SteveS wrote: Sun Dec 17, 2023 5:39 am
Jim, if we have an accurate timed chart for this USA Radical chart, USAs 2024 mundo SSR is a dozy (link below)! I have forgotten, can you remind me how the time for this Radical USA Chart was derived?
Wow, you're not kidding! That's indeed explosive. (It
may be part of the Ken Bowser's program December 30 that you were invited to, since the promo says he is using the U.S. natal chart.)
The history of this chart goes back to John Hazelrigg and Llewellyn George. Hazelrigg found reference to the Continental Congress voting for independence "shortly past noon" on July 4, 1776. I never saw the original reference but I suspect it was the same article Ken Bowser found a few years ago, an 1851
Harper's Magazine article honoring the 75th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence which stated that the delegates of the 13 colonies at "a little past noon" agreed by a unanimous vote to declare themselves independent from England.
That's a pretty exact statement!
Hazelrigg first proposed 12:15 PM LMT. This is a little misleading because LMT was not yet in use (they used sundial time
aka Local Apparent Time). Llewellyn George worked with the chart for years, gradually rectifying it. According to Donald Bradley, LG's final rectified time was 12:14:42 PM LMT, a mere 18 seconds from the original assumption.
Bradley used this chart in the 1940s in his annual forecasts for the Llewellyn magazine. Under the name Lewis Howard, he wrote (around 1950)
Astrology and the United States: The National Horoscope of the USA demonstrating the exact fit for several major events: Civil War, WW I, 1929 crash, Pearl Harbor, and VJ Day. BTW, this is available from Amazon in reprint in either hard cover or paperback.
It was this chart that Bradley used to write the only published prediction of JFK's murder.
viewtopic.php?f=28&t=7386
I saw no reason to try to refine the time any more than LG had after years of working closely with it, so I accepted the 12:14:42 PM LMT time that Bradley also decided to accept without modification. This is for the exact coordinates of Independence Hall, 39N56'56", 75W09'00". However, since the time in use was not LMT but LAT, I restated it as LAT. BTW (most people don't know), in Solar Fire you can type
LAT into the time zone field and it will calculate the conversion for you automatically. LMT conversion for Independence Hall is +5:00:36 and, for July 4, 1776, the LAT conversion is +5:04:35. These differ by 0:03:59. Subtracting that from 12:14:42 LMT gives 12:10:43 LAT. (It's the same time, just stated differently.)
The time I use is, thus, 12:10:43 PM LAT, July 4, 1776, at Independence Hall, 39N56'56", 75W09'00". Notice that 12:10 PM sounds more like "shortly past noon" than 12:15 would sound. (Europeans were long used to stating times in quarters of an hour.)
The final step in this came from Ken Bowser. In 2015 he found the
Harper's article I mentioned above. He then rectified the chart with primary directions, individually testing each minute from 12:00 to 12:15 PM LAT and found that 12:12 PM LAT was the perfect time. (As he wrote, he "hit the mother lode." This time is one minute later than the (rounded to the minute) 12:11 PM LAT (12:10:43) of the Hazelrigg-George rectification. He wrote a book detailing all of this:
Primary directions and the Horoscope of the United States.
You might want to use what LG and Bradley used (and I routinely use) or one minute later at 12:12 PM LAT that Ken uses.
BTW, I have posted on this site several Bradley articles on this chart from the Llewellyn magazine. They are interesting if for no other reason than that they show his gradual change from Tropical to Sidereal.
1948:
viewtopic.php?f=28&t=624
1949:
viewtopic.php?f=28&t=625
1950:
viewtopic.php?f=28&t=626
1951:
viewtopic.php?f=28&t=627
They're all interesting to me, but you may find the 1950 article particularly interesting. In part of the article he showed how major events across the country were tracked by relocating this U.S. chart to the spot of the event. Here is the direct link to that section:
viewtopic.php?f=28&t=626#p3989
Speaking of relocation, relocate this chart to Washington, DC. Though Sun and Saturn were already quite strong in the original chart, these symbols of government (leadership and control) become MORE angular (I think it's by square to the angles - I'd have to check) when the country moved it's capital to Washington.
) for possible further clues would be to go to SMA Solar Ingresses. DCs 2026 Cansolar concerns me.
