Directions and composite charts for relocation.

[Arena]

I do remember having raised this topic/issue before, but not sure if it's been lost somewhere in another thread. This is a topic I've often wondered about. And since I have Uranus so tightly squaring my MC/IC I always keep thinking about relocation and travels. It is such a strong part of my makeup.

I've been looking at the world map again. I'm well positioned for my next SSR. But now I wonder if I should explore more relocations. I now have dir. Jupiter opposing my r. Mercury, so that is a very good aspect. Also, dir. Venus is between my r. Sun and Mer. Those should be good for me as an artist, both creatively and success for selling. But if I go for an angular Mercury somewhere in the world, to emphasise this aspect, it also means that my r. Moon is in the picture and it has dir. Pluto opposing it. So maybe not the best energy.

Another one now is dir. Sun sq. r. Jup-Ven. So perhaps chasing this aspect would be more beneficial now. I'm looking to move the Ven-Jup closer to my angles and have Saturn safely out of the picture.

A recent funny "coincidence" happened. We were gifted a book about Papa New Guinea and encouraged to visit. I never even have considered going there. I looked it up on the world map in SF and I see my Ven-Jup runs straight through there on the MC/IC. I'm considering it.

I believe we need to consider the directed planets as well as composite charts when we relocate an individual or a couple.

I also consider my partner and I see he has dir. Jup right on his Nnode and square his MC. Should be good for beneficial relationships as Steve has demonstrated. I've been looking for places to bring his Sun-Mars and Jup to the MC/IC, but now I see that dir. Pluto is conjunct this aspect, so I'm not sure it's a good choice right now. Perhaps looking for a place with his Nnode on angle is much better. Too bad he has his r. Saturn very close by as well. Papa New Guinea falls right between his Moon and Venus lines on IC. He could very well feel good there.

I now always look at what happens to our composite chart when both our natals have been relocated. Our composite is great when it comes to my Ven-Jup aspect on the composite angles. What will that mean for our composite chart to relocate? I did want to go to Portugal, which has my Nnode through it on the MC as well as my Moon and Sun-Mer acting on the angles. However, it has our composite Uranus come to the DSC which I think may be detrimental for the stability of a relationship. Portugal does also have composite Jupiter close to the WP, which might help a lot - but the Uranus energy makes me doubt this relocation.

In Papa New Guinea we would have Neptune wide on the comp IC and Venus very wide in the 1st house close to ASC. I guess Neptune is in a safe place when on the IC - not as much trouble as on the other angles.

I checked out Bali as well, since both he and my daughter have excellent planetary positions over there. Our composite shows the Nnode on nadir (wider on IC) in Bali as well as the comp. Moon partile the WP (wider on DSC). Our composite Moon has a tight quintile aspect to comp. Venus as well as wide trine to comp. Jup.

Well well well, these were my contemplations for the day.
Have a good one!

[SteveS]

It appears to me Arena you have these possible relocations options pretty much figured out . Jim is the relocations expert on this forum—he may see other possibilities.

I have absolutely no experience wih Solar Arc Directions relocation possibilities.

[Jim Eshelman]

The one way I see Solar Arcs directions being relevant to relocation (and perhaps this is what you meant) is that both natal and local angles are relevant in directions. If you move or visit someplace while its local directed or natal angles make a contact, that's a valid contact.

Regarding composites and relocation, I roughly agree with you. I consider composites quite a weak influence, but their relocated angles have always seemed comparably important to the birthplace ones. For example, Marion's and my LA composite has angles within 2° of her luminaries, while the birthplace ones fall on my Sun and Jupiter-Uranus within a few minutes.

[SteveS]

FWIW, Noel Tyl from his book Solar Arcs says:

(Solar Arc) Calculations are made for the birthplace. Geography plays no role. Footnote 26 page 18.

I think back on my once in a lifetime Solar Arc hits with my Natal Angles, and I strongly feel there would have been no way I could have altered my angular Solar Arcs “fated” events by relocating my Natal Angles. In other words, even if I had moved to another location after my birth, I would have still encountered basically the same symbolic manifestations with my Solar Arc birth location angles Solar Arc hits. As far as Solar Arc manifested hits with relocated angles I have no experience with anyone in my files, so I can’t say with experience. Currently, I know of one person close to my life who 25 years ago moved to another far off location from her birth location. And, in a few months she will receive an exact Solar Arc Saturn to her Natal MC with her birth location angles. For sure, I can clearly see this d Saturn = MC symbolism manifesting in her life now building to a huge Saturn letdown peak as this direction approaches an exact conjunction. As things are already setting-up in her life now, this Solar Arc Saturn hit will probably become the worse time in her life, but TIME only knows for sure. Of all the methods I have examined with astrological methodology, Solar Arcs as the German Schools of Cosmobiology discovered are indeed the # 1 method for “co-determents of fate.” This is probably WHY Solar Arcs angular hits are known as the "most successful predictive system known in Astrology." When we combine major Solar Arc angular hits with the Sidereal Solar Return, we are able to see better/more confirming symbolism in most cases, IMHO.

[Jim Eshelman]

I think SAS have thst reputation from successful marketing and because you don't have to set up a separate chart. From narrow predictive accuracy (showing what will happen and when) SLRs run circles around them.

Nonetheless, SAs are important, I think.

I agree that you can't relocate to evade SA angle contacts. Thst wasn't what I meant to convey. I mean that Both natal and local angles are valid (probably equally valid). I'd love to be wrong about this since local SA Asc is now in orb of conjunct natal Saturn. However, from studying major epast events in people's lives, thr local SAs seem equL (or ABOUT equal?) to those for birthplace.

[SteveS]

Jim wrote:

I agree that you can't relocate to evade SA angle contacts. Thst wasn't what I meant to convey.

Jim, No way did I mean to imply anything about events with relocated Solar Arc angles, only that I have no experience with relocated Solar Arc angular hits. I only know based on my life of 76 years, Solar Arcs with Natal angular contacts have manifested "once in a lifetime" very important events for my entire life of 76 years. If any members out there has a very important "once in a lifetime" event with their relocated Natal Angles with Solar Arcs, please post for my learning.

[Arena]

What I actually meant in the first post was perhaps not so much the directed angles in relocation, but rather the new relocation angles in one's chart hitting a specific SA directed planet acting on another natal planet. I don't know if I'm clear enough. Like I mentioned above, my dir. Pluto is now partile opposite my natal Moon, but the aspect is nowhere near an angle where I'm living. But if I'd move somewhere where my natal Moon comes to the rel. angles, then perhaps the Plutonic affect would be felt even more. (Although I must admit that I can feel it massively already).

And perhaps the same applies to a positive SA aspect being formed to the natal chart, such as the dir. Jup being opposite my natal Mercury now... so it might be a good idea to bring Mercury to the foreground in a relocation place and get the beneficial aspect from Jupiter. Although it does not perfectly apply in my own case since my Mercury is actually square my Moon, so it would also be affected by the dir. Pluto.

But you get the idea?

[Jim Eshelman]

...my dir. Pluto is now partile opposite my natal Moon, but the aspect is nowhere near an angle where I'm living. But if I'd move somewhere where my natal Moon comes to the rel. angles, then perhaps the Plutonic affect would be felt even more. (Although I must admit that I can feel it massively already).

I think it would be stronger but for different reasons. It's not a matter of "bringing it to the foreground" but, rather, of adding another factor.

Because local angles (including directed local angles) are valid, if directed Pluto opposes natal Moon and you go where your relocated MC is exactly conjunct Moon (for example), then you are adding a new direction: directed Pluto to natal (local) MC. Of course it will be stronger if you have dPl-rMo AND dPl-rMC.

But, as you've observed, I don't think you need this to make the Pluto-Moon direction show strongly. It would show strongly on its own.

Samd with directed Jupiter opposite your Mercury: If you temporarily go where natal Mercury is on an angle then, in addition to dJu-rMe, you're (while there) adding dJu to natal (local) angle!

[SteveS]

Arena wrote:

Like I mentioned above, my dir. Pluto is now partile opposite my natal Moon, but the aspect is nowhere near an angle where I'm living. But if I'd move somewhere where my natal Moon comes to the rel. angles, then perhaps the Plutonic affect would be felt even more. (Although I must admit that I can feel it massively already).

Arena, you have my mind pondering this intriguing possibility . I have one person in my files who I have known for over 40 years. He was born in Flint Michigan and has spent years in other locations from the Pacific to the Atlantic. I will try and do a little research with his different locations to see if he actually was under an angular SA hit with one of his relocated locations. If so, I want to try and determine if a major “life development” occurred in his life with a relocated SA angular hit.

But, if I understand where you are coming from: You are saying you are now feeling “massively” your SA Pluto 180 your Natal Moon, but are wondering if you visited another location which would place your Natal Moon on a local angle---would you feel this Moon-Pluto effect more “massively”? I kinda of doubt it but like I said: It’s an “intriguing possibility.” I guess it all depends on the circumstances for you near term objectives of what is happening in your immediate environment now? Or can I enhance this Moon-Pluto direction more so by relocation to an angular hit?

For example, my reasoning for my doubts are: In the summer of 1970 at 22 years of age I fell in love for the first time in my live, married in Jan 1971. In the summer of 1970 my Solar Arc Moon was partile 90 my Natal Venus, par-excellent symbolism for falling in love, and a "once in lifetime" partile 90 directed aspect I doubt very seriously I could have relocated myself to another location where this Moon-Venus combo would fall on a relocated local angle and fell in love more so, Cupid had already pierced my heart . But, if you decide to experiment with this dPl-nMo to catch a local angle keep us informed .