Margot Robbie:
https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Robbie,_Margot
Jim, there is a rare phenomenon happening with Margot’s Movie “Barbie” worldwide. Will you do us the honor of reading her Natal and recent current SSR for LA when you have time.
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We were ALMOST on the same track: On the way home, I realized I should write about Gretta Gerwig (even without a time, I find her far more interesting than any actor). - But I'll take a look at Robbie as I get the chance.
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Margot Robbie is a Gemini-Libra. Wow. At the moment, I can't think of a luminary sign pair better suited to play Barbie! These give the impression - merely am impression, mind you, not the whole person - of being glib, bright, playful (a literal toy!), cute, sociable and mixing, with a head on her shoulders and a usually bright outlook on the world. Sun in Gemini signifies reason, play, and pluralism. Moon in Libra makes us think of magnetism, justice, and design.
That's only a start, though. There's much more going on here. Jupiter rising first catches our attention, but (though close) it's not the most angular: That falls to Saturn, within a degree of Descendant and minutes from square Mars. This is a business trio - something that highlights more Gemini-Libra traits (natural in business etc.). Frankly, it's pretty hard, gritty stuff. And then there is all the Mercury: Not only is Sun in Gemini, her closest aspect is a 0°13' Sun-Mercury mundane conjunction in Gemini. She is super-mercurial. Moon squares Mercury, too, within about half a degree, because Moon mundanely squares Sun-Mercury (Moon-Sun is only 0°20', her third-closest aspect after Sun-Mercury and Mars-Saturn).
So many strong planets... In fact, other than Pluto which doesn't quite make the foreground cutoff, every planet in her chart is strong somehow, by luminary dignity or angularity or luminary aspect. Of all of these, the four that score 100% of their maximum strength are Moon, sun, Mercury, and Saturn.
So, behind all the glib, playful, cosmetic beauty, Robbie is a tough cookie, hard worker, attuned to business and making things in a practical way while standing in the spotlight.
There are always hundreds of things to say about a natal chart, but in her case the most bells go off when I think about my recently completed chapter on wealth and prosperity: The most successful people have a mix of malefics and benefics strong in their charts because nothing leads more reliably to success than a mix of luck and hard work. This chart is strong on both.
Running down the wealth and prosperity checklist: Jupiter, Saturn, and Mars (the business trio) are the three most angular planets, an excellent sign of doing well in life through luck, persistence and prudence, and competitive force. Saturn is a bit stronger than Jupiter - more angular and better aspected (Jupiter, though within 4° of Ascendant, is in its detriment and afflicted by all three malefics - two of them closely - while Saturn is 0°44' from an angle with mixed aspects). The strength of Mars alone makes it likely that she's great at making money, and the strong Jupiter makes that more likely; but with Saturn most angular, she's even better at holding onto it.
Jupiter's closest aspects are to Saturn and Mars, with Neptune and Pluto a little wider, and Moon too wide to worry about. These tell us how she is likely to make her money. Jupiter-Saturn works for it and earns it (supporting the overall "work hard" tone of the chart): success through patient industry. She would be expected to create a product and sell it well (for entertainers, the product is themselves). She's sensible with finances and might prosper through real estate. Mars-Jupiter by itself places little emphasis on retaining wealth that is earned (something her dominant Saturn contradicts): The wealthy examples usually acquire it from competition or combat requiring strong ambition pursued with dedication. A little Pluto and Neptune add touches I don't need to detail.
Mercury strong - and hers is very strong! - is the fourth planet that turns the Business Trio into a Business Quartet. It shows business knack, a natural for commerce (she knows how to sell stuff), probably handling well the business side of any career. Her 0°13' Venus-Saturn octile is another mark of possibly great wealth (and paying a heavy personal price for it).
That's one side of her - a very strong side of her.
I didn't mention, except in passing, one of her most important aspects: partile Moon square Sun. This gives such physical and psychological vitality, such psychological bias toward success, that it gives upbeat interpretations to such things as the exactly angular Saturn. She strong, commanding, runs things. I think we're going to see her more in the business, producing, directing, managing side of entertainment than the acting side as time passes.
She has an important Mercury-Uranus opposition, too, which ties into both luminaries: She thinks outside the box, is quite quick and insightful. We could spend pages discussing only the lunar side of her: the mingling of her seven Moon aspects is a tale in itself. (Her Sun is similar though wholly engulfed in that powerful, illuminated Mercury-Gemini mix.)
Mercury is great: Foreground, dignified, partile aspect to both luminaries, close aspect to Uranus and moderate, creative aspects to Neptune and Mars.
Venus is a strange "dumb note" in her chart. It's important as her Moon sign ruler. It's in its own sign, Taurus. But it has no major aspects and that one close sesqui-square to Saturn which will have the usual Venus-Saturn expressions. Otherwise, it's essentially left out of the rest of the chart. Given how hard-working she is with her only Venus aspect being a "sacrifice pleasure to duty" aspect, work is likely to win out over personal wishes - to the detriment of her personal life.
I'd hire her to run more or less any operation, especially if it was public facing and product-oriented.
That's only a start, though. There's much more going on here. Jupiter rising first catches our attention, but (though close) it's not the most angular: That falls to Saturn, within a degree of Descendant and minutes from square Mars. This is a business trio - something that highlights more Gemini-Libra traits (natural in business etc.). Frankly, it's pretty hard, gritty stuff. And then there is all the Mercury: Not only is Sun in Gemini, her closest aspect is a 0°13' Sun-Mercury mundane conjunction in Gemini. She is super-mercurial. Moon squares Mercury, too, within about half a degree, because Moon mundanely squares Sun-Mercury (Moon-Sun is only 0°20', her third-closest aspect after Sun-Mercury and Mars-Saturn).
So many strong planets... In fact, other than Pluto which doesn't quite make the foreground cutoff, every planet in her chart is strong somehow, by luminary dignity or angularity or luminary aspect. Of all of these, the four that score 100% of their maximum strength are Moon, sun, Mercury, and Saturn.
So, behind all the glib, playful, cosmetic beauty, Robbie is a tough cookie, hard worker, attuned to business and making things in a practical way while standing in the spotlight.
There are always hundreds of things to say about a natal chart, but in her case the most bells go off when I think about my recently completed chapter on wealth and prosperity: The most successful people have a mix of malefics and benefics strong in their charts because nothing leads more reliably to success than a mix of luck and hard work. This chart is strong on both.
Running down the wealth and prosperity checklist: Jupiter, Saturn, and Mars (the business trio) are the three most angular planets, an excellent sign of doing well in life through luck, persistence and prudence, and competitive force. Saturn is a bit stronger than Jupiter - more angular and better aspected (Jupiter, though within 4° of Ascendant, is in its detriment and afflicted by all three malefics - two of them closely - while Saturn is 0°44' from an angle with mixed aspects). The strength of Mars alone makes it likely that she's great at making money, and the strong Jupiter makes that more likely; but with Saturn most angular, she's even better at holding onto it.
Jupiter's closest aspects are to Saturn and Mars, with Neptune and Pluto a little wider, and Moon too wide to worry about. These tell us how she is likely to make her money. Jupiter-Saturn works for it and earns it (supporting the overall "work hard" tone of the chart): success through patient industry. She would be expected to create a product and sell it well (for entertainers, the product is themselves). She's sensible with finances and might prosper through real estate. Mars-Jupiter by itself places little emphasis on retaining wealth that is earned (something her dominant Saturn contradicts): The wealthy examples usually acquire it from competition or combat requiring strong ambition pursued with dedication. A little Pluto and Neptune add touches I don't need to detail.
Mercury strong - and hers is very strong! - is the fourth planet that turns the Business Trio into a Business Quartet. It shows business knack, a natural for commerce (she knows how to sell stuff), probably handling well the business side of any career. Her 0°13' Venus-Saturn octile is another mark of possibly great wealth (and paying a heavy personal price for it).
That's one side of her - a very strong side of her.
I didn't mention, except in passing, one of her most important aspects: partile Moon square Sun. This gives such physical and psychological vitality, such psychological bias toward success, that it gives upbeat interpretations to such things as the exactly angular Saturn. She strong, commanding, runs things. I think we're going to see her more in the business, producing, directing, managing side of entertainment than the acting side as time passes.
She has an important Mercury-Uranus opposition, too, which ties into both luminaries: She thinks outside the box, is quite quick and insightful. We could spend pages discussing only the lunar side of her: the mingling of her seven Moon aspects is a tale in itself. (Her Sun is similar though wholly engulfed in that powerful, illuminated Mercury-Gemini mix.)
Mercury is great: Foreground, dignified, partile aspect to both luminaries, close aspect to Uranus and moderate, creative aspects to Neptune and Mars.
Venus is a strange "dumb note" in her chart. It's important as her Moon sign ruler. It's in its own sign, Taurus. But it has no major aspects and that one close sesqui-square to Saturn which will have the usual Venus-Saturn expressions. Otherwise, it's essentially left out of the rest of the chart. Given how hard-working she is with her only Venus aspect being a "sacrifice pleasure to duty" aspect, work is likely to win out over personal wishes - to the detriment of her personal life.
I'd hire her to run more or less any operation, especially if it was public facing and product-oriented.
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Re: Margot Robbie
Robbie is from Australia. Barbie was shot in London. She lived in London a while but in recent years has lived in Venice, CA. The main feature of her chart for Venice is that her Moon closely rises. In London, though, she is the Barbiest she could be: Her natally minimalized Venus is conjunct IC!
I'm sure Steve would like me to talk about her solar arc directions. She has a couple of very interesting ones. First, today (within a few days of her great movie success worldwide playing one of the grandest Venus emblems of modern times) her directed Venus is at 15°08;' Gemini within 0°03' of natal Sun. Second, directed Uranus is half a degree shy of square her natal MC.
She's also primed to get a lot of spotlight attention with progressed Moon still within 1° of opposite natal Sun (though I think she has some sour personal after-effects with Moon's progressions over the next several months plus a forming progressed Mars-Pluto opposition).
But, as always, we're most interested in her transits and how they precipitate into her solunar returns. Transits show the primary unfolding story of our lives. BTW, before getting into her personal transits, notice that the biggest box office weekend in years occurred exactly with a transiting Jupiter-Neptune semi-square in space. Her literal transits show Jupiter crossing her MC over the last few weeks as buzz has built for the movie.
The problem with tracking her returns, though, is I don't know where she was at different times. Her last SSR was in July 2022. Filming of Barbie began March 2022 and was wrapped on July 15, 2022 according to Wikipedia's page on the movie. I'm going to assume she was there until the end. I said before that she filmed in London, but the studios were actually in Watford (nearly the same).
Calculating her SSR for July 21, 2022, 2:32:12 UT, Watford, UK, we get a wonderful surprise, suggesting a crazy-good year:
t Jupiter 0°07' before Zenith
r Moon 0°11' before Asc
r Uranus 1°18' past Dsc
t Venus 2°51' past Ascendant
Lesser angularities by natal Venus and Neptune
SSR Moon squares solar Mercury and natal Mars. The fully foreground aspects are:
t Venus co r Venus 1°20' M
t Jupiter sq r Uranus 1°25'
t Venus op r Uranus 1°34' M
Of course, since then she's had another birthday. Where was she July 2? The actors' strike began after that, so I think she was on promotional tour. Ah, I found it! (Woohoo!) She celebrated her 33rd birthday on stage with Gretta Gerwig and America Ferrera in Seoul, South Korea while promoting the movie.
It's a happy but not necessarily extraordinary chart. Moon square Neptune could go various ways. Transiting Neptune is the most angular planet (1°04' from IC) with natal Venus about 3° out and a little Moon.
I can't find where she was last weekend. The stars were in LA July 9, then on the road through her birthday. Actors have been on strike so she isn't making promotional appearances. The SLR July 16 for Venice really sucks and I doubt she was there. (I mean, it's REALLY bad.) I can't narrow it any further without that information.
I'm sure Steve would like me to talk about her solar arc directions. She has a couple of very interesting ones. First, today (within a few days of her great movie success worldwide playing one of the grandest Venus emblems of modern times) her directed Venus is at 15°08;' Gemini within 0°03' of natal Sun. Second, directed Uranus is half a degree shy of square her natal MC.
She's also primed to get a lot of spotlight attention with progressed Moon still within 1° of opposite natal Sun (though I think she has some sour personal after-effects with Moon's progressions over the next several months plus a forming progressed Mars-Pluto opposition).
But, as always, we're most interested in her transits and how they precipitate into her solunar returns. Transits show the primary unfolding story of our lives. BTW, before getting into her personal transits, notice that the biggest box office weekend in years occurred exactly with a transiting Jupiter-Neptune semi-square in space. Her literal transits show Jupiter crossing her MC over the last few weeks as buzz has built for the movie.
The problem with tracking her returns, though, is I don't know where she was at different times. Her last SSR was in July 2022. Filming of Barbie began March 2022 and was wrapped on July 15, 2022 according to Wikipedia's page on the movie. I'm going to assume she was there until the end. I said before that she filmed in London, but the studios were actually in Watford (nearly the same).
Calculating her SSR for July 21, 2022, 2:32:12 UT, Watford, UK, we get a wonderful surprise, suggesting a crazy-good year:
t Jupiter 0°07' before Zenith
r Moon 0°11' before Asc
r Uranus 1°18' past Dsc
t Venus 2°51' past Ascendant
Lesser angularities by natal Venus and Neptune
SSR Moon squares solar Mercury and natal Mars. The fully foreground aspects are:
t Venus co r Venus 1°20' M
t Jupiter sq r Uranus 1°25'
t Venus op r Uranus 1°34' M
Of course, since then she's had another birthday. Where was she July 2? The actors' strike began after that, so I think she was on promotional tour. Ah, I found it! (Woohoo!) She celebrated her 33rd birthday on stage with Gretta Gerwig and America Ferrera in Seoul, South Korea while promoting the movie.
It's a happy but not necessarily extraordinary chart. Moon square Neptune could go various ways. Transiting Neptune is the most angular planet (1°04' from IC) with natal Venus about 3° out and a little Moon.
I can't find where she was last weekend. The stars were in LA July 9, then on the road through her birthday. Actors have been on strike so she isn't making promotional appearances. The SLR July 16 for Venice really sucks and I doubt she was there. (I mean, it's REALLY bad.) I can't narrow it any further without that information.
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Re: Margot Robbie
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I can’t help to notice Margot’s LA SSR reflecting so much benefic symbolism. Hollywood is in LA and Margot is a Hollywood Star, the most popular Hollywood actress even before the release of Barbie. Let’s start by looking at her Natal Moon-Jupiter Paran falling on her LA SSR DSC & IC, this can’t be a coincidence IMHO.
Margot’s LA SSR (inside wheel) with her Natal (outside wheel) showing her Natal Moon-Jupiter forming a most benefic Paran with her Natal Libra Moon on her LA SSR DSC and her Natal Jupiter on SSR IC.
Margot’s LA SSR (inside wheel) with her Natal (outside wheel)
https://ibb.co/PYRzxnB
This Moon-Jupiter Natal Paran forming with her LA SSR is a par-excellent example for Fagan’s following words:
Also very important to note Margot’s most angular planet in her LA SSR is angular SSR Jupiter partile conjunct her Natal MC. Her movie is well on the way of grossing over a billion $ worldwide and has already in only 4 days playing time grossed over 400 million $, this is frigging amazing by Hollywood standards, it could break all-time records. With all of this most potent Jupiter in her LA SSR it would not surprise me if Margot at least is nominated for an Academy Award for best actress. Donald Bradley recognized Moon-Jupiter symbolism in political candidates return charts as par-excellent symbolism for winning elections. Could Margot win the Academy Award for best actress? TIME will tell.
Also very important to note for Margot's 2023 LA SSR:
Margot’s mundo 2023 LA SSR showing the only two partile aspects of Moon partile 90 Venus and Sun partile 90 Neptune. Remember, mundo partile aspects are very sensitive for calculation by locational astrology. The make believe fantasy of Margot’s starring role in the movie “Barbie” is well symbolized by the mundo partile 90 of Sun-Neptune. And Margot playing the role of the most beautiful (beauty) doll Barbie is par-excellent symbolism for the mundo partile 90 of Moon-Venus, as well as a very benefic harmony for Moon-Venus in her new solar year.
Margot’s Mundo 2023 LA SSR:
https://ibb.co/wwgNNth
Next, I will sight the important symbolism I see in Margot's Natal.
Not really Jim, I see mostly Sidereal Astrology stuff with her Natal and LA SSR, even though she was in Seoul when her 2023 SSR set-up. But, since the huge unexpected success of Barbie is now occurring, I think it is definitely her LA SSR which is reflecting this phenomenon worldwide success of Barbie for Margot. The actors/actress strike has planted Margot at her Venice LA residence. Yes, her d Venus = Sun is indeed apt symbolism for her role and success with Barbie, but I see it secondary to her 2023 LA SSR.I'm sure Steve would like me to talk about her solar arc directions.
I can’t help to notice Margot’s LA SSR reflecting so much benefic symbolism. Hollywood is in LA and Margot is a Hollywood Star, the most popular Hollywood actress even before the release of Barbie. Let’s start by looking at her Natal Moon-Jupiter Paran falling on her LA SSR DSC & IC, this can’t be a coincidence IMHO.
Margot’s LA SSR (inside wheel) with her Natal (outside wheel) showing her Natal Moon-Jupiter forming a most benefic Paran with her Natal Libra Moon on her LA SSR DSC and her Natal Jupiter on SSR IC.
Margot’s LA SSR (inside wheel) with her Natal (outside wheel)
https://ibb.co/PYRzxnB
This Moon-Jupiter Natal Paran forming with her LA SSR is a par-excellent example for Fagan’s following words:
We can clearly see here Margot is residing at the right place at the right time in her main residence (LA) for her 2023 SSR with this reactionary Moon-Jupiter Paran falling on her LA SSR angles. This is a “once in a lifetime” Natal Moon-Jupiter Paran falling on her 2023 LA SSR angles right before the release of her movie Barbie, which will obviously be her most successful movie, probably in her entire life.Natal Planets may enjoy no mutual zodiacal aspects but may be in Paran with return maps. Paran configurations are particularly important when they fall on the angles of a return map whether cast for the birthplace or for the place of the residence. A change of residence can alter the formation of a Paran.
Also very important to note Margot’s most angular planet in her LA SSR is angular SSR Jupiter partile conjunct her Natal MC. Her movie is well on the way of grossing over a billion $ worldwide and has already in only 4 days playing time grossed over 400 million $, this is frigging amazing by Hollywood standards, it could break all-time records. With all of this most potent Jupiter in her LA SSR it would not surprise me if Margot at least is nominated for an Academy Award for best actress. Donald Bradley recognized Moon-Jupiter symbolism in political candidates return charts as par-excellent symbolism for winning elections. Could Margot win the Academy Award for best actress? TIME will tell.
Also very important to note for Margot's 2023 LA SSR:
Margot’s mundo 2023 LA SSR showing the only two partile aspects of Moon partile 90 Venus and Sun partile 90 Neptune. Remember, mundo partile aspects are very sensitive for calculation by locational astrology. The make believe fantasy of Margot’s starring role in the movie “Barbie” is well symbolized by the mundo partile 90 of Sun-Neptune. And Margot playing the role of the most beautiful (beauty) doll Barbie is par-excellent symbolism for the mundo partile 90 of Moon-Venus, as well as a very benefic harmony for Moon-Venus in her new solar year.
Margot’s Mundo 2023 LA SSR:
https://ibb.co/wwgNNth
Next, I will sight the important symbolism I see in Margot's Natal.
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Re: Margot Robbie
Steve, do you know for sure she came back to LA/Venice? I ask because I wasn't able to find any reference to anywhere she was after Seoul. Coming to her primary home would be my first guess, but for people who have homes on multiple continents and are already traveling internationally (and weren't going to make any public appearances here), I don't want to assume it. Did you find some mention of where she was last weekend?
Even though I knew Jupiter had recently crossed her natal MC, I missed that this transit happened on her birthday (TMSA doesn't show natal angles in a return chart and I don't always notice them in SF - which I rarely consult for return charts anymore). That's an important transit. Surely that is the best things in her SSR.
If her Venice/LA SSR is considered valid (I've come to seriously question whether there is any non-trivial value in any SSR location except where it sets up), natal Jupiter on IC to the degree certainly boosts it!
I'd barely ever heard her name and didn't have a clue who she was until I looked her up.
For Venice, CA (using her relocated birth chart in SF), natal Moon crosses Dsc at RAMC 285°56' and natal Jupiter crosses IC at 291°09'. That's a 5°13' difference, larger than any orb I've seen anyone use for a paran (usually limited to 1-2° with a few people using the full 5°). Or, to see it more simply (and, I think, more accurately), in the SSR her Jupiter is 0°52' past IC and her Moon 4°45' past Dsc, so they are in 3°53' mundane square. OK, I guess I'm good with this (its a bit of a stretch, but orbs are elastic and stretchable). I think it's minor - wide - but it doesn't disagree with the loud, strong natal Jupiter on IC all by itself. The best mundane benefic activity in the Venice SSR imo is the transiting Moon-Venus mundane square 0°13'.
My real problem with this is I no longer thing SSRs relocate - at all. Where they set up is where they work (or, any effect at another location will be so minor as not really to matter). What you DID alert me to in all of this, though, is that the SSR has transiting Jupiter (14°27' Aries) conjunct natal MC (14°59' Aries), no matter where she is in the world - and that's a really big deal aspect.
Even with my affection for Ryan Gosling as an actor, I never bothered to think about this being any kind of a win for the actors (thinking of them more or less as props or set decoration in the hands of the filmmaker), so just registering as, "OK, they had another role they got hired for."
As mentioned, I hadn't a clue who Margot Robbie was until I looked her up. She's never done anything I've seen or had an inkling I'd care about. (Exception: I see she was in The Wolf of Wall Street, though I haven't a clue who that character was. If I dig deep, I can almost feel within myself a desire not to know her, not to respect her or want any kind of win for her, to see her be essentially nobody at all - and THAT, my friends, is exactly what our synastry show, for example:
14°57' Lib - my Saturn
14°59' Ari - her MC
28°93' Pis - her Mars
28°21' Sag - her Saturn
28°55' Sag - my Mars
29°00' Gem - her Asc
How's THAT for a paran <vbg>. Even thinking about her - knowing as little as I do, having nothing personal against her in the slightest (not knowing enough to have reasons to be against her), I want to stomp around and shout "Hulk smash little Robbie!" - Not literally, of course, but it plays well in fantasy. (It's probably the general way any interpersonal connection would go and we spent any time together.)
I mention this as a reminder (to myself and everyone else) how our own chart's relationship with someone else's chart - even from a distance, across digital media - whether actor, politician, or other - affects our automatic reaction to them and their chart. This is vital for counseling astrologers to remember - it used to be one of the top points with which I'd lead off workshops and other trainings on astrological counseling - and at least entertains me in the present example.
Even though I knew Jupiter had recently crossed her natal MC, I missed that this transit happened on her birthday (TMSA doesn't show natal angles in a return chart and I don't always notice them in SF - which I rarely consult for return charts anymore). That's an important transit. Surely that is the best things in her SSR.
If her Venice/LA SSR is considered valid (I've come to seriously question whether there is any non-trivial value in any SSR location except where it sets up), natal Jupiter on IC to the degree certainly boosts it!
Really? Perhaps an exaggeration?SteveS wrote: Wed Jul 26, 2023 5:56 am Margot is a Hollywood Star, the most popular Hollywood actress even before the release of Barbie.
I'd barely ever heard her name and didn't have a clue who she was until I looked her up.So here is the other thing I wanted to mention: Is this really a paran? It's certainly (in a broad, casual sense) having both natal Moon and Jupiter on angles, but the lofty recognition as a paran requires both co-angularity and some sort of mundane aspect.Let’s start by looking at her Natal Moon-Jupiter Paran falling on her LA SSR DSC & IC, this can’t be a coincidence IMHO.
For Venice, CA (using her relocated birth chart in SF), natal Moon crosses Dsc at RAMC 285°56' and natal Jupiter crosses IC at 291°09'. That's a 5°13' difference, larger than any orb I've seen anyone use for a paran (usually limited to 1-2° with a few people using the full 5°). Or, to see it more simply (and, I think, more accurately), in the SSR her Jupiter is 0°52' past IC and her Moon 4°45' past Dsc, so they are in 3°53' mundane square. OK, I guess I'm good with this (its a bit of a stretch, but orbs are elastic and stretchable). I think it's minor - wide - but it doesn't disagree with the loud, strong natal Jupiter on IC all by itself. The best mundane benefic activity in the Venice SSR imo is the transiting Moon-Venus mundane square 0°13'.
My real problem with this is I no longer thing SSRs relocate - at all. Where they set up is where they work (or, any effect at another location will be so minor as not really to matter). What you DID alert me to in all of this, though, is that the SSR has transiting Jupiter (14°27' Aries) conjunct natal MC (14°59' Aries), no matter where she is in the world - and that's a really big deal aspect.
This is, to me, a fascinating example of synastry - my synastry with her. What's my synastry with Robbie got to do with this? Well (you may find this astonishing), it never occurred to me to think of this as a Margot Robbie victory. I'd been in awe of how well Gretta Gerwig did with her film this weekendHer movie is well on the way of grossing over a billion $ worldwide and has already in only 4 days playing time grossed over 400 million $, this is frigging amazing by Hollywood standards, it could break all-time records.
Even with my affection for Ryan Gosling as an actor, I never bothered to think about this being any kind of a win for the actors (thinking of them more or less as props or set decoration in the hands of the filmmaker), so just registering as, "OK, they had another role they got hired for."As mentioned, I hadn't a clue who Margot Robbie was until I looked her up. She's never done anything I've seen or had an inkling I'd care about. (Exception: I see she was in The Wolf of Wall Street, though I haven't a clue who that character was. If I dig deep, I can almost feel within myself a desire not to know her, not to respect her or want any kind of win for her, to see her be essentially nobody at all - and THAT, my friends, is exactly what our synastry show, for example:
14°57' Lib - my Saturn
14°59' Ari - her MC
28°93' Pis - her Mars
28°21' Sag - her Saturn
28°55' Sag - my Mars
29°00' Gem - her Asc
How's THAT for a paran <vbg>. Even thinking about her - knowing as little as I do, having nothing personal against her in the slightest (not knowing enough to have reasons to be against her), I want to stomp around and shout "Hulk smash little Robbie!" - Not literally, of course, but it plays well in fantasy. (It's probably the general way any interpersonal connection would go and we spent any time together.)
I mention this as a reminder (to myself and everyone else) how our own chart's relationship with someone else's chart - even from a distance, across digital media - whether actor, politician, or other - affects our automatic reaction to them and their chart. This is vital for counseling astrologers to remember - it used to be one of the top points with which I'd lead off workshops and other trainings on astrological counseling - and at least entertains me in the present example.
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Re: Margot Robbie
Jim wrote:
Jim wrote:
1:Natal Jupiter partile 180 her LA MC
2:SSR Jupiter partile 0 her Natal MC (but this aspect would be for any residence/location)
3:But the most important Jupiter symbolism for Barbie's commercial success, IMO, is what I beleive to be true I have read from Fagan’s Paran work is her Natal Moon-Jupiter forming a Paran on her LA SSR angles of DSC & IC. Fagan IMO with his written words was crystal clear about how important it was when Natal planets calculated a Paran on primary return angles. It don't get much better for enjoying success than prominent Moon-Jupiter symbolism, and we can already see the tremendous success Margot is enjoying with her owned produced and starred in Movie--Barbie. How else do we explain the tremendous Jupiter commercial success of Margot’s owned and produced Movie Barbie with Sidereal Astrology symbolism other than her LA SSR?
Here is Margot’s Bio if you are interested, it may surprise you what a recognition she has been in Hollywood and the film/entertainment world. And now she is certainly feeling much Jupiter with Barbie and her Hollywood recognition will grow even larger.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margot_Robbie
Jim, she is the highest paid actress in Hollywood and produces her own movies about women through her company LuckyChap Entertainment (2014). As a producer of several films, Robbie bought the Barbie rights from Mattel for a film about the fashion doll in 2018. She hired Greta Gerwig to write and direct the film, and took on the title role herself after Gal Gadot declined her offer.I'd barely ever heard her name and didn't have a clue who she was until I looked her up.
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I understand Jim. You and I have some different takes on relocating SSRs and their location symbolic effects. I think they are great for relocating for fun-recreational purposes with their couple days of Quotidians (this is my little experience with re-locating SSRs), but I strongly think the SSR will manifest most of its solar year symbolism for the main living residence, which in Margot's case is LA since she is a major Hollywood Producer and actress. All I know for sure is Margot’s company owns all the rights to Barbie and by the time its plays in all the entertainment outlets it will gross well over a billion $. This one Movie alone (Barbie) may become the most successful commercial movie ever worldwide, but even if it does not—it will have high % of ranking in the top 5 of all time. So, you understand why I go with her main residence of LA for manifesting all of the LA SSR Jupiter symbolism of:My real problem with this is I no longer thing SSRs relocate - at all.
1:Natal Jupiter partile 180 her LA MC
2:SSR Jupiter partile 0 her Natal MC (but this aspect would be for any residence/location)
3:But the most important Jupiter symbolism for Barbie's commercial success, IMO, is what I beleive to be true I have read from Fagan’s Paran work is her Natal Moon-Jupiter forming a Paran on her LA SSR angles of DSC & IC. Fagan IMO with his written words was crystal clear about how important it was when Natal planets calculated a Paran on primary return angles. It don't get much better for enjoying success than prominent Moon-Jupiter symbolism, and we can already see the tremendous success Margot is enjoying with her owned produced and starred in Movie--Barbie. How else do we explain the tremendous Jupiter commercial success of Margot’s owned and produced Movie Barbie with Sidereal Astrology symbolism other than her LA SSR?
Here is Margot’s Bio if you are interested, it may surprise you what a recognition she has been in Hollywood and the film/entertainment world. And now she is certainly feeling much Jupiter with Barbie and her Hollywood recognition will grow even larger.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margot_Robbie
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After reading Margot Robbie Bio here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margot_Robbie, there is no doubt in my mind Margot’s main Natal Aspect is only seen with her only mundane aspect through her mundoscope: Partile Moon 90 Sun & Mercury with Sun partile conjunct Mercury seen in the below link:
https://ibb.co/dJQy9Lc (ignore signs with this prime vertical chart)
Jim writes about Sun-Moon aspects:
MOON-SUN
She is a Gemini Sun and after reading her Bio, we clearly see a very intelligent thinking Gemini business (Mercury) woman relative to her Hollywood environment. And just as important we can clearly see her Libra Moon playing a super important role in her fantastic Hollywood Career, most certainly her “sexual magnetism.” See Jim’s Moon-Libra here: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=34#p148.
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https://ibb.co/dJQy9Lc (ignore signs with this prime vertical chart)
Jim writes about Sun-Moon aspects:
MOON-SUN
I think this one mundo aspect symbolizes the illuminated fame she is achieving in Hollywood. I think Jim has written that mundo aspects are apt to manifest more broadly in the mundane world, more so than normal everyday living for the norm.PRINCIPLE: Desire, psychic vitality, instincts serve ego purpose, importance as an adaptation.
Energetic, dynamic, terrific drive, forceful. Psychic vitality, a mental-emotional attitude biased toward success. “At home” with power. Intense desire in whatever they undertake. High vitality (unless the luminaries are afflicted). Sexual desires also particularly strong, passionate, though often narcissistic. Possible vanity, self-exaltation, and obstinacy.
She is a Gemini Sun and after reading her Bio, we clearly see a very intelligent thinking Gemini business (Mercury) woman relative to her Hollywood environment. And just as important we can clearly see her Libra Moon playing a super important role in her fantastic Hollywood Career, most certainly her “sexual magnetism.” See Jim’s Moon-Libra here: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=34#p148.
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Re: Margot Robbie
So it literally was her film. Got it. I didn't have a clue she was anything other than a hired hand.SteveS wrote: Thu Jul 27, 2023 4:12 am As a producer of several films, Robbie bought the Barbie rights from Mattel for a film about the fashion doll in 2018. She hired Greta Gerwig to write and direct the film, and took on the title role herself after Gal Gadot declined her offer.
If this were true, I think I'd be dead by now. I rarely see even transits to residence SSR angles operate (if the SSR occurred elsewhere), even though transits to the where-it-occurred SSR angles operate reliably all year. (Quotidians, of course, operate wherever you are in the moment.)I think they are great for relocating for fun-recreational purposes with their couple days of Quotidians (this is my little experience with re-locating SSRs), but I strongly think the SSR will manifest most of its solar year symbolism for the main living residence
In Robbie's case, I think the "take it to the bank" win is SSR Jupiter precisely conjunct natal MC, something operative wherever she is in the world.
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Here is a par-excellent 2 min Video (“The Wolf on Wall Street” movie) of Margot exhibiting her natural Moon in Libra, IMHO, as a sexual tease to her hubby after an argument. This one scene along is what catapulted her Hollywood sex appeal, but don’t deceive yourself, this woman is a very smart business person, definitely not a “dumb blond” in real life .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbSvu50sLhM
. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbSvu50sLhM
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BTW, Variety lists the top 10 highest paid actresses in the world in 2023 as follows:
1. Sandra Bullock
2. Scarlett Johanssen
3. Sophia Vergara
4. Reese Witherspoon
5. Angelina Jolie
6. Gal Gadot
7. Julia Roberts
8. Jennifer Aniston'
9. Jennifer Lawrence
10. Melissa McCarthy
These things are hard to calculate, so even with Variety doing the listing this list is surely on it. Robbie might make next year's list due to Barbie but, at the moment, she's not in the top 10. I'm not sure why she has the reputation of "highest paid actress."
Ah, wait, I see Forbes listed her as the world's highest-paid actress in 2019. That was the year of her double-barreled Once Upon a Time in Hollywood and Bombshell (both of which were excellent IMHO, although - perhaps back to the synastry matter above - I don't remember ever registering her name: I think of Bombshell as a Nicole Kidman and Charlize Theron film, though of course - now that I look - I see that Robbie shares the poster/cover with them).
1. Sandra Bullock
2. Scarlett Johanssen
3. Sophia Vergara
4. Reese Witherspoon
5. Angelina Jolie
6. Gal Gadot
7. Julia Roberts
8. Jennifer Aniston'
9. Jennifer Lawrence
10. Melissa McCarthy
These things are hard to calculate, so even with Variety doing the listing this list is surely on it. Robbie might make next year's list due to Barbie but, at the moment, she's not in the top 10. I'm not sure why she has the reputation of "highest paid actress."
Ah, wait, I see Forbes listed her as the world's highest-paid actress in 2019. That was the year of her double-barreled Once Upon a Time in Hollywood and Bombshell (both of which were excellent IMHO, although - perhaps back to the synastry matter above - I don't remember ever registering her name: I think of Bombshell as a Nicole Kidman and Charlize Theron film, though of course - now that I look - I see that Robbie shares the poster/cover with them).
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I was like you Jim---I never paid much attention to her as a force in Hollywood, but when I got into her Natal and then read her Bio as a very smart business woman owning her own production company producing Barbie, and then BAM 
Barbie's grosses worldwide I said to myself---wait a minute---I need to see if she has an accurate timed birth , and she did and things got much more interesting for me with Margot.
Continuing with her Natal symbolism with more aspects for natural sex appeal:
Margot’s Moon-Libra for Jim’s delineated “sexual magnetism” is definitely backed-upped with Margot’s Natal Mars 1,05 conjunct her Natal Zenith—partile octile (45) her Natal Venus. This one angular partile Venus-Mars octile aspect offers her even more natural sex appeal, and sex appeal has always sold Hollywood tickets . And, her Mars/ASC =Venus (0,01) as a direct midpoint, another very potent sex appeal direct configuration by direct midpoint, IMO. By orb, this is her most potent direct midpoint in her Natal. Ok, enough for her natural sex appeal. Let’s move on to other aspects in her chart....
Barbie's grosses worldwide I said to myself---wait a minute---I need to see if she has an accurate timed birth , and she did and things got much more interesting for me with Margot.Continuing with her Natal symbolism with more aspects for natural sex appeal:
Margot’s Moon-Libra for Jim’s delineated “sexual magnetism” is definitely backed-upped with Margot’s Natal Mars 1,05 conjunct her Natal Zenith—partile octile (45) her Natal Venus. This one angular partile Venus-Mars octile aspect offers her even more natural sex appeal, and sex appeal has always sold Hollywood tickets
. And, her Mars/ASC =Venus (0,01) as a direct midpoint, another very potent sex appeal direct configuration by direct midpoint, IMO. By orb, this is her most potent direct midpoint in her Natal. Ok, enough for her natural sex appeal. Let’s move on to other aspects in her chart....Re: Margot Robbie
Definitely her Libra Moon! She was a born actress and movie producer. Jim’s Libra Moon nails Margot’s main life impulses.An energetic child, Robbie often put on shows in her house. She described the experience of being on a film set as "a dream come true".
She is known in the Hollywood industry as the hardest working actress ever known, she does most of her movie stunts. IMO, this is symbolized with her potent angular Mars partile 90 Saturn. Ebertin COSI says for positive Mars-Saturn combos:As a teenager, she worked three jobs simultaneously: she tended a bar, cleaned houses, and worked at Subway.
Endurance, power of resistance, indefatigable. The more energy the more difficulties are overcome, or vice versa.
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And last but certainly not least, Margot has Jupiter rising 3,32 conjunct her ASC, a tremendous benefic influence for her life.
Jim says about Jupiter angular:
Jim says about Jupiter angular:
Obviously, we see this angular Jupiter influence manifesting in her life as becoming a major Movie Producer and Actress.Actors and singers with a honed instinct for entertainment. Includes truly gifted artists of enormous stage and film power.
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Margot’s company Lucky Chap Entertainment has indeed turned into a huge Lucky endeavor with her creation of the Movie Barbie:
Barbie really is a pink unicorn. The movie is on course to earn $95 million or more in its sophomore outing, one of the best second weekends of all time at the North American box office, and the best second weekend gross ever for Warner Bros., not adjusted for inflation. That includes a $29 million Friday. The female-fueled Barbie, which continues to shatter any and all expectations, should finish Sunday with a domestic cume of around $350 million. Detractors had predicted it would fade away quickly after a history-making debut over the July 21-23 weekend, but that isn’t the case. Barbie is looking at a scant decline of 41 percent, a rare hold for a pic originally opening to such a big number at $162 million. Barbie continues to paint the overseas box office pink as well for a dreamy global total of $750 million or more by Sunday as it fast approaches the $1 billion mark. It will be only the second pic of 2023 so far to join the box office billion-dollar club.
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Barbie the Movie has now grossed worldwide well over a billion $. It has become the highest grossing film in Warner Bros entire history and is on its way to breaking other Hollywood records. Margot Robbie will receive well over 50 million $ in revenue from Barbie alone as producer of Barbie. Her producing Company (2014) named Lucky Chap Entertainment. Margot offered the starring role of Barbie to two other actresses but they turned the role down, so Margot decided she would play the leading role as Barbie herself. This movie is doing phenomenon repeat business.
We have already discussed her 7,14 Libra Moon with Jim’s delineations for Libra Moon’s a perfect fit for a female actress in Hollywood. We also discuss a-lot on this forum about re-locational astrology with its fascinating potentials for a native. Just look at Margot’s Moon when she relocates her Natal from Dalby, Australia to her main residence in Venice, California.
https://ibb.co/kBhPnNg
OMG!!!
Go back again and read the link in this thread for Jim’s Libra Moon’s, and now we see Margot Libra Moon landing on her Natal Asc when she moves herself from another continent Australia to the world of Hollywood, USA. Don’t tell me relocating a Natal Chart can’t make a difference in one’s life as long as it is a practical relocation for business, worldwide fame in Margot's life's case.
We have also been discussing a-lot lately about potential parans in a Natal Chart. Besides Margot’s Libra’s ASC Moon relocated to LA, is there another astrological reason for Margot’s personality/soul shinning in Hollywood? There sure is: When she was born she had two Sun-Sirius potential parans in Dalby, Australia, and when she moved herself to the LA area (Venice) for her main residence, she again with the astronomy in her Natal finds herself with two Sun-Sirius potential parans, simply amazing relocational astrology here with her Natal! Can we think of any better astrological symbolism other than the Sun, the brightest star in our solar system, and Sirius the brightest star in our night heavens for an outstanding example for Margot shinning before the world as now becoming the most popular actress in the World in pop culture? Again, amazing relocational astrology here with Margot’s Natal.
We have already discussed her 7,14 Libra Moon with Jim’s delineations for Libra Moon’s a perfect fit for a female actress in Hollywood. We also discuss a-lot on this forum about re-locational astrology with its fascinating potentials for a native. Just look at Margot’s Moon when she relocates her Natal from Dalby, Australia to her main residence in Venice, California.
https://ibb.co/kBhPnNg
OMG!!!
Go back again and read the link in this thread for Jim’s Libra Moon’s, and now we see Margot Libra Moon landing on her Natal Asc when she moves herself from another continent Australia to the world of Hollywood, USA. Don’t tell me relocating a Natal Chart can’t make a difference in one’s life as long as it is a practical relocation for business, worldwide fame in Margot's life's case.
We have also been discussing a-lot lately about potential parans in a Natal Chart. Besides Margot’s Libra’s ASC Moon relocated to LA, is there another astrological reason for Margot’s personality/soul shinning in Hollywood? There sure is: When she was born she had two Sun-Sirius potential parans in Dalby, Australia, and when she moved herself to the LA area (Venice) for her main residence, she again with the astronomy in her Natal finds herself with two Sun-Sirius potential parans, simply amazing relocational astrology here with her Natal! Can we think of any better astrological symbolism other than the Sun, the brightest star in our solar system, and Sirius the brightest star in our night heavens for an outstanding example for Margot shinning before the world as now becoming the most popular actress in the World in pop culture? Again, amazing relocational astrology here with Margot’s Natal.
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Jim, help me out here with Margot's 15,10 Gem Sun with your astronomical mind. Is it the case no matter where Margot locates on the planet, her Natal Sun will always be in potential paran to Sirius with paran conjunctions, or it just so happens for her birth location and LA? Thanks
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Yes. This paran is a right ascension conjunction: Sun 100°39', Sirius 101°11'. Everywhere on Earth, they will cross the MC, IC, EP-a, and WP-a together every day.SteveS wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 5:38 am Jim, help me out here with Margot's 15,10 Gem Sun with your astronomical mind. Is it the case no matter where Margot locates on the planet, her Natal Sun will always be in potential paran to Sirius with paran conjunctions, or it just so happens for her birth location and LA? Thanks
You will see this better with Solar Fire's star paran report than in Janus. Any two factors that are in paran at Upper or Lower have this characteristic - they are just RA conjunctions or oppositions.
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Re: Margot Robbie
Hers seems to also be a good argument for converse positions.
Compared to her success and the level of this event in her life, the normal direct transits and (tight) progressions seem relatively lackluster.
When we consider the converse positions, we see that this happens as Neptune conjoins her natal Moon, and as converse progressed Sun conjoins natal Venus tightly.
Compared to her success and the level of this event in her life, the normal direct transits and (tight) progressions seem relatively lackluster.
When we consider the converse positions, we see that this happens as Neptune conjoins her natal Moon, and as converse progressed Sun conjoins natal Venus tightly.
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Got it Jim, I knew you would know , thanks.
Thanks for your feedback James, par-excellent symbolism with that converse p Sun-Venus cnj for her movie about beauty (Venus) for a doll named Barbie. Converse TIME is a pondering subject.
Jim wrote about Sirius from another thread:
, thanks.Thanks for your feedback James, par-excellent symbolism with that converse p Sun-Venus cnj for her movie about beauty (Venus) for a doll named Barbie. Converse TIME is a pondering subject.
Jim wrote about Sirius from another thread:
Harvesting Ebertin...
Other than our Sun, Sirius (19°21' Gemini) is the brightest star in the sky. It's name means "the shining or scintillating one" (and similar phrases).
"In its nature are Mars and Jupiter traits. From time immemorial it was the 'Royal one,' but it is also known as violent. Well connected, it promises fame, honours, riches..." He goes on to give examples of various combinations that are violent in behavior or consequence when malefic, and indicative of wealth, power, and governmental and commercial success when positive.
"Sirius in conjunction with Sun and well-placed... will be found to be the case with numerous important and famous personalities. Possibly the rise in station is made possible by protection from people of influence," Ebertin said.
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Pondering the main astrological/symbolic WHY Margot has achieved worldwide status with her movie Barbie, we actually need go no further than the revelation her Sun-Sirius Potential Paran is the WHY she shines so brightly before the World.