Moon-Neptune aspect (SSR)

[Arena]

Oct 10, 2014
I see the description of Moon-Neptune aspect in an SSR says you will be lied to or deceived. Can this aspect also act the other way round. That you actually get into a situation and start lying, cheating or deceiving someone?

[Arena]

I see the description of Moon-Neptune aspect in an SSR says you will be lied to or deceived. Can this aspect also act the other way round. That you actually get into a situation and start lying, cheating or deceiving someone?

Yes.

But note the distinction between whether the Moon is aspecting transiting Neptune - something coming from outside of you - or natal Neptune - something from within you.

For s. Moon aspecting s. Neptune (that is, t. Neptune), I wrote:
Circumstances evoke an exaggerated (irrational) feeling response (not necessarily bad, but inclined to mood swings, emotional confusion, hyperbolic reactions or instability). Sensitivity (impressionable, vulnerable, easily wounded then withdraws; or attuned to others, empathic, psychic, sympathetic). Prone to psychic overload. Imagination active (painting, music, drama, fantasy). Idealism. Seduction, victimization, deception, exploitation. Sluggishness (slowed circulation?). Worry, fear of rejection, frustration, anxiety, feeling cornered (threatened).

For s. Moon aspecting r. Neptune, I wrote:
Refined sensitivity (empathy or vulnerability; easily influenced, open to experiences, psychic). Intense emotional component (exaggerated reactions, taking things too personally). Imagination, idealism, inspiration, fertile power of visualization. Embarrassment, frustration, anxiety, hysteria, confusion, disorientation as a likely reaction to stress. Emotional security needs are emphasized (overdependence, exaggerated need to merge with another, clinging to a degenerate pair-bond). Retreat into one's own private world (distorted perceptions). Indulgence (thirst for sensation; tendency to excess). Be more aware of your subconscious motivations.

I don't see that I said "lying" in either case, though I used the words "seduction, victimization, deception, exploitation" for Moon to t. Neptune. Notice that I didn't distinguish which side of the seduction, victimization, deception, or exploitation one is on. This was intentional.

[Arena]

I was looking into tr. Moon and tr. Neptune in an SSR ...

t. MOON aspecting t. NEPTUNE
"...the native is subject to humiliation and puzzlement. The best laid plans of mice and men crumple up in an unsightly heap... the frustrating, ridiculing and final failure of every personal motive." "...portend danger from poisonous substances, rancid foods, use of drugs, consumption of liquor and delirium-tremens during the intoxication. The paralytic diseases are Neptunian."
Conjunction: "in particular, is the most ignominious in effect."
Square and Opposition: "...intrigue and delusion of the native who is exploited and lied to. Circumstances arise which perplex or vampirize him and cause him to feel 'cornered,' as though some mysterious plot against him was operating."

I guess lying was the word that came into my mind when reading this.

But I would also like to find out how a trine would be different from a square/opp/conj. A trine is usually considered a more positive aspect - do you agree?

[Arena]

But I would also like to find out how a trine would be different from a square/opp/conj. A trine is usually considered a more positive aspect - do you agree?

Generally, despite what Bradley's first-generation work says, one of the important things we learned is that trines and sextiles are essentially worthless in solar and lunar returns. Tight, crisp analysis based on conjunctions, oppositions, and squares between/among foreground planets - these tell the story primarily.