the downtown library until she passed.

So yea that Moon to my Pluto and angle were very positive.
of course, I do work hard and show up and leave personal problems at the door so to speak so one would have thought it would turn out ok. Yet other times, in other situations I have done the same and it didnt seemingly turn out ok.
This time though I think the difference is that I truly have no expectations of reward, that no carrot is being waved in front of me, I just really like going there and helping out, it's not about making money it about building healthy connections and communities and feeling like I'm a part of something bigger then myself that is making the world a more beautiful place.
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My father had his 88th solar return on July 4. He was born July 3, 1934 Rochester NY time unknown.

He is abreast his 3rd Saturn return.

My younger brother took him out on the 3rd to his place, so I went and visited with him on the 4th, his actual return date this year. I didnt want him to spend his SSR alone and sad.

We had a great visit all in all, but of course true to his nature he eventually wanted to talk politics (noting here that this was right after Roe was overturned, which I thought he would have things to say about...but he didnt say one word and neither did I).
He wanted to talk about the Trump hearings.

Yet after a few sentences it was clear he actually digging at something deeper. He went on and on about his lively discussions about politics with his sister, Magoo, how she just hates hates hates Trump, and that how nothing he ever says about the good things Trump has done persuades her to soften her heart, or open her mind.

Now, I have openly talked about astrology to my dad. He has pointedly asked me to explain how it could work, how I can believe, and over the years his language toward me has shifted from straight out calling me and these ideas kooky, crazy, stupid and ignorant to a more respectful, I understand you feel differently and experience life differently....

He was calling Magoo stupid and ignorant and emotional and prejudiced because she didnt like Trump, who my father adores. So as I listened to him vent his frustration in not being able, no matter what he has done, to come to peace with his sister over her contrary feelings.
He was at a loss in a way, yet he admitted that he loved having these altercations with Magoo because he would get her all riled up and emotional and that it was fun and funny for him to see how quick she could loose her cool.

Well, hmmm. I didnt really care to hear that my dad delighted in pushing buttons just to get a reaction out my sweet Aunt.

so I thought about Magoo and Trump. I have never looked at my Aunts chart.

I asked him if he wanted to stop this fighting, to find a way to get beyond and to be able to understand deeper. I said to him that you have tried every single thing you know to say but it just isnt working. You need to say something completely new.
I told him that I knew what he could say to Magoo that would be able to once and for all put things in perspective and end the bickering and prejudice.

I told him that it is going to sound absolutely crazy, but that with this one shift in thought, with this one opening of the mind and heart he could say something that no one ever will be able to dispute.

I then backpedaled and gave a quick scientific encapsulation of life, and humans and chemistry.
I reminded him of his specific biochemical organism, it's strange nuances and characteristics which can be modeled with different symbolic language.

I told him then that if he truly never wants to get into another debate with Magoo about Trump (or anyone about anything) all he has to say is this....

"Omg, that is soooo interesting. I recently started studying this cool new hard core science called Sidereal Astrology, and long story short....of course you dont like Trump for goodness sake, your Saturn is opposite his, and your Mercurys are opposite too....with a synastry chart like that Trump is a very bad day for you, you cant help but not like him and you cant even articulate why because it's an innate biochemical reaction that you have no control over....
Just like the reason that you do espouse liking Biden is because you have a very strong positive venus connection to him, you are biologically programmed to be attracted to Biden and repelled by Trump. It's completely out of your control."

Silence
long silence from dad
Then he wanted to know if that was true.
I told him I was only guessing because I had never seen Magoo s chart, but that I knew Trumps very well. I said...let's look...what is Magoos birthdate ....
Jan.23 1932.
.....

He said he would never be able to convince Magoo he knew astrology.

We spent time looking at charts of people he loved and admired, as well as people he hated, comparing his synastry with them and exploring the roots of his feelings.

For me this understanding is so liberating, yet for my father it seemed completely disempowering. When I showed him how even the entertainers we are drawn too, the musicians we like, the actors we prefer are all synastry he seemed to really have an egoic moment and not want to think that it wasnt all his conscious choice.

I dont know how much more time he will be alive, I committed to him that I will come and help him and visit every Friday and he can call if he needs anything. I'm going to try and make the most of the time I can with him.

I told him that him and I have a very very beautiful and loving and fun synasty. That when his chart shines on mine I feel loved and valued and respected and that I hope when he feels my chart that he feels all my love and admiration and respect and niceness to the max.
Yes, I cried as I told him that.
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:D 8-)
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V, using astrology toward a person who does not understand the language of astrology as you do--- that is the most beautiful expression of love toward a family member I have ever witness. Very 8-)
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SteveS wrote: Fri Jul 22, 2022 3:54 pm V, using astrology toward a person who does not understand the language of astrology as you do--- that is the most beautiful expression of love toward a family member I have ever witness. Very 8-)
I don't think I could have said it better than Steve. That's really beautiful Veronica. I think you shine your starlight on many more people than you might realize.
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SteveS wrote: Fri Jul 22, 2022 3:54 pm V, using astrology toward a person who does not understand the language of astrology as you do--- that is the most beautiful expression of love toward a family member I have ever witness. Very 8-)
:)

well, it's the truth

and the truth is always said with love in your voice, naturally.
People can hear the difference
Sidereal Astrology is the hard core of hard core sciences.
I know that if it was tested like the way Tropical was,
it would pass with high honors! (great episode of InSearch of With Leonard Nimoy about astrology being put to the test btw.)
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LeiLei wrote: Fri Jul 22, 2022 9:09 pm
SteveS wrote: Fri Jul 22, 2022 3:54 pm
I don't think I could have said it better than Steve. That's really beautiful Veronica. I think you shine your starlight on many more people than you might realize.
Thank you LeiLei.
That's nice of you to say.


7.7 billion people on Earth right now....
untold number of nonpeople lifeforms.....
Shining is what we are made to do
whether it's for a million people
or one little spider hiding in the corner
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