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Venus_Daily wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 12:56 pm Anyway, my trip is coming up in less than 2 months, and I'm curious. What what is the difference between having a strong lunar aspect in the background vs conjunct in the foreground. I know the moon kind of creates its pwn angle when aspecting planets but how is it changed when in the foreground?
To a great extent, no major difference. But there is SOME difference.

Second only to the general rule that Moon aspects in SSRs are always important, my old rul of thumb still seems about right: Foreground and middleground Moon aspects get full priority. Background Moon aspects only give them strong priority if the rest of the chart points in a compatible direction or the aspect is within about 1°. viewtopic.php?f=20&t=233

Consider Joe Biden's current SSR: The only two angular planets are the two Neptunes 3-4° from angles. He then also has Moon square natal Saturn (1°17') in the almost-background part of the middleground.

Remind me, where is your trip? Somewhere in Japan IIRC?
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Jim Eshelman wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 1:03 pm
Venus_Daily wrote: Fri Jul 12, 2024 12:56 pm Anyway, my trip is coming up in less than 2 months, and I'm curious. What what is the difference between having a strong lunar aspect in the background vs conjunct in the foreground. I know the moon kind of creates its pwn angle when aspecting planets but how is it changed when in the foreground?
To a great extent, no major difference. But there is SOME difference.

Second only to the general rule that Moon aspects in SSRs are always important, my old rul of thumb still seems about right: Foreground and middleground Moon aspects get full priority. Background Moon aspects only give them strong priority if the rest of the chart points in a compatible direction or the aspect is within about 1°. viewtopic.php?f=20&t=233

Consider Joe Biden's current SSR: The only two angular planets are the two Neptunes 3-4° from angles. He then also has Moon square natal Saturn (1°17') in the almost-background part of the middleground.

Remind me, where is your trip? Somewhere in Japan IIRC?
Yes, Jim! Hiroshima!
Not only does it turn the Moon/Venus cnj into a paran, it also makes Natal Venus Angular & foreground.
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Jim Eshelman wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:28 pm Not negative at all UNLESS you consider dismantling current situations to be negative.

The aspects, for now, are called "prime vertical parans" (PVP) and are mundane aspects between a planet on the prime vertical and another on the horizon or meridian.
I think my SSR manifested tonight a bit early. I had an episode with my mother. We argued about my physical appearance and how am in fact unattractive, physically to men. We talked about my last date, and she did encourage me to be realistic about my propects. Needless to say, I do understand where she's coming and why I keep getting such bad results.
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Jim Eshelman wrote: Wed Jul 10, 2024 7:52 pm r Pluto on IC -5°13'
t Venus on Asc -1°10'
t Sun on EP-a -0°31'
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t Pluto on WP +1°06'

t Pluto sq r Pluto 0°09'
t Sun-Pluto op 1°41' M
t Venus sq r Pluto 2°00' M
t Sun sq r Pluto 2°30'

There is another type of aspect we're experimenting with. We know it works for ingresses and we're watching to see how it behaves for return charts. Let me emphasize - we don't know that these work! But here they are in case the two weeks emphatically match or don't match them.

t Jupiter op r Uranus 0°25' p
t Venus sq r Uranus 0°50' p
t Venus-Jupiter sq 1°24' p
Well, my SLR manifested today at 1:34PM. I thought it would have to do more with my body dysmorphia, but out of the blue I was contacted by that man I met in Florida. Extremely sweet, but too young for me. 16 year age gap, and after meeting the 40 year old gentleman, I can definitely say I like him much more than this younger man, but I don't think this 40 year old gentleman likes me too much.
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Definitely hints at the Venus-Jupiter-Uranus combined themes, it seems (on first impression).
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Jim Eshelman wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2024 1:39 pm Definitely hints at the Venus-Jupiter-Uranus combined themes, it seems (on first impression).
How do u calculate pvp?
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Venus_Daily wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2024 1:53 pm
Jim Eshelman wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2024 1:39 pm Definitely hints at the Venus-Jupiter-Uranus combined themes, it seems (on first impression).
How do u calculate pvp?
It's complicated - but, in the near future, Time Matters will calculate it for you.

0. The concept is: Identify planets close to the prime vertical that are in three-dimensional square to other planets near the horizon or meridian.

1. Consider only planets within 3° of the prime vertical in azimuth (azimuth within 3° of 90° or 270°).

2. PVP conjunctions and oppositions: Using only these planets, are they within orb of conjunction or opposition of each other in azimuth.

3. PVP squares to meridian: Are any of these planets in square aspect to other planets that are foreground on MC or IC?

4. PVP squares to horizon: Are any of these planets match or opposite the Meridian Longitude of other planets that are foreground near Asc or Dsc.
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Jim Eshelman wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2024 2:04 pm
Venus_Daily wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2024 1:53 pm
Jim Eshelman wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2024 1:39 pm Definitely hints at the Venus-Jupiter-Uranus combined themes, it seems (on first impression).
How do u calculate pvp?
It's complicated - but, in the near future, Time Matters will calculate it for you.

0. The concept is: Identify planets close to the prime vertical that are in three-dimensional square to other planets near the horizon or meridian.

1. Consider only planets within 3° of the prime vertical in azimuth (azimuth within 3° of 90° or 270°).

2. PVP conjunctions and oppositions: Using only these planets, are they within orb of conjunction or opposition of each other in azimuth.

3. PVP squares to meridian: Are any of these planets in square aspect to other planets that are foreground on MC or IC?

4. PVP squares to horizon: Are any of these planets match or opposite the Meridian Longitude of other planets that are foreground near Asc or Dsc.
I have no idea what you said, we need an excel spreadsheet
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Venus_Daily wrote: Sun Jul 21, 2024 1:27 am I have no idea what you said, we need an excel spreadsheet
We have one, and it's not that easy to understand either. All is does is calculate the Meridian Longitude (which Time Matters now does also on every chart - in the ML column) and then you have to know what to do with it.

The astrologer-friendly solution will be for these to hen TM adds these in the not-too-distant future.
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So, synchronicity is quite strange. I've been trying to keep an open mind about things, but I was going over my SSR, and this guy who contacted me gave me his general birth data. March 28th, 2000. Turns out, his natal sun is exactly opposite my new SSR's Moon/Venus conjunction. Now he's a nice guy, but way too young, way to unconventional, not masculine enough for my extremely conventional and feminine tastes. This past Solar Year, with traveling and all has helped me to understand that I really need to push forward and change my life to attract the influences I do want into my life. It's hard because I don't want to feel like I'm making choices out of desperation. I obviously know that I'm an incredibly seductive and nurturing person, but I don't know if following my heart, best judgement, and good intentions for others will leave me alone or shut off opportunities. Settling at my old job, I wasn't happy, but I thought it was because I thought it was a safe opportunity, until I was ejected by the universe and realized it was never really a good fit. This seems like one of those situations.
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Jim Eshelman wrote: Sun Jul 21, 2024 7:23 am
Venus_Daily wrote: Sun Jul 21, 2024 1:27 am I have no idea what you said, we need an excel spreadsheet
We have one, and it's not that easy to understand either. All is does is calculate the Meridian Longitude (which Time Matters now does also on every chart - in the ML column) and then you have to know what to do with it.

The astrologer-friendly solution will be for these to hen TM adds these in the not-too-distant future.

Jim, I was just wondering if there's any PVP aspects for my Sep 13 2024 SLR? Also, we're there any PVP aspects for July 28th 2007? Lots of psychic occurrences going on for that time.
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Venus_Daily wrote: Fri Jul 26, 2024 4:23 pm Jim, I was just wondering if there's any PVP aspects for my Sep 13 2024 SLR? Also, we're there any PVP aspects for July 28th 2007? Lots of psychic occurrences going on for that time.
Both for your home?

9/13/24: No. There are no planets within 3° of the prime vertical in azimuth. The chart is primarily Moon-Venus-Pluto with Venus only 0°02' from IC.

7/28/2007: Yes, looks like there were. The chart without these is transiting Sun on Ascendant and natal Pluto on IC (not in aspect).

Checking for PVP aspects, we get these (wow):

t Sun-Pluto sq 0°38'
t Jupiter co r Uranus 0°46'
t Pluto co r Uranus 1°03'
t Jupiter-Pluto co 1°49'
t Sun sq r Uranus 1°51'
t Sun-Jupiter sq 2°57'
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Thank You, Jim. My SLR for Aug 17 looks fine, but relocated to Hiroshima, it looks horrible. Two Malefics & two benefics angular and aspecting eachother. Should I cancel my trip? Or does the fact that it was set up here in America count more? I'm kinda scared now. Even my Demi SLR has Mars exactly conjunct the Asc.
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Where will you be when it sets up?
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Jim Eshelman wrote: Fri Jul 26, 2024 9:59 pm Where will you be when it sets up?
Here in the US, I leave on the 31st.
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Venus_Daily wrote: Fri Jul 26, 2024 9:38 pm Thank You, Jim. My SLR for Aug 17 looks fine, but relocated to Hiroshima, it looks horrible. Two Malefics & two benefics angular and aspecting eachother. Should I cancel my trip? Or does the fact that it was set up here in America count more? I'm kinda scared now. Even my Demi SLR has Mars exactly conjunct the Asc.
First, remember that you are going there for an excellent solar return, which will be the major chart of the time. I think this alone outweighs any need for worry. It reminds me of my wife's charts at the end of May: We had travelled to Houston to get her a fantastic solar return (mission accomplished) and, while still there, she had a demi-lunar that - under normal conditions - we'd have preferred to avoid. The only negatives on the trip were things like having to drive through a torrential hour-long rainstorm that was a little scary and a couple disappointing things that turned into better things. (In fact, we both kept observing that the theme of the trip seemed to be, "Bad things happen that turn out to be the shortest path to really good things happening.")

Your August 16 SLR sets up in Kingsville with transiting Moon and Pluto and natal Moon, Jupiter, and Pluto foreground. The only foreground aspects are the Moon and Pluto square your Pluto. I think "fine" is a good word for it: The only benefic or malefic foreground is natal Jupiter widely foreground. Nothing is very close to angles. The Moon-Pluto to Pluto aspects often mean "I need to get out of town" and might mean this is a once-in-a-lifetime sort of trip.

But I see what you mean: When you get to Hiroshima you get some really close angularities including bringing a 0°30' Mars-Saturn square exactly to the angles. There is a strong mix of both benefics and malefics and some of the mixed combinations are a little worrisome. I think, though, that you need to keep in mind that both benefics and malefics are powerful; e.g., Mars squares Saturn but so does Jupiter. Saturn (wide orb) opposes your Sun and Venus (partile orb) conjoins your Sun. For everybody else's reference, here are the angularities:

t Mars MC -0°35'
t Saturn WP -0°01'
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t Jupiter MC +0°33'
t Venus EP-a +0°15'

r Sun Asc +5°15'
r Mars IC +6°53'

r Uranus IC +7°31'

I admit it's a little intimidating seeing that Saturn jump out a mere 0°01' from square MC (i.e., on WP). However, both major benefics and malefics are within 1° of angles. Let's use my scoring system (that I've used for a couple of years now and I'm very happy with its results) to look at this objectively:

Malefic = 15, Benefic = 13
Dignity = 9, Indignity = 7
Spotlight - 3, Change = 1

The malefic and benefic scores are nearly the same. Yes, malefic is slightly higher, but by so small an amount that it really doesn't matter. This is a "mixed tone" chart - a "good things happen and bad things happen" chart. If there is bad stuff, it's offset by protection.

I agree that this chart will be more influential than the Texas version while you are in Hiroshima. I think this because the Texas chart isn't very loud - it doesn't have much going on - it's as if the band doesn't start playing until you get to Japan.

So what to expect: First, remember that the overall tone is mixed - benefics matched with malefics. Second, thing of the things that the chart suggests could go wrong and make sure you're covered for them. Some thoughts: Since there is a Mars-Saturn square, what is your medical coverage? I imagine that, as a nurse, you have good health coverage - does this extend to overseas travel? I imagine the Japanese health care system is excellent but I really don't know for sure - so look into that just a little.

When I look over the aspects, the malefic aspect to Jupiter make me wonder about money. Things might cost more than expected - or hidden costs. When travelling in unfamiliar places, always make sure your money is safe (by just a little more careful than usual).

Of course, make sure you have all the contact information for the U.S. consulate with you. Keep a written copy in case something happens to your phone. Take a couple of extra charging cords and a high capacity battery pack or two so you don't find yourself stranded with an uncharged (and temporarily unchargeable) phone.

As I look at the other negatives, I don't see things that could harm you. For example, Venus opposite Saturn won't harm you - at worst, it could disappoint you. So buffer yourself psychologically by remembering this is an adventure and keep watching what the adventure brings you rather than worrying that every exact plan doesn't come out right.

And then there are the good things. There is the Venus-Jupiter conjunction. The adventure side of the Mars-Jupiter conjunction. Venus within 1° of conjunct your Sun. If you had ONLY this one chart to go by, it would likely be at least an OK trip, provided you take a couple of prudent cautions and remember that this kind of travel always has little problems - logistical things that don't work out quite right, a little physical hardship and getting tired and putting stress on your body - but the fun makes it worth all that.

And... most importantly... this isn't the only chart in play. You also have the new solar return! And that's a beauty.
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You asked about the August 29 demi-lunar. This is the more immediate chart - there's a good chance it will outweigh the SLR anyway (I just didn't want to short-change looking at the full SLR, just in case - and because you asked). Here are the angularities of the demi-lunar for Hiroshima:

r Sun Asc -8°10'
r Jupiter Dsc -7°04'

r Neptune Dsc -3°43'
r Uranus WP-a -0°10'
t Mars Asc -0°16'
t Sun IC -0°04'
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r Mars WP-a +0°38'

t Jupiter +5°36'
r Mercury IC +8°32'

You expressed worry about the Mars. Indeed, a transiting Sun-Mars square is overwhelmingly strongest in this chart. (Your own natal Sun-Mars square is also foreground and, by mundane aspect, is nearly partile in this return chart.)

With Sun strongest, and with no Saturn (and the only Neptune being natal Neptune, moderately foreground), I wouldn't worry if this were my chart. You will be physically active - burning a lot of energy - it might feel arduous - you might get some scrapes and bruises that will have roughly the psychological impact of kids getting scrapes and bruises while out playing. Travel is arduous if you aren't used to it - it's hard work! - so I always expect a little malefic presence. If we were to take a textbook, prewritten view of this dominant transiting Sun-Mars square (remembering that Sun is stronger, which always places you more in the driver's seat), we get this:
Identity attaches to power and combat; seeks self-satisfaction through increased aggression, sex, fighting, and destroying obstacles, limits, and opponents; provokes others (may have wounds to lick afterwards); "might makes right." Temperament is more fiery (violent, explosive, destructive); loses temper easily; takes (fearless or reckless) risks to impress others and enhance own importance (successful or not according to other indications). Inhibitions released, the animal within is unleashed, forgets or belittles civilization's more wholesome standards. At best: construction, mechanical ingenuity, spending much energy in hard work, clears the jungle. At worst: roams the jungle.
I think what the transiting Sun-Mars and natal Sun-Mars-Uranus so closely foreground means is that this is an adventure - a wonderful break-out exploration - and not the sort of vacation you're going to waste by sitting around and trying to relax somewhere. (FWIW, this is the sort of trips Marion and I always take: It seems such a waste of a vacation to sit around somewhere, since I can do that at home. We are non-stop doing something.)
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And then here is your SSR for the central coordinates of Hiroshima:

t Venus WP-a +0°21'
t Moon WP-a +0°31'

r Venus Dsc +2°37'
t Neptune Asc +5°49'
r Jupiter +6°16'


t Neptune sq r Jupiter 0°26' M
t Moon-Venus co 0°35' M
t Moon co r Venus 0°53' M

t Venus co r Venus 1°28' M
r Venus-Jupiter sq 1°42'

That's a beauty!
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I have heard from people who went to Japan to be prepared for walking. Dont try and break in a new pair of shoes, wear your comfy walking shoes and not sandles or flip flops. Dont forget sunscreen, sun glasses and a wide hat. Dont wear jewelry, carry an expensive handbag or flashy clothes, keeping in mind their culture of modesty I wouldnt wear low cut or clothes that show your skin. I dont know the tipping or gratuity rules there but you should familiarize yourself with their rules of when, how much and whom to tip and then do so generously within your budget.
What a beautiful and wonderful adventure for you! I cant wait to hear about your favorite parts!
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Veronica wrote: Sun Jul 28, 2024 5:32 am I have heard from people who went to Japan to be prepared for walking. Dont try and break in a new pair of shoes, wear your comfy walking shoes and not sandles or flip flops. Dont forget sunscreen, sun glasses and a wide hat. Dont wear jewelry, carry an expensive handbag or flashy clothes, keeping in mind their culture of modesty I wouldnt wear low cut or clothes that show your skin. I dont know the tipping or gratuity rules there but you should familiarize yourself with their rules of when, how much and whom to tip and then do so generously within your budget.
What a beautiful and wonderful adventure for you! I cant wait to hear about your favorite parts!
Thank you, Veronica. Yes. I'm excited and scared at the same time I'm feeling a mixture of emotions.
Jim Eshelman wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 7:36 am And then here is your SSR for the central coordinates of Hiroshima:

t Venus WP-a +0°21'
t Moon WP-a +0°31'

r Venus Dsc +2°37'
t Neptune Asc +5°49'
r Jupiter +6°16'


t Neptune sq r Jupiter 0°26' M
t Moon-Venus co 0°35' M
t Moon co r Venus 0°53' M

t Venus co r Venus 1°28' M
r Venus-Jupiter sq 1°42'

That's a beauty!
I'm excited..I don't think it's pointing to any particular event perse, possibly just a good year with a great background vibe. I've done a lot if self reflection lately, and I've come to realize that certain things are oug of my grasp, and I need to turn to spirituality and the love I have for God.
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I've done a lot if self reflection lately, and I've come to realize that certain things are oug of my grasp, and I need to turn to spirituality and the love I have for God.
Wisdom here Venus--well spoken. I struggled mightly with certain troubling issues in my life. My wife taught me somethings are meant to be and we would be wise to learn to release those issues that we can't change. I had to learn the issues that trouble me the most in life were discovered in my Natal Chart, and they were indeed "meant to be." I learned to "release" these troubling issues back to the Universe from whence they came to my life. When I released em, my life became calmer and less troubling, wishing the same for you.
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SteveS wrote: Sun Jul 28, 2024 7:50 am
I've done a lot if self reflection lately, and I've come to realize that certain things are oug of my grasp, and I need to turn to spirituality and the love I have for God.
Wisdom here Venus--well spoken. I struggled mightly with certain troubling issues in my life. My wife taught me somethings are meant to be and we would be wise to learn to release those issues that we can't change. I had to learn the issues that trouble me the most in life were discovered in my Natal Chart, and they were indeed "meant to be." I learned to "release" these troubling issues back to the Universe from whence they came to my life. When I released em, my life became calmer and less troubling, wishing the same for you.
Thank you, Steve! That's been one of the hardest lessons in my life is letting go! I never realized this, but my Uranus/Mars causes so much anxiety because I always feel like I have to +fight+ to +change+ things....and I've wasted too much time and energy doing this
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I understand Venus, the same for me with my Mars. I use to beat myself up all the time blaming myself for the Mars things in my life which caused me so much grief. Then one day I realized I was born to experience my grief with my Natal Mars and its structures. I finally realized I had two choices: 1: I could continue to experience my Natal Mars in hurtful ways for my life or I could release the struggles my Natal Mars was creating in my life. I once had a high grade psychic tell me the main problem all the people who came to see her was they did not know how to release their troubling life issues back to the Universe from whence it began, they are many ways this can be done but the way you said you have decided to do for your life I think is the best way.
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SteveS wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 5:18 am I understand Venus, the same for me with my Mars. I use to beat myself up all the time blaming myself for the Mars things in my life which caused me so much grief. Then one day I realized I was born to experience my grief with my Natal Mars and its structures. I finally realized I had two choices: 1: I could continue to experience my Natal Mars in hurtful ways for my life or I could release the struggles my Natal Mars was creating in my life. I once had a high grade psychic tell me the main problem all the people who came to see her was they did not know how to release their troubling life issues back to the Universe from whence it began, they are many ways this can be done but the way you said you have decided to do for your life I think is the best way.
Thank you, it's a struggle. Because cognitively I can say, I am releasing things, viscerally and intuitivelyl Although I am on track for an amazing SSR, I find so many old thought patterns creeping back up into my brain.
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I find so many old thought patterns creeping back up into my brain.
I understand, just do your best Venus to fight em off.
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Venus_Daily wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 7:08 am Thank you, it's a struggle. Because cognitively I can say, I am releasing things, viscerally and intuitivelyl Although I am on track for an amazing SSR, I find so many old thought patterns creeping back up into my brain.
Your Demi-SLR today is prone to negative states of mind. As Bob Newhart used to famously say: "Stop it!" <g>

The board (transit) trends in your life are Pluto square your Pluto and Neptune square your Neptune. These time significant psychological rearrangement (to state it simply). Some is more open and conscious, though much of it is churning deep in subconsciousness and getting ready to emerge as new patterns as the aspects complete. You are also probably warming up for the very significant Uranus transit of your Ascendant beginning about a year from now. Whooee!

But this is a week with transiting Saturn and Neptune moderately foreground in your demi-lunar. It interacts with your own dreams and unreasoned optimism (not unreasonable; just unreasoned) of natal Jupiter-Neptune. It probably ways on you, as Saturn aspects your Jupiter-Neptune and Neptune aspects your natal Moon and Neptune. These show psychological states, not objective events. Remember that as these states arise.

Sun squares your Saturn over the next two or three days. These tend to be grumpy days when we feel our body is too heavy to carry around and things from our past come back around to demand our attention (etc. - several variations). Meanwhile, Mars is about to oppose your Mars-Uranus and then square your Sun. Grumpiness and being absorbed by old ghosts is fine (and helps you process things you are "working through your system") but doesn't mix well with being testy to others - so take things easy where you can this week, make a point of being kind to yourself and others. You have a fantastic birthday trip coming up!


PS - Bob Newhart: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyT-c0Zycnk
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Although I am on track for an amazing SSR, I find so many old thought patterns creeping back up into my brain.
FWIW, my mother was widowed at 47, which was young. A 25 year marriage to my father, an erratic womanizer, had a profound effect upon her psyche. She was an attractive woman, very loving and determined to have a serious relationship after he died but couldn’t meet the right man. There was always an issue; they weren’t good looking, the guy she liked was unavailable or he had health problems and so on. This went on for years as she was unable to recognize it was her who set up the barriers because of the traumatic relationship with her husband. One day I said as much, she thought about it and replied, “Well, do you blame me?” Of course I didn’t as it was a hellish marriage. It was only then she understood her difficulty in meeting someone and moved on. It was a long road and she finally began dating in her seventies.

For me, it was a different scenario as I confronted a lifelong pattern of losing my identity while rescuing another. It was through an intense relationship in my early thirties that I finally had a breakthrough and, although somewhat painful, I’m grateful happened.

Anyway, Venus, I hope you have a wonderful time on this trip and all good things come to you.
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I wish this waz my problem. I feel like men just don't have serious feelings toward me. I've tried raising my standards lowering my standards 🙃
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It’s been a long time since I was on the dating scene. :lol: Standards are standards though and there’s little point in settling for second best when you have a lot to offer.
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Venus_Daily wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 7:47 am I wish this waz my problem. I feel like men just don't have serious feelings toward me. I've tried raising my standards lowering my standards 🙃
Serious- the etymological meaning - grave, weighty- which are Saturn qualities....so then I infer that you want a man to have serious feelings for you, which seems to say that your standard is that your ideal synastry involves a strong Saturn aspect from a man to your Sun?

I could be wrong about this, but the world at large is a very serious place all on its own, and men do feel this weight quite acutely and accurately
, and it seems that what helps make the weight of the world less painful and heavy is the light and loving, happy and joyfulness that another can bring to the environment.
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Veronica wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2024 5:37 am
Venus_Daily wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2024 7:47 am I wish this waz my problem. I feel like men just don't have serious feelings toward me. I've tried raising my standards lowering my standards 🙃
Serious- the etymological meaning - grave, weighty- which are Saturn qualities....so then I infer that you want a man to have serious feelings for you, which seems to say that your standard is that your ideal synastry involves a strong Saturn aspect from a man to your Sun?

I could be wrong about this, but the world at large is a very serious place all on its own, and men do feel this weight quite acutely and accurately
, and it seems that what helps make the weight of the world less painful and heavy is the light and loving, happy and joyfulness that another can bring to the environment.
Thank you, when interacting with a potential mate, I always express honesty and I try to keep it upbeat and dynamic, joyful, and energetic. I know people may not believe this, but I know men, regardless of their ideological beliefs have a harder time in life, so I try to always let anyone I come across, especially men, know that they can vent and be vulnerable around me. Who knows.
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Last night, at 3:17 @m at work, I chipped a tooth out of nowhere. No interaction with the environment. So, onto of being repulsive to men, I now look like a toothless reprobate.
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What a strange expression of Venus to your Mars-Uranus. (Mars-Uranus to your Venus would have made sense.)

Less than three weeks until Japan..,!
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Ugh, I'm sorry.
My daughter chipped her front tooth very badly when she was hit in the mouth with a swing hurled at her. She was horrified and mortified. My neighbor was our dentist and fixed it the next day and you'd never know. Dentist can do amazing things.Im sure they can help.
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My trip begins next Saturday, and I was just meditating over Jim's musings about the Moon and the power of the unconscious mind. Both the Sun/Moon act as attractors, but I feel like the Sun acts in a conscious way versus the Moon that acts in an unconscious way. It's obvious as to why the moon has often been associated with witchcraft and ritual magick just because like the subconscious mind, things we don't understand are often perceived as witchcraft or miracles.
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Well, trip in a few days. My life has done a complete 180 with this prior SSR since March. I'm on track to make 96 to 120,000 dollars for a 12 month period. My social life at work is amazing. I feel like everyone at my job wants to be my friend, and it's mainly women versus only men that would befriend me at my last job. My boss is amazing as well.

I'm excited for my trip. Scared, but it's a new adventure for my 40th birthday. Would this SSR be considered outstanding? I guess with the partile tr moon to n Vrnus and Partile tr moon/tr Venus conjunction so angular on the west point, I think so.
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:)
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You sound so happy Venus, this is all so wonderful to hear. It's so nice to have a friendly work environment, it really makes such a difference in the quality of our lives. I'm looking forward to hearing all about your birthday adventure in Japan.
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Veronica wrote: Fri Aug 30, 2024 4:15 am You sound so happy Venus, this is all so wonderful to hear. It's so nice to have a friendly work environment, it really makes such a difference in the quality of our lives. I'm looking forward to hearing all about your birthday adventure in Japan.
Thank you
I leave tomorrow. I'm going through a mixture of emotions right now. I have a feeling this SSR promises to be especially dynamic with the patient transit/transit aspect ing my Natal Venus. I'm excited.
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So many delays, stranded at airport. Can someone check my transits?
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Venus_Daily wrote: Sat Aug 31, 2024 12:52 pm So many delays, stranded at airport. Can someone check my transits?
Sorry, just saw this.....I hope your on your way ok now. I looked at the transits yesterday and think it was the moon moving through Cancer squaring your Pluto and then Saturn that was especially unsettling for you.

Happy last days of your old year to you, bye bye to that SSR and WELCOME your new year's SSR!!
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Also just seeing this (I'm not near a computer much this week). I see you smartly gave yourself plenty of leeway for travel delays since your birthday isn't for another three days or so, I trust that by now you off on a wonderful adventure.

Veronica is right: Besides the ongoing Neptune transit to your Neptune, the only big thing going on unique to yesterday was Moon squaring your Saturn about the tine your frustrations were peaking. By now, though, Venus is closely square your Jupiter and moving to its rendezvous with your natal Venus that will characterize the next year of your life.
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Jim Eshelman wrote: Sun Sep 01, 2024 10:08 am Also just seeing this (I'm not near a computer much this week). I see you smartly gave yourself plenty of leeway for travel delays since your birthday isn't for another three days or so, I trust that by now you off on a wonderful adventure.

Veronica is right: Besides the ongoing Neptune transit to your Neptune, the only big thing going on unique to yesterday was Moon squaring your Saturn about the tine your frustrations were peaking. By now, though, Venus is closely square your Jupiter and moving to its rendezvous with your natal Venus that will characterize the next year of your life.
Thank Yoi, Jim! My plane leaves tomorrow for Hiroshima! Quite exciting. At least the large Metropolitan areas of Japan are simply amazing. Extremely socially conscious and beauty oriented, but not in a pretentious and condescending way like Los Angeles and New York. The amount of blatant stares I got was miniscule compared to the United States. Everyone was so eager to help, and I didn't get the feeling people were recoiling from me for some unknown reason.
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Jim Eshelman wrote: Sun Sep 01, 2024 10:08 am Also just seeing this (I'm not near a computer much this week). I see you smartly gave yourself plenty of leeway for travel delays since your birthday isn't for another three days or so, I trust that by now you off on a wonderful adventure.

Veronica is right: Besides the ongoing Neptune transit to your Neptune, the only big thing going on unique to yesterday was Moon squaring your Saturn about the tine your frustrations were peaking. By now, though, Venus is closely square your Jupiter and moving to its rendezvous with your natal Venus that will characterize the next year of your life.
You know, Jim. I never got around to asking you. It appears that my WP & Dsc overlap this year I know that entire double Venus/ Moon to Natal Venus complex is like almost less than a degree away from the WP, but does having ot so close in the foreground have any additive effects?
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It's just which ever angle is closer. (One angle closest.) I'm not near a computer but I recall they are all quite close.
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Jim Eshelman wrote: Sun Sep 01, 2024 5:34 pm It's just which ever angle is closer. (One angle closest.) I'm not near a computer but I recall they are all quite close.
Thank You, Jim. Finally made it to Hiroshima. The size of the city is actually smaller than Corpus Christi, but the population is 3 times bigger, and everything is densely packed. So many tall buildings compared to Corpus Chtisti and sprawling mountains and valleys..a lot cleaner. I stayed in tonight because my pituitary issues have me feeling fatigued.

Anyway, it's sad, but everything being compared, you can definitely get the sense out great country is being mismanaged.
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Venus said

"Anyway, it's sad, but everything being compared, you can definitely get the sense out great country is being mismanaged."

Senses can be, and are, misleading.

It is so good hear you say that out loud Venus. It's so nice to be able to hear a contradictory statement of our country. What an interesting thought, I wonder what we can do to fix that. Maybe I will have a bunch of friends come over and we will talk and explore ideas about what regular middle/lower class persons could do yo help manage things better and make our country ever better for its descendants.
Thank goodness I live where I can disagree, have my own opinion, have friends over and work on pursuing the lovely Happiness.

I'm sorry to hear your not feeling so well, that was such a long trip and traveling is so exhausting. I've heard they have incredible spas to relax at there maybe a nice spa day to get you all.pamepered up for your birthday is in order. My nephew says he was treated like a King there with so many luxury choices and service industry professionals.
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Hey. Veronica, agree to disrespectfully disagree. Maybe it's just the Sagittarius Moon in me, but the state I come from versus this amazing country, it just makes me sad. If JP hired non East Asian nurses, at my pay rate, I would move and learn the language.
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Exactly Venus! Isnt it wonderful that we can express different perspectives!! Freedom of speech especially for us women let's us express our natal character in much different ways then our ancestors who lived in places where women and the feminine nature are aggressively suppressed. Most Texans dont get to travel abroad and experience other cultures, but now that you have...well imagine all the wonderful changes you could bring to your home and make it a more wonderful place for everyone by sharing your insights into what other places are doing to thrive. It's quite common for travelers to become activists for social and cultural change.
Have a great day!
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Veronica wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 4:54 am Exactly Venus! Isnt it wonderful that we can express different perspectives!! Freedom of speech especially for us women let's us express our natal character in much different ways then our ancestors who lived in places where women and the feminine nature are aggressively suppressed. Most Texans dont get to travel abroad and experience other cultures, but now that you have...well imagine all the wonderful changes you could bring to your home and make it a more wonderful place for everyone by sharing your insights into what other places are doing to thrive. It's quite common for travelers to become activists for social and cultural change.
Have a great day!
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Great points, after studying astrology for so long, I wouldn't agree that the actual feminine is suppressed, in fact, it's celebrated here as much as it is in Texas. I think you may be referring to sex based discrimination, which has been going on both sides since the mid to late 60s.
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