Here is a superlative example of an “outstanding” Saturn-Neptune “incident” for JFK’s 1962 SSR preceding the Cuban Missile Crises in Oct 1962. Also note his p. SSR Moon partile/exact conjunct his SSR Mars when the Cuban Missile Crises started.
https://ibb.co/TYrzhJy
How did JFK react to this Cuban Missile Crises? Jim has always taught us to go to the Natal Planets on SSR angles to understand how one is reacting to their SSR’s. Link below showing JFK’s 1962 SSR (inside wheel) with his Natal (outside wheel). Note his Natal Mars partile conjunct his SSR ASC, and his Natal Saturn-Neptune conjunction calculating a partile direct midpoint with his SSR IC.
https://ibb.co/qggL50B
JFK's Saturn-Neptune 1962 SSR "outstanding incident"
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Re: JFK's Saturn-Neptune 1962 SSR "outstanding incident"
The SR to Moon (dated about a month before the crisis) seems right on point...
(SR: inner, natal: outer)
http://www.james-alexander.de/JFK_SRtoM ... issile.png
(SR: inner, natal: outer)
http://www.james-alexander.de/JFK_SRtoM ... issile.png
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Re: JFK's Saturn-Neptune 1962 SSR "outstanding incident"
Please keep discussion of this experimental technique in the Experimental section. I'll come back and trim this later.ODdOnLifeItself wrote: Sun Sep 25, 2022 3:15 am The SR to Moon (dated about a month before the crisis) seems right on point...
(SR: inner, natal: outer)
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Re: JFK's Saturn-Neptune 1962 SSR "outstanding incident"
When studying various events of the Kennedy administration for SMA, I kept noticing that Kennedy's charts were threatening his entire term. Almost any point in the last two years of his life could have looked like assassination charts or similar sneak attacks. This was the very peak of the Cold War and the CMC is as close to a peak event of the era as you're going to find.
The only reason BTW that it's not in SMA is that it doesn't fit into any category studied. I posted a mundane astrology breakdown of it about five years ago here: https://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php? ... 871&p=4823
It's possibly the most significant transiting Mars-Saturn opposition in modern history! (The opposition from Cancer to Capricorn stretched through the whole period, peaking on October 21.)
But, as Steve mentioned, Kennedy's charts were (to understate) difficult. He spent his entire term of office managing Cold War realities. The build-up in Cuba began over the summer. Though the State Department had the key information the night before (by 8:30 PM October 15), JFK first learned at his morning briefing on October 16 - and events unfolded from there, across about two weeks.
His SSR from May 3, 1962 (Steve's example above) is utterly clear. It's greatest weakness is that it speaks so loudly of war that (from an astrological perspective) it's almost disappointing we didn't have open warfare. But war it was, and war (with strong statesmanship shining through) is what the SSR shows. Transiting Mars 0°39' from EP, natal Mars 0°18' from Asc, natal Jupiter 3° below Asc. (Plenty of Eris, too: Transiting Eris was 0°11' from Asc, 0°07' from conjunct natal Mars mundo.) These set the tone. Then, wider two Neptunes and some natal Saturn.
Moon told the rest: Partile conjunct Mars (mundane), closely square natal Saturn. An astonishing Mars transit to his Neptune AND Neptune transit to his Mars and Saturn. (Perhaps you see why I think this is as likely an assassination chart as the one in '63: The forces were already in motion.)
His September 27 SLR is interesting in entirely different ways. The entire crisis (except for cleanup) occurred in the four weeks of this SLR. If matters were only left to the SSR, I'd have expected Kennedy to go all-in on war. Instead, he resolved the matter with artful diplomacy, creating entirely new language and approaches that surely was the basis of our all surviving the Cold War without a single intentional nuclear explosion. What the SLR shows is perhaps much surprise but, I think, even more, enormous inventiveness and ingenuity aimed at victory through diplomacy.
Two Uranuses take the lead: Transiting Uranus 0°07' from Asc, natal Uranus 0°59' from WP-a. Transiting Jupiter nearly ties them, 1°24' off Descendant. (Lesser angularities include transiting Pluto and natal Mercury, Mars, and Jupiter.)
The key is in the aspects: A transiting Jupiter-Uranus opposition (1°18' in mundo) is the guts of the chart. Add to this a mundane Jupiter-Pluto opposition (2°24') which fits the above plus describes Cold War political intrigue admirably. This is the chart that let him save us.
Additionally, Kennedy had all of his best resources about him. His natal Mercury-Mars-Jupiter conjunction square Uranus was foreground.
Here's the SLR breakdown:
The only reason BTW that it's not in SMA is that it doesn't fit into any category studied. I posted a mundane astrology breakdown of it about five years ago here: https://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php? ... 871&p=4823
It's possibly the most significant transiting Mars-Saturn opposition in modern history! (The opposition from Cancer to Capricorn stretched through the whole period, peaking on October 21.)
But, as Steve mentioned, Kennedy's charts were (to understate) difficult. He spent his entire term of office managing Cold War realities. The build-up in Cuba began over the summer. Though the State Department had the key information the night before (by 8:30 PM October 15), JFK first learned at his morning briefing on October 16 - and events unfolded from there, across about two weeks.
His SSR from May 3, 1962 (Steve's example above) is utterly clear. It's greatest weakness is that it speaks so loudly of war that (from an astrological perspective) it's almost disappointing we didn't have open warfare. But war it was, and war (with strong statesmanship shining through) is what the SSR shows. Transiting Mars 0°39' from EP, natal Mars 0°18' from Asc, natal Jupiter 3° below Asc. (Plenty of Eris, too: Transiting Eris was 0°11' from Asc, 0°07' from conjunct natal Mars mundo.) These set the tone. Then, wider two Neptunes and some natal Saturn.
Moon told the rest: Partile conjunct Mars (mundane), closely square natal Saturn. An astonishing Mars transit to his Neptune AND Neptune transit to his Mars and Saturn. (Perhaps you see why I think this is as likely an assassination chart as the one in '63: The forces were already in motion.)
His September 27 SLR is interesting in entirely different ways. The entire crisis (except for cleanup) occurred in the four weeks of this SLR. If matters were only left to the SSR, I'd have expected Kennedy to go all-in on war. Instead, he resolved the matter with artful diplomacy, creating entirely new language and approaches that surely was the basis of our all surviving the Cold War without a single intentional nuclear explosion. What the SLR shows is perhaps much surprise but, I think, even more, enormous inventiveness and ingenuity aimed at victory through diplomacy.
Two Uranuses take the lead: Transiting Uranus 0°07' from Asc, natal Uranus 0°59' from WP-a. Transiting Jupiter nearly ties them, 1°24' off Descendant. (Lesser angularities include transiting Pluto and natal Mercury, Mars, and Jupiter.)
The key is in the aspects: A transiting Jupiter-Uranus opposition (1°18' in mundo) is the guts of the chart. Add to this a mundane Jupiter-Pluto opposition (2°24') which fits the above plus describes Cold War political intrigue admirably. This is the chart that let him save us.
Additionally, Kennedy had all of his best resources about him. His natal Mercury-Mars-Jupiter conjunction square Uranus was foreground.
Here's the SLR breakdown:
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Pl Longitude Lat Speed RA Decl Azi Alt PVL Ang G
Transiting Planets
Ur 8Le43'37" 0N43 + 3'21" 155° 9' 11N 6 75°36' - 0° 6' 0° 7' 100% A
Ju 10Aq16'10" 1S23 - 5'55" 336°52' 11S 9 254°28' + 1°21' 181°24' 99% D
Pl 16Le28'50" 12N59 + 1'57" 167°22' 19N31 61°29' - 3°21' 3°49' 96% A
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Radical Planets
Ur 0Aq 7'39" 0S43 - 0' 2" 326°54' 14S 5 258°21' - 8° 2' 171°47' 99% Wa
Ju 29Ar27'22" 0S50 +13'58" 51°30' 17N53 191°35' +68°39' 265°31' 95% M
Me 27Ar 0' 8" 3S38 + 1'27" 49°46' 14N34 194°13' +65° 4' 263°29' 89% M
Ma 24Ar50'24" 0S16 +43'43" 46°41' 17N13 202°58' +66°53' 260°33' 77% M
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Class 1 Aspects Other Partile Aspects
tJu op tUr 1°18' 97% M tMe sq tMa 0°45' 99%
tJu op tPl 2°24' 89% M ----------------------
---------------------- tSu sq rPl 0° 8'100%
rMe co rMa 2°10' 91% ----------------------
rMe co rJu 2° 1' 92% M
rMe sq rUr 1°42' 94% M
rMa sq rUr 1°15' 97% M
rJu sq rUr 0°40' 99%Jim Eshelman
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Re: JFK's Saturn-Neptune 1962 SSR "outstanding incident"
Excellent observations Jim. Indeed, that double whammy of SLR Jupiter-Uranus (Ebertin's "Thank you Lord" combo), literally was the saving grace from the heavens which saved the USA/World from a very malefic set-up with his 1962 SSR. JFK's 1962 SSR and the 1962 Cansolar are truly classic charts to study for understanding how a timed President's life with return charts can somethimes interwind with Sidereal Mundane Astrology charts. In this case it was about necular weapons.