Solar arcs for JFK assasination

[Arena]

I just looked into the solar arcs for JFK's death.
Striking Pluto-Mars symbolism.

He's born on May 29th 1917 and killed (by the deep state) on Nov 22nd 1963.
I don't take his angles or Moon since I don't have a known birth time for him.

D. Mars partile r. Pluto and d. Pluto partile sq. r. Mars = violent attack.

[Jim Eshelman]

Yes, d Mars 28' from conjunct natal Pluto is quite square-on.

His birth time is well-documented: He was born at 3:00 PM per a direct communication from his mother to Donald Bradley at the American Astrology offices. Even if you don't trust the round hour for the angles, you certainly can count on the Moon being (at worse) within a few minutes: For 3 PM, directed Neptune conjoined natal Moon within 10'. (It also squares natal Venus 18' but it needs a personal point connection, it seems, for any of these to become relevant).

If you trust the time within a few minutes, 3 PM also has d MC sq r Sun 18'.

[Arena]

Well, if that's the case then it doesn't surprise me that his death has been shrouded with the mystery it has been for decades - the deep state lying and hiding things from the public - but also the publicity, attention and love from the public.

[Veronica]

I came across this today as I am going through old posts...and reading Areans delineations that culminated in "violent attack"..

I was touched by this phrase and wondered why. I was also touched by the word choice of mysterious death...it bothered me, there is absolutely nothing mysterious to me about his death, all respects to the deceased and kin he died from a bullet wound. But I'm not here to split hairs about that.

Solar arcs are part of us and how our character unfolds over time correct? It's often a deep long working of choices habits and lifestyle choices. It's not what is going on outside your window in reality, but part of your inner climate correct?

I think that possibly those SA aspects are not talking about the moment some coward took a breathe and pulled a trigger a mile away, but an inner event in Mr. President, one in which he knew he was a man willing to give his very life for what is right and good, for his country.
I think that the violent act we see as being committed against him, was possibly not that, but by him.

[SteveS]

Certain Solar Arcs are about "Major Life Developments" V, once in a lifetime events. We never know the specifics of their manifestations, some are benefic--some are malefic.

[Veronica]

Certain Solar Arcs are about "Major Life Developments" V, once in a lifetime events. We never know the specifics of their manifestations, some are benefic--some are malefic.

SA to me seem as an ongoing internal unfolding maturatury of character (could be viewed as malefic to some and beneficial to others and vice versa).

[Arena]

I was also touched by the word choice of mysterious death...it bothered me, there is absolutely nothing mysterious to me about his death, all respects to the deceased and kin he died from a bullet wound. But I'm not here to split hairs about that.

Yes we do know that he was killed by a bullet. But we don't know which bullet. It seems unlikely that it was Oswalds bullet that killed him and there were gunshots from a few different directions. It has been speculated that it was organised by the CIA/deep state (they assassinate whomever is in the way of their shadow government / shadow mafia that runs the country and the military industrial complex that JFK wanted to abolish). Oswald was most likely someone they decided to sacrifice and blame for the murder they themselves committed. JFK's brain disappeared and the files about his murder were hidden from the public view.

Oliver Stone made the movie about the JFK assassination and then he revisited it a couple of years ago because of some declassified files that have been hidden from the public for decades. Very interesting indeed. I'm not saying that it is the whole truth, but he at least made an attempt to investigate and document what he could to show us and it is enough to establish a reasonable doubt. It really is worth watching; https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11173544/

It's available on AppleTV, Paramount and Prime Video.

[Jim Eshelman]

The main mundane and personal charts for Dallas show dramatic, terminal violence. The same charts cast for Washington, DC at least show a dramatic shift in authority and, interestingly to me, seem most consistent with a coup.

[SteveS]

I agree with Jim and Arena, no doubt in my mind it was a coup.
Arena wrote:

D. Mars partile r. Pluto and d. Pluto partile sq. r. Mars = violent attack.

It doesn’t get more violent than the above symbolism. Probably the most violent act ever withness up to that time by America.
Jim wrote:

If you trust the time within a few minutes, 3 PM also has d MC sq r Sun 18'.

Yes!! And, even more interesting/striking with this d MC sq Sun is looking at JFK’s midpoint structure of his Natal Sun in his 8H of death as certain house traditions offer as one of the key words:
AS/MC 90 Sun (0,57)
Saturn/AS 90 Sun (0,43)
Adding more evidence this bt is accurate.

In a sense, when we analyze these Solar Arcs and midpoint structures of his Natal Sun, it was meant to be for the timing of his death with Arena's point about the violent Solar Arc symbolism of d Mars to r Pluto. Our lives are planned & programed by the heavens above. The only way a human being can become conscious of this astronomical/astrological fact is to be taught this knowledge early on in their life. But, would or could this change our destinies....?

[Veronica]

I was also touched by the word choice of mysterious death...it bothered me, there is absolutely nothing mysterious to me about his death, all respects to the deceased and kin he died from a bullet wound. But I'm not here to split hairs about that.

Yes we do know that he was killed by a bullet. But we don't know which bullet. It seems unlikely that it was Oswalds bullet that killed him and there were gunshots from a few different directions. It has been speculated that it was organised by the CIA/deep state (they assassinate whomever is in the way of their shadow government / shadow mafia that runs the country and the military industrial complex that JFK wanted to abolish). Oswald was most likely someone they decided to sacrifice and blame for the murder they themselves committed. JFK's brain disappeared and the files about his murder were hidden from the public view.

Oliver Stone made the movie about the JFK assassination and then he revisited it a couple of years ago because of some declassified files that have been hidden from the public for decades. Very interesting indeed. I'm not saying that it is the whole truth, but he at least made an attempt to investigate and document what he could to show us and it is enough to establish a reasonable doubt. It really is worth watching; https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11173544/

It's available on AppleTV, Paramount and Prime Video.

Thanks for the feedback Area, Yes I am aware of all that and the movie. Not a fan of Mr. Stone honestly, his Doors movie left a bad taste.
Anyhooo, what I was getting at was that JFK knew he was making certain groups extremely mad and uncomfortable and while may not have known exactly who pulled the trigger...knew exactly who it is that wanted him dead....it was no mystery to him.

[SteveS]

Hi Arena, Gayle and I watched your “JFK Revisited” link yesterday, and it brought back old malefic memories, but we thoroughly enjoyed its presentation. JFK was by far our most favorite Prez and felt like he was a game changer for the entire world. As the Video showed many other leaders and their Countries had great respect for JFK’s world leadership. IMHO, JFK had a true unmatched vision for World peace, but sadly it was not to be.

[Veronica]

JFK had a true unmatched vision for World peace, but sadly it was not to be.

IDK, I think that maybe the disgust at not being able to "prove who did it" legally and lawfully, motivated the science and technology students to force the military to share its resources and data (All technology starts out as a service to the military and only after they have a firm control of it do they allow the "common man" to use it) so that we now have things like forensic science and drone surveillance, doorbell cameras, apple tracking tags, and social media that keep a vast majority of us under the watchful eye of the world.
I had a creep approach me in the park hiking, looked like a hobo bum and I said to him, Please know that I am under surveillance and you are being watched. How empowering and freeing and peaceful indeed.

[SteveS]

I hear you V.

[SteveS]

Arena, have you seen this link, not that you/we need any more proof it was a coup?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaCwrmoa3sQ

[Jim Eshelman]

JFK SLR for Dallas (sudden violence)
t Pluto on WP-a -2°31'
----------------------------
t Mars on Z +0°29'
r Moon on Dsc +0°43'
t Uranus on Dsc +0°55'
r Venus on IC +3°01'

t Uranus co r Moon 0°28' M
t Uranus sq r Venus 2°06' M
t Mars-Pluto sq -2°11'
t Mars-Uranus sq +2°12'
t Pluto co r Moon 3°58'


JFK SLR for Washington (political overthrow)
t Jupiter on Asc -0°11'
---------------------------- Asc = Ju/Pl 0°25'
t Pluto on Dsc +1°00'
r Pluto on IC +6°37'
t Moon on Dsc +7°46'

t Moon sq r Pluto 1°00' M
t Jupiter-Pluto op 1°11' M
t Pluto co r Mon 3°58'

[Jim Eshelman]

Similarly...

Liblunar for Dallas (sudden violence)
Pluto on WP-a 0°07'
Uranus on Dsc 2°57'
Mars on Z 1°55'

Mars-Pluto sq 0°02'


Liblunar for Washington (political overthrow)
Jupiter on Asc 1°51'
Pluto on Dsc 2°54'
Moon very widely angular

Jupiter-Pluto op 1°02' M

[SteveS]

t Mars on Z +0°29'
r Moon on Dsc +0°43'
t Uranus on Dsc +0°55'

An "outstanding incident" SLR. I remember the days when I was relocating my SLRs for very benefic "outstanding incident" recreational gambling times, and they blew me away. For sure: we can choose to be in the right place at the right time or not know and be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Its the locational angles that make all the difference in the world. As I have often said: Sidereal Astrology needs to be taught in ones educational systems.

[Arena]

Things took a VERY dark turn for the USA and the world stage with the military industrial complex and the deep state/shadow power after he was killed.

Some interesting things are coming out and people are still investigating his murder and there is now scientific proof that he was NOT killed by Oswald. For those who are interested, look into this interesting interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDQHOo5Pau4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FStA0NIj4xI

In 2021 Oliver Stone made his JFK revisited movie.

I just took a look at his solar arcs to see if there is anything of importance in 2021 and now as this investigation continues and more proof is out.

In 2021;
D. Sun partile r. Moon
D. Node partile r. ASC/DSC

Solar arcs now:
D. DSC partile r. Neptune
D. Node partile sq. MC
D. Uranus 1,41° conjunct r. Sun (can bring focus to the native)
D. Pluto partile trine r. Venus

I can see some interesting solar arcs movement in upcoming years and I predict some more hidden shit will come out around that time. These are years 2027-2029 when his d. Moon will oppose his r. Pluto and his d. Pluto will be conjunct his r. ASC.

[SteveS]

For sure Arena, a very evil force of the Military/CIA took control of the USA government in 1963, and its branch has grown and is extensive today. They achieved what they wanted by sealing the evidence for 50 years in order to get the 1963 generation who witness the murder to die-off. I ask my Nephew/Niece and their friends if they have heard of the JFK Conspiracy to murder JFK in 1963 and they know nothing about the conspiracy.

[SteveS]

Arena,
Former President Coolidge warned of an eventual Deep-State "Bureaucracy which could overwhelm democracy having authority over everybody and being responsible to nobody." IMO, we witness some kind of "Deep State Bureaucracy" responsible for the assassination of JFK setting-up Oswald as a Patsy. AFAIC, this same type "Deep State Bureaucracy" is thriving more powerful today with all members of the executive branch of US government in fear of this Deep State Bureaucracy." When it comes to the Federal budget and the US $, IMO, this budget is completely out of control, not even the Deep State having a clue what to do about it, except the rich get richer and the common hard working citizens with their families struggling harder to make ends meet. Its a mess but life goes on.

[Veronica]

The good thing about messes is that they can be cleaned up. Unfortunately it's not usually the people who made the mess doing the cleaning (the trees in the forest make a huge mess that the decomposers break down, not the trees).

My mother believed that JFK was assassinated by European and Asian Oligarchs who hated their "subjects" (American Citizens)
for leaving the brutal world of that continent and not paying them homage and taxes ext anymore. I believe that theory more so then any supposed American DeepState Miliary dictatorship, which I see no real real real evidence for.

but this is a thread about Jack's astrology and not my personal opinion.

[SteveS]

V wrote:
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but this is a thread about Jack's astrology and not my personal opinion.

I hear you V, its an open forum with all kinds of threads, you/anyone are free to express their opinions . It is also a tread about Arena's opinion about a USA "Deep State" killing Jack, which I agree with Arena absolutely, and is why I made my last post supporting Arena's opinion.

[Veronica]

V wrote:
...

but this is a thread about Jack's astrology and not my personal opinion.

I hear you V, its an open forum with all kinds of threads, you/anyone are free to express their opinions . It is also a tread about Arena's opinion about a USA "Deep State" killing Jack, which I agree with Arena absolutely, and is why I made my last post supporting Arena's opinion.

Yea, you and Arena have great synastry for promotion and discussion of opinions on conspiracy stories, which I obviously dont share with my own charts dynamics. It is very interesting to see you both impassioned about these things and corroborating each others opinions. That's such a beautiful thing about astrology, what we say about any subject tells others more about ourselves then the actual subject we think we are talking about. Dont worry your not pushing my buttons and I have no desire to sway anyone to my opinions, I do though have a desire to share that there are lots of other opinions ut in the world, ones that are not mean ugly evil ideas of some cruel faction of Americans who are out to take over the globe and rule in some dystopian fantasy of a NWO.
There is a great new book out that has a lot of interesting information about those times that you should read. It's called The Last Honest Man. Highly recommend to truth seekers and fans of America.

[Jim Eshelman]

Yea, you and Arena have great synastry for promotion and discussion of opinions on conspiracy stories, which I obviously dont share with my own charts dynamics. It is very interesting to see you both impassioned about these things and corroborating each others opinions.

Wow, it had never occurred to me to look at that. Steve and Arena have interchanges that, taken by themselves, often would be taken as negative interchanges - yet, taken as patterns in their individual charts (that then connect), they bring quite interesting things together.

For example, Arena's Moon-Mercury-Mars is right on Steve's Jupiter, Saturn, and Pluto with different orbs all around:

20°14' Can - S Pluto
24°03' Can - S Saturn
24°42' Can - A Mercury
25°01' Ari - A Moon
27°55' Lib - S Asc
28°00' Can - A Mars
29°42' Lib - S Jupiter

A's Neptune is square S's MC (always good for a little conspiracy among friends ).

There are friendly things, too, of course, such as A's Venus to S's Sun-Uranus (add her Pluto and his Venus for wider orbs). For eye-opening by blasting out the hidden truth, her Uranus is minutes from conjunct his Mercury.

[Veronica]

well I mentioned it because with my Aries Saturn, Capricorn Mercury, and all that Scorpio and Uranus stuff I have often felt almost like their personal opinions were personal attacks on me, which is an ugly feeling and one I sum up to the synastry at work and not actual personal hatred of me, which my subconscious throws up at me during certain topic discussions. Considering they are so much advanced in their study, understanding and application of astrology then I am, I figured they were just being impassioned in thier opinion and were not intentionally saying things to be hurtful, mean or jerky and it was my lack of understanding that made me feel persecuted. takes all kinds to make the world the beautiful loving creation that is and I am grateful for their gifts they bring to the table.

[Jim Eshelman]

I'm sure you're right about all that, V. I detected no animosity, just strong opinion. When opinion (the intrusion of a reality) strongly comes up against views we hold to feel psychologically safe, it can feel threatening.

And, of course, now that you have your own copy of HOSNI, you're in an even better place to see these things in people's charts and in synastry. No reason to feel (if there ever was) that you don't have enough experience

[Arena]

I'm with you on all that Steve. I never heard of the theory V has pointed out. Interesting as well.

For eye-opening by blasting out the hidden truth, her Uranus is minutes from conjunct his Mercury.

A great aspect indeed for some very interesting interactions!

V said:

I have often felt almost like their personal opinions were personal attacks on me, which is an ugly feeling and one I sum up to the synastry at work and not actual personal hatred of me, which my subconscious throws up at me during certain topic discussions. ... I figured they were just being impassioned in thier opinion and were not intentionally saying things to be hurtful, mean or jerky

OMG, I'm very sorry you have felt attacked in our interactions. It is certainly not my intention to attack you or anyone. I'm glad you could come to the conclusion that we were not intentionally being mean or hurtful. I know I can be very sharp in my approach which is my Mer-Mars conjunction. I guess it can be a passionate way of communicating and frank and sharp - but it is not meant to be hurtful.

[SteveS]

V, I ditto Arena’s statement. Never would I mean to incite a personal attack on anyone on this forum. I understand now how Arena and my communication on this thread may have been offensive to you, but no way was our communication meant to be offensive to anyone. We were just discussing a common interest we both have with the tragic death of JFK.

[Veronica]

Thank you Arena and Steve for being understanding to my sensitivity and allowing me a safe place to say, I know you are not meaning harm, but I struggle to not experience our synastry uncomfortably....

All I could think about was Jack's family and how insensitive this whole topic would be to them. A family lost a son, a brother, and uncle, a father a husband, who was loved to them, and I just dont think it matters who actually pulled which trigger, in a way every single person alive played a part in that, everyone is guilty and everyone is innocent.

I worry that by talking about such a horrible event that it gives rise to ideas in impressionable people to copycat, seeking distorted fame and glory through choas and violence. I think some people do terrible things to shock and destroy certain peoples family and kin. It bothers me deeply and it makes me not want to think about those cowardly acts and give them anymore time then they allready had.

I appreciate your feedback and enjoy hearing your thoughts and feelings about our world, but some times I do just want to say...can we talk about the nice things in life and maybe inspire copycatting of our best behaviors instead on dwelling and ruminating on old bad behaviors.

but, as you know, I'm a fine one to talk about that and need to better practice that myself.
Thank you for your light and kindness.

[SteveS]

I understand V, and respect your sensitivity on this matter, and will no longer comment about this tragic event.

[Veronica]

Yesterday I found a stack of books on a table here at the Library. Someone had pulled out most of the history (973 Dewey Decimal) books we own on the JFK assassination.

So during my lunch I read through them and came across a lot of information that I had never known, about JFK, our country and things that were going on in the world.
It is such a shame that so much information and research just sits around, waiting to be read.

Anyhoo...I read about a man named Michel Mertz, I even read some pages in French about his life of crime and insanity....
I thought for those interested in analyzing things that his birth data might reveal some Pearls or swine....and since I found the books out yesterday, I was Uranusly (is that a cool word or what!) shocked at the timing

born. April 20, 1920 Waldwisse France (10 miles from Merzig Germany)
died Jan 15, 1995 Oleans France.

His Jupiter Neptune conjuction is striking and considering he was a heroin smuggler and mercenary I feel he may be the actual murderer and bent on getting Americans strung out on smack.
His biography on wiki lists several events that we may be able to use to rectify his chart to learn his angles and moon.

The other person mentioned was a Jean Soutre
born October 15, 1930 Ayquemorte France
Died June 18,2001 Annemasse France
apparently this Jean was an enemy of Michel, with Michel using his name often in an attempt to discredit/dishonor Jean.

FWIW.....