Which line is best for my natal chart to find true love?

[Magdalenagli]

I’ve been traveling for many years but it seems like I have no soulmate in this world.I’ve lived near Venus line, still nothing exciting.Which line is best for my natal chart to find true love?

October 21,1992
02.00 AM
Salihli,Turkey (Latitude: 38° 29' 13.4664'' N)
(Longitude: 28° 8' 16.9872'' E )

Thanks

[SteveS]

Hi Magdalenagli, Jim is involved in caring for his wife who has just had foot surgery. Jim is best suited to answer your question, but I think I see enough in your chart to get you started on maybe understanding your Natal Venus (Love) better. First of all you were born with a powerfully placed Venus on your Natal IC. Below is your Natal Chart only showing Venus (Love), Jupiter, & Neptune. Venus is the symbol at the bottom of the chart. You were born with an “outstanding incident” Venus aspected by a partile octile aspect to your Natal Neptune, note the short doted red line connecting your Venus & Neptune with link below.

Magdalenagli Natal only showing her aspects to Venus (Love).
https://ibb.co/yPqbxMZ

What you need to try and understand-- is no matter where you are located on the Planet, you will always carry your two Venus aspects to Jupiter & Neptune with you. I am not saying there is not a better place in the World for you to find “Love,” maybe Jim can find a place somewhere that is practical-- better suited for you to find true Love. It would be great if Jim found a place where both your Venus & Jupiter were angular. But I sincerely feel with my analysis of your Natal Venus, probably the main reason you have not found the “love” you are looking for is your “outstanding incident” aspect of Venus octile Neptune, Neptune aspects can be a tricky and at times confusing aspect to understand. Go to Jim’s link below and read about Venus-Neptune aspects is a Natal:

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=182#p1224

Then, after reading Jim’s link, feel free to offer us any feedback or ask direct questions to Jim about your Venus-Neptune aspect. I sincerely feel when you can come to a better conscious understanding of your important Venus-Neptune aspect, it will increase the % for you finding better possibilities for the love you are seeking, no matter where you are located (Venus-Line) in the World. When Jim finds the time he will be able to offer better words than me for your better understanding. Oh, also, welcome to the forum.

[Jim Eshelman]

I’ve been traveling for many years but it seems like I have no soulmate in this world.I’ve lived near Venus line, still nothing exciting. Which line is best for my natal chart to find true love?

Madelanagli, welcome to Solunars. Steve is right to put attention on your closest Venus aspects, especially the Neptune aspect. Let's take this a little further.

Relationship and partnering are important to you: Your Sun is in Libra, the constellation of partnership and marriage. Venus is your most angular planet and, overall, shows some of your strongest needs. These are two very strong indications that love and partnership are of great importance to you. (I'll come back in a minute and explore the details of that further.)

Equal to Venus, though, is your Pluto. Pluto shows our needs for authenticity - to be who we are without other people's rules, judgments, or expectations altering that - to be true to ourselves in ways that often put us on the "outside," removed from others. Pluto also sponsors specific needs for isolation: Equal to your need to give and receive love and be in partnership are your needs for being alone, singularly yourself. (Your Pluto squares Moon within 0°01' - essentially exact! - and is also near an angle, though not as close as Venus.)

One set of needs doesn't cancel the other. Both of these needs are powerful and must be met by the course of your life if you are to be fully yourself. Venus and Pluto rule opposite signs - their needs are about as opposite as can be - and yet both are 100% strong in you.

That's the challenge, then: How to give voice to both of those sets of needs. (I'll continue this below.)

[Jim Eshelman]

As Steve pointed out, your Venus is closely aspecting Neptune and Jupiter. There is a powerful fantasy element in your love nature. You want things perfect! You want the unobtainable love!! You really, really want "too good to be true"!!!

This isn't silly, nor does it mean you won't get it. - But sometimes it takes a little longer to find the perfect "unobtainable love." - Venus-Jupiter is a good sign for eventual success. I suspect it's going to come down to timing.

My wife, by the way, has the same two aspects I'm talking about. Her Venus-Neptune is much stronger than yours and her Moon-Pluto is just as strong. She's a Venus-ruled Taurus the way you're a Venus-ruled Libra. While having various relationships all of her life (of varying degrees of satisfaction), we met when she was about your age and started our relationship a few years later - and it's been fantastic for both of us! (At least, that's what she says, and I choose to believe her .) It seems that one can indeed find "too good to be true" and something that feels like the once-in-a-lifetime relationship.

Your Moon-Pluto 0°01' is the competing need. You can read about Moon-Pluto here:
viewtopic.php?f=16&t=184#p1249
It shows needs for much personal independence and the ability to carve out your own life pattern, "march to your own drummer," and especially resist others' authority. Even in those of you who are also drawn strongly to closeness and connection, too much closeness for too long throws a circuit breaker in you and you need some sort of interruption. Along with connection, you also need separation - the two have to coexist.

I wonder btw if you had extreme interruption or separation in your early home life. Moon-Pluto aspects this close, especially with Moon in Cancer, often mean things like losing one's mother early in life or similar strong (even dramatic) disruption in the early family. This might help us understand how you relate to separation.

While there is no conflict between need for closeness and need for independence, to be one's own person, and have times or situations of solitude, the two sets of needs superficially compete with each other. Add to this that the partnership you want is idealistic... and it's not surprising that it has taken you longer to find the person you want to find.

Much about you is "outside of the norm." Though you are gracious and present well to others, I think you are quite an individual and don't "fit into the mold" of your society. This is true in many parts of your life, including your Venus (love) areas: Venus in Scorpio isn't a bad placement (I have Venus in Scorpio, so how could I think it bad!), but it does mean that your Venus behaviors aren't what people expect. Here are some notes on Venus in Scorpio (that have to be blended with the Venus-Neptune and Venus-Jupiter ideas): viewtopic.php?f=13&t=80#p480

Considering all of this (and your original question), I have a question for you: How comfortable do you feel in your native country (as a woman with your particular outlook and needs). I have a picture in my mind that Muslim countries are not especially comfortable or empowering for women, especially those who are strongly independent. Is this true? Is this a factor in how you have lived your life (or am I all wrong about that)? - I am sure you have the grace and tact to "get along" when you have to, though it is tough to ask a strongly Plutonian person to falsify who they are, what they think, how they feel, etc.

I'll be happy to look for other locations. First, though, I'd like to know if I've understood you accurately (in what I've written above). Also, I'd like to know if I'm right about what your life is like in Turkey. Finally, if you were to move, what geographic range is acceptable? (Where, or how far, are you willing to move?) - For example, there is an area in central Poland, around Lodz, that brings your Moon and Venus together quite strongly and might be ideal for the specific experience of finding love you feel "at home with": Is that an acceptable move?

[FlorencedeZ.]

Hi Magdalenagli,
Welcome to the forum.
I hope you are finding lots of inspiration here and learn as much as you can.
For me it has been priceless to learn about Sidereal astrology.

Jim, I was thinking, could Venus forgeround also be a little troublesome as Magdalenagli is a double Rim? I remember you talking about double Rims may have a a little more frustration with the planet most angular?
However I know quite a few double Rims with an abundance of love with Venus foreground.

Regards, Flo

[Jim Eshelman]

I remember you talking about double Rims may have a a little more frustration with the planet most angular? However I know quite a few double Rims with an abundance of love with Venus foreground.

I don't remember saying that. Do you know where I said it?

Rims sometimes have trouble with managing frustration in general, though angular Venus would ease this (since it handles frustration more easily).

I think it's primarily the need to simultaneously serve a 100%-strong Venus qnd a 100%-strong Pluto - within the Venus-Neptune process - which sometimes takes longer in life to find perfection.

[SteveS]

Magdalenagli, have you experienced deceitful men in your love life, more so than normally expected? I am curious for possible enhanced learning with one of my astrological methods. Thanks

[Jim Eshelman]

Magdalena, I did mention above that I think this is mostly a matter of timing. A few timing remarks:

Starting with transits, you are undergoing (this year and next) Pluto's transit to your natal Sun. This is well under way. It usually means a "no looking back" shift in your life - in your sense of identity and direction - as if walking through a one-way door and leaving some significant part of your "old self" on the other side. Sometimes this is obvious while it's happening, and sometimes only when it's over and you can look back - but it's one of the strongest, most life-altering transits.

Related to this is Uranus opposite your Pluto. In simple terms, it also means major changes.

The most immediate effect, though, is transiting Saturn crossing your Descendant and squaring your Venus. This probably has brought sadness (or at least a lot of seriousness) to matters of relationship, partnering, love, etc. (In fact, maybe your question came up now because of a bad relationship experience just passing. If not, then it's probably just that you're feeling the loneliness now or just wanting to get down to business on Venus matters. With a background of the larger period of reinventing yourself, this would seem to mean that one area you really want to reinvent yourself is your love life!

You have several progressions coming to a head this year - natural developments and unfolding in your life. I don't think it's worth detailing ALL of them for your current questions, other than to say that it reinforces the idea that there is a lot of "movement" in your life condition this year and in immediately surrounding years.

There is, however, one vitally important pair of secondary progressions: Your natal Midheaven is 5°22' Taurus. Your natal Venus is 6°53' Scorpio. Your progressed Sun (moving about 1° per year) is currently at 4°11' Scorpio! It will cross your IC (opposite Midheaven) in 14 months (late 2024) and conjoin your Venus in 2 years 8 months (2026 May). Each of these aspects is felt from about one year before until one year after.

What this means is that you are about to enter a two-to-three-year period more or less "programmed" since your birth to be the time when deeply personal matters (IC) and specifically love matters (Venus) are a significant focus. There is an excellent chance that you will "find love" in a deep way in this period of 2024-26.

I suspect change is already happening, already in progress for you. Mostly this is the Pluto transit to your Sun; but also your last solar return (a birthday chart: It occurred on your birthday in 2022 and describes a year of life) has Moon aspecting your Uranus and Uranus opposite your Mercury. Something has been "waking up" your mind and exposing you to new things, perhaps requiring you to adapt to new circumstances quickly. If you were near your birthplace for your 2022 birthday, you had a double dose of Uranus.

Your next solar return occurs just after midnight October 22, 2023. Wherever you are in that moment will define your year to come. For your birthplace, it is mixed: Jupiter is the strongest planet (generally a sign of a good year and things prospering for you) but Mars also aspects your Saturn near angles (usually a sign of struggle and conflict).

But here is the really exciting part: In your new solar return, Moon aspects your natal Sun. Besides emphasizing that change is in the air - that you are reaching a new phase in your life - this aspect commonly means a new relationship. Whatever is in the works for the next three years might be starting now. The Moon-Sun aspect is effective all year but is strongest about three months after your birthday, meaning January 2024. Pay close attention to what happens then, who you meet, etc.

[SteveS]

Jim wrote:

The most immediate effect, though, is transiting Saturn crossing your Descendant and squaring your Venus. This probably has brought sadness (or at least a lot of seriousness) to matters of relationship, partnering, love, etc. (In fact, maybe your question came up now because of a bad relationship experience just passing. If not, then it's probably just that you're feeling the loneliness now or just wanting to get down to business on Venus matters. With a background of the larger period of reinventing yourself, this would seem to mean that one area you really want to reinvent yourself is your love life!

Well put Jim, this is what I felt as well with Magdalenagli’s charts but didn’t quite know how to put into words for questioning her current situation. Jim, you truly have a gift with words in an astrological sense with people’s charts. I also notice her benefic secondary progressions as you noted, adding in the same progressed time period she will also be getting benefic relief from her secondary progressed ASC entering partile conjunction to her Natal Jupiter.

[FlorencedeZ.]

I remember you talking about double Rims may have a a little more frustration with the planet most angular? However I know quite a few double Rims with an abundance of love with Venus foreground.

I don't remember saying that. Do you know where I said it?

Rims sometimes have trouble with managing frustration in general, though angular Venus would ease this (since it handles frustration more easily).

I think it's primarily the need to simultaneously serve a 100%-strong Venus qnd a 100%-strong Pluto - within the Venus-Neptune process - which sometimes takes longer in life to find perfection.

I think I had that wrong. I looked in my notes and couldn't find it. This indeed makes much more sense.
Regards, Flo