Obama's 2013 SSR

[Jim Eshelman]

Aug 30, 2013

Looking at Obama’s current DC SSR, we see a powerful Venus 2,20 mundo from Asc partile 90 MC. His Natal Mars is foreground 4+ degrees from SSR Asc. IMO, this reads he will do everything possible for a peaceful resolution but may be forced to react by useing his Natal Mars with the Syrian mess. Anyone have any more thoughts about this SSR?

[Jim Eshelman]

Aug 30, 2013

Chart or no chart, I think he's constitutionally wired to want peace first. (Don't forget his Taurus Moon.) But that Moon also will fight ferociously in the face of inhumanity or cruelty.

I think, though, that there also are political implications that are being addressed complexly. On the surface, the White House doesn't want another Rwanda. OTOH, "not wanting another Rwanda" is enormously useful in a larger game, where taking down Syria has at least a dozen separate advantages, and is the entry point to a still larger game with Iran. They could still commit one-to-two years to this and be out (or moved on) before the next election year, and it could play well for the mid-term elections.

Meanwhile, Syria (1) is the biggest terrorist zit still to be popped, (2) houses Hezbollah, (3) has WMDs and is known to be actively using them, (4) lies exactly between and touching our two most important strategic allies in the area, Turkey and Israel, (5) is the key to liberating and stabilizing Lebanon, (6) is the test case Israel is watching to see whether the rest of the world will really support it against Iran and, therefore, whether Israel starts a proactive war with Iran, (7) could be the key to resolving the Israeli-Palestine question, (8) confronts Iran's primary outreach portal for overt terrorism, (9) tests whether Iran really will fire missiles at Israel if we enter Syria, and how good they are [while we are sitting off the coast in easy shooting distance of taking them out], and (10) generally lays the building Iran issue more bare and either discloses that they aren't a threat, or allows an easy justification to take them out very fast (with other ships that we surely will have in the Persian Gulf at the same time), or justifies our climbing right up their ISP pipe.

And that's just what l'il ol' me can think of in 60 seconds of typing without working at it too hard.

Given all that - that this isn't just the humanitarian effort on behalf of the people of Syria - how do you think Obama will take things?

[Jim Eshelman]

Aug 30, 2013

BTW, when Hilary Clinton became Secretary of State, Warren Christopher gave her two pieces of advice (or, at least, two that can be repeated in public).

1. Don't plan vacations very far ahead.

2. Never plan one for September. Something always happens in September.

[Jim Eshelman]

Aug 31, 2013

Jim wrote and asked:

Given all that - that this isn't just the humanitarian effort on behalf of the people of Syria - how do you think Obama will take things?

I think the answer to this question is he will likely react to Syria with his Natal Mars foreground in his current SSR. Your teachings have taught me that foreground planets, both natal & solar set the tone of the entire period covered by a SSR. Put this Mars SSR factor with your above list argues well for a likely strike on Syria, regardless of allies support. The powerful SSR Venus could argue for solid 'victory'.

[Jim Eshelman]

Aug 31, 2013

Steve, I haven't had the chance to check Obama's recent Lunar Return (and I'm not near my computer). How does it look?

Current DC Aug 28th SLR:
Asc 00,01 Can
Mars 05,12 Can
MC 14,33 Pi
Ur 16,56 Pi
WP 278,43 RA
Pl 279,42 RA

Transits to Natal:
t Ma 0 n Me 9/1
t Ma 90 n Nep 9/11
t Ma 0 n Sun 9/17
t Ma 180 n Asc 9/26

[Jim Eshelman]

Sep 01, 2013

We shouldn't overlook the natal Saturn in this mix; it's conjunct the Descendant, opposite SLR Mars and in mundane square to the elevated Uranus. No wonder public opinion turned an about-face against him! The coalition of the willing is down to France and Turkey; outright rejection by the UK Parliament; lip-service support from Canada; no hint of cooperation from Germany, Poland or Spain; push-back from the UN Secretary General; 9% approval from the US population on a Syrian venture; outright hostility from Russia, Iran and Syria.

Note the SLR Sun opposite Neptune in the dead background: lack of enough vitality and Presence to get his way.

He's feeling the sting, a kick up the Saturn-parts.

Now here's an interpretive question, whose answer is eluding me at the moment: SLR Venus is in the Mars-Uranus-Saturn mix. How does that pertain to what's going on?

-Derek

[Jim Eshelman]

Sep 01, 2013

Derek wrote:

Now here's an interpretive question, whose answer is eluding me at the moment: SLR Venus is in the Mars-Uranus-Saturn mix. How does that pertain to what's going on?

Excellent point Derek. Also, angular SLR Venus receives a partile 90 from SLR Jupiter, which suggests to me he receives a prominent benefic influence—maybe achieves his objective.

Also, angular SLR Venus receives a partile 90 from SLR Jupiter, which suggests to me he receives a prominent benefic influence—maybe achieves his objective.

That may be. After posting, I saw news items that there are still advisors egging him on, and Pres. Obama still has time to appeal to Congressmen and work for the votes. Venus may be representing them.

-Derek

Some reports claim he changed his mind on Friday. He was intent on going through with a strike without congressional approval then, he has a Venus accented LR, and he flips his position surprising of most of his advisors.

I can defintely see Obama,s Natal Mars foreground working in his SSR, but the powerful SSR Venus, as of now, I can't see working.

[Jim Eshelman]

Sep 03, 2013

Now here's an interpretive question, whose answer is eluding me at the moment: SLR Venus is in the Mars-Uranus-Saturn mix. How does that pertain to what's going on?

To answer that, I undertook a search in the archives and found this early interpretation of Venus aspecting natal Saturn in the SLR:

The effects are often anguishing when Venus in transit (especially when stationary or retrograde) configurates the birth Saturn from the foreground, for this may on occasion betoken tears, grief and laments. Under this transit husbands have mourned the loss of their wives, parents of their children, and children of their parents. Cupid may knock at the door but only to cause the native marked discomfiture.

American Astrology Magazine, "Solunars" June 1954

Since natal Saturn acts centrifugally, see it this way: natal Saturn is reaching outward, asking "Who's gonna kick me?" The transits act centripetally, from the environment towards the native. Mars says, "All the people who hate you already." Venus says, "All the people who used to like you." Uranus says: "Surprise!"

Derek,
thanks very much for the explanation, much appreciated,
Florence

[Jim Eshelman]

Sep 03, 2013

Jim writes from ISR:

The Solar Return is the basis of the most powerful forecasting system presently know to astrological technology.

Cyril Fagan historical astrological research clearly stated from an AA article-- the ‘secret’ of the ancient astrologers were Solar Returns computed in the Sidereal Zodiac.

Obama has a non-dormant current SSR with a qualifying powerful Venus, and mundanely, Venus in battle or war with the ancient astrologers symbolized ‘Victory’. During the last Presidential Election I predicted Romney to win-- completely ignoring Obama’s SSR before the Election. Obama’s pre-election 2012 SSR featured a double whammy of angular Venus:

SSR Asc 08,36 Gem
SSR Venus (E) 03,05 Gem. Mundo, 1,39 from SSR Asc.
Natal Venus (E) 07,35 Gem.

Obama kicked-butt in the 2012 Election! I consider Obama’s current SSR Venus more potent than his 2012 SSR Election Venus. Based on his potent 2013 SSR Venus, I will predict a ‘Victory’ for Obama’s objective with Syria. Obama's main objective is to do something that helps allow a regimen change in Syria. In 2012, Obama's main objective was to win the Presidential Election.

[Jim Eshelman]

Sep 04, 2013

Hello Steve,
Usually when I think of the word victory i would tend to think that this is Jupiter's domain. In my view Venus refers more to love and peacemaking expressed. I am therefore curious to learn what your defiinition of victory is in the light of Venus for Obama in the current situation.
Regards,
Florence

Florence wrote:

In my view Venus refers more to love and peacemaking expressed. I am therefore curious to learn what your definition of victory is in the light of Venus for Obama in the current situation.

Yes, ‘love and peacemaking’ is the norm for Venus but we are not dealing with a normal situation with Obama's 'current situation'-- pertaining to Obama's immediate environment. Obama has entered himself into the arena of battle with Syria just as he entered himself into the arena of battle from a political standpoint running for re-election in 2012, which with all of his angular Venus in his 2012 SSR appears with 20-20 hindsight to have symbolized ‘Victory.’ This is why I think his potent angular Venus in his 2013 SSR may again be symbolizing some type of important ‘Victory.’ IMO, our immediate environment dictates a certain amount interpretive adaptation when interpreting prominent angular symbolism with planetary manifestations. As of now, Obama’s immediate environment is battle—so the big question is: What is this powerful Venus in Obama’s 2013 SSR truly symbolizing in the arena of battle/war?

[Jim Eshelman]

Sep 10, 2013

As of now it appears a diplomatic solution may be reached with Obama and the Syria situation. If so, then I will see Obama’s powerful SSR Venus working.

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013 ... ution?lite

[Jim Eshelman]

Sep 27, 2013

Again, we see Obama’s powerful 2013 SSR Venus working:

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013 ... -iran?lite

You mean as in "making new friends" ?

Yes, now we have to wait and see what social gathering they attend.

[Jim Eshelman]

Nov 25, 2013

I wrote on Aug 30:

Looking at Obama’s current DC SSR, we see a powerful Venus 2,20 mundo from Asc partile 90 MC.

Jim responded on Aug 30:

Chart or no chart, I think he's constitutionally wired to want peace first.

Yesterday, Sunday Nov 24 the WH announced a new Peace Treaty with Iran which IMO is huge! So far, the financial markets are reacting favourably to this news but it could be the markets discounted this good news long ago. I have repeatedly said in this Forum, Solar Quotidians are my favorite Quotidians to analysis. Note on Obama’s Solar Quotidian for Nov 24 (12:00 PM), SQ Venus is elevated at its highest point (Zenith) in the zodiac at 22 degrees Leo, partile 90 Obama's SQ Asc at 22 Scop. Also note on Obama’s NQ2 Quotidian, NQ Jupiter is partile conj NQ2 IC. Also, by my experience with Quotidians the NQ1 is a valid chart, and we note NQ1 Pluto partile 90 NQ1 MC. Believe me folks, if you have not experienced your own Quotidians related to important incidents in your life, you are missing some par-excellent planetary symbolism. IMO, it is important to monitor your Q Charts, particularly when ‘out of the ordinary’ things are happening in your life. The above 3 Q Charts for Obama proves the worth of Q Charts for a very important DAY in his Presidency.

[SteveS]

I will never forget when I first started studying Sidereal Astrology I was blown away there were important daily charts which could be scanned for the future or seen/proven with hindsight as a most unique chart. This was I think a Cyril Fagan discovery/method. It reminds me of “there are good days, and there are bad days.” Certain Solar Quotidians (daily charts) are very unique/important charts. If you have the time/finances, you can relocate your Sidereal Solar Return to pick-off at least a benefic quotidian day or two, and have the bonus of probably improving your entire solar year with better angular planetary symbolism. This quotidian knowledge allows you to be “In the right place at the right time,” or maybe avoiding “the wrong place at the wrong time.”