A timed chart for the May 17 1792 NYSE Radical Chart

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Mon Nov 29, 2021 4:38 pm

SteveS wrote: Mon Nov 29, 2021 3:30 pm There has only been one month in the entire history of this NYSE Chart that an Age Harmonic (AH) Moon lined-up with a partile 0 or 180 aspect with an AH Saturn.

I found 16 times it has occurred (and the exact hit wasn't 10/29 but the aftermath, though it was in orb 10/29).

Sep 11 1807
Jun 15 1820
Apr 1 1835
Nov 13 1847
Aug 27 1862
Mar 30 1875
Nov 25 1889
Aug 3 1902
Jan 22 1917
Nov 13 1929
Mar 22 1944
Jan 26 1957
Jun 18 1971
Mar 18 1984
Oct 12 1998
May 16 2011

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 2:55 am

Jim, here is what I originally posted:

AH Moon for the NYSE will exactly conjunct NYSE ASC once a month each year and 180 NYSE ASC once a month each year, but AH Saturn only exactly conjuncts or 180 NYSE ASC every 40 years beginning in 1810. Here are those dates:
June 30 1810
April 5 1850
Jan 9 1890
*October 16 1929
July 22 1969
April 27 2009

Jim, going back over my notes I took when using the “Dynamic Report” in Solarfire for this AH analysis, I find this:
AH Saturn cnj or 180 (exact) Natal NYSE ASC in its entire history:
June 30 1810
April 5 1850
Jan 9 1890
Oct 16 1929
July 22 1969
April 27 2009
Also in my notes I find the months for each of the above years when AH Moon exact cnj or 180 NYSE ASC:
1810: AH Moon cnj & 180 April & Oct
1850: AH Moon cnj & 180 Feb & Aug
1890: AH Moon cnj & 180 June & Dec
*1929: AH Moon cnj Oct
(to be more specific for the exact day in Oct 1929, I am now looking at SF list and this is the data: Mo cnj AS AH-NA Oct 29 07:42:12 AM EST 137.499 22 Gem 00)
1969: AH Moon cnj & 180 Mar & Sept
2009: AH Moon cnj & 180 Jan & July
The differences we are getting could be different versions of SF we are using, I don’t know for sure. I went back and double checked my original research and stand by my original post. I hope this post here may help clear-up things, but it’s no big deal to me.

Another look: AH Chart for 7:42:12 AM EST NY for Oct 29 NYSE showing AH Moon exact cnj NYSE ASC:
https://ibb.co/xLHNNLy

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:12 am

I was responding to your FIRST remark - that there was only one time ever for AH Moon conjunct or opposite AH Saturn. I thoughtc you were saying that singular occurrence was the big deal; but I noticed there were many more occurrences.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:23 am

Its difficult for me Jim to get to grips with looking at SF lists for AH with any chart. All I really know to do is pay close attention to the personal points with this NYSE chart, or any AH chart.

I have one glaring question if it can be answered by someone with your type mathematical mind: Mathmatically, WHY does AH Saturn with this NYSE Chart exibit 40 year cycles with 0,180 aspects with the NYSE ASC?

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:34 am

SteveS wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:23 am I have one glaring question if it can be answered by someone with your type mathematical mind: Mathmatically, WHY does AH Saturn with this NYSE Chart exibit 40 year cycles with 0,180 aspects with the NYSE ASC?

Saturn, in this chart, is 4°31'36" Aries. That means (in round, approximate numbers) that in the AH system it advances 4°31'36"'/year. To move 90°, it takes 90°00'/4°31'36", or just under 20 years (19.88 years). If you limit yourself to conjunctions and oppositions, we can double this - make it 180°00'/4°31'36" - to get an average of 39.76 years.

The speed of a planet in the AH system depends on where it is in the zodiac. This chart's Mars is at 26°53' Leo, so AH Mars moves 146°53'/year, or through 90° every 7+ months. The chart's Moon is 26°48' Pisces, so it moves 356°48'/year, or nearly a degree a day, covering 90° in just under 90 days.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 9:54 am

Thanks Jim. Crazy math. I will try to watch the monthly SF lists for AH hits to angles. Also will peer more into the past since I am familiar with some important tops and bottoms.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:04 am

At least you're turning to the next logical question of "How in the world could you use such a system?"

I'm not AT ALL convinced that this is a reliable system. I get some really good results including a rare brilliant result, then I get about the same number of dismal failures. That's a clear hallmark of it's unreliability.

But if I did have a greater respect for its hindsight results, that still raises the question of how to use it looking forward in a practical way. It seems utterly unmanageable.

mikestar13 · Post by **mikestar13** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 9:00 pm

I share Jim's skepticism. If AH actually works, I don't even have a semi-decent theoretical idea of why it should work. I can somewhat grasp the theoretical underpinnings of solunars, ingresses, progressions, and directions. And it still leaves the question of which harmonic to use for a 6-month old baby. SF offers both options, because there is no consensus. And this method is said to produce to the second rectifications! If today were my sixty-fifth birthday, is it 65H or 66H? The answer may result in positions differing by anywhere from 0 degrees to 180 degrees, depending on a factor's proximity to the VP.. Certainly it will produce some good hits. So does randomness.

Once as a lark I cast a horoscope for a neighbor not by using an ephemeris, but a random number generator: Sun thru Pluto and the Angles were random sidereal longitudes. I then read this mess by the standard techniques of Sidereal natal astrology (approximating angularity by Porphyry houses) and wouldn't you know it, some indications fit! Not coincidentally, ones that restated themes in her actual chart by chance. A good example was Su op Me (bet you never thought you'd see that in a "geocentric" chart!). Of course her real chart had a close Su co Me.

BTW, she was in on the joke, I had read her actual chart to her in depth before. I was in my early twenties and she was in her mid-forties but still rather easy on the eyes. We were friends and laughed a lot. I have a feeling if I had played my cards more confidently than I knew how at that age, she would have been my first real sex ed teacher. She was in a marriage that was still affectionate but totally sexless due to his medical problems. She was Taurus-Capricorn (real chart), BTW, don't remember much else of her chart.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Wed Dec 01, 2021 12:25 am

I understand Jim & Mike where you are coming from. Its just I got hooked on Gann's Sun Dates in my early 20s with intense research, and since I have nothing but time in retirement I though I would give AH some research time since AH proved out so well with my birth time. I doubt I have the right mathemactical understanding with AH to possibly prove anyting out solid, but I am still mighty impressed with the NYSE AH for Black Monday Oct 29 1929.

AH with the NYSE may reveal something that could clue me on something very important for a good low risk swing trade somewhere in my remaining future, I don’t know. I will continue to research things for the rest of my solar year and see what happens. I do know Gann was working with natural law Sun Dates marked from the vernal point. For example if you will go to the following linkhttps://www.barchart.com/stocks/quotes/$DOWI/interactive-chart you will see a recent top in the Dow on one of Gann’s Sun Dates Nov 8th.

More later

mikestar13 · Post by **mikestar13** » Wed Dec 01, 2021 6:33 am

I'd never tell anyone not to research something, and emotionally I hope you prove me wrong, Steve. I deem this technique unlikely to be added to the sideralist toolkit, but should it prove workable contrary to expectations, it isn't at all hard to calculate, though we must resolve the H = Age vs. H = Age + 1 question. If I were doing this research, I'd study both alternatives.

As a mathematically inclined astrologer, AH doesn't seem workable (but A+1H solves all these problems, no doubt why it was invented). Using AH, for a six month old baby, the age harmonic is 1/2 and the entire chart is compressed into half the zodiac reaching from the VP to its opposite point. For a two month old, the whole chart fits in a sextile. Worst of all, a newborn's AH is the VP. The mathematician in me is screaming in agony right now.

This would make AH the only birth chart based predictive technique that (ironically) really doesn't incorporate the birth chart seamlessly. You want a SSR for a six-month old? The birth chart is it, and responds to quotadians and PSSR's as well as transits. The progression for one day old doesn't look meaningfully different from the nativity, but it looks like a normal, readable chart, not something squashed into a single degree (actually slightly less, we would be using approximately the 1/365th harmonic).

Nevertheless, may the stars shine on you and your research bear fruit.

mikestar13 · Post by **mikestar13** » Wed Dec 01, 2021 6:51 am

SteveS wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 12:25 am AH with the NYSE may reveal something that could clue me on something very important for a good low risk swing trade somewhere in my remaining future, I don’t know. I will continue to research things for the rest of my solar year and see what happens. I do know Gann was working with natural law Sun Dates marked from the vernal point.

A fruitful avenue of inquiry: create four piles of dates where

Gann and AH both predict a market event.
Only AH does.
Only Gann does.
Neither does.

Compare and contrast these groups.

BTW, I totally get why stock prices could be responsive to a VP based phenomenon: the market is heavily influenced by the calendar.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Wed Dec 01, 2021 1:44 pm

Thanks for your input Mike, I respect your experience, math/computer skills, and suggestions about researching AH with Gann dates.

Mike wrote:

I'd never tell anyone not to research something, and emotionally I hope you prove me wrong, Steve. I deem this technique unlikely to be added to the sideralist toolkit, but should it prove workable contrary to expectations, it isn't at all hard to calculate, though we must resolve the H = Age vs. H = Age + 1 question. If I were doing this research, I'd study both alternatives.

AH are a puzzling technique to me but very interesting! For sure they offer excellent symbolism with big events in my life with my Natal time, and for the biggest event in the history of the NYSE on Black Monday Oct 29, 1929. I will continue to research AH with NYSE as long as I see worthy stuff for historical major events in the market.

https://www.barchart.com/stocks/quotes/ ... tive-chart

The link above shows a Gann Sun Date in action for what appears to be a significant top, Nov 8 2021. Looking at AH chart for this date on opening bell 9:30 AM EST reflects some very interesting symbolism, again for the NYSE ASC at 22,00 Gem:
AH Uranus 21,58 Gem (for change of trend).
AH Neptune 22,01 Virgo.
This will only become interesting to me if the Nov 8 top proves to be a major top! Will monitor… Next, I want to do some research on another huge NYSE event---another Black Monday—Oct 19 1987.
Inside wheel AH Nov 8 2021 9:30 AM; Outside wheel NYSE
https://ibb.co/hBHQ7kd

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Thu Dec 02, 2021 6:09 am

Black Monday 1987 is most interesting in light of the NYSE 1987 SSR.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Monday_(1987)

NYSE 1987 SSR:
https://ibb.co/VWpVRvS

Jim did a lot of Sidereal Mundane Astrology research with historical financial panics and discovered a clear Moon-Neptune Signature.
NYSE 1987 SSR:
A Moon-Neptune Paran!
SSR Moon 0,19 cnj MC
SSR Neptune 0,37 cnj DSC
SSR Saturn partile cnj WP

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:57 am

The Gann Sun Date Top on Nov 8 has produced a monthly reversal, the first technical clue for a possible major top for 2021. So far, the Dow has had its largest price correction for 2021 from the Nov 8 top of 2,300 points. Technically, I find this most interesting, but also find interesting there were important near exact Age Harmonic aspects to the NYSE ASC on Nov 8, a new technique I am exploring for possible clues to which Gann Sun Dates in the future could be active, possible exciting stuff for my market technical mind combined with astrology. The market is super volatile---need more time to confirm a possible major market top.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Sun Dec 05, 2021 5:50 am

A mystery I have been following where ever it leads me since 1980. This same mystery is what prompted me to take-up a serious study of mundane astrology.

Between 1980 and 1988, I did some intense market research into Gann’s “Square of Four Chart” which had 24 Dates spiraling around this chart. These 24 Dates are calculated by dividing 24 into the calendar year of 365 and its decimal days beginning with the Spring Equinox (Vernal Point). In order to do this research I had to obtain several years of DAILY price charts in different markets. After months of studying these price charts I discovered major market tops & bottoms (mostly tops) were happening on the EXACT days of these dates, with months of elapsed time before a new market high or low would occur. No doubt this proved to me a natural law (movement of the Sun throughout the calendar year) was actually timing these exact market tops & bottoms with much time (months) between the major tops and bottoms.

This year with tight angular Uranus symbolism in my current SSR, I discovered an astrological technique labeled Age Harmonics (AH). Jim helped me understand and calculate AH with Solarfire. It came to my mind a question: could AH with this NYSE Chart help calculate with high probability a future major market top or bottom on an exact Gann date? Knowing a natural law with the movement of the Sun beginning with Spring Equinox throughout a calendar year has something to do with major market tops/bottoms is most interesting to my mind, but really isn’t that big of a deal unless there is some other astronomical/astrological factor which will offer with very high probability WHICH Gann dates in the future have high probability of calculating a market top or bottom to the exact days of Gann’s dates.

As this new discovery of AH was recently happening in my mind, it just so happened a very significant top occurred in the Dow (NYSE) on Nov 8 (Gann Date) with a technical monthly reversal in price. It just so happened AH Uranus was near exact cnj NYSE ASC. AH Uranus only exacts cnj NYSE ASC once every 3 years.
If AH holds an astronomical/astrological key for Gann Dates, the Nov 8 NYSE top must cap the market for at least several weeks before a new all-time high is made, the longer in time elapse this tops caps the NYSE, the more important this Gann Date of Nov 8 combined with AH Uranus being within 2 minutes cnj NYSE ASC becomes, in other words, probably not an unimportant random event. On the other hand, if the NYSE quickly exceeds the Nov 8 top with new all-time highs, then I will state AH probably does not hold a key for forecasting future major Gann date tops & bottoms.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:55 am

The Dow (NYSE) is presently (app. 35,600) in a strong rallying trend from its low of 33,754 from the Gann Date top of Nov 8 at 36,567, an all-time high. The Dow will have to quickly close on the weekly charts above 36,567 to resume this raging Bull Market. The market is still very volitile since the top on Nov 8. Volitility has always been a strong technical marker near Major Top & Bottoms.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Thu Dec 16, 2021 7:44 am

The Dow has been approaching the November top. It crossed 36,000 again today and is currently at about 36,150. If nothing shakes it, we may see a new top this week.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Thu Dec 16, 2021 4:40 pm

Jim, if we close with new all time highs on the Dow weekly charts, this market may be headed to a massive blow-off top with your SMA sight about Jup-Nep on Capsolar Moon in April. Do you feel confortable about discussing this possibility with your SMA sight in this tread or another one of your threads?

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Thu Dec 16, 2021 4:43 pm

Feel free to share what we discussed as you wished. Ij a different form, it's already in my mundane forecasts for next spring.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Thu Dec 16, 2021 5:26 pm

Thanks Jim, we have plenty of time to discuss in depth later--lets see how the market closes the year out.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Thu Dec 30, 2021 5:13 pm

The Dow momentarily topped November 8 today, then settled slightly below. I'm very interested whether the week, month, and year close above 36,679 tomorrow.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Fri Dec 31, 2021 5:02 am

Yes, we had the second test of the Nov 8th top this week. When it closes above this Nov 8th top on the weekly charts--a strong indication for a continiuing Bull Market. The market seems to be digesting Covid related issues across the nation/world as far as possible shutdowns.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:25 am

Based on my market analysis pertaining to World Equity Markets, particularly the DOW, it should make new yearly lows below 29,500 by the end of this Capsolar. If we don’t see selling pressure by the end of this autumn, expect the market to test the all-time high by the end of the year.

I am looking for the market to become very volitile when t Neptune becomes partile conjunct the NYSE's MC.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Fri Aug 26, 2022 5:10 am

Oct 13 2022 NYSE LS (Luni-Solar):
https://ibb.co/cxFDM1g

This is an “outstanding incident” Saturn partile 90 Uranus LS for the NYSE Radical Chart, with a Mars/Neptune = MC (036) direct midpoint. I want to test this LS to see if it times acute selling pressure for the NYSE.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:17 am

ONLY IF the dow tests the pandemic lows of 18-19,000 this Autumn-- it will set-up a fantastic buying opportuninty for 2023.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:31 am

BTW, Steve, I forecast in 2020 that 2024 would be the year prosperity, break-out economic improvement, and the rest would hit the U.S. (Look at the Capsolar for January of that year.) It made a lot of sense then that getting past Covid-19 would take Saturn clearing Capricorn and about four years total.

The 2024 Capsolar still makes a lot of sense for that!

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:44 am

I agree with you 100 % Jim. If the DOW does not make new yearly lows below the May 2022 low at app 29,500 by the end of the year---then the 2022 yearly low in May may be the low for the year. I think a-lot will depend on the Sept inflation # which will come out in Oct. The Dow is being driven in a negative way by these high inflation numbers.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:18 am

The DOW is testing the June lows at 29,600. The market is oversold. Lets see if we have a market bounce. If not....

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:39 am

SteveS wrote: Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:18 am The DOW is testing the June lows at 29,600. The market is oversold. Lets see if we have a market bounce. If not....

It's right at the edge right now (29,715). I'm very interested in how today closes (and, of course, even more so how NEXT Friday closes).

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:56 am

The market closed mid-range still down over 500 pts, but it came back in the last hour of trading, which was somewhat encourging. And yes, the close next Fri will be important. Normally Oct is a bearish month but geez--the market is oversold big-time now.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:21 am

The market for a long time and now is showing strong technical syuff it is waiting on some type of major news to move it strongly into a directional new trend.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Sat Feb 11, 2023 8:13 am

SteveS wrote: Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:21 am The market for a long time and now is showing strong technical syuff it is waiting on some type of major news to move it strongly into a directional new trend.

In the short-term, I don't know where this is going.

But I know next year's Capsolar is the positive breakthrough chart we've all awaited, so the medium-term direction is quite up.

Somebody asked me last week where the market would be in a year (since "the experts" are all over the place). I said I didn't know where it would be in a year, but in 15 months the DJIA will be 37,000.

So I guess I'm committed to that prediction

. By spring 2024, we'll be at 37,000.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Sat Feb 11, 2023 10:12 am

Jim, I am looking for buying opportunities to possibly relay to a couple of friends who still play the markets. If the possible malefic May time period produces a hard sell-off, I will put out a buying opportunity.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Sat Mar 11, 2023 11:48 pm

Biden said Friday the two Bank failures are an isolated incidence indicating there is nothing for us small folks to worry about. If these two Bank Failures are part of the Moon-Pluto 90 in the DC Capsolar and the mundo angular Sun-Uranus 90, the US may be in for a rough ride for the year on balance, with more bank failures to eventually come about. No matter the real truth of these two bank failures, one thing I know as the truth: The NYSE always discounts the truth of the future with the smart money, economically speaking. If Biden knows the real truth of the matter with these two bank failures, the NYSE should be close for at least a near term rebound. I see no astrological panic indicators unless it is the mundo partile Mars-Jupiter 90, but it ain't angular so should not count as symbolizing alot of money dissaaperaing through the banking system. Lets all hope Biden is correct and these banking failures are isolated incidences.

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:52 am

SteveS wrote: Sat Mar 11, 2023 11:48 pm If these two Bank Failures are part of the Moon-Pluto 90 in the DC Capsolar and the mundo angular Sun-Uranus 90, the US may be in for a rough ride for the year on balance, with more bank failures to eventually come about.

The Moon-Pluto counts worldwide, of course. There are a couple of problems with thinking the Sun-Uranus is a factor. The most important is that the Capsolar is dormant: For all practical purposes, it "doesn't exist" for Washington, so (aside from ecliptical Moon aspects, which are universal or world wide), it doesn't really matter what aspects are in the Capsolar.

Second, of all the aspects in the foreground of ingresses for major financial crises, Sun-Uranus were totally average in their occurrence - nothing significant about them. Uranus can add to the "caught by surprise" element when some other factor is showing the downturn, but without heavy malefics (primarily Saturn and Neptune) you don't get a widespread money crisis.

We're still operating under the Libsolar and, while it's capable of shocks, the Sun-Venus-Pluto theme also doesn't show financial themes specifically (and, at the moment, I can't think of other charts combining with it that are likely to trigger something big). - The upcoming Arisolar has "shock for the people" symbolism, but, again, nothing specific about big financial stuff.

Lets all hope Biden is correct and these banking failures are isolated incidences.

The larger concern, I think, is impact on the tech industry, but they seem to be navigating it fine. Historically, Saturn in Aquarius means that tech is a great investment opportunity and flourishes - demand is high and breakthroughs occur, a real "democratization" of power. My forecast of that hasn't been correct in recent weeks, but I think it will be across most of the two years of Saturn in Aquarius.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:54 am

I got a phone call yesterday from a friend/client asking me to look at the Federal Reserve Birth Chart. My friend is very concerned what he sees happening with the banking system. He reminded me I had once told him what little work I had done with its history, I was impressed. I had forgotten all about this Natal Chart so I took a look at it this morning and was somewhat stunned.
Rodden Rating A: 12/23/1913 6:02 PM Washington DC.
https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Bu ... al_Reserve
Federal Reserve (FR) Natal:
https://ibb.co/nLH2kzR

The most angular Planet is Pluto partile 90 MC!!! Let there be no doubts this Pluto-MC symbolizes the most powerful institution in this Country. It has the power over the entire banking system of the USA! Pluto tightly opposes Sun, a very strong indicator of authoritative power! Mundo Mars rising 1,01 conjunct ASC. Ebertin COSI says about Mars-ASC symbolism:

Tendency to force one’s own will upon others…

Obviously, we have seen at times in history this institution “force its will” with “authoritative power” through the entire USA Banking System with its power to raise or lower Interest Rates!

But my friend wanted to know if I saw anything very important with my astrology analysis confirming the very aggressive moves the FR has been making with the rapid rise in Interest Rates, which he thinks for now is mainly responsible for last week two bank failures which is spooking the NYSE. I told my friend: Indeed I do! The following chart is the Progressed Solar Arc Chart for the FR:
https://ibb.co/6nRPLQq

Note this chart confirms a very important Solar Arc cycle for aggression (Mars) raising interest rates with an “outstanding incident” Directed MC partile conjunct p Natal Mars partile 90 p Sun. This is a very important major historical progressed cycle for the FR and we can all see the FR reacting to this force of nature (planetary symbolism).

IMO, if the FR does not back-off with their recent aggressive (Mars) moves in raising interest rates, we are going to see other banking institutions start failing. I think but not predicting, the FR will and must back-off with their recent aggressive raising of interest rates, or…..

Veronica · Post by **Veronica** » Sun Mar 12, 2023 5:04 pm

What a yucky chart with Saturn and Venus. No wonder everyone is miserably playing characters they hate.

Sometimes it feels likes this Federal Reserve is just a big huge meany hurting people just because it makes them happy. Thats a horrible foundation for an economic system.

personally in looking at the chart as a human being and not an event....that could be a very scary individual potentially. Reminded me of the Mortici pattern in a way.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:39 am

V, the major Mars-MC-Sun cycle in the FR’s progressed chart could be symbolizing good leadership for managing their major MC objectives. I need to go back and look at FR charts for the early 80’s when they rapidity jacked interest rates to 12-13 %. I know this for sure---it clobbered the Savings & Loan Industry.

Veronica · Post by **Veronica** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 4:36 am

SteveS wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:39 am V, the major Mars-MC-Sun cycle in the FR’s progressed chart could be symbolizing good leadership for managing their major MC objectives. I need to go back and look at FR charts for the early 80’s when they rapidity jacked interest rates to 12-13 %. I know this for sure---it clobbered the Savings & Loan Industry.

Could it? I do think I recall hearing there is new management.
My park here is over run with squirrels and I hate to admit it but I even had a HUGE rat try and move into my basement. Pretty sure the giant snake that lives in my chimney stack scared it off...but those rodents are nature's reflection of "savings and loan" creatures IMO, and well,there just needs to be a balance.

I really liked the economic model explained so brilliantly by Daniel Quinn, the negative feedback loop. As a mother I naturally used this model to feed and care for my own young, and it worked wonders for us.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Fri Mar 31, 2023 8:45 am

Headline financial news this morning: “Stocks Climb as U.S. Inflation Pressures Ease”.
There may be some unexpected (Uranus) surprises with the Fed’s next April SLR pertaining to interest rate hikes. I have never worked with the Fed’s Natal with Sidereal Astrology’s techniques, so April’s SLR may be a good test for some possible fireworks with the NYSE, later.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Mon May 01, 2023 6:44 am

I wrote on Mar 31:

There may be some unexpected (Uranus) surprises with the Fed’s next April SLR (April 8) pertaining to interest rate hikes. I have never worked with the Fed’s Natal with Sidereal Astrology’s techniques, so April’s SLR may be a good test for some possible fireworks with the NYSE, later.

The next Fed meeting begins tomorrow on May 2 and will end with a policy statement (Mercury) on May 3 at 2 pm Eastern. As of April 28, interest rate traders assigned a 90% probability to the FOMC raising the short-term federal funds rate by another quarter of a percentage point, to a range of 5.0% to 5.25%.

I have never worked with the Federal Reserve’s Natal Chart with “outstanding incident” SLR’s charts, but its current April 8 SLR calculates an “outstanding incident” angular SLR Mercury (12,06 Ari) partile 90 (0,03) Natal Uranus (12,03 Cap). This Me-Ur combo is excellent planetary symbolism the Fed may “unexpectedly change” (Uranus) their last 18 month policy of raising the Fed rates, by at least not raising rates for their May 3 2:00 PM EDT announcement (Mercury) with their May 2 meeting decision. If so, and with 90% of traders expecting at least another quarter of a point increase, this should create a significant bull move in the NYSE. Trader’s will “unexpectedly” (Uranus) be caught looking the wrong way for the market.

There is another good symbolic aspect in this SLR for a possible “unexpected change” in decision making by the Fed by not raising rates with aspects in the April 8 SLR:
A tight angular direct midpoint of Me/Ur = ASC (0,36), offering a double whammy of prominent Me-Ur symbolism.
Other notables:
t. Sun partile 90 SLR ASC; Natal Jupiter partile conjunct SLR MC.

Time will soon tell.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Thu May 04, 2023 5:01 am

No “unexpected change” with this SLR, Fed raises interest rates as expected another .25 %. But, the Fed Chairman Powell did signal with his communications a "pause" with interest rates hikes for their next meeting. We shall see later.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:00 am

In another thread my memory was jogged about the importance of Secondary Progression Charts for possible long developing major “life developments” for natives. Below is a link to my favorite Secondary Progressed chart for a World mundane situation that timed & crashed the NYSE---The beginning of the Great Depression in Oct 1929. This NYSE market crash is symbolically clearly seen with the Secondary Progessed Chart SA in longtitude.

Back in the 70’s when I first began my astrological studies and market research for a small company, I was given a timed NYSE chart by Louise McWhirter from her book, ‘Theory of Stock Market Forecasting’. The time was 7:52 AM LMT, 1792, NY,NY. This one Secondary Progressed Chart for Oct 1929 proved to me it is an accurate timed mundane chart of the NYSE.

Note: For years the NYSE had done nothing but beneficially gone up, up, & up (note Jupiter partile 90 MC). Taxi Cab drivers in NY were buying stocks with their merger incomes. The market turned into a huge speculative BUBBLE (note the partile angular 180 of Moon-Neptune for this huge speculative bubble)! Then in Oct 1929 the market crashed hard causing a worldwide economic depression (mundo Saturn partile conjunct the DSC)! This 1929 Oct crash remains the fastest most radical change of NYSE prices in its history up to 1929 from 1792 (note the partile secondary progressed 180 of Uranus-Pluto)!

It may take decades for a secondary progressed chart to calculate something angular important symbolically, but when it does, it times major “life developments.”

Oct 6 1929 Secondary Progressed Chart of this timed NYSE birth.
https://ibb.co/WzMvqJn

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 12:14 pm

I know by my personal research with this timed NYSE Chart we have an accurate birth time for the NYSE. I could offer many examples proving this but it would bore you. I will say this: Technically the NYSE is in the most overbought I have seen it in many months. Jim with his SMA research has proven to me one, if not the # aspect for panics, Moon-Neptune is par-excellent symbolism for panics but this aspect is not present in any of the SMA Solar Ingress charts so I am certainly not expecting a full blown market panic.

But I do see a short term Moon-Neptune with the NYSE current 2023 SSR, as well as other interesting partile aspects in the 2023 NYSE SSR, maybe indicating a rare buying panic. Secondary Progressed SSR Moon is now partile 90 SSR Neptune and transiting Neptune is partile conjunct NYSE MC. So let’s see if these Neptune aspects times a short term mini-panic in the market.

To offer you one of the many proofs this is an accurate timed NYSE chart take a look at the Moon- Neptune Paran in the NYSE’s 1987 SSR, backed-up with SSR Saturn partile conjunct the West Point. This was a clear signal that at some time in the NYSE 1987 solar year the market would experience a full-blown panic, and indeed it did with “Black Monday” on Oct 19 1987. But, I don’t believe I ever did the research to isolate the main chart which timed Black Monday on Oct 19 1987, if so, my mind has forgotten.

1987 NYSE SSR:
https://ibb.co/QkyL03J

Oct 19, 1987 Black Monday:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Monday_(1987)

Anyway, let’s see while 2023 secondary progressed NYSE SSR Moon is partile 90 SSR Neptune, we at least get near term a mini-panic for a short term correction from a technically overbought condition in the NYSE.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Thu Jul 27, 2023 5:52 am

It just came to my attention with the above 1987 SSR chart for the NYSE displaying the Moon-Neptune Paran, when “Black Monday” happened on Oct 19, 1987, t Saturn was partile 90 NYSE 1987 SSR Moon. This obviously timed this NYSE Moon-Neptune Panic in Oct 1987.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Thu Jul 27, 2023 8:08 am

The Dow has gone up for 13 trading days in its last 14 trading days, not often seen. And has now made it to top 5 short term run-ups since 1897, up strong again today. I hoping it will reach # 1 in its entire history since 1792.
IMO, the causative effect of this is secondary progressed 2023 NYSE Moon partile 90 NYSE SSR Neptune, maybe a mini-bubble. Short term chart of the Dow below link.

https://www.barchart.com/stocks/quotes/ ... tive-chart

Post by **Jim Eshelman** » Thu Jul 27, 2023 8:33 am

I don't think this is a bubble. I think this is the long high road, unleashing the bulls. Next year's Capsolar is the "back to raging prosperity" chart I've been waiting for since Covid hit, and, while we might have fluctuations between now and the rest of the year, I think we're back on the strong upsweep that carries through next year. (I'm thinking of adjusting my 401(k) balance, which is slightly conservative [age-appropriate] to put higher percentages in the volatile market.)

Here's a graphic I made about a week ago. I've traced an average line from the bottom, about a month after Obama took office, through the present. Essentially, the market has been on the same straight line with a little dip in 2015, the sharp Covid slash in 2020, the breathtaking Biden bump in 2021, the recession valley of 2022, then rising back to meet the long-term trend. I think charts like this put the market in useful, non-panic perspective.

DJIA.png

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Thu Jul 27, 2023 9:00 am

I don't think this is a bubble.

Yes, I agree Jim, defintely not a major bubble---maybe a short term technical bubble. With t Neptune on NYSE MC I expect weird market things to happen and it could be we are seeing the early stages of rip-snorting BULL. Most of the market senitment out there is still bearish and this is good for an extended bull move

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SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Fri Aug 25, 2023 2:28 pm

The NYSE showed good action today of a washout bottom which occurred yesterday, possibly to end the corrective movement the NYSE has been in the last several days. Let’s see what happens next week.

SteveS · Post by **SteveS** » Mon Aug 28, 2023 2:18 pm

So far-so good--for a possible significent bottom last Thursday in the NYSE---Dow up 213 today.