2024 Prez Election

[Jim Eshelman]

Woohoo

[Lance]

Oh, she’s a fellow Oct 20th?

Look at that Libra-Aries, Sun-Moon opposition in her natal.

She’s gonna fight for justice. Hire her. Lol.

[Mike V]

She’s gonna fight for justice. Hire her. Lol.

We're trying!!!!

[SteveS]

Trump - 220
Harris Even

[Jim Eshelman]

Wow. Not sure how long the introductory honeymoon will last, but at least it's interesting now!

[SteveS]

The odds makers normally are in the know when it comes to Prez elections and the TRUE polls of the voting public. I have been wagering on Prez elections since I learned Sidereal Astrology (early 90s). The only time I witnessed the odds makers wrong with Prez elections and the polls was 2016 when Trump won as a considerable underdog. When Trump walked of the escalators at Trump Tower in 2015 and threw his hat into the Prez Ring---the odds makers had him + 3500 to win Prez and + 1800 to win Rep nominee. Trump’s 2016 SSR featured a SSR Moon partile cnj his Natal Jupiter and we witness him winning convincedly. Now we see a wide cnj of Moon-Jupiter in Harris 2024 SSR with t Jupiter conjunction her SSR Moon in 2025. Bradley taught us a long time ago with his superb Sidereal Astrology research that Moon-Jupiter symbolism was the number one planetary combo for winning major elections. If Harris sets-up her 2024 SSR at her residence in DC she will experience an “outstanding incident” of Jupiter-Uranus in her life!!! Jupiter-Uranus is the “Thank you Lord” aspect after being “released” from a tremendous amount of “tension,” and we know she is now under a tremendous amount of tension with the weight of her entire Party on her shoulders for winning the 2024 Prez election. Obviously winning Prez is a huge “outstanding incident” for an entire lifetime.

[Jim Eshelman]

Remember, you weren't wrong in 2016. Hillary won the popular vote by a significant margin.

[SteveS]

The clearest astrological symbolism my mind has ever seen for Trump winning in 2016 was his partile conjunction of 2016 SSR Moon with his Natal Jupiter along with the 2016 Libsolar. When I saw the high underdog betting odds for him winning the Rep ticket and Prez, I immediately placed wagers on him sweeping the elections in 2016. If I had not studied Bradley’s work and your SSR book---no way I could have placed these wagers in 2016 for Trump winning. Sidereal Astrology is a beautiful language for understaning things with foresight. Again, if Harris clebrates her b-day at her DC residence on Sunday Oct 20 without an early flight Monday morning---she wins this Prez election. I think t Pluto teeing off on her full moon could be symbolizing Bradley's Pluto "Firsts" for a woman Prez.

[SteveS]

A new Morning Consult poll released Thursday shows Harris leading former President Trump 46 percent to 45 percent—the highest level of support recorded for Democrats since tracking began in 2022. She also leads Trump 40 percent to 38 percent among independent voters.

Trump - 210
Harris - 110

[SteveS]

Trump - 195
Harris - 120

[Jim Eshelman]

Trump - 195
Harris - 120

Her SLR today isn't positive. If PVP aspects are valid, it is outright negative (otherwise just confusion, uncertainty, and weakness). I wonder if the honeymoon is winding down? - Obviously, I hope not.

[SteveS]

Trump - 205
Harris - 110

To win 100 $ on Trump you have to risk 205 $
To win 100 $ on Harris you have to risk 110 $

[SteveS]

Trump - 180
Harris - 130

[SteveS]

Trump - 160
Harris - 150

[Jim Eshelman]

Trump - 160
Harris - 150

Talk about a virtual tie! (At least from the odds-makers' perspective.)

[SteveS]

The rate Harris is going---she soon will be the odds on favorite to win this election.

[Jim Eshelman]

To see this trajectory (which, of course, could change in a moment), here are the numbers Steve has been posting displayed differently. Rather than list individual betting odds, here are the odds expressed as the gap between Trump and Harris since the end of June (right after the Biden-Trump debate):

Jun - 1435
3-Jul - 735
4-Jul - 620
5-Jul - 551
6-Jul - 575
8-Jul - 660
9-Jul - 875
10-Jul - 875
11-Jul - 700
12-Jul - 500
15-Jul - 1200
20-Jul - 600
21-Jul - Biden withdraws
22-Jul - 385
24-Jul - 220
26-Jul - 100
27-Jul - 75
30-Jul - 95
31-Jul - 50
2-Aug - 10
12-Aug - -35
16-Aug - -50
18-Aug - -30
26-Aug: - 20

[SteveS]

K Harris – 180
Trump – 145

At this moment Kamala is the clear favorite to win Prez. And, if she is at her DC residence when her new 2024 SSR sets-up (Oct 20-21), she is my clear choice to win Prez using the guidelines in Jim’s book “Interpreting Solar Returns.”

[Jim Eshelman]

Personally, this is great news.

Steve, I don't know if you've had the chance to see this. (It's long.). https://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=8881

[SteveS]

I just got back yesterday from a road trip and I am in the process of studying this thread Jim. All I really know for sure: the current SSR election charts compared for Biden vs Harris is like night and day with malefic vs benefic for elections. I think you nailed it a few weeks ago when you said Biden’s current SSR may not be speaking to us for election---but for major health problems. Now we know for sure---Biden current terrible SSR chart was a health related chart---not a major election chart. What a twist of fate for this election cycle! My main go to chart for any type of major contest is the SSR when I know for sure where the native is located for their SSRs. If Harris is at her residence in DC for her 2024 Oct SSR, IMO, she has outstanding symbolism for winning this election. I am well aware of Trump’s benefic SLR before election if he is at his Florida residence but he may not be at his Fl. Residence. Harris may not be at her DC residence for her Oct 2024 SSR. I doubt very seriously I will wager on this election because you have to risk more $ to win a smaller amount. If only we knew for sure weeks ago that Biden would redraw from election and the Party threw their full support behind Harris. Then the bettor could have gotten + 400-600 odds on Harris winning Prez.

Another great aspect I like for Harris winning is Bowser’s observation about her Jupiter-Regulus potential paran although Saturn is in this mix. But Jupiter-Saturn combos are great for managing large enterprises. I have a good feeling with Harris’s charts but got to wait and see about the location of her Oct 2024 SSR. Let’s see how the odds progress to Election Day.

[Jim Eshelman]

I'm curious what you think of Trump's SLR for the election, calculated for Mar-a-Lago, and how you think it fits into the larger picture.

[SteveS]

Jim, Trump’s pre-election Florida SLR does not fit for Harris winning the election. The only thing that makes sense to me is Trump will not be at his Florida residence for his Pre-election SLR. I think he will still be campaigning somewhere else in the country right-up to the day of the election; whereas, all Harris has to do is be at her DC residence for her Oct 20-21 SSR set-up—for high % winning Prez with her DC SSR. As usual—with return charts---we are in doubts where the native is located, particularly with the candidates that spend most of their pre-election activity on Jets.

[Jim Eshelman]

Jim, Trump’s pre-election Florida SLR does not fit for Harris winning the election.

Agreed. Except, returns (and astrological factors in general) don't show events. They show our experience and psychological state at the time. That's why I allowed that, at the very least, he is absolutely certain he won.

The only thing that makes sense to me is Trump will not be at his Florida residence for his Pre-election SLR.

He may well be somewhere else where it sets up. He would then also have the Mar-A-Lago chart once he returned (since lunars are adaptable: you get both locations). It seems to me that the chart for wherever he is the night before the election, around 7:30 PM on November 4, would have to be quite horrible.

If he were, say, in Scottsdale, AZ (makes sense, right?), he'd have a mundane Sun-Mars-Pluto paran right on the angles. I'm not sure that would be bad enough to offset the wonderful chart awaiting him when he went home to vote.

Of course, if in mid-September he's sentenced to more than 60 days in jail (his sentencing hearing is coming up), he could be in jail somewhere in New York at the time.

[SteveS]

It is indeed a puzzling Prez election situation Jim. I still will go by your and Bradley’s teachings about return charts, which I will post my observations when I know for sure where Harris is for her SSR. The only time I can remember the odds makers being wrong was the Prez election of 2016 and I think the 2016 Libsolar had Ur-Pl symbolism for the odds being reversed. We may have the same type situation with the 2024 Libsolar---I really don’t know. It’s gotten where with Gayle’s and my age, our main priorities are concerning out health conditions---it’s an ongoing problematic situation---aging sucks!!!

[Mike V]

That's why I allowed that, at the very least, he is absolutely certain he won.

While Lunars consistently score really high when analyzed for events, there are still sometimes partial or total duds - maybe this will be one of them. I think back to your mundane event posts, where you score solar and lunar ingresses, and quotidians, and such... in those trusted techniques, there are still a reasonable number of -1s and some -2s that appear in most of those events.

I'm just saying, I know we can only really attempt to predict events assuming that everything is more or less a +3... but they don't seem to actually reach that high bar most of the time, and certainly not universally.

[Jim Eshelman]

True, nothing is certain. It's all a matter of accelerating odds in a particular direction.

I am, however, not used to seeing duds for the specific technique of lunar and demi-lunar returns when they meet all the pristine characteristics: close angularities, exceedingly close (in this case a few minutes of orb) aspects, all signals pointing in the same direction, and a specific known significant event that they center around.

We can have doubt on which way things will work out (e.g., was Mars for my eye surgery only the cutting, minor pain, and inconvenience, or was there something to actually worry about?). I will be quite shocked if he's at that location and there isn't some decisively obvious match of conditions to the chart. (But... the same is true for the inauguration demi-lunar which points in the opposite direction.)

[SteveS]

On Election Day there is a partile 180 Mars-Pluto in the heavens. Although a somewhat wide almost 2 degree orb to Harris Natal Full Moon, I interpret this as a possible Harris election manifestation from Ebertin’s COSI combo of Mars-Pluto as:

Superhuman power. The ability to demonstrate extraordinary force and vigor, great self-confidence, obsessive about work, great ambition. Attainment of success through excessive effort.

What would this mean for Harris having this partile Mars-Pluto in the heavens as TIME being on her side? I think this would mean not only does she win the Prez, but she brings the majority of the House & Senate with her to the White House. She would be seen by her Party as some type of ‘Super Woman'.

Harris – 180
Trump --140

[Jim Eshelman]

I note that it misses her chart. It's out of orb and I don't recall that it's on angles of any major chart (e.g., SLR). The only "main player" that has it hit anything is Vance (it is partile to his Pluto), but this may not be anything too distinctive.

OTOH, it is a live aspect for the world at large. Everybody everywhere will be feeling it somewhat. Mars-Puto aspects often are accompanied by ferocious, often explosive, sometime violent unleashing of force. It's always broadly disrespectful of law. I suspect it only means what we already know will happen: A lot of power-grabbing through illegal activities.

[SteveS]

I understand Jim, you are interpreting this Mars-Pluto transit as a malefic influence for the world at large. I am interpreting this transit as a strong possibility as being a part of Harris benefic election influences because of what I am witnessing with the betting odds with Harris gaining on Trump on a weekly basis. Lets see what the odds are on election night? I can't see the Independent Voters voting for another 'old man' for the White House. I think they are looking for someone with 'vigor' and a smile vs a snarl with less and less mobility.

[Jim Eshelman]

What beneficial effect are you anticipating? This is usually a quite malefic aspect but, of course, one person's hurt could be another's benefit.

If I thought it actually was in or of her Sun-Moon, I'd interpret it as taking her out - a final, devastating punch. I'm glad it's not in orb.

[Veronica]

Jim, when ever I see a Venus Pluto aspect my mind pulls out your words of "all or nothing in love." I had been working through some concepts of planetary pairs (Venus contrasting to Mars, Saturn contrasting to Jupiter and wondered if Mars Pluto aspect also has that "all or nothing" quality but in a more active agression. I didnt want to necessarily jump to the idea of all or nothing in War, but is that a correct association?

[SteveS]

Jim asked:

What beneficial effect are you anticipating?

As I have already stated: I see Ebertin’s COSI benefic interpretation for Mars-Pluto combo’s as being a part of the partile Mars-Pluto 180 transit to Harris Natal Full Moon. If I am right with Ebertin’s COSI benefic manifestation for Mars-Pluto influence to Harris Full Moon, this means to me she carries a majority of the House and Senate with her to the White House. But, if we see the negative of Mars-Pluto manifest on/right after Election Day, then I will be the first to admit my interpretation is wrong, and your interpretation is right. I am allowing the wide orb of this Mars-Pluto transit to Harris Full Moon, because it will be the most important day of her entire life, and I know she is working her aff off for her Party to win.

[Mike V]

If I am right with Ebertin’s COSI benefic manifestation for Mars-Pluto influence to Harris Full Moon, this means to me she carries a majority of the House and Senate with her to the White House.
[...]
I am allowing the wide orb of this Mars-Pluto transit to Harris Full Moon, because it will be the most important day of her entire life, and I know she is working her aff off for her Party to win.

It sounds like you're interpreting Mars-Pluto (outside partile orb) to natal Sun-Moon as "unstoppable will and force resulting in decisive victory" - is that a fair paraphrase?

[SteveS]

Mike wrote:

It sounds like you're interpreting Mars-Pluto (outside partile orb) to natal Sun-Moon as "unstoppable will and force resulting in decisive victory" - is that a fair paraphrase?

Exactly Mike! I think Harris Natal Full Moon is special and the main Natal Signature which has carried her so far in her political career life, she has done amazing things in her political career. And because soon she will be facing on Election Day the most important career day of her entire life---the partile transiting Mars-Pluto 180 on Election Day will become an important transit involving her Natal Full Moon lights. Obviously, this Mars-Pluto transit to her lights either is symbolizing a victory or defeat, and if her 2024 SSR sets-up in DC (her residence)---then I think this Mars-Pluto transit to her lights will be symbolizing some type of benefic “Superhuman” force for a victory. If her 2024 SSR does not set-up in DC—then I think this same transit of Mars-Pluto will manifest in a malefic way for a defeat for her political career life.

[SteveS]

Harris --185
Trump--135

[SteveS]

Harris - 175
Trump -145

[Jim Eshelman]

It narrowed!

[SteveS]

Harris -- 140
Trump -- 120

[Arena]

Steve, you seem to be very biased in your judgement and approach to the very malefic Mars-Pluto opposition to Harris' full moon aspect. Perhaps it's best not to bet money until days before the elections.

We still have a few more weeks to go to the elections so there's no reason to take betting odds in this particular moment as the final deal. Look in the 2 weeks before elections.

We just witnessed a complete flop in the Democrats court and a totally brilliant political strategy/move in Trumps rally with the RFK surprise. I noticed this totally brilliant strategy, as an outside observer and not a voter in the US.

I want to emphasize here that I do believe the political brilliance comes from RFK Jr. He's probably the most intelligent of these three people and he has integrity and charisma. It's too bad he doesn't have his voice in full strength.

Let's analyze as we usually would as astrologers and not as voters. A brutally malefic aspect is just that, it does not suddenly turn into a super positive aspect right before elections. Do you remember the Mars-Pluto symbolism in JFK's assassination?

IF it turns out to help Harris win, I would suspect it has something to do with the extreme war mongers (the shadow rulers/deep state) and possibly illegal activities, even to the extremes of assasinating her opponent (as they already tried a couple of weeks ago) to make sure their preferred candidate is in the white house during the next few years backing their war-mongering.

As an astrologer (and not a biased voter) just look at what a Mars-Pluto hard aspect usually means. It is a brutal force, typical for wars, extreme conflict, sometimes violence and or sexual abuse and sometimes very serious defeat/illness.

From Jim's writings:

Mars-Pluto

PRINCIPLE: Forced or blocked power, belligerent individuality

Congenial, gentle behavior sits atop a stockpile of force: energy, character strength, will (in many cases, creative success) if not overly tangled with conflict. Expressing strength is “all or nothing,” either freely, cleanly expressed or resisted, blocked, suppressed (rare over-compensation can be brutal, destructive). Health is reflected in how cleanly appropriate anger is expressed. Unexpressed energies can attract conflict (even violence) or erupt in a health crisis (e.g., over-strain, burnout). Sexual energies potent, often forbidden, or poured into driven work. Forceful efforts to live outside others’ rules may lead to law-breaking or other antisocial trouble.

[Veronica]

whoa, as a human being and a citizen of Earth I'm just gonna say I feel sad, confused and slightly miffed when I see/read such ugly words about ANY aspect. In my mind, when I read such harsh nasty words about an aspect, words that almost feel like the epitome of evil and ugliness and vileness......my heart skips a beat and my soul screams STFU. Holy molly what if there was some really struggling hard working person trying to survive and make sence of the world and heard that they have this doomed to yuckies aspect....those negative words could make someone give up, loose heart, succumb to the lowest common denominator and stop. As astrologers we should know better. And to quote the beautiful Maya..." When we know better, we should do better"
as a human being with some traditionally malignant aspects herself I say again that this idea of malicious aspects in a natal is complete hog wash, and I fully understand that word. But I'll quote Kamala who was quoting another person when she said... Say it to my face...Kamala has definitely brought to light how wrong our traditional delineations are in the sence that they do not bring to light the magnificent qualities any and all aspects can have within the context of a good loving nurturing environment and support and love.
I know a really great guy with a strong Pluto Mars aspect and yea, he may be a bit strong for some peoples tastes but he's not forcing himself on people.
Btw to circle back to the topic, as a registered Independent voter I was disappointed in my parts choice this year, and I was proven correct that he was a poor choice by his choice to quit my party. I feel that was a horrible spiteful malicious and intentional slap to his family, a complete childlike tantrum. Which I suppose shows why he joined the other children.

[Arena]

Veronica, I am NOT talking about a Mars-Pluto natal aspect. If you read Steve's post he's specifically noticing a Mars-Pluto transit aspect close to Kamala's natal Moon-Sun opposition.

I'm simply quoting and shedding a light on how brutal this transiting aspect can be. It has nothing to do with me at all, it's simply how astrologers have always looked at this potentially very dangerous aspect.

Don't kill the messenger, if there's any evil anywhere, it's potentially in this brutal transit.

You may also have noticed Jim's post about Trump's assassination attempt where we saw the Mars-Uranus & Pluto symbolism at play.

You may possibly remember that I recently expressed my worries about this aspect showing up in my daughters next SSR and both Steve and Jim agreed that it might be wise to try to move her elsewhere to avoid having this brutal aspect come near her SSR angles.

However, when it comes to the natal aspect- we have indeed noticed it in people who have been accused of sexual violent behaviour, and have possibly encountered that kind of violence in their childhood as well (as reported by Kevin's brother) such as Woody Allen and Kevin Spacey ... and I've also seen it in people I know have been sexually abused.
Mars-Neptune tight aspects are also seen with brutality such as in Charles Manson's case.

I'm not saying anything about your friend or anyone else's friend.

[SteveS]

Arena wrote:

Steve, you seem to be very biased in your judgement and approach to the very malefic Mars-Pluto opposition to Harris' full moon aspect.

I am only offering an opinion on how I am interpreting the Mars-Pluto transit to her full moon, mainly becasue of the potential for her 2024 SSR. I think the Mars-Pluto combo offers her superhuman qualities. She has already broken fund raising records for her Party which speaks for itself and will go a long way in getting other party representatives elected for Congress/Senate.
Arena wrote:

Perhaps it's best not to bet money until days before the elections.

I have not wagered on this election and the only way I will wager is if Harris is in DC for her 2024 SSR set-up AND if she is an even odds or underdog to win the election. Very rarely will I wager on anything unless I get the odds in my favor, never do I lay the odds.
Arena wrote:

We just witnessed a complete flop in the Democrats court and a totally brilliant political strategy/move in Trumps rally with the RFK surprise. I noticed this totally brilliant strategy, as an outside viewer and not a voter in the US.

I don’t pay much attention to any type of political news, but pay a-lot of attention to astrology with what I feel is a valid AA bt.
Arena wrote:

As an astrologer (and not a biased voter) just look at what a Mars-Pluto hard aspect usually means.

I have already stated I think Harris has good chances of reaping the benefic influences of a Mars-Pluto combo for “Super Human” qualities. When it comes to a "fighting" contest, I always feel a Mars-Pluto combo has 50% for winning any kind of important "battle" Arena. Arena, are you making a prediction as an astrologer on this election? The last time I voted in a Prez election was 1992---so my astrological predictions on Prez elections are always un-biased.

[Arena]

No I'm not making a prediction as an astrologer yet, since I've not looked into all the relevant aspects and transits on election day. I'm also not making remarks about the candidates as such, other than RFK Jr i n this particular instance having come up with a brilliant political strategy (as a brilliant chess player would).

You may remember from another thread that I did correctly predict the physical demise of Biden and I predicted that he might not be a candidate since he might have to pull out because of his health. That was not predicted from a malefic person nor any kind of malefic or evil intent, the prediction was simply made observing very strong and repeated Saturn vibes in transits and solar arcs.

However, I do admit I remember noticing this Mars-Pluto aspect some months back when Kamala was not even a potential candidate yet and I remember the scare I got from it. To me, it means that there will likely be some kind of brutal and violent force / incident close to election day. I'm not stating this observation to be mean to anyone at all, it's simply an observation. I certainly don't want to see any harm done to any of them.

I'm simply stating what astrologers have indeed stated many times in the past about this particular aspect.

[SteveS]

Arena wrote:

I'm simply stating what astrologers have indeed stated many times in the past about this particular aspect.

I understand Arena, we are just vocing different opinions.

[Jim Eshelman]

I think it a mistake not to distinguish between the context in which an aspect occurs, e. G., Mars-Pluto in a natal is quite different from a transiting Mars-Pluto aspect. (And both are different from t Mars to r Pluto and t Pluto to r Mars.) One of the great weaknesses of CSI is that it utterly fails to make these distinctions.)

Someone having a natal Mars-Pluto aspect may indeed exercise great power. That's one of the most common expressions.

But transiting Mars azpecting natal Pluto is quite differentm. It means that the exercise of great power isn't experienced as within oneself but, rather, as impacting a person from the outside. That is, one gets pounded instead of doing the pounding. (One is on the recilieving end.)

Fortunately IMO this isn't very close to anything in her chart nor foreground in any of her returns AFAWK at the moment. She may indeed get pounded - or may do the pounding - but neither will be from this disconnected aspect.

[Arena]

Steve's observation and mine were stated above to be t. Mars opp t. Pluto and that opposition is square Kamala's Moon-Sun opposition on election day.

I just took a quick look at her solar arcs and transits as well and I notice the following:
T. Nep square dir Moon-Sun opposition
Dir Sat conjunct (within 1,5°) r. Moon-Sun and dir Sat partile sq t. Pluto (can indicate a loss).
Dir. Pluto on r. Nep.
T. Sat partile opp r. Uranus

Dir. Jupiter is out of the 3°orb to be considered a winner's aspect here, but she will likely be promoted in about 2-3 years.

When looking at how dir and transiting planets are interacting with her relocated chart to DC, I notice some more important things:
Dir. Mars partile local IC.
Dir. Nep partile local WP.

I've not had a look at her lunar or solar return relevant for the election day.
T. Jup is nearing her local dir. MC, but slightly out of partile orb.

She has very malefic vibes for the election - but I believe that dir. Jup will enhance her life in about 3 years, that also means the Saturn-Pluto vibes will have passed.

[Veronica]

Steve, you seem to be very biased in your judgement and approach to the very malefic Mars-Pluto opposition to Harris' full moon aspect. Perhaps it's best not to bet money until days before the elections.

We still have a few more weeks to go to the elections so there's no reason to take betting odds in this particular moment as the final deal. Look in the 2 weeks before elections.

We just witnessed a complete flop in the Democrats court and a totally brilliant political strategy/move in Trumps rally with the RFK surprise. I noticed this totally brilliant strategy, as an outside observer and not a voter in the US.

I want to emphasize here that I do believe the political brilliance comes from RFK Jr. He's probably the most intelligent of these three people and he has integrity and charisma. It's too bad he doesn't have his voice in full strength.

Let's analyze as we usually would as astrologers and not as voters. A brutally malefic aspect is just that, it does not suddenly turn into a super positive aspect right before elections. Do you remember the Mars-Pluto symbolism in JFK's assassination?

IF it turns out to help Harris win, I would suspect it has something to do with the extreme war mongers (the shadow rulers/deep state) and possibly illegal activities, even to the extremes of assasinating her opponent (as they already tried a couple of weeks ago) to make sure their preferred candidate is in the white house during the next few years backing their war-mongering.

As an astrologer (and not a biased voter) just look at what a Mars-Pluto hard aspect usually means. It is a brutal force, typical for wars, extreme conflict, sometimes violence and or sexual abuse and sometimes very serious defeat/illness.

From Jim's writings:

Mars-Pluto

PRINCIPLE: Forced or blocked power, belligerent individuality

Congenial, gentle behavior sits atop a stockpile of force: energy, character strength, will (in many cases, creative success) if not overly tangled with conflict. Expressing strength is “all or nothing,” either freely, cleanly expressed or resisted, blocked, suppressed (rare over-compensation can be brutal, destructive). Health is reflected in how cleanly appropriate anger is expressed. Unexpressed energies can attract conflict (even violence) or erupt in a health crisis (e.g., over-strain, burnout). Sexual energies potent, often forbidden, or poured into driven work. Forceful efforts to live outside others’ rules may lead to law-breaking or other antisocial trouble.

I would like to use this post as an example as why I feel it is inappropriate to go back into a post made public and drastically change the entire message, after people have already commented on the original post. The words and message in this amended post give quite a different slant and meaning then the original post. I feel that if a person feels like they need to reiterate, expound or elaborate or clarify their message then that should either be done in a new post, or that the amended comments are noted as such and that the original message should still be displayed, imo simply adding a “edited by so and so, so many times is inadequate and in a scientific field such as Sidereal astrology is it’s just not proper.
I understand back peddling on ideas and feelings and encourage self reflection on our thoughts, feelings and messages, I flip something’s myself after I’ve had a pause to reflect but when I see this behavior in posting online it gives me creeps and reminds me some behaviors I have seen in which one party is trying to deface, defraud, malign or undermine another. It is not fair to the parties who responded to the original post to not let them know the author they are responding to has changed their view or altered their message and that they (the responder to the post) should carefully reread the message they have responded to as they may need to (properly and appropriately) have a chance to voice their opinions and insight into the new statement.

[Arena]

Veronica, I noticed right away that you had not understood my post as it was originally posted. You did not understand I was clearly (as was Steve) talking about the transiting Mars-Pluto aspect. When you had uttered your response and clearly stated your misunderstanding of my words, I went back to read through the whole post and I did not understand at all how you could have misinterpreted it. So I simply went back into it to add clarification and distinction between the transit and natal aspects. This is imho a very very good way to make sure you are communicating what you always intended to communicate and a good way to make things very clear for future references.

It is very obvious to any reader that you totally misunderstood me and you even painted me out to be malicious and evil. I decided to ignore that since I know people often write things when they are upset in the spur of the moment. When they calm down, they usually are able to read into things in a very different manner.

Making it very clear where I was coming from was in this case necessary, although I did think I did so already with my first post. This just shows how people can misunderstand the words of another when they are not spoken aloud to ones face and with the right voice emphasis and possible feedback.

Thank you for your exchange Veronica, I do not want to fight with you at all.
What I did was state my observations on a t. Mars-Pluto aspect.... adding a bit about the natal one since you misunderstood me - and adding that I am most certainly neither evil or have any malicious intent towards the relevant candidates. I do however despise the deep state/shadow power forces that have been in power in the US (and elsewhere) for a very long while. I am not ashamed of saying it.

[SteveS]

Jim wrote:

Someone having a natal Mars-Pluto aspect may indeed exercise great power. That's one of the most common expressions.

I hear you Jim and totally agree! Not to entirely dispute the other content in your above post Jim, I understand where you are coming from-- but you got me to digging deeper into her Natal . I would like to point out K Harris was born with a direct midpoint of Mars/Pluto = MC 0,57. With my work with direct midpoints involving the lights or angles this is a most important aspect in Harris Natal, it explains much about her career/character that her standard horoscope does not. IMO, it is the one natal midpoint aspect that has earned her the reputation as one of the fiercest prosecutors ever known in the political world. She does not let anyone get away with political crap! She possesses natural “Super Human” political powers IMO. Tom Brady was born with a direct midpoint of Mars/Pluto = Sun and no one gave him a chance of becoming a Super Human force as an NFL QB. If Harris does win this election bringing a majority of Senate & Congress with her to WH, she will become clearly recognized as a Super Human political force. Jim, you should know more about her career-character than me since she got her political foothold in California. I just find it so fascinating that Harris is in the position she is now politically by a twist of fate with Biden dropping out of the Prez race, and now has a better chance of winning Prez than Trump.

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I decided to check out Trump's transits, progressions and solar arcs for election day as well.
I notice the following:

Progr. and dir. MC once in a lifetime partile r. Pluto.
pr. Ur partile Nnode and pr. Nnode partile r. Uranus.
Pr. Moon partile sq. r. Pluto
Pr. Jup partile sq. r. Venus
Pr. Venus conj. dir. Jup.
Dir. Nep conj. r. Moon & Snode.
Tr. Jup partile r. Nnode and almost partile opp r. Moon.
T. Ur 1,21° from r. MC.
T. Ven partile opp r. Sun.

T. Sat and t. Pluto NOT in partile aspect to anything in the natal chart.

I haven't looked at the SSR and SLR yet.
These are much more on a positive note than Kamala's above. I forgot Kamala's progressions, I'll add them above as well.

I'll have a look at the other charts later, but I think these are already very telling who has more positive vibes from the universe as in planetary alignments.