Dance

[TheScales_BothWays]

Mar 28, 2017

I see that there's quite the findings by Sidereal astrologers on the link of the constellations to a human's musical abilities, but not as much (if any) to music's physical aspect, dance. (Although I must admit dance is more than just an aspect of music. )

I can see Gemini (Suns, I guess?) being interested in rhythm-based "urban" dances like hip-hop and "popping."
Would Aquarius be interested in these "urban" dances too?

Venus-Mars people may like dance since it involves the body. Perhaps they may like dancing salsa and flamenco?
If the "body" element is the case, then could Taurus and Leo Venus like dancing too?

Traditional/classical dances like ballet and bharatanatyam, (it's a classical Indian dance ) often have combined elements of art, grace and drama (as both dances are known to depict stories and tales), so we theoretically should see the co-existence of art and drama elements in the charts of the dancers of these "classical" dances too.

I just happened to know two people who dance bharatanatyam and one who dances ballet! All three of them are women.
One of the Natyam dancers is a Sagittarius-Taurus with Jupiter tightly angular on the descendant. Sag Sun and angular Jupiter go well with the tradition and the drama/acting of this classical dance while Taurus Moon goes well with the art side of it. (The body is not much of an emphasis in bharatanatyam as to the meaningful conveying of the stories and tales of the Natyam dance.) So maybe the combination of Venus, Neptune, Jupiter and/or maybe even solar elements, not necessarily in aspect but maybe in luminary placements, since I believe a Leo Sun would be more inclined to classical dancing than an angular Sun person.

Another is a Pisces-Libra. Again, Pisces great for drama and Libra's great for art and grace. Not sure of her angular planets since I don't have her birth time.

The ballerina (who had won a number of ballet championships) is a Libra-Leo. Libra for the art and grace, while Leo Moon is not a bad sign for drama and a very apt sign for "the stage" in general. I don't know her birth time either.

I suppose one may see about the same elements of art, grace and drama too in contemporary dancers. Contemporary dance is a very popular genre of dance to the youth of today.

What do you guys think? What are the signs, aspects and/or angular planets you find in dancers?

[TheScales_BothWays]

I haven't seen much on this topic in the research, except that we are frequently reminded of the exceptional frequency of Taurus Sun among the greatest of dancers. I think we might tip this to "classical dancers" - all this research, for example, was done before the mid-1960s - and Isadora Duncan is the most named (but hardly the only named). To the grace etc., Bradley added an occasional remarks about Taurus' general presentation of his or her body, in this case as a distinctive art object.

BTW, I also have charts of competitive figure skaters who also have a Taurus frequency - casual observation, nothing statistically relevant - and they are basically dancers on ice skates.

[TheScales_BothWays]

I haven't seen much on this topic in the research, except that we are frequently reminded of the exceptional frequency of Taurus Sun among the greatest of dancers. I think we might tip this to "classical dancers" - all this research, for example, was done before the mid-1960s - and Isadora Duncan is the most named (but hardly the only named). To the grace etc., Bradley added an occasional remarks about Taurus' general presentation of his or her body, in this case as a distinctive art object.

BTW, I also have charts of competitive figure skaters who also have a Taurus frequency - casual observation, nothing statistically relevant - and they are basically dancers on ice skates.

Very interesting to know these stats, which I completely agree with. (Not that I won't accept them as true if I don't haha )
Thanks for sharing Jim.

ADD: So I've just googled the birthday of an accomplished and famously known Bharatanatyam dancer in India: Shobana. She was born in Cochin, India, on the 21st of March, 1970. That would make her a Pisces-Leo regardless of birth time.

[TheScales_BothWays]

Look for aspects Scales. Do not focus on signs only. It may have much more to do with aspects how we express.
Dance is rythm, movement and also an expression of music and beauty.
For this I would check charts of dancers and look for aspects to Venus and Neptune, even concurrent angularity.

My daughter loves to dance, she simply gets to such a happy state when she dances. She likes to move, but it is also because she loves music.
Her Venus has always been prominent in my view. It was square her MC when back home... but is now on ASC and Neptune on IC, so concurrent angularity.

Look at professional dancers and see if you notice this, concurrent Venus & Neptune angularity or an aspect.
If it is also fast and sweaty - Mars might be involved as well.
Look at sweaty Madonna f.ex. Musical and loves to dance as well. Venus-Neptune square and Moon-Mars trine. Ignore online angles for her - it is not sure that they are right.
Look at Beyonce, with her Venus on ASC and connects to Neptune with a sextile.
Look at Shakira, Venus to Mars and Moon and Sun-Neptune.
Look at Vaslav Nijinsky who has an angular Venus that connects to Neptune and Uranus.
Look at Mikhail Baryshnikov with Venus quinq Neptune, Sun-Mars quinq. Sun-Neptune wide trine (his chart is actually interesting with a kite and rectangle).
Look at Presley with Mars sq Sun and Neptune trine Sun.
Look at Fred Astaire, Venus-Mars, Venus to Neptune and Pluto, Moon-Mars.
Look at Josephine Baker that had Venus partile conj. Neptune and opp Uranus as well as Moon-Mars trine.
Look at Gene Kelly who had Venus-Moon trine, Neptune to Mars and Uranus.
Look at Sylvie Guillem who had a tight T square with Neptune-Jupiter/Venus and a Venus-Mars quinq.
Look at Michael Jackson with his Neptune-Sun, Venus-Mars with Uranus involved and Moon-Venus quinq.

...the more I see of these charts the more I realise that my little girl can probably express great dancing and music with her angular Venus which is quinq Moon and wide sextile her triple conjunction of Mars-Pluto-Mercury along with her Neptune on IC. Well, she goes to dancing now and I am always turning on music for her ... let's see what she chooses later on

[TheScales_BothWays]

Thank you for your reply Arena. Though I am sorry for replying late—my connection was lost these past few days.

Look for aspects Scales. Do not focus on signs only. It may have much more to do with aspects how we express.

I am focusing to aspects too, hence why I thought Venus-Mars may be a prominent dance aspect. I totally agree with you that aspects show what we express. But luminary signs are our basic character; aspects just wrap around them and function in our luminary signs' context. So, at least, signs could just as a big deal as with aspects.

Look at professional dancers and see if you notice this, concurrent Venus & Neptune angularity or an aspect.

Thank you for sharing the list of prominent dancers.
I also notice that a number of them are Leos! Mostly Leo Suns but Madonna has a Leo Moon. Interesting, considering the association of Leo to "the stage" and to the act of "showing off."
Well, for Queen Bey, I'd expect nothing but regal Leo, and she pleasingly has a Leo Sun, and a Libra Moon plus angular Venus doesn't hurt and in fact adds to her already Leo-dominated personality.

[TheScales_BothWays]

My non-scientifically collected data of birthdates of argentine tango dancers* who are my Facebook friends is below:

*One of the few true lead/follow partner dances, I would expect it to correlate to qualities such as grace, patience, discipline, musicality but not necessarily to "performer" type qualities (since it's a dance that can be about a very internal, non-showy subtle connection).


Tau-2
Gem-3
Can-2
Leo-4
Vir-2
Lib-2
Sco-1
Sag-0
Cap-3
Acq-3
Pis-3
Ari-2

0 Sag, 1 Sco, 4, Leos.

The one Scorpio is an excellent tango dancer, so it could be an insignificant sampling issue

The 4 Leo's could also be a sampling issue. However, 2 of those Leo's are women who know how to both lead and follow, and one is a tango dj. So perhaps the themes of simple elegance with non-ostentatious flair and propensity for centricity/being a ringleader are at play, as these traits very much apply to argentine tango (but not necessarily other dances).

I can imagine Sagittarius having a very hard time with being too self-critical to make it through the long (1 year+), steep learning curve.

[TheScales_BothWays]

I agree with you on Sag - and would add that they can simply be too stiff (despite the inherent formality) to convey the passion necessary for a magnificent tango. And Leo is no surprise

[TheScales_BothWays]

Avshalom Binyami your examples have an almost equal distribution. The exceptions being Scorpio and Sagi.

Much more interesting view for me would be if those people had the aspects I pointed out above. Seems to be a possibly stronger indicator than Sun sign placement.

[TheScales_BothWays]

When run through some statistical crunching, they aren't all that equal at all. The Leo peak dramatically exceeds even those one number less. The problem is that none of the scores are significant - even the Sagittarius score doesn't quite reach even the 10% threshold, and the Leo score falls farther from it.

The issue, as Av mentioned, is the small number. If the numbers were four times as large - so that we had 108 examples, Leo having 16, etc. - this would be quite an excellent list, with Leo past 50-to-1, Sagittarius past 100-to-1, and a cumulative chi-square on the entire set past 20-to-1.

But we don't have that... because you can't get that numerically with this few examples. But it's an interesting tally nonetheless.

[TheScales_BothWays]

Arena,

Absolutely. In addition to my sample size being small, it's also self-selected by how people relate to me. So no statistical weight, or true scientific insight.

In terms of Neptune, Venus, Mars...

I have:
Neptune conjunct Ascendant in Scorpio
Mars-Uranus sextile to Jupiter
Un-aspected Venus in Leo

I have historically never been a great dancer (I'm bad at choreography), but I've taken to tango (it's 100% improvised), and get lots of compliments on being a good leader (mostly for my connection, embrace, and musicality--not for fancy footwork), in spite of being relatively new.

I think it would be more interesting to make a short list of very good tango dancers and collect their detailed data.