McCann, Madeleine

[1880orso]

I couldn't find any mention about this on the forum. If it is acceptable could you please give any insight into her disappearance and possible demise? I've been interested in this case since it occurred not least because of the amount of press coverage it received in the UK which was comparable to the death of the Princess of Wales in 1997 in terms of public interest.

Birth data
12 May 2003 at 18:14 (= 6:14 PM )

At 3rd May 2007, 2:29 pm the last photograph was taken by Kate McCann.

According to all the available evidence, Madeleine was alive when Kate signed her out of the Tapas area at 5:30 PM on 3rd May 2007 to sojourn for a luncheon with friends.

[Jim Eshelman]

You didn't give the locations. Where was she born? Where was the disappearance.

[1880orso]

You didn't give the locations. Where was she born? Where was the disappearance.

12 May 2003 at 18:14 (= 6:14 PM ) Leicester UK

At 3rd May 2007 2:29pm the last photograph was taken by parent Kate McCann. Praia da Luz, Portugal


Madeleine Beth McCann (born 12 May 2003) is a British missing person, who at the age of 3, disappeared from her bed in a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Lagos, Portugal, on the evening of 3 May 2007. The Daily Telegraph described her disappearance as "the most heavily reported missing-person case in modern history".Madeleine's whereabouts remain unknown, although German prosecutors and several Portuguese detectives involved in the case believe she is dead.

[Jim Eshelman]

According to 1880orso, Madeleine McCann was born May 12, 2003, at 6:14 PM in Leicester, UK. The last physical evidence of her being alive seems to have been a photograph taken by her mother May 3, 2007, 2:29 PM, Praia da Luz, Portugal. Other than that photograph, the general report is that she her parents stepped out at 8:30 PM that night (to a restaurant only 60 yards away), checked on their three children on and off, and discovered Madeleine missing at 10:00 PM, suggesting that whatever happened was soon before 10:00 PM. Possibly related, an unidentified man was reported carrying a child from the resort toward the beach 45 minutes earlier, so we perhaps should use 9:15 PM as the most likely time of abduction.

In some ways, the chart is blessed: Sun, Mars, and Jupiter are all exalted, with Uranus in its home constellation; and Venus is the only strongly foreground planet (though in its detriment).

There are problems with the birth data. The database at Astro.com rates it C data: The source of the data simply isn't known. I was prepared to do an exhaustive analysis of this, but that simply isn't worth the effort because the birth time may be complete fiction. I will, therefore, just check highlights - with the caveat that nothing I conclude astrologically below can be trusted in the absence of a confident birth time.

The gist of the event is that a 3-year-old girl went missing 17 years ago. It is unknown whether she was abducted alive (and perhaps is still alive) or was killed. The parents were named suspects under the theory that she died shortly before she was "found missing" and the parents covered it up; but there was never enough evidence for the police to fully pursue the matter. Different jurisdictions have police files open with no resolution. -- I have not heard of the case previously and have just given the salient points disclosed by simple research. Because her disappearance was what The Daily Telegraph described as "the most heavily reported missing person case in modern history," there is a question whether it should also be treated as a mundane astrology event separate from an astrological study of the missing girl.

This seems to be the modern British equivalent of the Lindbergh baby kidnapping.

The question being posed to us is: For a child born May 12, 2003, 6:14 PM, Leicester, UK, what happened at or near May 3, 2007, 9:15 PM [apparently BST], Praia da Luz, Portugal? The location, which is too small to be in Solar Fire, is 37N05'12" 8W43'52".

[Jim Eshelman]

First the natal, looking for anything outstanding: McCann had Sun in Aries and Moon in Virgo. Venus is closely setting (1°20') as the outstanding planet, with wide angularities by Jupiter, Mars, and Neptune. Sun is on Vertex, which likely is meaningful in a natal chart, though Sun is already strong in the psyche from its Aries placement. (Some would interpret Sun on Vertex at birth as meaning "subject to seemingly fated events out of one's control.")

Her closest aspect is a 0°01' Mercury-Neptune square. Whatever this might have meant once she came to maturity, it does add some sense of mystery if not outright deception to the story of her life and, treated as in mundane astrology, suggests that nobody is following right clues at all and little or nothing in the evidence should be trusted regarding her story. Also of great strength, she has Mars conjunct Neptune (1°04') and octile Saturn (0°10'), the sort of aspects that can expose the very young to great harm. (In earlier centuries, they likely would have meant she wouldn't likely survive infancy.)

The aspect structure is a great deal more complicated than I've given here, including a generally close T-square of Jupiter opposite the Mars-Neptune conjunction, all square Mercury, with Saturn octile into the mix. This is the main large aspect structure of the chart.

[Jim Eshelman]

In the first step of examining the event, I feel the impact of the uncertainty of the birth time. She was too young for directions or progressions to do much, though we need to check anyway - and, presuming (for sake of argument) that the birth time is legitimate, we find no solar arc directions.

Mostly the same is true for secondary progressions, except there is one - a lunar progression - worth noting. For the given birth time, we have:

7°46' Aqu - r Uranus
7°51' Aqu - p Uranus
8°20' Sco - p Moon

Given her young age, the weeks immediately prior were the first time she would have experienced a Moon-Uranus progression. This is usually an exciting, eye-opening time with surprises. It can be hurtful in the sense of accidents or other surprise happenings, though usually it is an exciting, interesting time. The meaning in the immediate case isn't yet clear.


This brings us to transits. These are the most immediate, and especially talk about interactions with the environment. Here is the breakdown from outermost inward:

t Pluto 3°51' Sag. This is octile her natal primary aspect structure, being broadly in contact with her Jupiter, Mars, Mercury, and Neptune - a couple of years of setting off the whole pattern - with immediate partile aspects to Mercury (28') and Neptune (27'). This is clearly connected to her abduction - Pluto is usually a key aspect for such events, and her it shows upended psychological states, something along lines of "stunning events that upend her basic reality."

t Neptune 27°04' Cap. This is not quite in partile square to her Sun. I won't be surprised, though, if this aspect is prominent in return charts for the occasion.

t Saturn 23°29' Can. Octile natal Moon 0°05'. This is a big deal transit! If the birth time is correct, this is a pivotal aspect, being extremely close for the event, terrible (hurtful) in nature. It isn't inherently fatal, but it's so hurtful it might be fatal. It might implicate the parents or at least a sense of trust and safety being violated. This is our first solid clue that a bad thing happened.

t Jupiter 23°46' Sco. This is interesting! It's joined by Uranus at 22°50' Aquarius, not close enough to act on its own (but close enough that they would be important if this is angular in return charts later). Usually Jupiter transits to Pluto are some form of "fortunate separation." What in the world could that possibly mean in this case? Without going down various rabbit holes of saying she eventually escaped to a batter life (what would that even mean under the circumstances???), I suppose it could mean that the abducted person successfully escaped the intended fate (which, obviously, the three-year-old couldn't have done on her own). As you see, I'm struggling with this aspect and trying to leave all the thoughts out on the table for consultation later.

Notice that transiting Mars is 26°13' Aquarius. It's too far past, but was in exact transit to Pluto a couple of days earlier. No known harm occurred them. It will be interesting to see how close this is in her lunar return when we get there (and whether it was angular).

t Sun 18°18' Ari, t Mercury 18°58' Ari. Here is the timing! This completes the Pluto transit, since Sun-Mercury-Pluto were in partile octile, Sun and Mercury had crossed her Jupiter and Mars in the day or two before, and at the time she went missing transiting Sun was square natal Mars (50'), conjunct natal Mercury (13'), and square her Neptune (14'). Transiting Mercury was square her Mercury-Neptune.

This is incredibly complex. It has all the right feel for an abduction and the psychological state. It is not particularly an aspect set for death. You can break it down aspect b aspect but not necessarily get any more clarity: Sun to Mars can show a struggle (or any other unusual expenditure of energy); Sun to Neptune speaks of vulnerability, being passive toward events, emotional excitement, surrealistic or theatrical experiences; Mercury to Neptune shows foggy thinking, strange perceptions, confused communications, deceptive or wrongly interpreted information. Primarily, though, these show disorienting psychological states and extreme emotional responses to confusing circumstances. - And remember, this time it was as a trigger to Pluto's transits to the same planets.

These last transits don't require an exact birth time. They're the same (other than fine details of orbs) for any birth time. Of all the transits, the only one that seems to show anything decisively bad is Saturn to Moon, which does depend on the birth time.

[Jim Eshelman]

McCann was nearly at her fourth birthday (less than two weeks away), still under her prior Sidereal Solar Return. Where did this occur? (That's the decisive question.) We will likely be right if we guess that they parents celebrated their daughter's third birthday at their home in England. Wherever it occurred, it had strong fortunate and unfortunate marks: Transiting Saturn at her 3rd birthday was only 0°24' from crossing her natal MC; on the other hand, for all places on Earth, the chart had a partile Moon-Jupiter conjunction. opposite natal Mercury. If the SSR occurred in Leicester, the Moon-Jupiter was foreground. The one clear warning is natal Mars 0°16' and natal Neptune 0°45' from WP-a, natal Uranus 2°58' from Descendant. These are accident prone (by one interpretation, but not the only one).

Despite the partile Moon-Jupiter conjunction (which has to be judged positively), we have to also admit that SSR Moon was tied into her entire natal T-square, which introduces all sorts of negative possibilities. The same planets that got the decisive abduction transits in the natal are made even more intense in the SSR. Here's the main stuff (adding transiting planets for the event also):

15°29' Can - r Jupiter
17°20' Cap - r Mars
17°22' Lib - s Moon
18°10' Lib - t Jupiter
18°10' Ari - t Sun
18°23' Ari - r Mercury
18°24' Cap - r Neptune
18°58' Ari - t Mercury
19°18' Ari - s Mercury

Add: r Saturn 2°31' Gemini, t Pluto 3°51' Sagittarius (in relation to the above).

This introduces the first indication she was actually hurt: SSR Moon only 0°02' from natal Mars, for example.

As I was typing this list, a very disturbing, sickening idea encroached upon my thinking: The strong, positive Jupiter presence can't be ignored among all the other indications. (And there is that Jupiter exact transit to natal Pluto.) Furthermore, this mix of planets and their aspects is common in matters of commerce.

My thought of the moment is that the parents were completely innocent of hurting her, and perhaps she was never hurt at all. The indications are entirely consistent with a true kidnapping and the psychological states that go with it. The parents, however... may have sold her.

That transiting Sun was 0°00' from opposite SSR Jupiter can't be ignored. Other transits to this SSR enhance the idea that the child was a desirable object receiving significant unusual attention, including transiting Sun opposite SSR Moon and transiting Moon square SSR Ascendant. (Mercury also transited opposite SR Jupiter). There is a solid negative transit, with transiting Saturn 0°48' from SSR MC.

[Jim Eshelman]

Her Sidereal Lunar Return occurred early on April 29, a few days before the abduction. However, where did it occur? We want to look at it for Portugal, for sure, but did it first occur there? - Ah, yes it did. Wikipedia says the family arrived at the Portugal resort April 28, a day before the SLR, so Praia De Luz is the only location that concerns us.

The SLR is a severe disappointment:

r Venus Asc -7°50'
r Moon Dsc +1°04'

The only conceivable aspect highlights the foreground planets: If PVP aspects are valid, we have transiting Moon in PVP square to natal Venus 2°00'

Non-foreground aspects are interesting but not decisive. On one hand we have a 0°00' Mars-Uranus conjunction (which surely is somewhat important; on the other hand, we have a deeply background Venus-Jupiter opposition 0°48'. Other partile non-foreground aspects were interesting and could have several relevant-seeming interpretations (most of which are just duplicative); but the one interesting fact to me is that little-to-nothing in the SLR shows harm to her. Yes, Mars-Uranus can mean an accident (but rarely means so decisive an occurrence unless on an angle), but that's it. All sorts of things show crookedness, deception, sneaking, unknown things, separation, even fun and "clean escape," but there isn't a strong indication of physical damage.

In this whole series of charts, there has not been much. The SSR Moon to natal Mars is one indication. The Saturn transit to her Moon is another. But these are buried in the mix and always surrounded by extremely positive aspects as well.

There are sexual themes here and there. I don't want to dwell too much on this and, perhaps, I overstate it. There are foremost indications of her being extremely attractive and drawing attention magnetically; then, mixed with this, are aspects that, for adults, would usually be sexual. I'd like to think that this is a wrong interpretation for a three-year-old, but I need to mention it. At the same time, there is much that is benign in the whole event, as if her abduction likely didn't harm her physically (at least, not much) and was (at the time) registered by her senses as a positive, interesting, if totally confusing and reality-upending event.


One clue to what happened that night is to examine what came next. Less than a fortnight later, she had a new solar return. If she was alive May 12, 2007 perhaps her abductors had not relocated her from Portugal yet. (Of course, they may have removed her that very night.) If her next SSR occurred at the location of her abduction, it would have looked like this (notice all angular planets are natal):

r Pluto IC -5°43'
r Mars IC -5°05'
r Mercury WP-a -1°06'
r Jupiter MC 2°55'
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r Venus Dsc +7°39'

t Moon sq r Saturn 0°03' M
t Moon-Pluto sq 1°21' M
t Moon-Mars co 2°55'

This is sad. I think she wasn't hurt until after her birthday, at which point she was killed (and perhaps brutally). (I don't think natal Jupiter on MC saved her.) Though orbs change, the Moon aspects are valid for all places on Earth. I won't itemize the ghastly, brutal thoughts that enter my mind when I look at this. (Mundoscope positions are in parentheses at the end.)

0°05' Pis - s Moon [20°40']
2°31' Gem - r Saturn [20°45']
3°00' Pis - s Mars [23°37']
3°41' Sag - s Pluto [20°21']

This end may have come soon or perhaps two and a half to three months after her birthday when Moon progressed to the other planets, perhaps around August 11, 2007.


If the birth time is correct, then this is what I think happened.

[Jim Eshelman]

A few other charts... not to analyze the event but more (in the event that the above analysis is correct and the birth time is accurate) to show some other details.

The 10-Day Solar occurred May 2, the day before. Its main feature is Pluto opposite natal Saturn in wide orb of square MC. Natal Moon is on IC. Return Moon 16°41' is opposite transiting Sun-Mercury and tied into the natal T-square, becoming part of the general pattern triggering that natal T-square.

The Ennead (NSR) was April 1. They were still back in England. For that location, it's not very important, though it has a Moon-Pluto square.

The Anlunar May 2 (day before the abduction) had SSR Saturn rising closely, but also transiting Venus near MC.

Her Kinetic Lunar Return occurred the morning after the abduction. It makes little sense. Progressed Venus exactly rises unafflicted. The prior Demi-KLR, relocated to Portugal, is pretty malevolent, though, easily the nastiest charts we've seen in the mix and worth study by those interested in such things. If I were to trust this chart above all others, I'd say that the event was horrifying and violent from the start, though I should reiterate that this isn't a primary chart and other indications tell a different version of the story.

The Novienic Lunar Return looks nearly identical to the 10-day solar but with the main transit closer to angles (and Moon opposite natal Sun)

2°31' Gem - r Saturn
2°47' Pis - NLR MC
3°51' Sag - t Pluto

The LuniSolar the morning before the abduction put natal Sun on Ascendant opposed by Moon, the whole squared by Neptune closely and Saturn widely. It's a suitably horrible chart if the events were, in fact, horrifying at the time.

[1880orso]

Thank you for doing this.

[1880orso]

Do you think this is part of a global shadow economy in child-trafficking? It's upsetting but I'm so thankful you've done this.

[Jim Eshelman]

Do you think this is part of a global shadow economy in child-trafficking? It's upsetting but I'm so thankful you've done this.

Possibly it is - in original intent. That is consistent with much in the aspects. However, I also suspect something went terribly wrong later in the year.

I'm curious... this seems very personal to you. Are you connected to the family somehow?

[1880orso]

It's interesting, what you're saying chimes with Ex-Metropolitan detective chief inspector Collin Sutton who was quoted as saying, 'the most likely scenario is that Madeleine was stolen to order by slave traders and smuggled into Africa for a rich family who wanted a white child'. It seems probable that the parents were party to this criminal conspiracy.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... 9cb918174b

Her fate thereafter may have been tragic as you indicate. Do you think her buyers always intended to murder her, perhaps ritually?

[Jim Eshelman]

I don't think the parents were the murderers. There are few indications of any harm to her at the time of the abduction (and those few could easily show something else, like general badness of the time or psychological impact such as fear). Damage doesn't seem part of that event. The only real indication of it is in the year following, no sooner than her birthday, probably around three months later, and possibly anytime in that subsequent year when she would seem to have been moved out of reach of the parents.

On your last question... I don't know. It could be. Or other purposes. Yet (until I looked at her subsequent solar return) I had a positive impression (that's not what I mean to say, but it's the easiest way to say it) of the abduction in the sense that she seemed to be treated well, that there was something "good" about the experience - consistent with your idea of being treated like royalty, treated as a treasure.

I don't want to go too far into my uglier thoughts, but I need to say part of it to ask you a question: Is there any discussion (in all that publicity) about her having a strange health condition. I could see these charts (to make up a scenario) where the parents wanted to unload a child with an unusual medical condition and justified to themselves that it was "doing good" to sell a dying child for medical research.

[1880orso]

I don't want to go too far into my uglier thoughts, but I need to say part of it to ask you a question: Is there any discussion (in all that publicity) about her having a strange health condition. I could see these charts (to make up a scenario) where the parents wanted to unload a child with an unusual medical condition and justified to themselves that it was "doing good" to sell a dying child for medical research.

As far as I know the only unusual medical condition she had was coloboma where normal tissue in or around the eye is missing at birth. It's prescient you mention her health though because both Maddie's parents are fully qualified GPs or doctors. Indeed the popular theory was that they over sedated Maddie by accident which resulted in her death and then disposed of the cadaver to cover up their own criminal child negligence. There was a persistent rumour that they would sedate all three of their children while they went out to enjoy an evening meal with friends. However I think this has now been refuted.

https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/mcc ... 0sedatives.

The Portuguese police requested Maddie's health records but they were withheld by the UK Home Office (ministerial department of the Government of the United Kingdom. It is responsible for immigration, security, and law and order). Maddie's health records seem to be shrouded in secrecy.

There is speculation that she had Turner syndrome

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t4633 ... +condition

[1880orso]

Do you think she could have been sold for organ harvesting?

[Jim Eshelman]

Do you think she could have been sold for organ harvesting?

It crossed my mind. - Though I went more toward "medical research."

[1880orso]

Unless Maddie's medical records ever become publicly accessible we can only speculate but there is ample evidence she was a sickly and difficult child. Would the condition have to be something exceedingly rare though to warrant the parents rationale for selling her to bodysnatchers?

[Jim Eshelman]

I don't know her parents so I don't know what would make them tick.

I'm also making all this up - I'm not at all saying this is true of the parents. I have no objective reason to say that it IS true of them and I'm not saying it. I'm only reporting what went through my mind.

If the child wouldn't live anyway, then that might salve someone's conscience about letting her be killed. The idea that her death by dissection could aid medical science, that might make some who are doctors feel justified in the terrible move.

But I'm guessing - fiction-writing - and have no information on them on which to really answer your question.

[1880orso]

I don't know her parents so I don't know what would make them tick.

I'm also making all this up - I'm not at all saying this is true of the parents. I have no objective reason to say that it IS true of them and I'm not saying it. I'm only reporting what went through my mind.

If the child wouldn't live anyway, then that might salve someone's conscience about letting her be killed. The idea that her death by dissection could aid medical science, that might make some who are doctors feel justified in the terrible move.

But I'm guessing - fiction-writing - and have no information on them on which to really answer your question.

I understand entirely. It isn't a hypothesis only an interpretation of the astrological data. It's fascinating none the less. Your August 11, 2007 for the date of her death is startling. May she rest in peace.

[1880orso]

If you look at this forum https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/ the guilt and complicity of the McCanns is a foregone conclusion.

[1880orso]

I would just like to categorically say I don't suspect Kate or Gerry McCann of being involved in any way with the disappearance of Maddie. Like many people who have studied this case however the thought did cross my mind that the parents might know more about the disappearance than they've publicly admitted. I'm a supporter of the McCanns in general and want only to establish the facts of what became of their beautiful daughter.