2024 Prez Election

[SteveS]

Let us know when you are ready to make a prediction Arena.

[Veronica]

Veronica, I noticed right away that you had not understood my post as it was originally posted. You did not understand I was clearly (as was Steve) talking about the transiting Mars-Pluto aspect. When you had uttered your response and clearly stated your misunderstanding of my words, I went back to read through the whole post and I did not understand at all how you could have misinterpreted it. So I simply went back into it to add clarification and distinction between the transit and natal aspects. This is imho a very very good way to make sure you are communicating what you always intended to communicate and a good way to make things very clear for future references.

It is very obvious to any reader that you totally misunderstood me and you even painted me out to be malicious and evil. I decided to ignore that since I know people often write things when they are upset in the spur of the moment. When they calm down, they usually are able to read into things in a very different manner.

Making it very clear where I was coming from was in this case necessary, although I did think I did so already with my first post. This just shows how people can misunderstand the words of another when they are not spoken aloud to ones face and with the right voice emphasis and possible feedback.

Thank you for your exchange Veronica, I do not want to fight with you at all.
What I did was state my observations on a t. Mars-Pluto aspect.... adding a bit about the natal one since you misunderstood me - and adding that I am most certainly neither evil or have any malicious intent towards the relevant candidates. I do however despise the deep state/shadow power forces that have been in power in the US (and elsewhere) for a very long while. I am not ashamed of saying it.

I did completely understand your original post.
I know you do not want to fight with me Arena.
My replies still stand.
I know you despise forces of nature, or as you say " shadow power", it is terrifying to most people, and I'm glad you have no shame.
I did not intend to paint you at all, my words only tell about me so if anything...my words describing my interpretation and experience only truly painted me as Evil, ugly nasty or whatever, which I entirely own up to having those human traits we all have potentialto let out., certainly not you. I would kindly ask going forward that you do not edit your posts after anyone has responded, unless you make it clear what you are adding to your post, and to not rewrite your posts completely. As Peter said, bad form.

[LeiLei]

Veronica, I am NOT talking about a Mars-Pluto natal aspect. If you read Steve's post he's specifically noticing a Mars-Pluto transit aspect close to Kamala's natal Moon-Sun opposition.

Then quote the T-T interpretation (found on this forum) rather than the natal one. They are different.

"MARS-PLUTO
(Forced or blocked power, belligerent individuality)
One is forced to stand accountable for one's actions (with swift, unapologetic consequences); otherwise, to take unusual initiative amidst urgent events (air of crisis or emergency). Suspenseful, tense. Unprecedented force (possible aggression, belligerence, or attack). Consequences of cumulative stresses. (STATS: Slightly frequent for weddings.)"

However, when it comes to the natal aspect- we have indeed noticed it in people who have been accused of sexual violent behaviour, and have possibly encountered that kind of violence in their childhood as well (as reported by Kevin's brother) such as Woody Allen and Kevin Spacey ... and I've also seen it in people I know have been sexually abused.

Arena, I have seen you post something similar about Ma-Pl natal aspects several times now. I think it is very, very unwise to attribute a single aspect to sexual abusers or to the sexually abused. In fact, I think it is dangerously unwise & harmful. I don't think it should even be discussed without knowing the whole of the natal chart (and even then only if someone has been accused or has come forth with sex abuse allegations). Otherwise, to attribute sex abuse/abusers to a single aspect is entirely speculation. If you insist on continuing to do this, using the examples you site, at least list other possible contributing factors existing in their natal charts.

[Arena]

Wow, attacked from more directions.
Let me be very clear, once again.

Veronica, I did not completely rewrite my post, although I added to it. I will edit my own posts as I see fit, especially when I notice someone completely misunderstanding them and twisting my words. That calls for clarifications as I see fit.

And when people actually attack me and accuse me of being evil, that most certainly calls for making sure I express myself very clearly, even with lots of additional explanations
and clarifications.

If you have a tendency to jump to conclusions or even get angry at others posts, you may want to do some self-healing, relaxing sound baths, infrared saunas and chill out a little bit. Super healthy and super relaxing.

LeiLei, I did not contribute sexual abuse to ONLY this aspect. I stated that it is often seen in those instances. It has been discussed before in this forum, as well as Mars-Neptune. I've noticed it and yes, I've said it before and so have most likely other members who have also noticed. It has not been stated that this is ALWAYS the case nor that there are no other contributors. It is wise imo to notice when aspects appear multible times for this kind of behavior although there may be other factors. You can simply suggest your own thoughts on what you've noticed in those kind of charts, and thereby make your own contribution, instead of accusing others of being 'dangerously unwise and harmful'.

We discuss all kinds of malefic and benefic things/events/incident/ life stories in this forum. Love, friendships, relationships, talents, victories, sports, accidents (even dangerous and harmful), deaths, violent attacks, and sexual abuse has come up as well - yes - as it does in some cases in real life.

[LeiLei]

Wow, attacked from more directions.
Let me be very clear, once again.

This will be my last post on this thread as I'm aware it's derailing it.

Arena,

Since you're giving out unsolicited advice to Veronica, let me give you some of my own. I do not post often on this forum but I read the majority of it, including your posts. So Arena...it's okay to consider that you might be wrong about something. In fact, it's healthy. Even healthier is admitting it to others rather than constantly stressing how you're not misunderstanding/not wrong or you understood completely & they're the ones who didn't & so on. Considering & admitting you might be wrong = growth of character. Rarely admitting fault, constantly going out of your way to try to prove others are wrong (even when there's evidence to the contrary) = a problem with your pride. Just something to self-reflect on.

P.S. You have a wild definition of what it means to be attacked. Second bit of advice - grow thicker skin.

And that's my unsolicited advice for the day, feel free to delete Jim.

[Arena]

Let us know when you are ready to make a prediction Arena.

I will when I have some quiet time to look at the return charts.
With the above, Trump has more of positive planetary vibes - but I don't know if Kamala or he has better SSR... although you guys will probably have analysed those to pieces.

[Arena]

Wow, attacked from more directions.
Let me be very clear, once again.

This will be my last post on this thread as I'm aware it's derailing it.

Arena,

Since you're giving out unsolicited advice to Veronica, let me give you some of my own. I do not post often on this forum but I read the majority of it, including your posts. So Arena...it's okay to consider that you might be wrong about something. In fact, it's healthy. Even healthier is admitting it to others rather than constantly stressing how you're not misunderstanding/not wrong or you understood completely & they're the ones who didn't & so on. Considering & admitting you might be wrong = growth of character. Rarely admitting fault, constantly going out of your way to try to prove others are wrong (even when there's evidence to the contrary) = a problem with your pride. Just something to self-reflect on.

P.S. You have a wild definition of what it means to be attacked. Second bit of advice - grow thicker skin.

And that's my unsolicited advice for the day, feel free to delete Jim.

Yes this is being derailed for sure. You may have noticed the hearts as an expression that I don't take these specific attacks very seriously although I think it has been important to stand up for myself. Being able to have a discussion about things that are vulnerable or difficult to discuss is real growth. It would be so good if more people were able to.

I have already had the discussion and I do not think it should be necessary to go on with it - well I already thought so many posts back. I stand by what I said, that Mars-Pluto aspects in transit can be a very brutal force and have been connected to violence, sexual assault, coercion, (seen in both transits and as natal aspects) death by a serious illness, assassinations and wars. And just for the fun of it, let me add that I did state that from memory about this transit - and it wasn't wrong at all. I've been in this forum for many many years and I do remember a lot of what has been discussed here. That is not to say that they always are the same kind of danger - but they can be. When I see that Mars-Pluto opposition transiting this close to a square to Kamala's Moon-Sun natal aspect, it worries me. I do not see it as a victory aspect, I see it as a very malefic aspect. Not because I would wish anything bad for her - I simply worry about what it could turn out to be since I already know how very brutal it can be.

[Jim Eshelman]

Especially since I'm about to be on the road for a week... but anytime, really... I'm always happy to see forum members bumping into each other speaking up candidly and with good intention to resolve what could be contentious issues.

My thanks to the three of you.

[Jim Eshelman]

I decided to check out Trump's transits, progressions and solar arcs for election day as well...

I'll have a look at the other charts later, but I think these are already very telling who has more positive vibes from the universe as in planetary alignments.

You might be interested in this thread:
https://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=8881

[SteveS]

Harris - 165
Trump - 105

[Jim Eshelman]

I'm copying this list down here, later in the thread - it's easy to see the shift that have occurred since late June. Steve, that most recent increase in the gap between them seems considerable and helps sort through some of the inconsistencies in the polls.

Jun - 1435
3-Jul - 735
4-Jul - 620
5-Jul - 551
6-Jul - 575
8-Jul - 660
9-Jul - 875
10-Jul - 875
11-Jul - 700
12-Jul - 500
15-Jul - 1200
20-Jul - 600
21-Jul - Biden withdraws
22-Jul - 385
24-Jul - 220
26-Jul - 100
27-Jul - 75
30-Jul - 95
31-Jul - 50
2-Aug - 10
12-Aug - -35
16-Aug - -50
18-Aug - -30
26-Aug - -20
22-Sep - -60
7-Oct - 0
10-Oct - 10
14-Oct - 170
17-Oct - 310

[SteveS]

I don’t follow politics closely, but I am still kicking myself for not realizing that Biden would probably drop out of the race after his debate with Trump and Harris would become the nominee. At this time Harris odds could have been captured at around + 800 if my memory is serving me. A wager at this time on Harris would have assured winnings no matter who wins this election. Also, after the debate between Trump and Harris, I should have immediately looked at Harris 2024 SSR. O well…

[SteveS]

Recently I hooked-up with someone who knows about my past Prez predictions and was told something very interesting. I was told the authorities of the Dem Party knew how bad Biden’s mind was, but wanted him in a debate anyway with Trump in the abnormal month of July for a debate, knowing Biden would have to withdraw from the Prez race in order to give Harris plenty of time to prepare for Prez election. Opinions?

[Jim Eshelman]

First, I'm curious how the person who talked to you has this information and whether it's just opinion or purported fact.

Second, I have no doubt that some people had this cross their minds. Whether it was an organized plan (or even whether any two people talked to each other about it) is a less certain question.

I started forecasting health concerns and different kinds of diminishment for Biden around April. We all saw him behave brilliantly n the State of the Union early in the year so I think he was in great shape then; but the charts suggest something started eroding in April-May. Perhaps he had an unreported stroke (less likely) or things just started going down hill a little faster (more likely IMHO). On questions of why Harris or others didn't "report to the American people," I saw that they had no requirement to do so - he surely was able to do his job. If the vice president and a majority of members of the cabinet felt he had crossed the line of no longer being able to discharge his duties, they then had a responsibility (and ability) to do something about it, but I have no reason to think it has ever gotten that bad. Additionally, Harris has stayed close to him from week one in office and was ready to step in at any time.

It makes total sense that somebody or other (and maybe several somebodies) had pass through their mind that he should be nudged aside and the only way to do that was to let him compete against Trump - and get the confrontation over with before the convention and the main campaigning started. I think it unlikely that this was a conspiracy (or, let's call it a "team effort") by the party as a whole.

[SteveS]

Jim wrote:

First, I'm curious how the person who talked to you has this information and whether it's just opinion or purported fact.

It was my Doctor who has served my health needs for 33 years. He has always taken a keen interest in my astrological work, mainly with past Prez predictions. He has a bookie . Also I told him months ago no way Biden wins 2024 Prez election with his charts, but that was when we had no idea how bad Biden had gotten with his mental health since April. My Doc believes he suffered a stroke or two. As far as how/why/ my Doc told me about the higher-ups knowing about Biden’s true mental condition and wanting the full public to know the true case of Biden’s condition---I don’t know—nor would I ask—none of my business---but I don’t think my Doc thinks it was a conspiracy. I think he thinks it was just careful planning by the higher-ups in the Party. Driving home after my Doc told me about this “careful planning” got me to thinking: It was indeed abnormal to have a debate in July---right? The higher-ups knew if they waited to Sept for a normal time for a debate---it would not give Harris and her team enough time to prepare for a Prez run. IMO, very smart planning by the Party!

[SteveS]

Noting that Harris has her r Jupiter d to a T-square to her r Full Moon for the 2028 Prez election. This may offer increased probability for her winning the 2024 Prez election. But certainly increases her winning probability if she is running for Prez in 2028.

[Jim Eshelman]

Noting that Harris has her r Jupiter d to a T-square to her r Full Moon for the 2028 Prez election. This may offer increased probability for her winning the 2024 Prez election. But certainly increases her winning probability if she is running for Prez in 2028.

Interesting catch! It's left orb of Moon by then and still in orb of Sun. It certainly suggests that, if she's already in office, her last year or two of the first term will be pretty successful.

[SteveS]

Dead even:

Harris -130
Trump -130

[Jim Eshelman]

Ouch! He tied her.

High.impact astrological question: if Mar-a-Lago is seriously damaged by Hurricane Milton, perhaps it wjntcbe habitable for a month or more. Thst would mean he doesn't have his election SLR there! That's his ONE killer-positive chart.

[SteveS]

I hear you Jim! If Mar-Largo damage from Hurricane Milton, I am betting he will spend election night somewhere close to Bedminster?

[Jim Eshelman]

The charts aren't so good for him there

[SteveS]

DEMOCRAT PRESIDENCY & DEMOCRAT POPULAR VOTE -125
REPUBLICAN PRESIDENCY & DEMOCRAT POPULAR VOTE +225
REPUBLICAN PRESIDENCY & REPUBLICAN POPULAR VOTE +300
DEMOCRAT PRESIDENCY & REPUBLICAN POPULAR VOTE +7000

Trump now a slight favorite:

Trump -135
Harris -125

[Jim Eshelman]

He's been having Jupiter transits. I did forecast that this would be his strongest stretch. It's still hard to see.

[SteveS]

Indeed Jim!

[SteveS]

Trump -170
Harris Even

[SteveS]

Just in the last few days Trump is widening his winning betting odds lead?

Trump -185
Harris + 125

[Jim Eshelman]

In the last few days - at least in the eyes of Vegas - Trump has reversed all the odds gains that Harris made from the end of July when Biden stepped aside.

Jun - +1435
3-Jul - +735
4-Jul - +620
5-Jul - +551
6-Jul - +575
8-Jul - +660
9-Jul - +875
10-Jul - +875
11-Jul - +700
12-Jul - +500
15-Jul - +1200
20-Jul - +600
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21-Jul - Biden withdraws
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22-Jul - +385
24-Jul - +220
26-Jul - +100
27-Jul - +75
30-Jul - +95
31-Jul - +50
2-Aug - +10
12-Aug - -35
16-Aug - -50
18-Aug - -30
26-Aug - -20
22-Sep - -60
7-Oct - 0
10-Oct - +10
14-Oct - +170
17-Oct - +310
25-Oct - +300
25-Oct - +300
30-Oct - +370

[Mike V]

That is insane to me. His campaign and his supporters are constantly appearing terribly in the press, and Harris is constantly hitting it out of the park. I can't imagine what reality they're betting on.

[SteveS]

Betting odds "historically have called 77%" of Presidential Elections (see link below), but at times can deceive. In 2016 Hillary was an 85% to win Prez (-350 to + 450 (Trump), but Trump won in a huge upset. In 1977 I had a Vegas insider tell me by historical % the safest wager to make was on whoever was the betting favorite by Election Day for Prez, he said they were 80% accurate, but again look what happen in 2016.

The link below discusses the betting odds as they stand today, but how they can mislead in today's media world.

https://www.newsweek.com/election-2024- ... rs-1971077

[Jim Eshelman]

Steve, it looks like someone is screwing with the betting sites. These may not be honest figures (or may be influenced by something going on behind the betting circle scene).

I don't think you can read this article unless you have a Wall Street Journal subscription. It just broke a few minutes ago: https://www.wsj.com/finance/betting-ele ... p-ad74aa71

The headline is "A Mystery $30 Million Wave of Pro-Trump Bets Has Moved a Popular Prediction Market." Here is a long quote:

Vice President Kamala Harris and former President Donald Trump are neck and neck in the polls. But in one popular betting market, the odds have skewed heavily in Trump’s favor, raising questions about a recent flurry of wagers and who is behind them.

Over the past two weeks, the chances of a Trump victory in the November election have surged on Polymarket, a crypto-based prediction market. Its bettors were giving Trump a 62% chance of winning on Thursday, while Harris’s chances were 38%. The candidates were in a dead heat at the start of October.

Trump’s gains on Polymarket have cheered his supporters, and they have been followed by the odds shifting in Trump’s favor in other betting markets. Elon Musk flagged Trump’s growing lead on Polymarket to his 200 million X followers on Oct. 6, praising the concept of betting markets. “More accurate than polls, as actual money is on the line,” Musk posted.

But the surge might be a mirage manufactured by a group of four Polymarket accounts that have collectively pumped about $30 million of crypto into bets that Trump will win.

“There’s strong reason to believe they are the same entity,” said Miguel Morel, chief executive of Arkham Intelligence, a blockchain analysis firm that examined the accounts.

The big bets on Trump aren’t necessarily nefarious. Some observers have suggested that they were simply placed by a large bettor convinced that Trump will win and looking for a big payday. Others, however, see the bets as an influence campaign designed to fuel social-media buzz for the former president...

The accounts have plowed most of their money into straightforward bets on Trump’s winning the presidency, but they have also put millions of dollars into bets that he will win such swing states as Pennsylvania, as well as long-shot bets on Trump’s winning the popular vote...

Adam Cochran, a veteran crypto investor who has monitored the activity on Polymarket, said the betting spree appears to be an attempt to generate a sense of momentum for Trump going into Election Day. If Trump loses, his favorable odds in the betting markets could bolster arguments that the election was stolen from him, said Cochran, who described himself as a right-of-center voter backing Harris.

While $30 millon might seem costly, it is sufficient to swing the odds on Polymarket and not a large outlay for a deep-pocketed individual seeking to influence the election, added Cochran, managing partner of the venture-capital firm Cinneamhain Ventures...

“It is by far the most efficient political advertising one can buy,” Cochran said.

[Veronica]

Hmmm Jim that's interesting thank you for sharing. Iirc you did note in your Mundane Ingress about possible weirdness in regards to communications, this would certainly be an expression of that.

[SteveS]

I hear you Jim. For sure I will not be wagering on this Prez election now, astrologically its the most mixed I have ever seen with too much undecided about where the candidates will be located for their key return charts.

[SteveS]

Trump -175
Harris + 125

[SteveS]

Harris is rapidily losing ground in the betting polls:

Trump - 225
Harris + 145

[Jim Eshelman]

Harris is rapidily losing ground in the betting polls:

Trump - 225
Harris + 145

It doesn't seem that fast when you just look at the differences:

17-Oct - +310
25-Oct - +300
25-Oct - +300
30-Oct - +370

But, of course, I'd be pretty worried by this if we didn't already know that the betting boards are being manipulated by large cash dumps onto bets on Trump.

[Arena]

Yes indeed, she's losing. We have no way to know what and who is being manipulated. The betting boards might be, or might not be. The pollsters might be as well. All that is just guessing.

I wondered if that solar eclipse and perhaps the lunar eclipse would be affecting both their charts since they both have full moon charts. They say that it is likely to affect you in the whole sign house it lands. For Trump it's in the 3rd/9th axis in his chart whereas for Kamala it's in the 5th/11th axis.

To me it looks like t. Pluto in the eclipse is acting on Kamala's Sun-Moon and Mercury, perhaps to bring out or reveal some sort of "truth" (Pluto-Mer) about her or to test her communication skills. I've seen some very very negative things coming out about her, although I do not know if they are true or not. Your media is going a bit crazy these days. That malefic almost partile aspect from t. Saturn to her r. Pluto is almost like signaling a devastating loss. I've noticed that during this months she's revealed to the nation that she's not intellectually capable of speaking about her politics. She's just babbling strangely and with no structure or coherence to details or strong policy points. It's been weird to see and one has to wonder how on earth she made it this far being this incapable. It's embarrassing. So understandingly she's losing a lot now. She does have t. Jupiter close to her ASC, but it's outside the 3° range.

On the other hand, the solar eclipse charts is treating Trump much better in it's astrological vibrations. The Sun-Moon-Mer combo is squaring his r. Mer, perhaps shining light on his capable cognition and speech. No matter whether you agree with him or not, he's been doing very well in interviews with so many different podcasters and people. Those three planets are falling right between his r. Nep-Jup, so perhaps it's almost like effortless winning (although I don't see it as effortless to be doing all those interviews). That t. Jup in the eclipse chart landing straight upon his r. Sun-Moon and Nodes is a hell of a lot of benefic influence in the astro vibes and I think that is helping him a lot in having so much outreach and support. He's also getting help from so many hugely influential people that will possibly be on his team to govern. This is most likely the Jupiter to his Node (making very important benefic relationships/connections).

The Rogan interview is getting crazy outreach and both Google and Youtube tried to hide it for a full day (the full length interview didn't show up when people were looking for it - just clips from it). However it's back up now after they were found out and it now has over 40 million views just on Youtube. It's breaking records. Trump has been smart strategically to go on all the biggest podcasts for long interviews and they have much wider outreach than any of the traditional "news" stations.

Kamala has been invited as well, but would most likely lose both ways - she would lose by going on Rogan because she would probably not be capable of intellectual conversation for so long .... and she will also lose by not going.

Trump is clearly on the rise to win. And whether you like him or not, he simply has the upper hand astrologically. I've been watching polls and your early votes. But not all polls are accurate or good enough, we all know that. All in all, astrological vibes are simply MUCH better for Trump and I think he will win if the deep state won't be able to have him killed or somehow restricted before election day.

I still have to look at the inauguration day to see the astro vibes for that day. I'm not looking at lunar returns.

[Veronica]

Arena your words are so interesting to me as they really speak so much towards the synastry you have against Kamala and for Trump. It's so weird and powerful how the very words you choose to express yourself speak so deeply to this inner chemistry you have.
Sidereal Astrology sure speaks Truth! Thanks for these great synastry examples!

[SteveS]

Trump -200
Harris +130

[SteveS]

Trump -150
Harris +125

Trump’s favorite odds has dropped from -245 to -150 in the last few days, Harris staying about the same. According to these betting odds, this is the closest election race I have seen since I have been betting Prez Elections. Time will soon tell. These odds will probably be the last odds my bookie will post.

[Arena]

Are you making a bet Steve?
Should I perhaps do so as well?
How do you choose a broker?

[Jim Eshelman]

Updating this with Steve's recent additions.

Jun - +1435
3-Jul - +735
4-Jul - +620
5-Jul - +551
6-Jul - +575
8-Jul - +660
9-Jul - +875
10-Jul - +875
11-Jul - +700
12-Jul - +500
15-Jul - +1200
20-Jul - +600
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21-Jul - Biden withdraws
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22-Jul - +385
24-Jul - +220
26-Jul - +100
27-Jul - +75
30-Jul - +95
31-Jul - +50
2-Aug - +10
12-Aug - -35
16-Aug - -50
18-Aug - -30
26-Aug - -20
22-Sep - -60
7-Oct - 0
10-Oct - +10
14-Oct - +170
17-Oct - +310
25-Oct - +300
25-Oct - +300
30-Oct - +370
2-Nov - +330
4-Nov - +275
5-Nov - +325

[SteveS]

No Arena, I am not wagering a bet on this election, too many mixed charts of all kinds mundane/personal. This is the first time since I have been legal age to wager, I am not wagering on a Prez Election. Except for 2016, all candidates who have been a betting favorite have won Prez.

I have a bookie (now online) who was arranged for me by a friend back in the 70’s. If you want to set-up an account let me know by PM.

[SteveS]

My book did post a new line this morning reflecting some overnight favoritism from yesterday for Trump, but still a close election opinion from the gamblers/odds makers:

Trump -190
Harris +135

[Jim Eshelman]

His SLR last night was pretty awesome for him - as we always knew it would be. Nowwe justd see how all these competing factors play out.

[SteveS]

Indeed Jim, it’s been a very interesting astrological analytical election season with Biden removing himself for re-election.