Timing 'outstanding incidents' with SLR's

[Jim Eshelman]

Nov 11, 2016

The following is an excellent example how I allow SLR’s to time possible future ‘outstanding incidents’ in one’s life.

A month ago, a close friend called and asked to visit consulting with an important timing matter about something that had just happened to him (meeting with a specialized attorney) pertaining to a possible grave legal matter pertaining to his business. He had to make a 5-hour drive to my House—so I knew this matter had become a huge worry in his life. I can’t divulge all the details about this legal matter, but I can say it has the potential to cost he and his partners serious $, with the potential to cost him his entire life savings, which I guess is substantial knowing the success of his business.

When my friend arrived, he asked me if I could possibly determine the time frame when the worst would happen to him pertaining to this possible grave legal matter. I asked him to tell me what the attorney said about how long it may take to resolve this legal matter, and he said the attorney said—"usually months." Since this matter had to do with my friend career, goals/objectives, the first thing I did was to look at transits to his natal and relocated MC. His Natal MC is 28,15 Scorpio and residing MC 27, 24 Scorpio. His Natal Moon 24,05 Scorpio and Natal Jupiter 22,45 Scorpio (his business success aspect). Note in 2017 t. Saturn is going to partile conjunct all the above factors in the entire year for 2017, with t. Saturn exactly conjuncting both Natal & Residing MC’s 3 separate times in 2017. So, we can definitely see a tremendous Saturnian worrying/inhibiting transit for 2017, and believe me---he is now very worried about this legal matter. My friend said it was imperative for him to have a good idea (within a month) WHEN the worst time would occur pertaining to this legal matter. (to be continued in next post.)

[Jim Eshelman]

Continued from previous post.
Since we know this Saturn transit will be hammering my friend for most of 2017, WHEN will this possible grave legal matter have very high % manifesting in a worst matter time frame?

As I have repeatedly posted on this forum, the most valuable astrological axiom pertaining to TIMING, I have learned in my entire astrological life comes from Jim’s teachings where he sates with Return Charts:

It is when angularity and aspect partility coincide that outstanding incidents are most likely to come about.

The above timing axiom has served me in a most valuable way—both in my personal life and in the life of my friends and business associates. Below are the only two SLR’s in all of 2017 which conforms to Jim’s above teaching axiom with Return Charts, relative to my friends life.

Where the two charts below say 'Natal'--they are actually my friend's SLR's.

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[Jim Eshelman]

As we can see, my friend has two successive SLR’ (Oct 23rd, Nov 20) in 2017 which feature malefic symbolism which conforms to Jim’s words in the above quote. His 0ct 23rd SLR features Mundo Moon partile cnj SLR DSC holding a cnj with Saturn. Fagan said (paraphrasing) any tight cnj in the immediate foreground of a Return Chart which contained a midpoint was a very potent aspect. In my friend’s Oct 23rd SLR Moon/Saturn = DSC---partile.

*** But it is my friend’s Nov 20th SLR which caught my attention. This SLR features a rare paran with Mars partile 90 Pluto. Listen to what Bradley wrote about Mars-Pluto when angular in a Return Chart:

Swift meting out of justice is the surest token of strong aspects between Mars and Pluto. Suspense, as tense as a serial chapter—ending, clutches the native’s senses sometime during the period covered by the chart. This combination is essentially criminogenic, and the native may perpetuate misdeeds for which retribution follows swiftly and mercilessly.

My friend first wanted my astro opinions as to probability he would lose a legal battle if it developed, and then he told me if there was high probability I deemed he would lose, he said it was critical for him to know within a month—WHEN he would lose. I told him he would know for sure he would lose sometime between Nov 20 and Dec 17 2017. But then I told him this would only develop if he was still involved in a legal matter beginning in Oct 2017. Obviously with his 'outstanding incident' Moon-Saturn SLR in Oct, he will be able to feel the outcome no matter what the situation. My friend came to me wanting to be in a position of 'knowing' something about a possible malefic situation with his future, and Sidereal Astrology put my friend in an excellent position to gauge a possible legal situation--if it develops full bloom for his future. I will try to remember to update.

I can’t stress how important it is for the Sidereal Astrologer to secure some type of astro program which allows you to quickly calculate all your SLR’s in a solar year—looking for SLR’s which conforms to Jim’s above words. With the correct astro program, this procedure can be accomplished in 1 minute time and if you have your program customized with certain orb aspects—you will quickly be able to identify an ‘outstanding incident’ SLR for your life or your friends/client’s life. Believe me—when you start identifying the time for ‘outstanding incidents’ in your client’s life—that client will consult with you for his/your entire life.

[Jim Eshelman]

I can’t stress how important it is for the Sidereal Astrologer to secure some type of astro program which allows you to quickly calculate all your SLR’s in a solar year—looking for SLR’s which conforms to Jim’s above words. With the correct astro program, this procedure can be accomplished in 1 minute time and if you have your program customized with certain orb aspects—you will quickly be able to identify an ‘outstanding incident’ SLR for your life or your friends/client’s life.

People who can't afford the $360 cost of Solar Fire are pretty limited in good programs that accurately cast sidereal charts. I urge anyone who wants to purchase a program to MAKE SURE it will accurately do Sidereal charts, especially solars. You don't want a program that calculates a return in the tropical zodiac and then just subtracts the SVP and adds 30° to get a "sidereal" chart.

For people who use Astro.com, you can calculate all the SLRs for a year in a few minutes by editing the URL in the location bar of your browser.
The URL looks something like this:
http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?lang ... bp=65&ast=
You'll likely only see part of it and will have to scroll to see the rest. Look for a section like this:
35&mth=at&sday=11&smon=11&syr=2016&hsy=3&zodiac=
Look closer. See the sday=11& ? That's the day setting in the chart you cast. Similarly the smon=11 and syr=2016 are the month and year settings.
If you want to do a whole years worth of lunar returns, cast the first one, then edit the URL to change the date for the other 12. You'll eventually have to change the syr= figure to get the January chart. Sometimes (usually once a year) just editing the smon= figure will skip a lunar. Go back to the previous month and edit the sday= figure to get the lunar you missed and you'll be able to get the rest by editing just the month.
If you want a decade of solars, just edit the syr=.

I know this will be way too much for some of us, and insultingly obvious to others. But the point is, if you can do this you don't have to have Solar Fire to get a years worth of lunars as Steve recommends, and while not as quick and easy as in Solar Fire, it will take only a few minutes. If you can't do it, you can just use the back button to go back to the entry form and change the date there. Not as fast, just as good.

Good points JSAD, thanks.

[Jim Eshelman]

Update:

My close friend's business problems continues to slowly grow with t. Saturn hitting his natal MC. As long as I see his business problems growing, I think these business problems will peak in Oct with his posted 'outstanding incident' Oct SLR in this thread. I will continue to update.

[Jim Eshelman]

For teaching/learning purposes.
I have just calculated all my SLR’s for my 2017 solar year, which took one minute of time with Solarfire. I always look for ‘outstanding incidents’ SLR’s, and when isolated I post them on my office wall, and then when the TIME arrives for these ‘outstanding incidents’ SLR, I consciously exercise my laser focus, becoming acutely aware of my immediate environments for these time periods. I want to be able to pour my full conscious abilities into these time periods. There are five ‘outstanding incident’ SLR’S which is an abnormal amount. Some are more potentially aspected than others.
Sept 25, 20117 Mundo SLR:
Note the very rare angular Jup-Ur-Pl t-square. Ebertin says about this combo:

An unusual striving for knowledge and understanding, a strong awareness of purpose or of objective in life, a far seeing creative activity. A sudden change in financial circumstances.

I will post how this SLR manifested, as it unfolds.

[Jim Eshelman]

We always need to pay special attention to any Solunar involving tight/partile aspects to our lights. This SLR features Neptune partile cnj West Point, tightly squaring (almost partile) my n. foreground Moon. Definitely not a good time to expect any possible major plans to manifest in an objectively manner. I will definitely not be gambling during this period, and my guard will be up with any parties (West Point) approaching me about any business dealings. But, maybe, a good time to go to a beach and lay out near the Sea (Neptune), and reflect on things going on in my life. Also Moon partile 60 Venus for some possible minor social effects. Jim offers links to Bradley’s excellent work with Solunars for foreground/angular planets: [chart expired]

[Jim Eshelman]

Maybe that Neptune time will be good to just lay by the beach, have lots of coctails and listen to a lot of music and go to art museums... find the positive expressions of Neptune But then again maybe you will have some kind of revelation, as in psychic insights.

That Jup-Ur/Pluto looks good, maybe some travelling for gambling wins

Excellent observation. When I pointed out this SLR to my wife, she immediately said--get a psychic reading. Ebertin writes for Moon-Neptune:

Mediums, people connected with psychic phenomena and investigation...

[magicstar]

Your stories are always so useful to me Steve. You are a great storyteller. Thank you

For anyone wanting to calculate their SLR, here is the best website that I have found. The timing is correct and you can choose any planet you wish to create a return chart.

https://horoscopes.astro-seek.com/calcu ... l-tracker/

Now I have a question related to SLR - I do have MARS Conjunct my ASC in my SLR in September of 2023. Does it work to try to get away to avoid having MARS foreground for a month? Or that only works for SSR?

Thank you

[SteveS]

MagicStar wrote & asked:

Now I have a question related to SLR - I do have MARS Conjunct my ASC in my SLR in September of 2023. Does it work to try to get away to avoid having MARS foreground for a month? Or that only works for SSR?

I do not have much personal experience relocating return charts, both the SLR & SSR, except for very short term time frames for fun recreational activity with benefic planets on the return angles, but I know these type relocations work for fun/recreational stuff.

In your case your Sept 25 SLR has Mars in mundo 5,59 from the SLR ASC, 1,46 conjunct your Natal Pluto. But Mars is not close enough to the SLR ASC for me to be overly concerned with malefic Mars action. BUT, what you need to realize in this case: transiting Mars which is the same as SLR Mars is partile conjunct your Natal East Point, a very important auxiliary angle 1,46 conjunct your Natal Pluto---so this means even if you did relocate your SLR---you would still feel the effects of this Mars transit to your Natal Chart because it is angular conjuncting your Natal Pluto. But you must realize that you have experience this same Mars transit to your Natal many times in your life. So, No, I would not consider relocating your Sept 25 SLR unless you desire to relocate for fun/recreational angular SLR planets that makes practical sense.

Go to the below link by Jim and read the tones of Mars-Pluto combos, and then be very aware of what is going on in your immediate environment near the time when your Sept 25 SLR begins.

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=182#p1231

Most all of my Mars-Pluto cycles in my life have put me to some kind of difficult task/work, which requires me to exert more energies, both mental or physical depending on the task at hand for a good ending result. If you find yourself involved in a physical task just be more careful. If you find yourself in a dangerous “immediate environment” at the beginning of your Sept 25 SLR---be extra careful/cautious with this Mars-Pluto combo. Mars-Pluto has to do with certain type of "forces" depending on what is going on in your immediate environment.

[Jim Eshelman]

Now I have a question related to SLR - I do have MARS Conjunct my ASC in my SLR in September of 2023. Does it work to try to get away to avoid having MARS foreground for a month? Or that only works for SSR?

My experience - fro9m hindsight investigation of major events to living my own SLRs in different locations - is that lunar returns are more flexible and adaptable and do shift with location during the month. That means that both the location where the return sets up and the location where you are later in the month (e.g., back home) are valid.

I can't even really say that one is more important than the other. I'm tempted to say that the original location is more important but I can't guarantee it. I have examples of, say, a transiting Mars-Neptune aspect to natal Moon on angles at home in LA, travelling for the SLR to eastern Arizona to get them out of the foreground and put Jupiter within a minute or two of an angle, then returning home to the Moon-Mars-Neptune and ended up with a fundamentally good month (but an undercurrent of aggravation and irritation at home). OTOH (to pick a famous example), we've probably all seen Pres. Kennedy's final SLR which was stunningly violent for Dallas - unequivocally violent. In Washington, it had set up with Jupiter-Pluto angular, presumably for political overthrow IMHO; but the personal sense of violence was the Mars-Uranus-Pluto (etc.) in Dallas.

One of the best months of my life - the one in which (among other things) I travelled cross-country for an important interaction with the future love of my life and returned home finding myself utterly smitten and unable to get her out of my mind, began in LA with an SLR with transiting Venus on IC, which became Sun on natal Venus-Pluto at the other location. Then, while there, I had a Demi-SLR with natal Venus rising and a Sun-Uranus opposition foreground, that, when I returned home to LA, had a Venus-Jupiter conjunction on natal Pluto rising. All four charts told the story: I can't say one location was better than the other.

[Jim Eshelman]

My best practical advice, then, is this: Assume that both are valid. This means that (unlike the SSR), the reason is not to get away from the undesirable chart at home but, rather, to pair it with an equally powerful concurrent chart.

Because (unlike the SSR) both locations are important, this has two practical implications:

1. Simply getting away from the undesirable angularity is ineffective: You then have one bad SLR and one "doesn't say anything" SLR. Instead, you have to set up the SLR where there is a desirable angularity - going TO something, rather than just away from something.

2. You want the chosen setup location to have VERY STRONG positive indications so that it entirely overwhelms the undesirable (home) chart. I recommend having the selected benefics within 5', and in no case (if possible) more than 10', from the angles.

[magicstar]

In your case your Sept 25 SLR has Mars in mundo 5,59 from the SLR ASC, 1,46 conjunct your Natal Pluto. But Mars is not close enough to the SLR ASC for me to be overly concerned with malefic Mars action. BUT, what you need to realize in this case: transiting Mars which is the same as SLR Mars is partile conjunct your Natal East Point, a very important auxiliary angle 1,46 conjunct your Natal Pluto---so this means even if you did relocate your SLR---you would still feel the effects of this Mars transit to your Natal Chart because it is angular conjuncting your Natal Pluto. But you must realize that you have experience this same Mars transit to your Natal many times in your life. So, No, I would not consider relocating your Sept 25 SLR unless you desire to relocate for fun/recreational angular SLR planets that makes practical sense.

As always you are right Steve! Reading through the forum, I noticed you said you get your 13 SLR at once so I kind of tried doing that, and the one on Sept 25, is the one I was referring too. Plus your words reminded me that I was actually eagerly waiting for this MARS cycle since it SQUARES my MC and hopefully will fire off my d. VE=MC that its due to be exact on October 27th 2023. So thank you for the reminder.

Go to the below link by Jim and read the tones of Mars-Pluto combos, and then be very aware of what is going on in your immediate environment near the time when your Sept 25 SLR begins.

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=182#p1231

Great! Thank you

Most all of my Mars-Pluto cycles in my life have put me to some kind of difficult task/work, which requires me to exert more energies, both mental or physical depending on the task at hand for a good ending result. If you find yourself involved in a physical task just be more careful. If you find yourself in a dangerous “immediate environment” at the beginning of your Sept 25 SLR---be extra careful/cautious with this Mars-Pluto combo. Mars-Pluto has to do with certain type of "forces" depending on what is going on in your immediate environment.

Ok. I will follow your advice Steve Plus looking at my life development- having this MARS warrior might be exactly what I need under my belt

[magicstar]

My experience - from hindsight investigation of major events to living my own SLRs in different locations - is that lunar returns are more flexible and adaptable and do shift with location during the month. That means that both the location where the return sets up and the location where you are later in the month (e.g., back home) are valid.

This is very interesting Jim. Thank you. So the SLR could be considered as the always changing and never static charts. It’s maleable and changes depending on the location

I can't even really say that one is more important than the other. I'm tempted to say that the original location is more important but I can't guarantee it. I have examples of, say, a transiting Mars-Neptune aspect to natal Moon on angles at home in LA, travelling for the SLR to eastern Arizona to get them out of the foreground and put Jupiter within a minute or two of an angle, then returning home to the Moon-Mars-Neptune and ended up with a fundamentally good month (but an undercurrent of aggravation and irritation at home). OTOH (to pick a famous example), we've probably all seen Pres. Kennedy's final SLR which was stunningly violent for Dallas - unequivocally violent. In Washington, it had set up with Jupiter-Pluto angular, presumably for political overthrow IMHO; but the personal sense of violence was the Mars-Uranus-Pluto (etc.) in Dallas.

This is fascinating! I am kind of new to return charts and specially to SLR. So I appreciate your teachings Jim.

One of the best months of my life - the one in which (among other things) I travelled cross-country for an important interaction with the future love of my life and returned home finding myself utterly smitten and unable to get her out of my mind, began in LA with an SLR with transiting Venus on IC, which became Sun on natal Venus-Pluto at the other location. Then, while there, I had a Demi-SLR with natal Venus rising and a Sun-Uranus opposition foreground, that, when I returned home to LA, had a Venus-Jupiter conjunction on natal Pluto rising. All four charts told the story: I can't say one location was better than the other.

Awww! So cute of a story! This will make a great essay Jim…

[magicstar]

My best practical advice, then, is this: Assume that both are valid. This means that (unlike the SSR), the reason is not to get away from the undesirable chart at home but, rather, to pair it with an equally powerful concurrent chart.

Because (unlike the SSR) both locations are important, this has two practical implications:

1. Simply getting away from the undesirable angularity is ineffective: You then have one bad SLR and one "doesn't say anything" SLR. Instead, you have to set up the SLR where there is a desirable angularity - going TO something, rather than just away from something.

2. You want the chosen setup location to have VERY STRONG positive indications so that it entirely overwhelms the undesirable (home) chart. I recommend having the selected benefics within 5', and in no case (if possible) more than 10', from the angles.

This information is very useful Jim. Please consider adding it to the SLR interpretation protocol, because I was looking for it and since I didn’t find it I asked you guys yesterday.

After I posted my question I found a post where you shared that Marion was having a very malefic SLR and although you not necessarily recommend going away for a SLR, in this case you did because it was really bad.