Joseph Biden

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:28 am

Biden’s next SSR for his home residence (? where he will be located on his b-day) is pause for concern, featuring a double dose of Neptune with SSR Neptune partile cnj SSR ASC; t. Neptune partile 180 Natal MC (locked-in for his entire solar year); a SSR Moon widely cnj Natal Saturn with an exact converse cnj in 2022. Also what is somewhat worrisome is SSR Mars partile cnj Natal Mars which is another locked-in aspect for his entire solar year. “Partile aspects reign supreme.” The only benefic influence I see for this SSR is a background partile 90 of Me-Jup.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Sat Aug 28, 2021 8:37 am

Yes, it's not pleasant. From the time he became President, he's been under rough stuff - Neptune crossing his IC by transit being a big deal by itself. We have seen him handle natal Saturn well (he just works harder and, I suspect, beats himself up in private, while tending to show Scorpionic strength and persistence), but I'm sure all that Neptune is eroding him.

Add that the 2022 Capsolar has an exact Sun-Pluto conjunction on an angle. This probably paints a bigger target on his forehead than usual. My published forecast for 2022 begins:

For the United States, the 12 months beginning January 15, 2022 are an accounting cycle for the Biden administration. Midterm elections nearly always weigh against the White House so, independent of astrology, we expect Democratic losses in the Senate and House of Representatives. With a Capsolar that is anti-President, anti-establishment, and more generally antigovernment, Republican gains seem certain.

Sun conjunct Pluto (1°21') is the primary aspect this year. Pluto, missing from 2021 Capsolar angles, has returned to angularity (square Ascendant 1°29'). Although the range of Sun-Pluto themes is diverse, from severe natural disasters to political confrontation, they always invite unprecedented conditions and irrevocable shifts of circumstances. Typical motifs include rebellion against prevailing conditions, assault on or removal of those in power, and disrespect for and disobeying the law. People demand freedom from arbitrary control or leadership that they feel is failing them. Especially with Pluto in Capricorn, more people think of themselves as sovereign, "a law unto oneself" or "exception to the rules," leading to increased lawlessness.

Crime is up. People feel that their neighborhoods are more dangerous. Moon opposes Mars and squares Neptune. Mundanely, Mars square Neptune is only 0°05' wide in Washington. Sun conjunct Pluto and Moon-Mars-Neptune also amps up the physical threat to the President or, if not him directly, then the Federal government, perhaps through heightened domestic terrorism. Expect a year of ferocious civil unrest as what was once called "civilization" rips open with unaddressed grievance while struggling to settle into some new pattern in which people feel greater safety and security.

There may be war - or there may just be war against Biden.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Sat Aug 28, 2021 8:49 am

Jim wrote:

…but I'm sure all that Neptune is eroding him.

Indeed! At his age I fear for his health.
Jim wrote:

There may be war - or there may just be war against Biden.

I was thinking the same combined with the tight 180 of Moon-Mars in the 2020 Capsolar. His SLR’S may reveal timing clues.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Sat Aug 28, 2021 9:27 am

SteveS wrote: Sat Aug 28, 2021 8:49 am
There may be war - or there may just be war against Biden.
I was thinking the same combined with the tight 180 of Moon-Mars in the 2020 Capsolar. His SLR’S may reveal timing clues.

It's worse: Ecliptically, it's just Moon opposite Mars. Mundanely:

21°51' H2 - Mars
21°57' H5 - Neptune
24°02' H8 - Moon

It's Moon to Mars-Neptune! There is no more characteristic aspect than Mars-Neptune for deaths of leaders or other similarly severe crises for them. Mars-Neptune aspects are the most common (to a statistically significant level) for these events, with Moon-Mars aspects (tied with Moon-Pluto) the most common Moon aspect.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Sat Aug 28, 2021 12:16 pm

Jim wrote:

It's worse: Ecliptically, it's just Moon opposite Mars. Mundanely:
21°51' H2 - Mars
21°57' H5 - Neptune
24°02' H8 - Moon

Damn, I have got to get in the habit of always calculating the mundane charts. Thanks for the mundane aspects.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Fri Nov 19, 2021 5:59 pm

I haven't written anything about Biden's SSR. When I was writing the November mundane forecasts almost a year, it didn't seem I had much to say about it. I should probably jot at least a few words. (BTW Ken Bowser posted a full treatment of Biden's SSR recently.)

It's not a great SSR. t's kinda lousy, in fact. It's main features are transiting Neptune on an angle (as it is to his birth chart by transit for the first half of his presidency) and SSR Moon conjunct natal Saturn and square transiting Saturn. Let's work it up. (I still can't use TMSA for SSRs because it doesn't yet capture Moon aspects in SSRs, so I'll do it the older way. Outcomes the spreadsheet!)

President Biden's SSR occurs November 20, 2021, 1:43:22 PM EST, Washington, DC. (TMSA gives 1:43:58, which is probably more accurate, but I'll stick with SF's numbers so all the math is internally consistent.)

r Neptune on Asc -7°13'
t Neptune on Asc -1°23'

t Moon-Saturn sq. 1°07' M
t Moon co. r Saturn 2°42' M

(no foreground aspects)

Other partile
t Sedna op. r Sun 0°04'
t Pluto op. r Jupiter 0°04' M
t Saturn op. r Pluto 0°05'
t Mercury-Jupiter sq. 0°19'
t Mars co. r Mars 0°31' M
t Mars op. r Eris 0°46' M
t Pluto-Eris sq. 0°53'
t Uranus co. r Eris 0°54' M
t Sedna op. r Venus 0°56'

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Fri Nov 19, 2021 6:30 pm

These few main features are at least depleting, and may become outright tragic. Over the next year, we don't expect the successes he had this year - but, then, we wouldn't expect that (it being an election year) even if we didn't have astrology. His mood may become morbid. He experiences grief. He feels lost in the enormity of things, but this comes with a job: An abundance of Neptune doesn't end up hurting most presidents, it just shows that the job has great swarm and confusion of facts. The Saturn-Neptune pair could mean scandal of some sort, though this doesn't seem Biden's style. Rather, I think conditions are going to make the job barely manageable.

There is also greater risk to his health. This is not a healthy chart.

Next year's Capsolar shows the U.S. primarily bringing its leadership to task. It will be a tough year for Biden. OTOH he has shown, in his first year in office, that he uses Saturn primarily to buckle down and work hard - work nonstop - often getting success from just trying harder. t's hard to read successes into this chart, but I think he'll have a few.

Besides the two foreground Neptunes and two Moon-Saturn aspects, everything that matters in the chart are the non-foreground partile aspects. Most intriguingly, Sedna is a mere 0°04' from opposite his Sun. I don't know what that means, but we're sure going to watch it for the year! Other aspects just as close are Pluto opposite his Jupiter and Saturn opposite his Pluto. We've interpreted these repeatedly in the ongoing forecasts. A Mercury-Jupiter square suggests a path to success. OTOH, Mars partile conjunct his Mars shows a year of struggle, conflict, and competition (it's a midterm election year!). We should probably watch for Anlunars that bring Mars-Uranus to his Mars to the angles. These happen April 6, May 30, August 20, and November 10.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Sat Nov 20, 2021 5:43 am

Thanks Jim.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Sat Nov 20, 2021 5:47 pm

Here's Biden's SSR breakdown from the new 0.4.1 preview release of TMSA - including the "jump out in your face" Moon aspects. See how easy it is to get all the important SSR interpretive features in a glance? WAY faster than I can do it any other way.

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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
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                           Transiting Planets                           
Mo 18Ta49'53" 01N07 +11°48'  72°22' 23N35  11°53' -26°36'  67°38'  15%  
Su 03Sc37'11" 00S00 + 1°01' 236°26' 19S52 208°53' +25°50' 225°05'  14%  
Me 28Li48'39" 00N13 + 1°36' 231°32' 18S32 214°08' +25°03' 219°47'  25%  
Ve 18Sg22'07" 03S36 + 0°47' 284°58' 26S21 159°44' +21°52' 310°48'  23%  
Ma 19Li18'37" 00N17 + 0°41' 221°59' 15S52 224°11' +22°38' 210°53'  40%  
Ju 29Cp07'12" 01S04 + 0°06' 326°50' 14S29 118°41' +10°45' 347°47'  64%  
Sa 13Cp11'42" 00S49 + 0°04' 310°53' 19S00 133°39' +17°21' 336°39'  12%  
Ur 17Ar06'07" 00S25 - 0°02'  39°50' 15N05  46°30' -22°06'  29°14'  43%  
Ne 25Aq23'38" 01S09 - 0°00' 351°40' 04S51  95°13' - 1°16'   1°17' 100% F
Pl 29Sg45'39" 01S41 + 0°01' 297°04' 22S50 147°23' +20°56' 324°38'   2%  
Er 28Pi52'13" 11S28 - 0°00'  26°20' 01S24  69°24' -25°36'  27°06'  46%  
Se 03Ta41'01" 12S02 - 0°01'  59°09' 08N07  31°38' -37°39'  55°47'   1%  
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                            Radical Planets                             
Mo 07Ar02'43" 04S22 +12°36'  31°26' 08N05  58°10' -22°22'  25°50'  49%  
Su 03Sc37'11" 00S00 + 1°01' 236°26' 19S52 208°53' +25°50' 225°05'  15%  
Me 27Li35'47" 00N22 + 1°36' 230°20' 18S04 215°29' +24°55' 218°41'  27%  
Ve 04Sc36'51" 00N24 + 1°15' 237°33' 19S41 207°52' +26°25' 226°44'  12%  
Ma 18Li39'02" 00N19 + 0°41' 221°20' 15S39 224°53' +22°28' 210°23'  41%  
Ju 01Cn11'39" 00N09 - 0°02' 118°16' 21N03 325°26' -21°59' 144°34'   2%  
Sa 16Ta00'47" 01S57 - 0°05'  69°47' 20N10  15°19' -29°28'  64°57'   7%  
Ur 08Ta50'04" 00S10 - 0°03'  61°54' 20N46  23°10' -26°52'  52°10'   4%  
Ne 07Vi34'31" 01N19 + 0°01' 182°55' 00N10 264°28' + 7°04' 187°06'  87% F
Pl 13Cn17'11" 05N00 - 0°00' 132°09' 23N00 315°08' -13°26' 161°18'  31%  
Er 10Pi38'14" 25S59 - 0°00'  15°58' 21S30  94°24' -30°06'  30°11'  41%  
Se 26Pi35'22" 10S09 - 0°00'  23°46' 00S59  71°00' -23°26'  24°38'  51%  
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    Class 1 Aspects          Class 2 Aspects         Class 3 Aspects     
tMo sq tSa 01°00'  98% M
tMo co rSa 02°41'  86% M                                                
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                     Non-Foreground Partile Aspects                     
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                        tMe sq tJu 00°19' 100%                          
                        tPl sq tEr 00°53'  98%                          
                        tMa co rMa 00°31'  99% M                        
                        tMa op rEr 00°43'  99% M                        
                        tSa op rPl 00°05' 100%                          
                        tUr co rEr 00°57'  98% M                        
                        tPl op rJu 00°04' 100% M                        
                        tSe op rSu 00°04' 100%                          
                        tSe op rVe 00°56'  98%

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:54 am

Biden's first appointment to the Supreme Court was a person so qualified and honorable that it virtually silenced all rancor in her fairly rapid confirmation. Almost bizarrely, several Republicans made the clear statement they were voting against her and then went on to praise her abilities, experience, and character.

Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson was confirmed by the U.S. Senate April 7, 2022, at 2:19 PM EDT in the Capitol Building, Washington, DC. Given that Biden has generally difficult return charts, I was looking to Jupiter's transit of his natal or local IC to confirm and fine-tune his birth time. If we got that, then his time is several minutes later than thought - and the given time has been performing as if exactly right. Here are the positions for his 8:30 AM time:

24°29' Aqu - DC local IC
25°58' Aqu - r IC
27°49' Aqu - t Jupiter

This would require his birth time be about 8 minutes later. I doubt this is true, but of course I could be wrong (hence wanting to check it with this critical event). If the given time is correct then the critical Jupiter transit event occurred March 30.

In the past, Biden has been highly responsive to quotidians (one of the reasons I've been confident about his given birth time). How do they perform this time?

13°17'/ - r Pluto
13°51' Can - SNQ Asc

SNQ MC was 1°29' past sq. his Jupiter, consistent with earlier observations that, if anything, the birth time worked better earlier. In fact, it was p Mercury op. r Jupiter 0°05', which is really fitting, but the birth time would need to be at least 2 minutes earlier.

17°05' Ari - s Uranus
17°38' Ari - SQ MC
18°09' Lib - r Mars
18°12' Ari - t Uranus

12°46' Can - SQ EP
13°13' Cap - s Saturn
13°17' Can - r Pluto
(This is bad. A forthcoming TMSA version will make it easy to check this in RA later.)

The Pluto presence for an unprecedented and potentially transformative event is consistent with the Pluto domination of the mundane charts (Capsolar and CapQ).

I don't know if we learned anything from this. I'm left with the same opinion I had in the beginning, which is that we should keep watching this chart for fine-tuning but the time looks to be correct nearly to the minute, and perhaps should be a few minutes earlier.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Thu Jul 21, 2022 12:02 pm

Pres. Biden tested positive for Covid-19 this morning and is reported experiencing light symptoms.

He's had a rough patch lately, including a progressed Moon-Neptune aspect that is now separating but in orb. He' also had a string of tough lunars.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Fri Jul 22, 2022 1:27 am

When I first looked at his current SSR and other charts months ago, at is age, I was concerened about health issues with all of the prominent Neptune symbolism.

ODdOnLifeItself · Post by **ODdOnLifeItself** » Fri Jul 22, 2022 5:28 am

Video shows him turning around to shake someone's hand, even when there is no one remotely there. It's not an isolated thing, there are multiple videos showing the same thing. (think doddering old man just coming off an anesthetic and you won't need to watch the videos) [fitting Steve's Neptunian elements from his temporary charts]

After having seen the printed instruction card for him... "YOU take YOUR seat..." etc., I have to think he's wholly on auto-pilot and the flight-computer's gone haywire. I'd say replace him, but it appears any replacement was scraped from under the part of the barrel that was scraped that got us Joe.

I'd be surprised if we ever see another statesman in the role of President...it'll likely just be more politicians with not one whit of concern for Americans. Let's hope the U.S. Pluto return will either completely transform the country back into something closer to what the Forefathers fought for, or somehow the U.S. will be isolated and left to die. (seems to already be happening on some levels)

How much time is left in the average lifespan of empires through history from the time they appear to have gone completely berzerk?

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Fri Jul 22, 2022 6:09 am

James wrote:

I'd be surprised if we ever see another statesman in the role of President...it'll likely just be more politicians with not one whit of concern for Americans.

Exactly!

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Fri Jul 22, 2022 8:00 am

ODdOnLifeItself wrote: Fri Jul 22, 2022 5:28 am How much time is left in the average lifespan of empires through history from the time they appear to have gone completely berzerk?

Great Britain dates from 1066. That's nearly a thousand years so far.

While the U.S. Pluto return is surely being felt - or maybe it's just the quality of Pluto in Capricorn - a little sanity is introduced by looking at Great Britain's three Pluto returns in 1313-14, 1560-62, and 1808-10.

Probably the biggest thing in 1313-14 was when my lineal descendant, Robert the Bruce, reclaimed Scottish independence by beating Edward II. This didn't last, but it was a pretty big deal at the time. (Pluto was 2° past the conjunction. It was also Neptune opposite Neptune, of course, which was exact.)

If 1560, Scotland rejected the papacy and began the Scottish Reformation. This, however, is part of a larger, longer wave across Europe that Henry VIII had already led in England. There was drama around Mary Queen of Scots including her triumphant re-entry of Scotland (politics and family politics as usual, though great enough drama to fuel endless BBC movies).

1808-10 was part of the early "world war" that wasn't called a "world war" because it was only Europe and everything Europe touched - by which I mean the Napoleonic Wars. Certainly not linked to the stronger, more unified Great Britain, though the country was certainly involved. All of this probably meant a great deal at the time (for those living through it) but, on the scale of history (looking back), wasn't any sort of great disruption of the nation.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Sat Aug 06, 2022 5:05 am

If Biden is located at his Wilmingham home for his next SSR, it will set-up for a double whammy of angular Jupiter, much improved from his double whammy of Neptune with his current SSR. Got to be good for the USA as a whole, economically speaking. Also, his SQ & PSSR Moons will exactly square his SSR Pluto partile 90 his Natal Jupiter a few months after his 2022 SSR. Ebertin for Jup-Pl-Mo combo's:

Richness of feeling, desire to bring about social aspirations and improvements, ability to influence the masses or the public through an appeal to the feelings.

Time will tell.

Veronica · Post by **Veronica** » Sat Aug 06, 2022 8:12 am

Reading this reminds me of an incident a few weeks ago in which my father was lamenting the state of the world and USA, in relation to other countries...specifically China and Russia.
He said
The USA has lost its Prestige with the worlds leaders.

How appropriate with a Neptune aspect!

I told him that I thought that was wonderful being that the etymological meaning for prestige is magic and illusion, and that is not a good base for sound relationship to be built on anyways. I told him that our forefathers built our country on hard work and determination and an ideal that included all life to have the right to exist, and that maybe our first Pluto return as a Nation will gift us with the wisdom to see our own illusions and work harder to bring to reality a nation that really is about Liberty for all.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:09 am

SteveS wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 5:05 am If Biden is located at his Wilmingham home for his next SSR, it will set-up for a double whammy of angular Jupiter, much improved from his double whammy of Neptune with his current SSR. Got to be good for the USA as a whole, economically speaking.

Good catch - I hadn't looked ahead yet. For Wilmington, transiting Jupiter is 2°20' from MC. Here's the whole chart as broken down by TMSA:

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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
                           Transiting Planets                           
Ju 03Pi45'25" 01S28 - 0'37" 359°30' 01S49 177°22' +48°24' 272°20'  99% F
Ne 27Aq38'10" 01S13 - 0'27" 353°46' 04S01 185°44' +46°05' 264°30'  92% F
Pl 01Cp30'22" 02S13 + 1'12" 299°03' 23S01 232°22' + 6°45' 188°30'  81% F
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                            Radical Planets                             
Ne 07Vi34'31" 01N19 + 0°01' 182°56' 00N09 351°57' -49°49'  96°45'  88% F
Ju 01Cn11'39" 00N09 - 0°02' 118°17' 21N03  54°13' - 7°45'   9°32'  77% F
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    Class 1 Aspects
tPl op rJu 00°19'100%
tPl sq rNe 01°45' 94% M
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rJu sq rNe 02°47' 85%

Non-foreground partile aspects may also have a voice, and they are a mix (some real stinkers): a transiting Mercury-Venus conjunction (0°16'), transiting Mars-Neptune square (0°23'), Mercury opposite natal Uranus (0°17' mundo), and Saturn square natal Moon (0°13' mundo - ugh!).

But the overall chart is quite beneficent with that culminating Jupiter.

The chart for Washington is nearly as good, but Neptune is a little closer than Jupiter. He loses the foreground aspects (Pluto to natal Jupiter remains as a partile aspect but falls out of the foreground). Did he spend his last birthday at the White House or back in Wilmington? (I have to look back and see.) If he's in Washington, here are the angularities:

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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
                           Transiting Planets                           
Ne 27Aq38'10" 01S13 - 0'27" 353°46' 04S01 183°39' +47°02' 266°36'  97% F
Ju 03Pi45'25" 01S28 - 0'37" 359°30' 01S49 175°03' +49°10' 274°16'  95% F
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                            Radical Planets                             
Ne 07Vi34'31" 01N19 + 0°01' 182°56' 00N09 349°29' -50°28'  98°34'  81% F

I'd say this makes all the difference in the world! - And certainly better than Moon aspecting BOTH Saturns in the current SSR.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:14 am

Jim Eshelman wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:09 am Did he spend his last birthday at the White House or back in Wilmington? (I have to look back and see.)

I looked back and didn't find an explicit note. I posted his SSR for Washington and never changed it. I think he was in Washington.

Steve's right - it would be nice for all of us if he decided to get up to Wilmington for his 80th birthday weekend.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:00 pm

Just notice this calculated for his current SSR set to Wilmington: On mid-term election night Joe Biden has his SQ Moon partile conjunct SSR IC receiving a partile conjunction from transiting Mars, all in rotational square to his SSR Neptune partile conjunct his SSR ASC, maybe Paran formation. Could be this configuration manifests as greater disappointments with election results than expected, but it is normal for a sitting President to lose political ground with mid-term elections.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:40 pm

SteveS wrote: Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:00 pm Just notice this calculated for his current SSR set to Wilmington: On mid-term election night Joe Biden has his SQ Moon partile conjunct SSR IC receiving a partile conjunction from transiting Mars, all in rotational square to his SSR Neptune partile conjunct his SSR ASC, maybe Paran formation. Could be this configuration manifests as greater disappointments with election results than expected, but it is normal for a sitting President to lose political ground with mid-term elections.

His current SSR occurred in Washington IIRC, and in any case the question for a quotidian is where he will be when the event occurs. (That's not much different, though.) Confirming for midnight beginning November 9, 2022 (an hour after polls close in the est and always a convenient time for elections):

18°50' Tau - s Moon
19°24' Sco - SQ MC

0°14' Gem - SQ Moon
29°16' Sco - SSR MC
28°53' Tau - t Mars

Yes, transiting Neptune was partile conjunct SSR. I'm not persuaded that transiting parans are valid (but am willing to change my mind wats Mike gets those working: my issue is that nobody has had a way to calculate them accurately, so there is no evidence one way or the other).

The Mars transit to SSR IC alone shows being treated severely. This goes along with what I said above about his SLRs.

The only contradiction I see is PSSR Moon 3°07' just barely in partile orb of square transiting Jupiter.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:53 pm

Yes, I hear you Jim, maybe we get a later clue where he is for election night. As far as transiting parans Hand I thought made a good case for em and when I absorbed and had my large bussines account expense back in my glory days, I would travel for benefic transiting parans and I was convinced they added potency to the paran effect. When I spoke to Hand about em--he said they would never be proven one way or the other because it would be very difficult to get enough valid examples. IF the locations for Biden are correct we will be able to see a good example for a transiting paran for his SSR. If confirmed this may not even be symbolizing elections loss with the mid-terms---it may just be symbolizing a-lot of close contested elections. Time will soon tell.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:00 pm

SteveS wrote: Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:53 pm As far as transiting parans Hand I thought made a good case for em

He didn't correct for precession. Eiter is numbers are wrong and therefore we can't trust what he wrote, or transits work in the Tropical zodiac and we can hang up everything we think we know and go do Tropical. (I'm willing to retest them once Mike has the paran transit routines working.)

When I spoke to Hand about em--he said they would never be proven one way or the other because it would be very difficult to get enough valid examples.

It shouldn't be that hard. we can just apply them to every other event in the catalogue. The key is getting the math right: Nobody has yet written the program that will do that.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:11 pm

Jim wrote:

It shouldn't be that hard. we can just apply them to every other event in the catalogue. The key is getting the math right: Nobody has yet written the program that will do that.

By what Fagan said about Parans being the most potent of all aspects/configurations---in therory TPs should be a most potent effect. Of course--I have no choice but to leave it to you and Mike to work out the correct math, but in my mind I have questions about precession corrected or not---but we will save for a later discussion.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:22 pm

Most potent within a given chart isn't the same as most potent across two charts.

I think Fagan's statement, while ultimately true, is really an illusion based on two other, more basic things: Paranscis too limiting or narrow an answer. The deeper thing, I think is a simpler thing: The strongest aspect is an exact ecliptical or mundane aspect where both planets are simultaneously exactly angular. Parans happen to be a subset of this larger idea.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:40 pm

All I know Jim is a Paran is when two or more planets are simultaneously on the primary angles of a chart, and this makes perfect common sense to me as being the most potent of all configurations in astrology as Fagan stated-- per-se what Sidereal Astrology has to say about the primary angles of a chart involving planets. And I can see where a TP has many un answered questions attached to it. Again, in theory...

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Mon Nov 07, 2022 6:13 am

Biden on trail as campaign climaxes: CBS News Flash Nov. 7, 2022
The U.S. is just a day away from Election Day, and President Biden spent last night in Democratic New York state stumping for Gov. Kathy Hochul…

Jim, I think Biden awoke this morning in White Plains, NY, but not sure.
And we see nothing outstanding with an angular effect in his Nov 7 SLR, as we suspected to be the case. But, according to Fagan we do see this:

Transits and the Lunar Return:
In regard to the more rapidly moving planets, their transits only become significant if they should closely configure the birth planets on the date of a lunar return. For example, if Mars should be in exact opposition, conjunction, or to a lesser extent, square the radical sun on the date of a lunar return there will be a liability of an accident, hurt or illness. Otherwise such a transit may pass without anything untoward occurring. So it is always advisable to note all the transits to the birth planets, especially to the natal moon, that are exact or nearly so, on the date of a lunar return for they are certain to be effective. Indeed the Indian Janma-Rasi method of monthly prediction, which has proved so astonishingly successful, was probably originally based on such transits. Cyril Fagan

So, Biden's Nov 7 SLR calculates:
SLR Sun 19Lib52
SLR Mercury 19Lib39
SLR Uranus 21Ari56
Natal Mars 18Lib42
Ebertin’s COSI tone for this combination is:

The will to fight life’s battles, tendency to think critically, agitated thinking. Excitement or upset, argument, quarrel.

This seems to fit his immediate environment campaining.
Looking at the mundo SLR for White Plains calculates a partile Mars-Neptune 90 (Not good).

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Mon Nov 07, 2022 7:21 am

Thanks, Steve. - Actually, for White Plains he has two planets widely foreground (Class 3 angularity). The angularity is wide but the aspect is close!

t Pluto on IC -8°57'
r Jupiter on MC -8°41'

t Pluto op. r Jupiter 0°05'

This is one of the three 0°05' aspects in this chart in DC, though only two in White Plains. I agree that the partile non-foreground aspects look unhappy for the most part:

t Venus-Saturn sq. 0°05'
t Mercury co r Mars 0°25'
t Sun-Mercury co 0°48'
t Mars-Neptune sq 0°49' M

So how do we read this? Usually (but not always) Pluto to Jupiter works positively, but the background partile aspects look miserable. I'm not sure I'd change the outcome from my posted forecast for him:

...we have one minor interpretive option available. Even if not near angles, partile aspects have some voice. Primarily they show background context to the overt events anticipated by planets on angles. As they are the ONLY viable factors... they deserve mention. Overall, they are unpleasant, sad, disappointing, and likely angering or drawing forth strong words. These may, of course, have nothing to do with the election. As background energies, they may not be visible to the public. However, they do likely show the scenery against which he is living and experiencing his life. These aspects [for Washington] (with M to mark a mundane aspect) are: t Venus-Saturn sq 0°05'. t Mars-Neptune sq 0°05' M. t Pluto op r Jupiter 0°05'. t Mercury co r Mars 0°25'. t Sun-Mercury co 0°48'.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:21 am

Jim wrote/asked:

So how do we read this? Usually (but not always) Pluto to Jupiter works positively, but the background partile aspects look miserable.

Exactly Jim, I forgot/overlooked Biden’s Nov 7 SLR angular Pluto to Jupiter partile 180 aspect, it foretells an ‘outstanding incident’ with the midterms. And this Jupiter-Pluto aspect reminds me of the 2000 Libsolar when the partile 180 Jup-Pl was tight the MC/IC axis, and it foretold the ‘hanging chads’ Prez election crises in Fl.

When I first read Bradley’s book Solar & Lunar Returns he offered for angular Jup-Pl in Return Charts:

Jupiter-Pluto: No fights of the imagination are allowed by this planetary combination, which is the harbinger of the end of old and beginning of a new cycle in the native’s relationship to his career, his financial status, and the outside world. It is the marker of crises which make or break the native’s reputation, by forcing grave issues out into the light of day, for all to see and judge.

Bradley’s above words surprised me when I first read em many years ago. I always thought Jup-Pl would manifest very benefic things, but Bradley is saying the opposite---saying “it is a marker of crises.” Biden’s Nov 7 SLR seems to be foretelling trouble for him with the midterms. And I think your above quoted words will probably nail the outcome of this midterm election.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:25 am

I take Jupiter-Pluto as extreme shifts in Jupiter things - exalting people to great stature or dragging down the high and mighty. I tried never to presume that it would be positive or negative (unless the rest of the chart leaned that way).

Trump's term taught be several things. He'd get into what looked like devastating trouble and then come out unscathed. This was always under his long-term Pluto transit to Jupiter that dominated most of his time in office. Yes, it coincided with him being twice impeached (no small negative feat!) but he still came out unscathed. This got me looking further and it seems that this is nearly always a positive aspect - but not always.

On comparison to the 2000 solar ingress, remember that transiting Jupiter aspecting transiting Pluto (an equal aspect) is different from transiting Jupiter to natal Pluto and transiting Pluto to natal Jupiter. These are three different situations, each of which has its most common distinctive flavor.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Mon Nov 07, 2022 12:11 pm

I hear you Jim. But that transiting angular Jup-Pluto in the 2000 Libsolar for the Prez election certainly brought out the 'hanging chads' crises, just as Bradley discussed about Jup-Pl being a "marker for crises". I like your take: When a high official rises with Jupiter --Pluto can mess things-up. Joe still has his 2022 Jupiter SSR if he is not traveling. Thanks for your always interesting observations.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Mon Nov 07, 2022 1:43 pm

A further negative for Biden regarding the midterms At the time the polls close on the West Coast, his SQ Moon will be 0°14' Gemini with transiting Mars at 29°53' Taurus (retrograding across the Moon's position all day).

Also, though Biden's SLR is largely silent for the election, Vice President Harris' SLR is not. I take it as showing deep disappointment:

21°57' Ari - t Uranus
22°36' Lib - r Neptune
22°48' Cap - SLR MC
23°28' Lib - t Venus
23°43' Cap - t Saturn

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Tue Nov 08, 2022 5:47 am

Jim wrote:

A further negative for Biden regarding the midterms At the time the polls close on the West Coast, his SQ Moon will be 0°14' Gemini with transiting Mars at 29°53' Taurus (retrograding across the Moon's position all day).

Yes, I first noted this earlier in this thread with my post:

On mid-term election night Joe Biden has his SQ Moon partile conjunct SSR IC receiving a partile conjunction from transiting Mars, all in rotational square to his SSR Neptune partile conjunct his SSR ASC, maybe Paran formation. Could be this configuration manifests as greater disappointments with election results than expected, but it is normal for a sitting President to lose political ground with mid-term elections.

Combine this with your excellent observation with VP Harris, it appears the mid-terms are going to be a very negative outcome for the Prez & VP.

Venus_Daily · Post by **Venus_Daily** » Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:13 pm

I don't think so. Dr Oz and Mayra Flores just lost. They were two predictors of the race. I think the worst that will happen again is another toss-up with VP Harris acting as an intermediary.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Wed Nov 09, 2022 4:49 am

Considering the vote counts at this moment, the DEMS appear to be doing much better than expected.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Sat Nov 12, 2022 7:28 pm

With Democratic wins for Senator in Arizona and Nevada, the Dems have retained control of the Senate. If they win Georgia, they will have an extra vote on their side.

The House is still in motion.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Sun Nov 19, 2023 10:59 am

Pres. Biden's SSR occurs Tuesday, November 21, at 1:56 AM EST. Please help me track where he sleeps Monday night (or, specifically, where he is at 1:56 AM EST Tuesday).

His public schedule have him all over the place today: A press pool call at noon in his Wilmington residence, leave for Norfolk, VA at 2 PM with a holiday dinner with service members, back to the White House for a pool call at 6:30 PM, leave for Norfolk again at 7 PM, and return to the White House at 8:10 PM tonight. We was at Wilmington all day yesterday, though late Frida night he was in San Francisco.

If I had to guess: He celebrated his birthday quietly over the weekend and will be back in Washington for a full work day tomorrow and will have his SSR there. - There isn't a lot of difference between the charts for his two homes.

SSR for Washington:

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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
                           Transiting Planets                           
Ne 29Aq52'55"  1S16 - 0'31" 355°52'  3S10 268°20' - 2°58' 177° 2'  99% Wa
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                            Radical Planets                             
Ne  7Vi34'31"  1N19 + 1'25" 182°57'  0N 9  86°13' - 4°26'   4°26'  95% A 
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    Class 1 Aspects     
tMo sq rSa  1°17' 95% M

SSR for Wilmington:

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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
                           Transiting Planets                           
Ne 29Aq52'55"  1S16 - 0'31" 355°52'  3S10 269°20' - 4° 8' 175°52'  95% D 
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                            Radical Planets                             
Ne  7Vi34'31"  1N19 + 1'25" 182°57'  0N 9  87° 7' - 3°14'   3°14'  97% A 
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    Class 1 Aspects     
tMo sq rSa  0°55' 98% M

Mike V · Post by **Mike V** » Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:33 pm

Neptune-Neptune across the horizon. Seems... very dramatic.

Also, I didn't see this mentioned elsewhere, but it looks like any chart would have Mars 0 Sun 55' and Jupiter 90 Pluto 12' locked into them as well. Mars-Sun is not surprising for a job as arduous as his, but Jupiter to natal Pluto is probably the transit I feel like I understand the least. In principle, "gain through separation" makes sense, but I have witnessed a decent number of these transits and I never felt like I could identify what actually happened, if anything.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Thu Nov 23, 2023 5:13 pm

I think we're going with the White House. - He was there Monday afternoon to pardon the turkeys, then had a 9 AM pool call from the WH the next morning. I think he stayed there overnight.

So... SSR at the White House.

Venus_Daily · Post by **Venus_Daily** » Thu Nov 23, 2023 8:34 pm

We definitely need to keep our eye on the SSR node, it's 30 minutes away from conjunction to S. Node. Could this be betrayal or extreme micromanaging?

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Fri Nov 24, 2023 7:06 am

Venus_Daily wrote: Thu Nov 23, 2023 8:34 pm We definitely need to keep our eye on the SSR node, it's 30 minutes away from conjunction to S. Node. Could this be betrayal or extreme micromanaging?

Venus, I'm not sure what you're saying. I wonder if by "SSR node" you meant to write "SSR Saturn," since transiting Saturn is 31' from Biden's natal south node.

Simply as a transit, if that had any effect at all we would usually interpret it as some adverse effect on his associations or connections. Biden's political strength has always been his connections with people - probably reflected by his well-aspected rising Sun-Venus conjunction so, if his network of connections suddenly collapsed or was damaged, this could be quite damaging.

However, from the Solar Return's perspective, this aspect is in the immediate background. It's about as weakly placed as it can be. He already has quite a few troubles from this chart, but I wouldn't think it would be a strong factor.

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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
                           Transiting Planets                           
Sa  5Aq41'34"  1S42 + 1'46" 333°26' 12S48 274°43' -26°22' 153°33'   3%  b
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                            Radical Planets                             
No  6Le12'33"  0N 0 -11'10" 153°19' 11N 1  96°22' +25°23' 334°29'   5%  b

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Fri Nov 24, 2023 7:28 am

Mike wrote: Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:33 pm Neptune-Neptune across the horizon. Seems... very dramatic.

I think weakening is the word. There is even chance of betrayal. I think under double Neptune and the close Moon-Saturn square, besides the simple conclusion of "an adverse year," the main personal results are that his age will finally catch up with him, - he may actually start to show the signs of increased aging that his foes have incredulously attributed to him. His only real advantage is that the mundane charts show an enormously prospering nation next year. (But somehow he hasn't gotten any credit a booming economy so far, so that's not likely to overcome his personal charts.)

Also, I didn't see this mentioned elsewhere, but it looks like any chart would have Mars 0 Sun 55' and Jupiter 90 Pluto 12' locked into them as well. Mars-Sun is not surprising for a job as arduous as his, but Jupiter to natal Pluto is probably the transit I feel like I understand the least. In principle, "gain through separation" makes sense, but I have witnessed a decent number of these transits and I never felt like I could identify what actually happened, if anything.

From the perspective of the solar return, these are background - the Mars transit to his Sun being exceedingly background, at 0% angularity strength within a degree or two of a cadent cusp. To a certain extent, all partile aspects have a voice, but these are pretty weak. Here are the positions:

Pl Longitude Lat Speed RA Decl Azi Alt PVL Ang G
Transiting Planets
Ma 2Sc41'59" 0S 9 +42'32" 235°28' 19S48 64°10' -56°43' 59°25' 0% b
Ju 13Ar 5' 4" 1S22 - 7' 7" 36°14' 12N56 254°21' +38°14' 219°18' 26%
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Radical Planets
Su 3Sc37'11" 0S 0 + 1° 1' 236°28' 19S52 63° 6' -57°27' 60°21' 0% b
Pl 13Cn17'11" 5N 0 - 0'19" 132°11' 22N59 99° 6' +48°43' 310°56' 23% b

Were we to interpret them, Mars' transit to natal Sun, as you say, is arduous. On a day-to-day basis, when I have this transit it is nearly always a "burn the candle at both ends" day that leaves me wasted. Biden has a LOT of energy - his Scorpio-Aries luminaries have always shown - and so he's certainly inclined to do this. Under two Neptunes and a Saturn for the year, it's likely to take a toll. Mars to Sun also means attacks (when has he ever not been attacked), though Sun tends to come out ahead in those scraps. The attacks are aimed at his ego, at him personally, at his authority.

But it has no power in the chart. It would have to be brought to an angle of some other chart, such as an Anlunar or (for a brief event) a quotidian. Or, any transits to his Sun this year will hit the Mars-to-Sun as well.

Jupiter to Pluto is interesting. It's quite a bit different from Pluto to Jupiter or from transiting Jupiter to transiting Pluto. I got one solid key from Fagan back in the '70s and despite decades of looking since then, the ONE thing I can rely on from it is what Fagan originally said: It boils down to "advantage coming from a separation" or "gain from separation or loss." Sometimes that means something like an inheritance. It quite often means somebody is released from something that has been absorbing entangling their energies (and that they probably would have told you they don't want liberated from) - the separation restores their physical and psychological energies to them. This, of course, is consistent with losing or perhaps with deciding not to run. It could refer to something else entirely.

However, again, it isn't strongly placed. It's not driving the chart. At most, it would appear as an added detail to the basic chart message: two Neptunes and a Saturn.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Fri Nov 24, 2023 7:41 am

BTW, I think Biden's charts look overall quite poor for November 2024, but there is one thing I had missed and nobody else has mentioned:

With election day November 5, 2024, and early voting occurring from a least mid-October (I've lost track of what the dates will be for next year), from September 10 through November 6 transiting Jupiter squares his natal Midheaven. That's a pretty important, positive transit.

Here are Biden's outer planet major transits for 2024 (exact days only). The first thing I notice is that Jupiter transits overwhelmingly dominate the list (including Jupiter transits to his Sun and angles). The Saturn transits are all front-loaded at the start of the year.

Jan 7 - Saturn sq r Uranus
Jan 12 - Saturn sq r Ascendant
Feb 10 - Jupiter sq r Pluto
Mar 10 - Saturn sq r Saturn
Mar 13 - Jupiter op r Mars
Apr 24 - Jupiter op r Mercury
May 5 - Uranus op r Mercury
May 20 - Jupiter op r Sun
May 24 - Jupiter op r Venus
Jun 11 - Jupiter co r Uranus
Jun 13 - Jupiter op r Ascendant
Jul 14 - Jupiter co r Saturn
Sep 25 - Jupiter sq r Midheaven
Oct 21 - Jupiter sq r Midheaven

On the other hand, while he has no truly important secondary progressions in 2024, his worst solar arc is at the very end, soon before the election. Here are his exact solar arc directions for 2024. (Remember, though, that Biden natally has a Jupiter-Saturn octile, so any directions by one of them also partakes of the other.)

Mar 11 - d Jupiter oc r Uranus
May 15 - d Saturn sq r Uranus
Jul 12 - d Venus sq r Mercury
Oct 13 - d Saturn sq r Ascendant

For election day itself, here are his active solar arcs sorted by orb. They are quite mixed, though the closest one is adverse:

0°04' d Saturn sq r Asc
0°19' d Venus sq r Mercury
0°27' d Pluto op r Moon
0°29' d Saturn sq r Uranus
0°40' d Sun sq r Mercury
0°40' d Moon oc r Saturn
0°40' d Jupiter oc r Uranus
0°51' d Moon co r Jupiter

Mike V · Post by **Mike V** » Fri Nov 24, 2023 9:13 pm

Jim Eshelman wrote: Fri Nov 24, 2023 7:41 am Here are Biden's outer planet major transits for 2024 (exact days only). The first thing I notice is that Jupiter transits overwhelmingly dominate the list (including Jupiter transits to his Sun and angles). The Saturn transits are all front-loaded at the start of the year.

For my friends' transits to natals (and other piles of prognostic factors), I've always viewed and interpreted such patterns as "things finally lighten at that point." I guess I'll see how well that sort of thing holds up on the big stage.

Jim Eshelman wrote: Fri Nov 24, 2023 7:41 am For election day itself, here are his active solar arcs sorted by orb[...]

As progressions, we would interpret them similarly to regular secondary progressions, right? So directed Venus square natal Mercury would feel like transiting Mercury squaring natal Venus?

For what it's worth, I got a strong intuitive sense looking at these directions of "he won, but there's so much to do, and the current conditions are so exhausting, that it's still an enormous burden and not like a weight has been lifted."

Arena · Post by **Arena** » Sat Dec 16, 2023 6:25 am

My simple physical observation is that JB is deteriorating at a fast speed. He's most likely coming close to the end of his life. I think it's possible that he won't be one of the real runners when it comes to elections next year in the US.

His life is very Saturnian these days:
Solar arcs show:
D. IC on r. Saturn.
D. Saturn on Nnode.

Transits:
T. Saturn sq r. ASC & conjunct Snode (often connected with endings of some sort).
June 2024 t. Sat on IC.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Sat Dec 16, 2023 11:14 am

From the time Biden took office, there were numerous indications he would die in office. Just looking at basic patterns of his nativity:

Four earlier U.S. presidents had Sun in Scorpio. Two died in office.
Five earlier U.S. presidents had Moon in Aries. Three died in office and a fourth one was shot but lived.
Six earlier U.S. presidents had Mars in Libra. Five of them died in office.

He's been under massive Neptune from when he first began to run, but that's not unusual for the presidency. His first year in office, there were repeated times when charts all seemed to be lining up to put his life at risk and (as far as we know) nothing happened (the indications all manifest as other kinds of conflict). It was as frequent (and wrong) to predict Biden's death as it had been to predict Trump's removal from office.

Still., given his age and chart factors, I think you're right that there remains a significant risk that he will die while still in office. He has terrible charts for this year and that is surely one of the outcomes logically high on the list.

His new SSR is two foreground Neptunes plus Moon square natal Saturn. His next one (presuming he is in Washington or at least nearby e.g. Delaware) has transiting Saturn strongest (Jupiter behind it) and natal Saturn-Neptune plus Moon aspecting Mars and Pluto (and such things as Saturn and Neptune square natal Saturn foreground). That one is so severe that I think it more likely he is alive for it - experiencing the humiliating aftermath of losing badly (and perhaps the grief ending his life).

A third possibility - less likely, I think, but quite reasonable if you are right that he is fading - is that he reaches a point over the next year when he steps down ahead of the nomination. If that happens, the most likely candidate is Vice President Harris. Her SSR immediately before the election next year is mixed-to-positive if she's has her birthday in Washington, including transiting Uranus and natal Jupiter both closely setting (though, this country being what it is, it seems unlikely she would actually be elected, especially against a strong opponent). - But, of course, that soon before an election, she could be anywhere in the country at all for her birthday (and the SSR for her California home is not so good). Her Demi-SLR October 31 is quite bad for Washington but, of course, she may not be there.

You may have raised the most important question: Are we sure we know who the nominee will be? The Democratic National Convention will be August 19-22, 2024 in Chicago.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Sat Dec 16, 2023 11:57 am

Looking at the evening of August 22, 2024, in Chicago, I have no idea where she might be over the course of the prior month when she surely will be campaigning. Knowing that she will be in Chicago that night, though, her July 27 looks severe, with Saturn exactly on WP-a 4' from opposite her Venus. There is enormous sadness in her for the time she is in Chicago during those four weeks (but Jupiter 15' from square her Uranus for the closest foreground aspect). Her August 10 Demi-SLR relocated to Chicago is entirely different, though with a triumphant warrior's spirit:

29°46' Ari - r Jupiter
3°08' Sco - SLR Asc
4°13' Sco - r Saturn

11°56' Leo - t Venu
18°22' Leo - SLR MC
19°01' Tau - r Uranus
19°05' Tau - t Mars
20°52' Sco - SLR EP-a
20°59' Tau - t Jupiter
21°13' Leo - r Pluto
22°58' Aqu - t Saturn
23°39' Leo - r Venus

She also has a new SLR set up immediately after, late afternoon of the next day. Will she still be in Chicago when it sets up? We don't know, but lunars seem always to be in play 24 hours ahead so it will be felt the last night of the convention. The chart is quite remarkable: Her exact natal Moon-Sun opposition has her Sun 1°28' past MC, her Moon 0°43' before IC, and Pluto square both of them and the meridian:

3°24' Ari - r Moon
3°34' Lib - r Sun
4°31' Lib - SLR MC
5°05' Cap - t Pluto

This seems much more epic than one would expect from someone being automatically nominated as a "returning" VP and running mate on a second term. A chart for that would be more of an administrative detail. This seems much more of a big deal. (For Washington this is an entirely inconsequential chart with not a single planet foreground. I think the main place it will be felt is Chicago.)

We don't have a clue where she might be when the pre-convention SLR and Demi-SLR set up. The SLR for Washington has only transiting Neptune angular (quite closely). The Demi for Washington is a mix of seven foreground planets (benefics and malefics evenly balanced) - but she may not be there.

Harris and Biden have Moons a few degrees apart, so Biden's SLR occurs within a few hours of hers. His July 27 SLR for Washington is mostly positive (Jupiter closely setting) but has marks of withdrawal (Neptune to natal Saturn-Neptune foreground). Relocated to Chicago, it is severe and harsh. - His August 11 Demi for Washington has natal Jupiter exactly angular and otherwise has his Moon most pronounced. Relocated to Chicago, it is mostly a double Neptune chart matching his SSR, more consistent with resigning than launching a new campaign. These do not look to me like the charts of someone reclaiming his party's nomination (though I haven't run a series of charts of incumbent presidents doing that).

Going just from these lunars, and understanding the limits of not knowing where each of them will be when they set up, Harris' charts look like an occasion of victory and a triumphant warrior's spirit, while Biden's look like someone being given a sincere toast and begrudgingly retiring.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Sat Dec 16, 2023 12:25 pm

And, as long as I'm indulging this (thus far) fantasy line of inquiry, it invites a question of who might be a Kamala Harris running mate. If the strategy is to fire up the party's base (rather than play it safe) and show a strong hand-off to a new generation of youth, energy, and ideas, we have the most visible, most vocal, and most eloquent member of President Biden's cabinet, Sec. Pete Buttigieg.

For the last night of the convention, Buttigieg has transiting Pluto 0°29' from conjunct his Sun and transiting Uranus 0°01' from opposite his Moon! (He has solar arc Mars 11' from conjunct his Moon, which can mean many opposite things.)

I don't know where he'll spend his birthday next January. If in Washington, he has a pretty positive SSR (e.g., Jupiter opposite his Jupiter foreground) except that there is a Moon-Saturn square. The foreground planets are Moon, Mercury, Jupiter x2, Uranus. But he may not be there.

His August 13 SLR relocated to Chicago has transiting Uranus and Pluto closely angular and aspecting Moon, with natal Venus, Jupiter, two luminaries, and Pluto closely angular - and a it of Uranus!

It is not astrologically unreasonable that the Democratic ticket could be Harris-Buttigieg.

If that, in fact, is the ticket, what does the outcome seem to be? Pete's birthday is January 20, the same as inauguration day. For 2025, his SSR if he's in Washington has transiting Pluto (1°), Mars (5°), and Uranus (9°) foreground with natal Jupiter (0°36'), Moon (0°17'), and Sun, Mercury, Venus wider. Pluto squares both of his luminaries in the foreground, squaring natal Moon mundanely (0°51') and natal Sun ecliptically (1°57').

It's not astrologically unreasonable at all.

If he's in Washington for the election, we have a November 2 SLR with the following breakdown (notice the three distinct Moon-Uranus aspects):

t Jupiter on Asc -4°49'
t Venus on Dsc -1°52'
----------------------------
t Moon on WP-a +0°08' [r Moon 1°55']
t Uranus on EO-a +0°31'
r Mercury on MC +6°08'
t Saturn on Z +2°08'
r Uranus on Dsc +7°24'

t Moon-Jupiter op. 0°23' [in RA]
t Venus-Jupiter op 0°50'
r Moon-Uranus co 0°53' M
r Mercury-Uranus 1°16' M
t Uranus op r Moon 1°25'
r Moon-Mercury sq 2°08' M

Mike V · Post by **Mike V** » Sat Dec 16, 2023 7:23 pm

I would be into Harris-Buttigieg even without considering defeating Trump for its own sake. I don't know if the country is un-racist, un-sexist, and un-homophobic enough to make that happen, but I would be into it.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Wed Jan 03, 2024 6:56 pm

Biden's under a lot of doubled-up Neptune this year - his SSR is the best example (but not only). I just found another.

There is a technique Alexander Marr recommended. I've never been able to confirm it's valid, but it's worth a look. It involves lunar returns based on progressed Moon conjoining, opposing, or squaring natal Moon - what Marr called the Seven-Year Lunar Return. On September 13, 2024 Biden has progressed Moon conjoin natal Moon. This is equivalent to the SLR he experienced February 10, 1943.

The chart (case for Washington - but all reasonable locations are about the same) has one aspect of note, t Neptune conjunct r Neptune within 9', just under 3° from MC. It also has natal Saturn widely foreground.

FWIW.

PS - I'm quite interested, though, to see what happens when his progressed Moon leaves Pisces and enters Aries in the spring.