SteveS wrote:Linda Lovelace AA rated: Jan 10th 1949 6:23 AM Bronx, New York
Here again we see a natal signature of Venus opposses Uranus 1,18 in the foreground. Ebertin says about Venus-UranusAmerican actress, famous for the porno film "Deep Throat," 1972. The famous movie, made by her husband Chuck Traynor, made $600 million and she made nothing. She was married to Traynor (who later married Marilyn Chambers) for two years, during which time she was hypnotized, raped, sold, threatened, beaten and prostituted in a master/slave relationship. In 1971 she was forced to have sex with five guys in Miami.
Bradley says about Venus-Uranus:Principle: The arousing of love.
Biological Correspondence: The rhythm of the libido and of the sex life.
Psychological Correspondence: A strong excitability in love-expression, the variegated expressions of love ranging between sentimentality and eccentricity, artistic talents, strange urges and inclinations.
Note Pluto 1,46 cnj Vertex for the “shocking/stunning” circumstances which occurred in her life.This combination presages unique erotic experiences, particularly of the tabooed kind.
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Arena wrote:Well poor Linda was coerced - so in my opinion she is not a very good example of Venus - Uranus, as that is not necessarily a negative violent aspect.
Linda's chart would have to show us prominent features of coercion and violence - and the Pluto on Vx might give an indication of her sex slavery - but I think we should examine Pluto's aspects as well and other features of the power control and manipulation her husband used. It is not a nice Venus-Uranus (which is not malefic) erotic experiences that might be taboo, but not at all violent.
In her chart I see Mars opposite Pluto - and it might actually have become a prominent aspect in her progressed chart. Mars-Pluto is much more indicative of the violent sex than Venus-Uranus in my view. If we look at the house placement, we see that her Pluto is in her 8th sign, so highly connected to sex and death - and with Mars opposite, it becomes violent.
I don't remember if she relocated and that we should look at her chart that way ... but I kindly but firmly oppose and am quite upset about the idea of Venus - Uranus being related to such a power dark violent coercive matter as sex slavery. There is another explanation of that, I am sure.
I have to say that the Venus-Uranus opposition that is more angular in her chart will be more indicative of what the world thought and saw, showing her as a woman that supposedly was just enjoying herself in that "tabooed" sex kind of thing and was broadcasted for that (Uranus is also about broadcasting to a wider audience) - and the Pluto - Mars since not angular, is what was happening to her behind the scenes in the sex slavery world of porn and prostitution. I've read a bit about her story, so in my view it is not the benefics, Venus and Uranus who are describing her horrible story - although many men choose not to believe the horrible sadness and violence and coercion because they simply so much want to keep their belief in "the happy hooker" image.Early life
Boreman was born in The Bronx, New York, to a working-class family. She was raised in an unhappy family as the daughter of John Boreman, a police officer who was seldom home, and Dorothy Boreman (née' Tragney), a harsh, domineering disciplinarian. She attended private Catholic schools, including Saint John the Baptist (Yonkers, New York) and Maria Regina High School. Linda was nicknamed "Miss Holy Holy" in high school because she kept her dates at a safe distance. When Boreman was 16, her family moved to Florida after her father retired from the New York City Police Department. At age 20, she gave birth to her first child, which her mother gave up for adoption. Shortly afterwards, Linda returned to New York City to live and go to computer school. There, she was involved in an automobile accident, sustaining injuries that were serious enough to require her to undergo a blood transfusion. The transfused blood had not been properly screened for hepatitis contamination, which caused her to need a liver transplant 18 years later.
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While recovering at the home of her parents, Boreman became involved with Chuck Traynor. According to Boreman, Traynor was violent and controlling. She said he forced her to move to New York, where he became her manager, pimp, and husband.
Coerced by Traynor, Boreman was soon performing as Linda Lovelace in hardcore "loops," short 8-mm silent films made for peep shows. Boreman starred in a 1971 bestiality film titled Dog {shagger} and alternately Dogarama. She later denied having appeared in the film until several of the original loops proved otherwise. In 2013, Larry Revene, the cameraman who actually shot the film itself, spoke about it for the first time, and in so speaking about it, he asserted that Boreman was a willing participant and that no coercion took place.
In 1972, Boreman starred in Deep Throat, in which she famously performed deep-throating. The film achieved surprising and unprecedented popularity among mainstream audiences and even a review in The New York Times. It played several times daily for over ten years at theaters in the Pussycat Theater chain, where Boreman did promotions, including leaving her hand and footprints in the concrete sidewalk outside the Hollywood Pussycat. The movie later became one of the first, and highest-grossing, X-rated videotape releases.
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Arena wrote:In light of the violence and coercion in Linda's life, let us examine her progressed chart - when her ASC likely approached and passes Mars and the time when the progressed Mars comes into exact opposition to Pluto. I think that will give us a better picture of this violent sex life.
I somehow feel a very strong urge to come to the defence of Venus-Uranus (happy-go-lucky-experimenting-with-sex and love kind of aspect) describing her life after having read some of her own stories about it.
Even though people in this forum do not use houses or rulers of signs so much... I cannot help but notice from her sidereal chart that the ruler of her husband, her Dsc, would be Mercury and in tight conjunction to Mars. If Pluto is conjunct her Vx that is another connection with the husband or relationship axis.
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SteveS wrote:Arena wrote:I agree her progression could very well time the time in her life when she became a sex slave. I will take a look later or feel free to post what you see.In light of the violence and coercion in Linda's life, let us examine her progressed chart - when her ASC likely approached and passes Mars and the time when the progressed Mars comes into exact opposition to Pluto. I think that will give us a better picture of this violent sex life.
Arena wrote:Yes, we must always remember we are looking at charts of people who are in the limelight of the public. Most of humanity leads normal ho-hum lives. Venus-Uranus certainly does not always symbolize sex of the malefic taboo kind. As you said, Venus-Uranus can very well manifest as happy-go lucky exciting benefic love. We always have to endeavour to interpret charts as a whole. I definitely think with Linda’s Pluto-Vertex was the main symbolic reason her Venus-Uranus manifested in the manner we read with her bio. Also another very important factor when interpreting Natal Charts: We have to take into account one’s immediate environment which in most case is unknown or concealed from the astrologer without a bio.I somehow feel a very strong urge to come to the defence of Venus-Uranus (happy-go-lucky-experimenting-with-sex and love kind of aspect) describing her life after having read some of her own stories about it.
Arena wrote:Indeed! This Pluto-Vx is another important signature of her Natal Chart. Pluto is a most potent power for good or bad. I think an astrologer must know details about one’s immediate environment in order to have higher probability of judging correctly.If Pluto is conjunct her Vx that is another connection with the husband or relationship axis.
I cannot help but notice from her sidereal chart that the ruler of her husband, her Dsc, would be Mercury and in tight conjunction to Mars.
Just the tight cnj of Mercury-Mars along is an important part of her Natal Chart. In her sex environment we know this Me-Mars worked in a malefic manner. Usually when I do these quick analysis for a Sidereal Astrology standpoint, I only focus on partile aspects and strong angular/Vx activity. In most cases for a bio, we can see with this quick focus the main symbolic planetary activity in there lives. Thanks for your input—it adds more to the analysis.
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SteveS wrote:Arena, you are correct, Linda’s p. angles SA in Long certainly helps time when Linda became a sex-slave, which was in 1971. Computed to Jan 1 1971 her p Me- partile 180 p. Pl partile cnj EP-WP axis. Transiting Saturn partile 90 p. Me-Pl, p. Mars partile 90 SA in Long MC—very nasty angular symbolism.
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Arena wrote:Thanks Steve
I kind of knew that, but/very good to have it confirmed since we must keep an open mind to venus-uranus being a positive. I had recently read a lot about pluto mars symbolism that can be explosive passionate lsex, but also has this possible very'dark side,. Being violent and abusive.
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Arena wrote:well, let me just firmly state that i dont think we are always able to choose how aspects manifest themselves ...although in some instances we might.
I do think there are times and circumstances in peoples lives that simply overpower them and there seems little they can do to get away from it. F.ex. extreme cases of abuse and violence where people are made slaves and prisoners to that abuse. There is no talk of free will in those circumstances and i think it is disrespectful to say that. Sometimes people are indeed victims and cannot get away from it.
Having both malefics strongly playing a part tells us that circumstances at those time might indeed get to be overpowering.
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I completely disagree with "overpowering" (although "might" redeems it <g>).
Whether one is overpowered depends on so many things, such as one's strength. Also, one can't be overpowered if ones doesn't fight it but, instead, chooses what is presented by life.
You're in the car, so take the ride.
Whether one is overpowered depends on so many things, such as one's strength. Also, one can't be overpowered if ones doesn't fight it but, instead, chooses what is presented by life.
You're in the car, so take the ride.
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Arena wrote:Yes you are taking the ride, you are in the car...but sometimes someone else is at the wheel and you might be in the trunk, tied up and unable to move.
There really is nothing to agree or disagree upon and there really is nothing to argue about. It is just a very very sad fact about this world.
And i am really not talking about us privileged and well-off people, i am talking about situation when people are indeed overpowered by others, f.ex. children who are locked up and abused as sex slaves for sick men. I am talking about those we know of who have actually been locked up as prisoners or threatened somehow so that others are in control of them.
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Arena, now that I have time to pay closer attention to the thread...
First, yes, I totally agree with you that Venus-Uranus isn't inherently violent or coercive (it might be incidentally at times, but not inherently).
I also see where you are coming from on seeing Venus-Uranus only as how she was seen - though I don't agree with you. Regardless of conscious choice on Linda's part, Venus-Uranus is, in fact, what she is to the world: She was (and remains) one of the few most outstanding representations of her era of the tearing down of sexual limitations.
This isn't smaller than her personality - it's larger. It's of the scope that, say, U.S. presidents reach. Repeatedly, I've seen individuals (who had horoscopes that portrayed them routinely as they individuals they were) become presidents and, suddenly, their charts were no longer just theirs - any more than their lives were theirs. Their charts began showing as expressions of archetypes, not individuals.
I think it was thus for Linda Lovelace, too. Whatever her personal choices and her personal experience of that difficult time, before the world she is an almost singular example of the explosive ripping down of sexual limitation in art and in people's minds.
One thing I think you're missing is the Jupiter emphasis. Jupiter is closely rising, and Sun is in Sagittarius (within a wide, but still thinly workable, orb of conjunction with Jupiter). Sun-Jupiter natal aspects are very common for people that are too weak to resist difficult circumstances, to the point where they are common aspects for suicide, prostitution (both voluntary and coerced), rape, and other difficulties.
First, yes, I totally agree with you that Venus-Uranus isn't inherently violent or coercive (it might be incidentally at times, but not inherently).
I also see where you are coming from on seeing Venus-Uranus only as how she was seen - though I don't agree with you. Regardless of conscious choice on Linda's part, Venus-Uranus is, in fact, what she is to the world: She was (and remains) one of the few most outstanding representations of her era of the tearing down of sexual limitations.
This isn't smaller than her personality - it's larger. It's of the scope that, say, U.S. presidents reach. Repeatedly, I've seen individuals (who had horoscopes that portrayed them routinely as they individuals they were) become presidents and, suddenly, their charts were no longer just theirs - any more than their lives were theirs. Their charts began showing as expressions of archetypes, not individuals.
I think it was thus for Linda Lovelace, too. Whatever her personal choices and her personal experience of that difficult time, before the world she is an almost singular example of the explosive ripping down of sexual limitation in art and in people's minds.
I agree that the Pluto-Vertex conjunction is important in her case, especially given the involuntary nature of her power for transformation.Arena wrote:Linda's chart would have to show us prominent features of coercion and violence - and the Pluto on Vx might give an indication of her sex slavery
Pluto has no aspects except the "generational" sextile to Neptune.but I think we should examine Pluto's aspects as well
I think you looked at the chart wrong. Mars is at 10°29' Capricorn. Pluto is at 21°55' Cancer. That would be an orb of 11°26', far beyond anything operable.In her chart I see Mars opposite Pluto
One thing I think you're missing is the Jupiter emphasis. Jupiter is closely rising, and Sun is in Sagittarius (within a wide, but still thinly workable, orb of conjunction with Jupiter). Sun-Jupiter natal aspects are very common for people that are too weak to resist difficult circumstances, to the point where they are common aspects for suicide, prostitution (both voluntary and coerced), rape, and other difficulties.
You don't have to leap to Hindu systems for this. Pluto is actually in her VIIIth house. Remember, you can only really tell Campanus house placements from the Mundoscope, not from the horoscope. Pluto is 33°15' in PV longitude above Descendant, i.e., still 3°35' within the VIIIth house.If we look at the house placement, we see that her Pluto is in her 8th sign, so highly connected to sex and death - and with Mars opposite, it becomes violent.
She was born in the Bronx. At 16, she moved with her family to someplace in Florida, but soon returned to New York City. All the main incidents with Traynor occurred in New York City.I don't remember if she relocated
It isn't related to the coercion or the dark aspects per se. It's related to her role (to the point of her whole life becoming identified with it) in the display of unrestricted sexuality.but I kindly but firmly oppose and am quite upset about the idea of Venus - Uranus being related to such a power dark violent coercive matter as sex slavery.
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I should add that Lovelace was true to her Jupiter (and, more specifically, Sagittarian) nature. She began as a "good Catholic girl," and was nicknamed "Miss Holy, Holy" for keeping boyfriends outside arms' reach. I'm sure a great deal of her personal life was centered around different struggles with issues of morality. As a Sagittarius-Aries she also was inherently imperial - was able to hold herself high - but, also, one can't miss (on the other side of the coin) the ferocious sexual intensity of most Aries Moon women.
There are a few character things worth noting from Midpoints. In particular, Venus is within 1° of Saturn/Neptune. That's pretty screwed for Venus! Similarly, for both the emotional and cinematic impact, Neptune is only 0°16' from Venus/Mars, and also hitting Moon/Saturn, and Mars/Uranus. Just add that one up!
Ne = Ve/Ma = Mo/Sa = Ma/Ur
Finally, Mars is at Moon/Neptune.
There are a few character things worth noting from Midpoints. In particular, Venus is within 1° of Saturn/Neptune. That's pretty screwed for Venus! Similarly, for both the emotional and cinematic impact, Neptune is only 0°16' from Venus/Mars, and also hitting Moon/Saturn, and Mars/Uranus. Just add that one up!
Finally, Mars is at Moon/Neptune.
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SteveS wrote:Jim wrote:I totally agree with this point. I was born with a Venus-Uranus square and the way this aspect manifested in my life was through erotica with opium. My buddies from the Viet Nam war smuggled large amounts of weed saturated in opium (OJ’s-- opium joints) back into the US. When their tour ended and they arrived home, they gave me large amounts of OJ,s and my dating (Venus) sexual experience went to the Moon smoking OJ,s! Later, women were banging on my dorm door offering me 10.00 for one OJ—not to smoke with me but with their boyfriends. My girl friend told other girls on campus about OJ’s, and word of mouth spread like a wildfire—how great sex was on opium. But you must understand—this was in a time period when there was a sexual revolution taking place across college campuses—women were burning their bras and old worn-out sexual thinking was shattered with new Uranus-Pluto vibes--a huge sexual revolution was occuring on the planet. Linda Lovelace was in the same time period. Venus-Uranus aspects can act as a wonderful benefic sexual aid, regardless how the sex is experienced, even without drugs. However, opium is well known as a tremendous erotic drug. I smoked OJ’s for 12 years and when the opium ran out-- my sex life waned. O well, I still have great memories about those days—the music and sex were out of this world! It all depends on the immediate environment and kinds of people in one’s environment how one would/could experience prominent Venus-Uranus aspects, and it does not necessarily mean it would manifest with sex or in a malefic manner—many other factors are involved.First, yes, I totally agree with you that Venus-Uranus isn't inherently violent or coercive (it might be incidentally at times, but not inherently).
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