Speulative Rectifaction of Terry's Birthchart.

mikestar13 · Post by **mikestar13** » Tue Oct 19, 2021 2:54 pm

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 18Pi55-----------+                                 +-----------18Vi55
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 |Er 15Pi24 17°17'|         Campanus Houses         |                |
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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
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Mo 09Sg14'17" 03N49 +13°46' 273°39' 19S35 185°43' +36°06' 262°13'  84% F
Su 25Li07'12" 00N00 + 1°00' 226°52' 17S34 232°09' +18°41' 203°11'  53%  
Me 07Li02'29" 02N10 + 1°19' 209°52' 09S52 249°31' +11°34' 192°19'  93% F
Ve 06Li42'20" 01N27 + 1°15' 209°18' 10S26 249°26' +10°47' 191°29'  90% F
Ma 04Sc23'55" 00S18 + 0°43' 236°18' 20S09 223°06' +22°28' 211°12'  39%  
Ju 06Cp50'33" 00S39 + 0°09' 303°25' 20S34 152°50' +30°25' 307°52'  28%  
Sa 00Cp40'21" 00S17 + 0°04' 296°52' 21S26 159°52' +31°47' 299°03'  43%  
Ur 06Le04'15" 00N44 + 0°01' 152°37' 12N04 302°00' -20°59' 155°40'   9% B
Ne 17Li09'08" 01N43 + 0°02' 219°28' 13S36 240°20' +16°21' 198°40'  61%  
Pl 15Le40'52" 12N52 + 0°01' 166°33' 19N44 298°41' - 5°53' 173°18'  88% F
Er 15Pi24'23" 22S41 - 0°00'  17°57' 17S01  99°19' -17°04'  17°17'  63%  
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    Class 1 Aspects          Class 2 Aspects         Class 3 Aspects     
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Mo oc Su 00°53'  87%     Mo tr Ur 03°10'  81%     Mo sq Er 06°10'  30%  
Mo sx Me 02°12'  91%     Su sx Sa 05°33'  43%     Su co Ma 09°17'  13%  
Mo sx Ve 02°32'  88%     Ju co Sa 06°10'  60%     Su co Ne 07°58'  34%  
Mo sq Pl 01°05'  98% M                            Me sq Sa 06°22'  26%  
Me co Ve 00°20' 100%                              Ve sq Sa 06°02'  33%  
Me sq Ju 00°12' 100%                              Ur co Pl 09°37'   7%  
Me sx Ur 00°58'  98%                                                    
Ve sq Ju 00°08' 100%                                                    
Ve sx Ur 00°38'  99%                                                    
Ma sx Ju 02°27'  88%                                                    
Ma sq Sa 02°09'  91% M                                                  
Ma sq Ur 01°40'  95%                                                    
Sa oc Pl 00°01' 100%                                                    
Ne sx Pl 01°28'  96%                                                    
Ne op Er 01°23'  96% M                                                  
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I'm hoping to get her birth certificate and confirm, refine, or refute the speculative time. Her Moon-Pluto-Eris complex fits her and would do so even more if Eris were also foreground. She's more familiar with Lady Chaos than I, and I'm no stranger. I'm hearing echoes of the Keith Whitley cover of I'm No Stranger to the Rain: "... I've been sacrificed by brothers, crucified by lovers...". I've been there and done that. Terry's been there are and done that tenfold. But not by me, I swear upon my life, my honor, and my immortal soul, not by me.

mikestar13 · Post by **mikestar13** » Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:40 pm

By the way her current SSR both in San Bernardino where it set up and relocated to Upland have no transiting planets foreground but have prominent natal Mars-Uranus. (Assuming the rectification is correct or nearly so.)

mikestar13 · Post by **mikestar13** » Thu Nov 17, 2022 2:09 pm

Got an authentic time from Terry: 2:10 pm PST, other data correct. Personally timed by father in delivery room. She mentioned it off hand a 2:10 on her birthday this year, saying "I'm 61 exactly at this minute." Will be casting it right away, along with her SSR.

mikestar13 · Post by **mikestar13** » Thu Nov 17, 2022 2:20 pm

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 |Sa  0Cp40 16°15'|                |                |                |
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 |Ju  6Cp50 23°38'|                |                |Su 25Li 5 06°19'|
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 13Cp58-----------+----------------+----------------+-----------18Li 1
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 |                |              Natal              |                |
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 |                |    11 Nov 1961 14:10:00 PST     |                |
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 |                |     San Bernardino, CA USA      |                |
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 |                |      34N 6'30" 117W17'23"       |                |
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 29Aq39-----------+                                 +-----------29Le39
 |   Ep  1Pi27    |         RAMC 266° 1' 3"         |                |
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 |                |         Sidereal Zodiac         |Ur  6Le 4 17°10'|
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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
Mo  8Sg45'37"  3N50 +13°45' 273° 8' 19S34 171°43' +35°54' 281°16'  73%   
Su 25Li 5' 6"  0N 0 + 1° 0' 226°50' 17S33 222°13' +26°17' 216°19'  31%   
Me  6Li59'44"  2N11 + 1°19' 209°50'  9S51 241°15' +20°58' 203°37'  52%   
Ve  6Li39'44"  1N27 + 1°15' 209°15' 10S25 241°13' +20°11' 202°45'  54%   
Ma  4Sc22'26"  0S18 +42'54" 236°16' 20S 8 212° 7' +28°48' 225°58'  13%  b
Ju  6Cp50'16"  0S39 + 8'34" 303°25' 20S34 141°14' +24°46' 323°38'   3%  b
Sa  0Cp40'12"  0S17 + 4'12" 296°52' 21S26 147°33' +27°11' 316°15'  12%  b
Ur  6Le 4'13"  0N44 + 1'20" 152°37' 12N 4 293°32' -11°48' 167°10'  61%   
Ne 17Li 9' 4"  1N43 + 2'14" 219°28' 13S36 231° 5' +24°56' 210°51'  40%   
Pl 15Le40'50" 12N52 + 0'57" 166°33' 19N44 291°33' + 3°30' 183°46'  96% D 
Er 15Pi24'24" 22S41 - 0'28"  17°57' 17S 1  92°42' -27°23'  27°24'  46%   
Se  3Ar32'42" 10S51 - 0'29"  29°38'  0N31  69° 6' -26°57'  28°34'  44%   
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    Class 1 Aspects         Class 2 Aspects         Class 3 Aspects     
Mo sx Me  1°46' 94%      Mo oc Su  1°19' 70%       Mo tr Pl  6°55' 14%  
Mo sx Ve  2° 6' 91%      Mo tr Se  5°13' 49%       Mo sq Er  6°39' 20%  
Mo tr Ur  2°41' 86%      Su sx Sa  5°35' 42%       Su co Ma  9°17' 13%  
Me co Ve  0°20'100%      Me op Se  3°27' 87%       Su co Ne  7°56' 35%  
Me sq Ju  0° 9'100%      Ve sq Sa  6° 0' 34%       Me sq Sa  6°20' 27%  
Me sx Ur  0°56' 98%      Ve op Se  3° 7' 89%       Ur co Pl  9°37'  7%  
Ve sq Ju  0°11'100%      Ju co Sa  6°10' 60%                            
Ve sx Ur  0°36' 99%      Ju sq Se  3°18' 79%                            
Ma sx Ju  2°28' 88%                                                     
Ma sq Sa  0°17'100% M                                                   
Ma sq Ur  1°42' 94%                                                     
Sa oc Pl  0° 1'100%                                                     
Sa sq Se  2°53' 84%                                                     
Ur tr Se  2°32' 88%                                                     
Ne sx Pl  1°28' 96%                                                     
Ne op Se  2°18' 90% M                                                   
Er co Se  1° 9' 97% M                                                   
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                              Cosmic State                              
Mo Sg    | sx Me  1°46'    sx Ve  2° 6'    tr Ur  2°41'    oc Su  1°19'    
         | tr Se  5°13'    sq Er  6°39'    tr Pl  6°55'    
         |    Er/Mc  1'i      Sa/Pl 35'i      Pl/Se 51'd   
Su Li-   | oc Mo  1°19'    sx Sa  5°35'    co Ne  7°56'    co Ma  9°17'    
         |    Pl/Se 28'i      Ma/Ne 41'd   
Me Li    | Mo Sg-
         | sq Ju  0° 9'    co Ve  0°20'    sx Ur  0°56'    sx Mo  1°46'    
         | op Se  3°27'    sq Sa  6°20'    
         |    Ve/Ju 15'i      Mo/Ur 25'd      Mo/Ma 26'i      Pl/As 40'i   
Ve Li+   | Su Li+
         | sq Ju  0°11'    co Me  0°20'    sx Ur  0°36'    sx Mo  2° 6'    
         | op Se  3° 7'    sq Sa  6° 0'    
         |    Mo/Ma  6'i      Me/Ju 15'i      Mo/Ur 45'd   
Ma Sc+ B | sq Sa  0°17'M   sq Ur  1°42'    sx Ju  2°28'    co Su  9°17'    
         |    Ve/Mc  2'd      Ju/Mc  7'i      Me/Mc 12'd      Mo/Sa 20'i   
Ju Cp- B | Mo Sg+
         | sq Me  0° 9'    sq Ve  0°11'    sx Ma  2°28'    sq Se  3°18'    
         | co Sa  6°10'    
         |    Me/Ve  1'd      Mo/Ma 16'i      Mo/Ur 35'd      Pl/As 50'i   
Sa Cp+ B | Su Li+
         | oc Pl  0° 1'    sq Ma  0°17'M   sq Se  2°53'    co Ju  6°10'    
         | sx Su  5°35'    sq Ve  6° 0'    sq Me  6°20'    
         |    Ne/Er 37'd   
Ur Le-   | sx Ve  0°36'    sx Me  0°56'    sq Ma  1°42'    tr Se  2°32'    
         | tr Mo  2°41'    co Pl  9°37'    
         |    Mo/Se  5'd      Su/Pl 41'i   
Ne Li    | sx Pl  1°28'    op Se  2°18'M   co Su  7°56'    
         |    Ma/Sa 22'i   
Pl Le  F | Su Li-
         | oc Sa  0° 1'    sx Ne  1°28'    tr Mo  6°55'    co Ur  9°37'    
         |    Ne/Er 36'i   
Er Pi    | co Se  1° 9'M   sq Mo  6°39'    
         |    Su/Ur 10'd      Sa/As 15'i      Su/Ma 41'i      Sa/Mc 60'd   
Se Ar    | co Er  1° 9'M   op Ne  2°18'M   op Ve  3° 7'    tr Ur  2°32'    
         | op Me  3°27'    sq Sa  2°53'    sq Ju  3°18'    tr Mo  5°13'    
         |    Ve/Sa  7'i      Ju/Sa 13'd      Me/Sa 17'i      Ma/Mc 17'i   
         |    Ur/Mc 34'd      Ur/As 41'i   
As Aq    |    Su/Se 21'i      Pl/Er 53'd   
Mc Sg    |    Ma/Sa 23'd   
Angle    |    Su/Ju  1'M   
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She's definitely a Pluto's child, and take a look at the cosmic state of Sedna.

mikestar13 · Post by **mikestar13** » Thu Nov 17, 2022 2:26 pm

Here's her current SSR:

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 |                |        Fernandez, Terry         |                |
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 |                |     12 Nov 2021  7:25:05 UT     |                |
 |                |         Upland, CA USA          |                |
 |                |      34N 5'51" 117W38'54"       |                |
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 |                |         RAMC 45°16'14"          |                |
 |   tEp 17Cn46   |          OE 23°26'15"           |                |
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 |                |         Sidereal Zodiac         |tMo  4Aq42 05°49|
 |                |         Campanus Houses         |                |
 |                |                                 |tJu 28Cp20 00°26|
 27Cn35-----------+                                 +-----------27Cp35
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 |                |        Fernandez, Terry         |                |
 |                |              Natal              |                |
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 |rUr  6Le 4 08°27|     San Bernardino, CA USA      |                |
 |                |      34N 6'30" 117W17'23"       |                |
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 |rPl 15Le41 15°57|         RAMC 266° 1' 3"         |tSa 12Cp42 15°06|
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 |                |         SVP  5Pi47'45"          |                |
 |                |         Sidereal Zodiac         |rJu  6Cp50 09°33|
 |                |         Campanus Houses         |                |
 |                |  A personally timed by father   |rSa  0Cp40 03°53|
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 26Le19-----------+----------------+----------------+-----------26Sg24
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 |                |rVe  6Li40 13°50|                |   tVx 10Sg11   |
 |                |rMe  7Li 0 14°20|                |tVe 11Sg17 14°33|
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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
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Mo  4Aq41'49"  5S17 +13°14' 333°46' 16S30 245°57' + 5°19' 185°49'  91% D 
Su 25Li 5' 6"  0S 0 + 1° 0' 227°41' 17S46 351°52' -73°32'  92°24'  98% I 
Me 15Li11'51"  1N10 + 1°37' 218°12' 13S47  19°13' -68°42'  82°41'  86% I 
Ve 11Sg16'45"  3S49 +53'16" 277° 5' 27S 6 264°24' -45°19' 134°33'  16%  b
Ma 13Li32'19"  0N22 +40'43" 216°19' 14S 1  24° 9' -68°21'  80°47'  78% I 
Ju 28Cp19'33"  1S 5 + 4'53" 326° 4' 14S45 251°47' + 0°25' 180°26' 100% D 
Sa 12Cp41'52"  0S49 + 3' 9" 310°22' 19S 7 256°30' -14°30' 165° 6'  51%   
Ur 17Ar26'30"  0S25 - 2'27"  40°10' 15N11 194°55' +70°32' 264°48'  93% M 
Ne 25Aq27'54"  1S10 - 0'38" 351°44'  4S50 243°23' +26°19' 208°57'  43%   
Pl 29Sg35'54"  1S41 + 1' 3" 296°53' 22S51 259°43' -27°17' 152°20'   1%  b
Er 28Pi56'35" 11S29 - 0'32"  26°25'  1S23 210°25' +50°20' 247°14'  14%  b
Se  3Ta46'21" 12S 2 - 0'37"  59°14'  8N 8 150°28' +61° 2' 285°16'  67%   
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                            Radical Planets                             
Mo  8Sg45'37"  3N50 +13°45' 274° 2' 19S33 275°44' -44°35' 135°16'  14%  b
Su 25Li 5' 6"  0N 0 + 1° 0' 227°41' 17S46 351°52' -73°32'  92°24'  98% I 
Me  6Li59'44"  2N11 + 1°19' 210°37' 10S 8  32°40' -62°32'  74°20'  46%   
Ve  6Li39'44"  1N27 + 1°15' 210° 3' 10S42  34°19' -62°47'  73°50'  44%   
Ma  4Sc22'26"  0S18 +42'54" 237° 9' 20S19 319°38' -72°40' 101°26'  73%   
Ju  6Cp50'16"  0S39 + 8'34" 304°17' 20S23 258°26' -20° 4' 159°33'  23%  b
Sa  0Cp40'12"  0S17 + 4'12" 297°45' 21S17 260°51' -25°50' 153°53'   4%  b
Ur  6Le 4'13"  0N44 + 1'20" 153°25' 11N46  69°56' - 7°56'   8°27'  82% A 
Ne 17Li 9' 4"  1N43 + 2'14" 220°17' 13S51  13°46' -69°16'  84°51'  93% I 
Pl 15Le40'50" 12N52 + 0'57" 167°20' 19N25  55°10' -13°12'  15°57'  66%   
Er 15Pi24'24" 22S41 - 0'28"  18°41' 16S42 210°50' +33°15' 231°59'   4%  b
Se  3Ar32'42" 10S51 - 0'29"  30°24'  0N49 205°49' +53°55' 252°23'  37%   
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    Class 1 Aspects      Other Partile Aspects                          
tMo sq tSe  0°55' 98%   tMa sq tSa  0°50' 99%                           
tMe co tMa  1°40' 95%   tPl sq tEr  0°39' 99%                           
tMe op tUr  2° 7' 91% M  ----------------------                         
----------------------  tVe co rMo  0°43' 99% M                         
tMo sq rMa  0°19'100%   tSa sq rMe  0°46' 99% M                         
tMo op rUr  1°22' 96%   tSe op rMa  0°36' 99%                           
tMe co rNe  1°57' 93%   tSe sq rPl  0°40' 99% M                         
tJu sq rSu  1°58' 93% M                                                 
tUr op rNe  0° 3'100% M                                                 
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                              Cosmic State                              
                           Transiting Planets                           
Mo Aq   | sq rMa  0°19'    sq tSe  0°55'    op rUr  1°22'    
Su Li-  |
Me Li   | co tMa  1°40'    co rNe  1°57'    op tUr  2° 7'M   
Ve Sg   | co rMo  0°43'M   
Ma Li   | sq tSa  0°50'    co tMe  1°40'    
Ju Cp-  | sq rSu  1°58'M   
Sa Cp+  | sq rMe  0°46'M   sq tMa  0°50'    
Ur Ar   | op rNe  0° 3'M   op tMe  2° 7'M   
Ne Aq   |
Pl Sg   | sq tEr  0°39'    
Er Pi   | sq tPl  0°39'    
Se Ta   | op rMa  0°36'    sq rPl  0°40'M   sq tMo  0°55'    
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                            Radical Planets                             
Mo Sg   | co tVe  0°43'M   
Su Li-  | sq tJu  1°58'M   
Me Li   | sq tSa  0°46'M   
Ve Li+  |
Ma Sc+  | sq tMo  0°19'    op tSe  0°36'    
Ju Cp-  |
Sa Cp+  |
Ur Le-  | op tMo  1°22'    
Ne Li   | op tUr  0° 3'M   co tMe  1°57'    
Pl Le   | sq tSe  0°40'M   
Er Pi   |
Se Ar   |
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Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Thu Nov 17, 2022 2:31 pm

I guess I can live with being 53 minutes of out of 24 hours (starting with transits to a progressed Moon).

Good going!

What are you seeing most about Sedna?

Your Jupiter on her Dsc is nice.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Thu Nov 17, 2022 2:44 pm

Oh, and people do tend to get married with Jupiter exactly angular in the return charts!

- I think that's no less likely to be so when the religious aspect of the ceremony is of great importance to them.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Thu Nov 17, 2022 2:53 pm

Her personal needs hierarchy, each being expressed as a % of its maximum strength:

97 - Authenticity & Isolation needs
90 - Affection, Ambition, & Material-Survival needs
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77 - Adaptive-Response needs
70 - Reality-forging & Absorption needs
57 - Freedom & Renewal needs
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55 - Information needs
34 - Individuation needs
17 - Power needs

mikestar13 · Post by **mikestar13** » Thu Nov 17, 2022 2:58 pm

Well six Sedna aspects catch the eye, Saturn more so than its orb would suggest, due to Sedna connection to three Saturn midpoints, including the indirect but exceedingly close Ve/Sa. I see a tale of love and loss and not always voluntary or conscious sacrifice. He life story in a nutshell. I pray I outlive her if only for a day--if fate decrees she experience my death, it will be the third for her, and I fear it will break her.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Thu Nov 17, 2022 3:00 pm

A final thought (for now):

While Moon in Sagittarius might be enough to describe some of her salient traits, and while I'm not big on Ascendant being a character descriptor, a birth time only 56 seconds later (let's call it 2:11) gives Pisces rising instead of Aquarius.

Thoughts? We're look her for her outermost expression, superficial behavior patterns that immediately interface between her and the outside world, almost like the clothes she happens to be wearing at the moment more than anything she explicitly IS.

mikestar13 · Post by **mikestar13** » Thu Nov 17, 2022 3:18 pm

The personal needs hierarchy seems spot on, with the qualification that her affection, ambition, and material-security focus primarily on the first and the last. The one minutes correction seems rather possible, though her father timed her birth, he was not an astrologer and probably wasn't careful that his watch was always accurate to the minute. As for her style, she generally likes bright colors, particularly purples, but sometimes wears black or dark navy as a background for her various adornments (rings, necklaces, bracelets--cheap costume jewelry of economic necessity, but the latter two sometime homemade). BTW, when she wears red, she's the song Lady in Red incarnate. She does that fairly often for the effect it has on me: she was wearing red when I first saw her, and that sight is indelibly imprinted on my libido.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Thu Nov 17, 2022 4:44 pm

Terry's chart progressed to the moment and place of your birth:

6°40' Lib - r Venus
6°50' Cap - r Jupiter
7°00' Lib - r Mercury
7°04' Lib - t Vertex
7°16' Lib - p Moon
7°37' Lib - t Neptune

Your chart progressed to the moment and place of her birth:

2°08' Sag - t MC
2°11' Gem - p Moon

8°30' Sag - p EP-a
8°46' Sag - t Moon
9°00' Vir - p MC

Plus more or less the reverse of the above:

6°40' Lib - t Venus
6°50' Cap - t Jupiter
7°00' Lib - t Mercury
7°04' Lib - r Vertex
7°37' Lib - r Neptune
8°09' Ari - p Mercury

Composite chart: Various things, including:

25°26' Sag - Venus
26°24' Sag - MC

3°41' Sco - Jupiter
5°32' Aqu - Moon

9°45' Leo - Mars
9°54' Leo - Pluto

mikestar13 · Post by **mikestar13** » Fri Nov 18, 2022 5:13 am

The progressions to each other's chart seem quite appropriate, including her progressed moon to my Ne-Vx and yes there really is a fated quality to us.The other indications look rather favorable. I normally don't put much stock in composite charts, but Ve-MC and Mo-Ju are right on target, as are the Ma-Pl power struggles, which have consisted of us struggling together against the system and it's fairly constant efforts to separate us from when we met until December 2020, and that particular idiocy still threatens to recur, when either of us are upset with the care we get at our ALF.

mikestar13 · Post by **mikestar13** » Fri Nov 18, 2022 5:31 am

Re fated pMo-Ne-Vx and "fated" be it noted that shortly before that I had literally sworn on my mother's grave I would never love again. Then on seeing her for the first time, my first words to God were "her, that young, that beautiful HERE? Lord God, it's not possible, but thank you!" followed quickly by "Lord, about that oath...", Terry's experience was similar to mine, though less dramatic and slower to unfold. She had sworn off men and had her own "Lord, about that..." moments, particularly after the June 2018 stabbing incident when she could no longer deny or hide from her feelings. She had never had a man lay his life on the line for her without a second thought.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Fri Nov 18, 2022 7:30 am

One of my uncertainties about Composite charts rests on this: Composites are made entirely of midpoints, yet Composite methodology routinely relies on things that we're pretty sure midpoints don't do. This has inclined me increasingly to start putting Composites on 90° dials for aspect purposes and let that be that.

Starting with something simple: We know midpoints conjoin, (In one sense, that's ALL we know.) By conjoin, I mean that sense in which you and I have discussed where points at 90° from the half-sum are all direct midpoints, and midpoints of midpoints give behavior the same as if they take valid 45° (like - oh, I forgot to mention this one

- the 0°40' Venus-Mars sesquisquare in yours and Terry's composite).

But that's all. Midpoints don't make trines and sextiles. (Or, if they do, notwithstanding my own experience, there is nonetheless nobody suggesting it from the two German schools that put midpoints on the map personally.) So... could trines and sextiles in Composites possibly exist? ("Possibly" is too strong, of course, but you get the point.) The literature on Composites strongly relies on this (even when written by the best astrologers around), but is it a fiction? Since you and Terry have a 0°08' Mars-Pluto conjunction, does it matter that these two planets are closely trine Saturn (or is it accurate and informative beyond the original aspect)? Since you have a Sun-Mercury close conjunction on the Zenith of what is already a Jupiter-leaning chart, does Jupiter's sextiles to the Sun-Mercury matter? or is it accurate? or is it newly informative? Etc.

I'm not worried too much about orbs btw. Orbs, in every situation known to me, are graduated. There is no conflict between the ideas that midpoints (as part of a whole chart) have tiny (partile or near-partile) orbs and that a collection of a dozen specially selected, especially distinctive midpoints could display wider (Class 2 aspect size) aspect relationships with each other.

The big one is houses: The earliest literature on Composites (Townley's book) was 100% house driven - the idea that Sun, Moon, and stellium house placements describe the essential tone, nature, purpose etc. of a relationship. Hand did nothing to weaken this, though he developed other features better as well. Perhaps because of how I was first introduced to them, the Composites that have impressed me the most live up to that promise (and the ones that disappoint me the most do not).

But there is no noteworthy evidence (only an occasional assertion from an astrologer who doesn't live and die by midpoints) that house placements of midpoints are important; nor does it make sense if we understand midpoints as always being four-point (or, at the very least, two-point) positions; and Composite houses are pretty artificial (unless we later get more substantial evidence that house cusps actually exist as independent objects).

Can we make a case that you and Terry have a fundamentally 10H (Sun) and 11H (Moon) relationship? Sure. And then it becomes a little exciting to see that Moon is moderately opposite Mars-Pluto in 5H, creating a dynamic and a tension along those themes (are we comfy, "at home" friends? or are we "shred any fabric in the way" explosive lovers? and what's the relationship between the two poles?). And then Moon also goes and squares Jupiter in 7H, so the resolution is in getting the right Jupiter figure to tie the knot for you. It's pretty good. But you probably saw me "working for it." Following my flow of thoughts in doing that does not show me discovering anything so much as conforming what I know of facts to the chart. (Thus does it too often go with houses.)

Other individual house placements show well, too (though I'd have to rethink what 10H means in your specific circumstances).

So there's another important query about Composites: In a chart composed entirely of highly select "special" midpoints, can houses actually mean anything? And, if not, then why should we trust any of the great enthusiasm over Composites over the decades, since they have substantially relied on this one detail.

All this long meandering this morning is wandering my mind around whether we shouldn't just treat Composites like wheels with select midpoints and interpret them primarily by the known-good aspects (spatial relationships) between midpoints. In that case, here is the most straightforward picture of yours and Terry's composite:

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mikestar13 · Post by **mikestar13** » Thu Nov 24, 2022 5:37 pm

I'm inclined to agree with your thinking. I never put much stock in Townley et al. Like any relationship between two charts, soft aspects are highly dubious and I have never considered them (or house position) in composites. I really like your 90 degree dial approach.

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