Mike's Lunars with Eris

[Ember Nyx (Mike V)]

I'm gonna start another thread for my Lunar Returns with Eris as a core factor.

9/5/24 - SLR

t. Pluto IC +0°21'
r. Venus IC -4°44'
t. Eris Ds +5°03'

(t. Eris sq r. Eris 0°45' p)

Other partile:
t. Mars sq t. Neptune 4' M
t. Moon sq r. Saturn 22' M (vs r. Moon-Saturn around 2° natally)
t. Venus sq r. Neptune 37' M
r. Moon op r. Eris 37' M (This is a weird case... it's even closer in my natal chart, at 11' M, but that only applies in New Jersey. Moon and Eris are absolutely nowhere near each other in California normally.)
t. Neptune sq r. Sun 47'
t. Mars op r. Sun 49'

This has been an extremely busy 2 weeks for me. I began the SLR by performing a solo public ritual for others for the first time, in a special semi-private kickoff event. It was wildly powerful and I got a ton of positive feedback. In general, this has been a very spiritually-impactful 2 weeks.

Immediately after that, I matched on a dating site with someone who I ordinarily wouldn't have pursued due to seeming incompatibilities. She felt the same way. We initially agreed to just be friends, before we both felt compelled to pursue romance due to a rare and powerful spark that we felt. Things moved very quickly for a short time before it seemed to peter out (which is coming mostly from me coming back around to my initial perspective: I think we're just not really compatible long-term).

In the meantime, my life has been a never-ending stream of problems of various kinds that are complicated, and resistant to quick solutions. Lots of time wasted trying things that ended up not working. For example, ongoing car issues with unclear origin; wasted over an hour at the dealer for them to say "yeah we can't solve this before the end of the day today, and you live too far away to use our courtesy shuttle, so... go find someone else I guess?"

Pluto is quite evident in this, and so is Venus. The "other partile" aspects are good, which is a lot more obvious in a chart with no other aspects (except the totally uninterpretable Eris-Eris PVP aspect).

But beyond this, I feel that the last 2 paragraphs have a really strong Eris signature to them. It really adds a significant component to a chart this simple, and I think the chart is decidedly weaker without it. The romantic experience is strikingly similar to one I had a few years ago, in an SSR with Solar Moon to Venus-Pluto-Eris. I've seen the "wild goose chase" theme before in other LRs with Eris involvement. I think that that phrase, "wild goose chase," touches on something core going on here; I recall Jim's phrasing about "managing/wrangling chaos" with Eris natal aspects.

[Jim Eshelman]

I'm just musing (somewhat in amazement) that we're in a place where we can identify and talk about natal Eris in PVP aspect to transiting Uranus in a lunar return.

This is so far past what we could conceive of routinely looking at even a few years ago - let alone when I started in astrology. It's beyond most astrologers in the world even to seriously think about.

It makes me think what might have happened if Donald Bradley had somehow been given access to a microcomputer and today's software for the last ten years of his life (1965-75). Oh, what could have been!

[Ember Nyx (Mike V)]

This is so far past what we could conceive of routinely looking at even a few years ago - let alone when I started in astrology. It's beyond most astrologers in the world even to seriously think about.

Well, hopefully it eventually becomes commonplace

[Veronica]

Mike I really appreciate you sharing your insights and experiences with your charts. I appreciate your candor and unfrontedness about sharing details. It very helpful for me. It makes me feel like less of a freak of nature, an outcast and alien alone.

Considering most astrology books I've seen on the market dont even have a glimmer of understanding toward Pluto, let alone the Angular impact I'm not surprised Eris and PVP are not being properly researched and explored either.
Congratulations on your performance btw, that sounds so exciting and fun and I hope you continue to perform them and share your brilliance with the world.

[Ember Nyx (Mike V)]

Thanks for the kind words, Veronica I'm glad you find these sorts of posts useful.

This SLR is a few days away from expiring. I already went into the (very busy) first half of this chart, so taking a look at the second half of the lunar month...

Things were slightly less busy, but still, much busier than usual for me. A number of very impactful events happened to me and around me (thus affecting me), which is fitting for Pluto. It has remained a very spiritually fecund time. Natal Venus is also still quite appropriate (though it was foreground in the Demi-SLR too, with a similar orb). Aside from some more of the "wild goose chase" theme still happening, there isn't much that stands out to me that I think I need Eris to explain.

I'm not going to attempt to analyze the Eris-Eris PVP aspect. I see this commonly in assorted charts for people around my age and younger.

[Ember Nyx (Mike V)]

This is an SLR for which I'm tracking the PVP aspects in another thread. I'll copy and paste my thoughts on it, minus the PVP stuff.

r. Eris Z -0°09'
r. Saturn Ds +1°34'
r. Mercury Ds -1°48'
r. Neptune Ds +3°49'
t. Neptune MC +4°29'
r. Moon IC -8°25'
r. Sun WP-a 2°11'
r. Jupiter As +8°44'

r. Moon sq r. Neptune 0°08'
t. Neptune sq r. Neptune 0°40' M
r. Saturn sq r. Eris 1°56'
t. Neptune sq r. Sun 2°11'
r. Moon sq r. Saturn 2°35'
r. Mercury sq r. Eris 2°43'
r. Saturn co r. Neptune 2°43'
t. Neptune sq r. Saturn 2°55' M

r. Mars sq r. Saturn 0°24' p
r. Mars sq r. Neptune 0°25' p
r. Mercury sq r. Mars 1°49' p
r. Mars sq r. Jupiter 2°05' p

It's my Moon-Saturn-Neptune on angles, plus the Mercury-Saturn-Eris ecliptical cluster. [...]

At best, it looks like my intense creativity coming out to play, with a mind for slow and steady work - but this can easily turn confusing, reactive, and depressive. Circumstances probably rouse intense emotional reactions. I look like I'm a pain in the butt for others to deal with. (Sorry in advance. I'll try to be creative during this time instead.)

Natal Eris - without transiting Eris, for once - is an interesting addition to the mix. Despite the help of getting to see a year's worth of transits to natal Eris, I'm not very confident in interpreting it alongside the rest of this stuff. It makes me think of unforced errors, and the ordeal of either being taught by complexity or being caught totally off-guard by it.

[Ember Nyx (Mike V)]

My immediate reaction to this SLR turning on is relief. That is not what I would have expected, and it could be attributed to unrelated factors (I recently had a Saturn octile to solar Pluto leave orb for the last time, but that was a few days ago).

[Ember Nyx (Mike V)]

Well, that relief didn't last very long!

The Mercury-Saturn and double Neptune were quite evident - I couldn't get myself to focus on anything productive basically all month, and depression, psychological tension, pessimism, and powerful emotional reactions have all been evident.

I've had a lot of things going on in my life in the past 2 weeks, but they are dominated by my reaction to the election. (I'm not interested in hearing alternate takes about the election.) I should add that I had an unexpectedly good date before that happened, and the "contrary to my preconceived notions; getting taught by experience" part matches my experiences with Eris so far (I had a Mercury transit to Eris for that date as well, which involved a number of minor misunderstandings).

I have felt somewhat more disorganized than usual, and apathy and nihilism have come up, but it is reasonable to blame all of that on the other factors.

I'm trying to imagine if natal Pluto had been foreground in this SLR, and how my experience has been different than I would've expected that to be.
If anything, I do feel like I've expanded my perspective on matters by confronting the nuance and complexity of the current time.

[SteveS]

Excellent example Mike how we take planetary symbolism relative to whats going-on in out immediate living environments, and learning with our SLRs.

[Jim Eshelman]

I'm so sorry to hear the effect this had on you, though I entirely understand it.

[Ember Nyx (Mike V)]

t. Eris 100% (Ds -0°34')
r. Mercury 96% (IC +3°24')
t. Pluto 89% (IC -7°21')
r. Eris 83% (Ds +8°11')
r. Moon 82% (As +8°27') (also t. Moon Ds +9°06')
r. Saturn 80% (IC +8°58')

t. Moon sq r. Saturn 0°08' M
r. Moon op r. Eris 0°16' M
r. Saturn sq r. Eris 0°47' M
r. Mercury sq r. Eris 2°43'

PVP aspects
t. Uranus sq r. Eris 0°20' p
t. Eris op r. Mars 0°31' p
t. Eris sq r. Eris 0°53' p
r. Mars sq r. Eris 1°22' p
t. Moon sq r. Mars 1°30 p
r. Moon sq r. Mars 1°48' p
t. Moon sq t. Eris 1°59' p
t. Eris sq r. Moon 2°16' p
t. Uranus op r. Mars 2°31' p

This is heavily about transiting Eris barely over half a degree below Descendant, and close natal Moon-Saturn-Eris aspects (with natal Mercury in a reasonably prominent spot as well). I'd expect this to feel emotionally cautious, withdrawn, pessimistic, and requiring control over circumstances, plus whatever Eris's contribution to that is. Mercury being foreground is reasonable considering I have a flight booked to Milwaukee for my SSR that will occur under this chart. (That relocated Demi-SLR is purely transiting Uranus and natal Pluto not in aspect. There are numerous non-foreground partile aspects, which are mostly mundane interchanges between t./r. Moon and r. Mercury-Eris, as well as t.Venus and Mars separately to r. Venus.)

Unfortunately, most of the close PVP aspects involve Eris, so I'm not sure how much I'll be able to make sense of those. Depending on how things go, I may or may not even post this chart to my PVP aspect thread.

[Ember Nyx (Mike V)]

Regarding Eris...

I'm having a lot of miscellaneous back-and-forth things involving friends, not directly, but through others; e.g. "this other person sucks and you're on my side, right?" And I usually am on their side in the moment. It's taking effort not to emotionally paint myself into a corner in these situations.

Moon-Saturn is evident in how slow, unmotivated, and drained I've been; the rest of the aspects involve Eris and I'm not certain how to interpret them here. I will say that I am in a state of mind that is reminiscent of my teen years, in the sense of not wanting to strain or struggle to find the "right course of action" in most circumstances, just being content to do what feels good and just limp through day to day. (I would consider my current level of "limping" to be a much higher level of functioning than I had in my teens, but the mood is very similar.)

The reason I say that is that this chart has that mundane Moon-Eris aspect that I grew up with, but which I don't actually have here in California, so I find it interesting that I recognize something about my internal experience which reminds me of "being back home" in a sense. But it could just be a manifestation of Moon-Saturn.

There's still another week for this chart to develop, although it will compete with my relocated Demi-SLR in a few days.

[Jim Eshelman]

I think you mean your new lunar in a few days, since Moon is in Cancer today.

That Moon-Saturn-Eris combination is interesting. I'm not sure I have any more sense of what to make of it than you do, though the "throwback" sense is very interesting (and, as you say, could be just Moon-Saturn).

The friends anecdote struck me as classic 12th house stuff which made me think Neptune was involved. You do have a partile (nonangular) mundane transit of Neptune to natal Sun that - come to think of it - sounds like everything else you mentioned - just to confuse things even more.

[Ember Nyx (Mike V)]

I think you mean your new lunar in a few days, since Moon is in Cancer today.

Yes, that is what I mean, thank you.

That Moon-Saturn-Eris combination is interesting. I'm not sure I have any more sense of what to make of it than you do, though the "throwback" sense is very interesting (and, as you say, could be just Moon-Saturn).

I have several semi-friends from high school whose birthdays are very close to mine (within a month in either direction), as well as several other friends who happen to have Saturn-Eris but aren't close to me in age - the thing I think of that ties most of us together is a sense of helplessness and fatalism about life direction, something like "yeah, things in the world are F'd, my future is F'd, I'm just gonna get high and play video games, wanna join?" (Many of us also happen to have Moon-Eris involvement.)

This feeling has crept back into me during this period, even though, again, this experience is at a higher and more functional level than it was growing up. (And the strongest standout cases in my notes have yet to recover from, or harness, this.)

Something else that is interesting to me about this period with Eris foreground...

I am trying to compare it to what I might expect from transiting (or even natal) Pluto foreground. While there is a quality that feels somewhat existential, I am definitely not singled out or alone in the way I would expect from Pluto. In fact, I'm surrounded on all sides by good and reliable friends (even if they are currently bickering about each other). This is something else that I had throughout life with a close Moon-Eris aspect: while there were many social and romantic things missing in my life, I never lacked for really intimate friendships.

[Jim Eshelman]

I have several semi-friends from high school whose birthdays are very close to mine (within a month in either direction), as well as several other friends who happen to have Saturn-Eris but aren't close to me in age - the thing I think of that ties most of us together is a sense of helplessness and fatalism about life direction, something like "yeah, things in the world are F'd, my future is F'd, I'm just gonna get high and play video games, wanna join?" (Many of us also happen to have Moon-Eris involvement.)

If born within a month of you, they also have Saturn-Neptune conjunctions, right? That can produce what you describe. - If Moon is involved in the mix, does this mean they also have Moon-Saturn-Neptune?

My usual for Saturn-Eris is some version of "gains control of the uncertain" or :manages to control chaos" - for example, a lot of ceremonial magicians have this and those particular examples are of the "serve the universe and humanity by taming or controlling chaotic forces," or something ike that (I just romanticized it, but that's the general idea). Often they inspire certainty in times of uncertainty (maybe having a need to lock things down to make them manageable, or clinging to certainty in the midst of the seemingly unmanageable).

[Ember Nyx (Mike V)]

Let's see...

Cases where they just gave up

J.S.
Mercury 90 Eris
Mars 120 Eris
Saturn 0 Neptune 90 Eris
Sun 90 Eris (almost 7°)

G.N.
Saturn 0 Neptune 90 Eris

Cases where they struggled mightily and often failed, and spiraled about it
Some have gotten a handle on things; some have not.

Ember Nyx
Moon 90 Saturn 0 Neptune
Moon 0 Eris
Saturn 90 Eris
Mercury 90 Eris
Neptune 90 Eris
Mars 135 Eris

D.S. (note that this is not the person with those initials that you and I both know)
Eris Ds (9°)
Sun 60 Eris
Neptune 90 Eris

R.F.
Moon 60 Saturn 0 Eris
Venus 60 Eris (they're the only one with Venus-Eris in my samples who I put into this category)
Jupiter 60 Eris
Pluto 135 Eris

M.P.
Eris As
Mars 60 Eris
Neptune 90 Eris

D.L.
Moon 0 Sun 90 Eris (Sun-Moon at 6°)
Saturn 60 Eris
Neptune 90 Eris
Uranus 90 Eris