Musicians for decades, U2, Michael Jackson and more

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Oct 17, 2014
I would like to suggest an astrological discussion if someone here is interested.
I've been listening to music lately and I always admire good musicians for the great talents they have and to be able to compose so many good songs for such a long time, even lifetime.
I've often wondered if they might have something in common in their astro charts, so now as I am reading about sidereal - it would supposedly be some similarities in angular planets and important aspects.

So I start with U2. They've been around for a long time.
And the lead singer is Bono Vox... but we must look at the great musicians in the whole band as they work together as a group - so it is their dynamics together that make the great music (imo)

I do not know if you have another birth time for the members, it does sound like a roundoff for Bono at 2AM but this is what I found for him.
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Bono_(Irish)


His most angular planets in the mundo chart are Saturn 2,43° above the Asc and Uranus 9,25° above the Dsc.
I'd like to note down here the partile aspects of the mundo chart as I think they are interesting.
*** ASPECTS LIST REPORT ***

Bono Vox - Z-Analogue Prime Vert

Aspect Set: Standard Aspects - General Purpose
Aspects of Longitude

Sorted by Orb - Maximum Aspect Orb 1°00'

Jup Tri Nep 0°07' S
Sun Tri PF 0°26' A
Ven Opp Nep 0°47' A
Ven Sxt Jup 0°40' A
*** END REPORT ***

An interesting theme in his chart is the Neptune/Venus+Mercury opposition. Creativity in abundance I would think.

His ecliptic chart shows the Sun foreground - but not in his mundoscope. I would expect such a famous person to have Sun foreground.
Anyway, here are his aspects in ecliptic chart, I take opp, sq, conj. sext and trine.
I don't know what you do about aspects to the points like Vx, do you look at them or not?

*** ASPECTS LIST REPORT ***

Bono Vox - Natal Chart

Aspect Set: Standard Aspects - General Purpose
Aspects of Longitude

Sorted by Orb - Maximum Aspect Orb 1°00'

Mon Sxt Jup 0°04' A
Ven Opp Nep 0°11' S
Mon Sxt Vx 0°21' A
Jup Tri Vx 0°25' A
Mon Sxt Plu 0°39' A
Jup Tri Plu 0°35' S
Chi Opp Vx 0°38' S
Mon Tri Chi 1°00' S
*** END REPORT ***

Just this quick look explains long time fame - Uranus on the Dsc.
And the Neptune-Venus-Mercury explains the great creative mind and probably love of music.

But I allow myself to look at his chart with a little bit earlier birth time to see his MC move into Libra, making the Neptune-Venus-Mercury a foreground aspect and planets which also makes his natal Sun angular on the IC AND it moves his Asc in between Jupiter and Saturn, with Jupiter coming into the picture as a foreground planet now... to me it seems like it is very likely that his birth time might be somewhere between 1-2AM, but not necessarily to the minute of 2AM.

Where does Bono live? Edge? Adam? Larry?

Each member of the band still lives in the Dublin area, where they grew up and first formed the band. It's not our place to give out specific addresses or directions to their homes, so you'll have to look elsewhere for that. Coincidentally, the homes of several members of the band have been discussed in some detail in the newspapers in recent years for various expansions and additions being sought and undertaken at their homes. The band members also have various residences in other parts of the world, too. Edge was in the press in late 2000 when he and Morleigh purchased a home in Malibu, California. The Edge and Bono also have homes in Eze in the south of France.

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...it does sound like a roundoff for Bono at 2AM but this is what I found for him.

Yes, 2:00 AM is from him directly, and he seems firm that it was an exact time, not a round-off.

You have outlined his primary factors really well, except I'm not sure why you are relying on the Mundoscope aspects rather than the horoscope aspects. (Except for Jupiter-Neptune, everything you emphasize from the Mundoscope aspects is also present in the horoscope.) Let me do the breakdown from the top as a comparison for you.

His strongest constellations are: Sun in Aries, Moon in Libra, Mars in Pisces.

His most angular planet is Saturn, 2°43' above Ascendant (an astrological indication of why he was considered a suitable proposal to head the World Bank a few years ago). Uranus also is foreground, not quite 10° above Descendant. Half of his planets are background, with 'Sun being in the immediate background.

His most important aspects, ranked as I think most important, are:

Moon-Jupiter sextile (0°03')
Moon-Pluto sextile (0°39')
-- Jupiter-Pluto trine (0°36')
Venus-Neptune opposition (0°11')
-- Mercury-Venus conjunction (2°53')
-- Mercury-Neptune opposition (3°04')
-- Moon-Neptune conjunction (4°30')
-- Moon-Venus opposition (4°41')
Sun-Saturn trine (1°04')
Sun-Uranus square (2°20')
Saturn-Pluto sesquisquare (0°18')
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Mars-Jupiter square (3°58')
Venus-Pluto trine (4°02')

His ecliptic chart shows the Sun foreground - but not in his mundoscope.

Even from his ecliptic chart, you can see that Sun is almost exactly conjunct the 3rd Cusp - so you know that it is in the immediate background even before looking at the Mundoscope (which confirms it).

I would expect such a famous person to have Sun foreground.

A lot of famous people have background Suns. One of Bono's great character traits is that "it's not all about him." This shows in his musicianship and in his consciousness raising and other political activities.

I don't know what you do about aspects to the points like Vx, do you look at them or not?

No. Angles make no aspects. They are positions, not points.

But I allow myself to look at his chart with a little bit earlier birth time to see his MC move into Libra, making the Neptune-Venus-Mercury a foreground aspect and planets which also makes his natal Sun angular on the IC AND it moves his Asc in between Jupiter and Saturn, with Jupiter coming into the picture as a foreground planet now... to me it seems like it is very likely that his birth time might be somewhere between 1-2AM, but not necessarily to the minute of 2AM.

May I suggest a warning? This is one of the things that makes astrology look really bad, and has us think crazy things about astrology that aren't true. You don't like what you see in the chart, and so you change the chart to make it look like what you think it should be. Almost always this sort of move only shows off how little somebody knows about astrology.

You take someone who has Saturn rising and a background Sun - someone who's hallmark has been demonstrating that "it's all about the work, not his ego," and you displace it to give him an angular Sun. You give enough value to a Libra MC to alter a carefully stated birth time, even though statistics show that Midheaven and Ascendant sign expressions are weak. (I have to chuckle over one of the changes: For a Libra MC, one of the character traits that occurred so infrequently as to be statistically low is "poet." If we were to rely on the MC sign, we'd have to predict that Bono is not a poet. This would be quite wrong. Libra MC folks, as a rule, are also not travellers, not passionate, and not idealists - 100% on every count for Bono.)

PS - The first event I pulled up for him, just to spot check the chart, was the death of his mother from a stroke at his father's funeral - both parents dying almost at once, with the mother's death especially being a real shocker and affecting him powerfully. His Demi-Lunar Return a few days before had Pluto rising, Uranus exactly on Eastpoint, and natal at MC (all natal planets), all quite appropriate. While we would be inclined to accept the birth time as given simply because there was no reason not to trust the source, this chart does nothing to chase me away from it.

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Thanks for your input Jim.
I have to state now that I did not state or assert that Bono was born another time - but I allowed myself to think openly, think aloud. It is a way of conversation in a way.

I do not rely more on any aspect over another, just the tightest aspects. You have stated yourself that we must observe the mundo aspects as well as ecliptic and that is what I do.
http://solunars.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t ... tes#p16147

In my humble opinion I must say that if aspects work at all, they would work in similar ways for all - that is to say, if aspects are actually working in the mundoscope for some people like Bill Gates, then they would be also for other people.

About the angular planets. I can see your point about Saturn angular and the World bank and his fighting for lowering dept of African countries. I myself have Saturn angular and this issue is very strong for me as well and I have myself been a public figure fighting for better loans and better economy for the people because I think that what we have today is modern slavery. But I did not see this description about Saturn angular in here: http://solunars.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=1997&p=71#p79 ... and Saturn angular is very low for artists and writers so it is surprising. The description doesn't even mention money issues related to Saturn and if I remember correctly money is a Jupiter issue in sidereal view? I must state as well that I do have Jupiter angular as well which is probably more the fighting for money justice kind of planet - unless there is some meaning of Saturn that I have not seen in here. By reading about Jupiter angular and Saturn angular I do not think it is such an absurd idea to see Jupiter traits in this guy, Bono. To me they are blatantly obvious - but they can also be explained by aspects I guess.

When you say

You give enough value to a Libra MC to alter a carefully stated birth time, even though statistics show that Midheaven and Ascendant sign expressions are weak. (I have to chuckle over one of the changes: For a Libra MC, one of the character traits that occurred so infrequently as to be statistically low is "poet." If we were to rely on the MC sign, we'd have to predict that Bono is not a poet. This would be quite wrong. Libra MC folks, as a rule, are also not travellers, not passionate, and not idealists - 100% on every count for Bono.)

...it seems to me that you are putting way too much emphasizes on Libra MC - way more than I did... I was looking much more into what planets and aspects would become angular by this. Him being a traveller, passionate and idealist can indeed be explained by so many things in his chart and having nothing to do with the placement of MC by sign. It could indeed be explained also if he had Jupiter closer to Asc. But that is just one way to look at it.

About Sun foreground/angular... I have not seen a sidereal description saying that a person with Sun angular is full of themselves and all ego and that there certainly is no other way for an angular Sun to manifest in personality traits. I guess they can be, but I guess other factors play a part so that they could also just be " warm, friendly, generous, sharing the light of their personalities with the world (often in a paternal, possibly controlling, sense)" - so in other words, very nice famous people. ... The description also states that "Egoic energies appear to be much more dominant and obvious with Sun on MC/Asc than IC/Dsc" ...but I am not arguing that Bono must have an angular Sun, I was just thinking out loud that it would indeed be possible IF his birth time in BC would be a quarter earlier f.ex.


The reason for me voicing out what I was thinking aloud to you in this forum is not that I do not like what I see in Bono's chart. But I just couldn't help but wonder what would happen if I moved back just a few minutes, especially knowing after giving birth to three children that staff at hospitals do not always think that the most important thing to do when the child enters the world is to write down the exact minute to make sure astrologers will be 100% sure to have the right info later on. In my humble opinion this is a valid thought.

The observation I made about MC moving was mostly about the Neptune-Venus-Mercury becoming an angular aspect which I would think very fitting for this man of musical talent and writing.

You said:

PS - The first event I pulled up for him, just to spot check the chart, was the death of his mother from a stroke at his father's funeral - both parents dying almost at once, with the mother's death especially being a real shocker and affecting him powerfully. His Demi-Lunar Return a few days before had Pluto rising, Uranus exactly on Eastpoint, and natal at MC (all natal planets), all quite appropriate.

Wikipedia says this is that date:

Bono was 14 when his mother died on 10 September 1974 after suffering a cerebral aneurysm at her father's funeral.

I did not post the first post to state that the chart had done something "to chase me away from it"
On the contrary, I just wanted to observe what was there and since the birthtime given was one of those roundoff looking time (I think that statistically it is very unlikely to be born at the hour precisely) - that just made me wonder.

I must add as I end this post that I am not looking for an argument - I am more willing to just discuss and converse about this subject.

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You have stated yourself that we must observe the mundo aspects as well as ecliptic and that is what I do.
http://solunars.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t ... tes#p16147

That's not what that says. Is that the right quote?

especially knowing after giving birth to three children that staff at hospitals do not always think that the most important thing to do when the child enters the world is to write down the exact minute to make sure astrologers will be 100% sure to have the right info later on.

Having worked in labor and delivery, I can say for sure, a hospital birth, that's the time within a minute. Obstetricians are the doctors most likely to get sued, and lawyers love it when the nursing notes don't match the timeline. There is a nurse there, writing down every single thing and the time it happened.

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Sorry if I wasn't clear on the mundane aspects.

I do think they need to be given identical weight in solar and lunar ingresses.

In natal charts, I remain agnostic. I gave some examples to suggest there might be something to look at, but I definitely remain agnostic on the question of their value in natal charts.

As a side note - just for discussion - I'm not sure that if these prove themselves in the horoscopes if highly successful people then they also must work n everyone's chart. There may be some factors - some layer - that only emerges as a characteristic of genius or eminence or success, etc. (Speaking entirely theoretically.) But that isn't a factor here, since Bono certainly qualifies for genius, eminence, and success!

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JSAD, it seems like you live in the USA?
In most other countries people are not paranoid about being sued all the time... it happens on rare occasions, but I've noticed it very strong in the USA that people do actually think about this possibility on daily basis. That is not the norm in the world though to think like that. And even though this is the case in most cases today you do not know for a fact that this was the case in every hospital 50 yrs ago or 100 yrs ago with home births.

In most cases for hospital births there is a nurse, that is right - but not all cases. And she might not be there all the time and she might actually be helping with delivery as the baby comes and then makes the notes afterwards. If the baby need tapping on it's back and some kind of care - they attend to those needs first and they usually work together doing that. In some cases people are not born in hospitals. I for one decided to have my first two children at home delivery. Then there will only be a midwife helping with delivery. She helps deliver and then after the baby is fine in the mother's arms she goes to make the notes and has to guess a minute a bit earlier.
I am just saying that not all births are alike and there are different situations in births. F.ex. in most hospitals there is not the same amount of staff during nights as during days. But please let's not argue about this, it is a very well known fact that not all births are the same and some are not stated to the minute on a BC.

And yes, actually that link is a speculation about mundane aspects and I thank you Jim for your explanation. As I understand you it is not something that has been researched enough to be sure how to look at the mundane aspects - and yes I agree that Bono can certainly be considered genius, eminence and success I would also consider him a politician without the parliament - political activist and rebellious.

Bono writes almost all U2 lyrics, frequently using religious, social, and political themes.

He has enjoyed great long term success and is very rich (sound like he has Jupiter working with him)

About angular Sun - I thought that you consider a planet angular if it is within 10°from an angle? And actually his Sun is just about 10° from the IC, (9.26)

THE FOREGROUND is the area 10° of PV longitude either side of the angles, or 20° out of every quadrant.

http://solunars.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=2079

And here you say the IC and angularity around that would means that "its effects are simply more private and therefore hidden from the casual observer. Domestic concerns, property, family and other resources may all be affected if we feel a need to look for specific outer manifestations". So in other words, the expression of angular planets at the IC would be more private.
Have you seen many cases for long term famous people having an angular Sun on either MC or IC and they do not necessarily come across as only egotistic, but are actually capable of being " warm, friendly, generous, sharing the light of their personalities with the world" in a generous non-egotistical ways?

Anyway - I am the kind of student of astrology that keep my mind open to possibilities when I look at charts. I do not see them as a carved stone until I have looked very carefully into it. I do not think the only reason for that would be that I do not know anything - it is just the kind of approach I have to most things in life, I think of more than one side of the coin in politics as well, I consider many alternatives before I make up my mind.

Again I'd like to say that I am not arguing that his birth time is not correct - I just wouldn't believe blindly that it is the only possibility.

I do see the theme of his 1974 solar return to bring about sadness and possible loss as it has the Pluto-Venus-Saturn angularity and I do think we should consider how close the Moon is to being angular as well... it is 10.50 from IC that year in mundoscope if his birth time is at 2AM.

He did get awarded in 2008 "On 11 December 2008, Bono was given the annual Man of Peace prize, awarded by several Nobel Peace Prize laureates in Paris, France"
His 2008 SSR in mundo shows the Moon and Mars angular on ASC as well as Jupiter and Pluto angular on Dsc.
His horoscope SSR for that year shows
*** ASPECTS LIST REPORT ***

Bono Vox
Bono Vox - Solar Return

Aspect Set: Standard Aspects - General Purpose
Aspects of Longitude

Sorted by Orb - Maximum Aspect Orb 3°00'

Mar Qnx Plu 0°31' A
Jup Sxt Ura 0°36' A
Mon SSq Mer 0°59' S
Sat Tri Plu 0°56' S
Sun Tri Jup 2°19' A
Sun Sxt Ura 1°43' A
*** END REPORT ***

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And yes, actually that link is a speculation about mundane aspects and I thank you Jim for your explanation. As I understand you it is not something that has been researched enough to be sure how to look at the mundane aspects

Correct.

He has enjoyed great long term success and is very rich (sound like he has Jupiter working with him)

Saturn accumulates wealth - they hold onto it. In terms of acquiring it, the Saturn plus the Aries has the kind of business drive. But yes, he also has Jupiter going for him, since Moon is only 0°03' from sextile Jupiter.

About angular Sun - I thought that you consider a planet angular if it is within 10°from an angle? And actually his Sun is just about 10° from the IC, (9.26)

You can't measure foreground in the zodiac, though - only mundanely, i.e., in the Mundoscope. Sun is actually 26°38' from the IC (or 3°22' from the 3rd cusp), in the immediate background.

THE FOREGROUND is the area 10° of PV longitude either side of the angles, or 20° out of every quadrant.

Yes. "PV longitude" (Prime Vertical longitude) refers to the Mundoscope position.

Have you seen many cases for long term famous people having an angular Sun on either MC or IC and they do not necessarily come across as only egotistic, but are actually capable of being " warm, friendly, generous, sharing the light of their personalities with the world" in a generous non-egotistical ways?

I'd have to pull up a query, and create a pool to go back do a Mundoscope calculation on each - an hour or two of work. (I'm not overly interested in famous people's charts, though they make good examples when writing.) Yes, the very best - those with a true, emergent spiritual presence - are going to be like that, although, in another sense, there's necessarily the side of "it's all about them," i.e., the experience tends to be that they are the universe's gift to humanity and they must fulfill that in their giving. It's certainly fair to interpret Saturn rising and Sun in the immediate background as,. "It's about the work, not about him."

Anyway - I am the kind of student of astrology that keep my mind open to possibilities when I look at charts. I do not see them as a carved stone until I have looked very carefully into it.

The only problem I've seen from this is your tendency to (pretty routinely) doubt birth times. For decades, I've seen this as a direct path down the toilet.

Again I'd like to say that I am not arguing that his birth time is not correct - I just wouldn't believe blindly that it is the only possibility.

I think that if we are to be taken at all seriously, we need to blindly assume that given birth times are correct. Anything else is "fudging," makes us look to the outside world as if we're just making any rule we want - and, more importantly, loses us the chance to actually learn something, being surprised at how something turns out, going, "Oh's THAT'S how Saturn works," etc.

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JSAD, it seems like you live in the USA?
In most other countries people are not paranoid about being sued all the time... it happens on rare occasions, but I've noticed it very strong in the USA that people do actually think about this possibility on daily basis. That is not the norm in the world though to think like that. And even though this is the case in most cases today you do not know for a fact that this was the case in every hospital 50 yrs ago or 100 yrs ago with home births.

I know what the European standards were 50 years ago. I was one of the people working on improving the US standards. It was my job to know.

Birth is not usually an emergency, and doesn't cause a panic situation. Most people can glance at a clock and hold a time in their memory for several minutes. Anyone who can't should be sent to the kitchen to boil water or something.

The norm is most recorded times of birth in the US and Europe in the last 75 years are accurate and do not need to be rectified. That's true in most of the world. There are edge cases where it isn't, but they are just that - edge cases. There's a one in sixty chance of a birth time being on the hour, and one in ten chance of a birth time ending in a zero just going from the math. It's not a reason to doubt the accuracy of the time.

While most Europeans can't sue as easily, medical personnel can be fired or prosecuted far more easily than in the US. Our system of private lawsuits simply takes the place of some of the criminal system in most European countries. It's not a better system or a worse one. It's just different.

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JSAD, I wasn't talking about your criminal system, I was referring to the culture in USA of always being afraid that someone will sue you for something. This is not the culture in Europe. It might actually be explained by the USA chart - I don't know.

Jim, I see I made a mistake looking at the ecliptic instead of mundane as I was checking the Sun.

I don't know if you have seen any routine in my doubting birth times, but I certainly do sometimes and I will continue to do so, just like I doubt many other things as well. In my own case I've doubted it for a very very long time - but since looking into the sidereal system a lot of it makes sense. I can say for sure Jim that if I would not have been so doubtful about astrology and finding it not fitting in so many cases I know - I would never have got to this forum. It was actually because of the way I think in very critical terms (and even though you think there should be no emphasis at all about the angles in signs, I'll tell you this) - I did get a friend of mine that is a practicing astrologer to look into her own chart because I could not get it to fit to how her life is and how she is. And one of the clues I got was that her MC could not be in Aries, it had to be in Pisces because of all the work she has done in her life is very Piscean. And she got curious and I told her to look into sidereal astrology. But this thread is not about me or the American criminal system or guarantees from hospitals about accurate birth times.

I'd like to continue the thread having a conversation about the actual topic of it, about the successful musicians of our times and look into if they share some similarities in their charts. I find such unique gifts interesting enough to look closely into it and was hoping that you might as well.

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The Edge (born Aug 8th 1961 in Barking, Essex, UK) is another very creative person in the band, but I do not find a birth time for him. But I just looked into his planetary figuration to see if there are tight aspects on his birthday, even though we can't know which planets are angular. Does anyone know his birth time?

He has Sun in Cancer, Moon in Gemini and Mars in 1st° of Virgo

This is what SolarFire gives me of his aspect - but I'll leave out the Moon since we do not know the time.
*** ASPECTS LIST REPORT ***

U2 The Edge - Natal Chart

Aspect Set: Standard Aspects - General Purpose
Aspects of Longitude

Sorted by Orb - Maximum Aspect Orb 3°00'

Mer Sqr Nep 0°17' S
Sat Qnx Ura 0°21' S
Mar Tri Sat 0°31' A
Mer SSq Mar 0°41' A
Mar SSq Nep 0°58' S
Ven Sxt Plu 1°37' A
Nep Sxt Plu 1°33' A

*** END REPORT ***

If he is born shortly after midnight then he has his Moon very close conjunct Venus and in trine to Neptune, sextile to Pluto. If he is born later than 10AM that day his Moon goes out of orb for those planets and does not make other aspects during the day.

He has a tight Mer-Nep sq, sound like his creative mind might be strong, but also a perfecionist.
http://solunars.net/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=30#p145

He has Mars-Saturn trine which indicates "an inborn sense of weakness or inadequacy", struggle, hardship, but also "The mind of a hunter - a "killer's instinct" - Fighting one's limits - driven!"
http://solunars.net/viewtopic.php?f=19& ... rt=15#p154

He has Venus sextile Pluto (Bono has Venus trine Pluto if we allow 4°)
http://solunars.net/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=30#p152

He has Nep sext Pluto as well (and shares it with Bono if 4° is allowed)
http://solunars.net/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=31#p169

If we do take up to 5°orb, we see that he has a Venus-Neptune trine. So that would be one aspect in common for him and Bono - Bono has the opposition though.

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Larry Mullen jr, drummer is born October 31, 1961, in Dublin, Ireland, birth time unknown so I approach it the same way as Edge's chart.


Sun conjunct Neptune in Libra, Moon in Cancer and Mars in Libra

*** ASPECTS LIST REPORT ***

U2 Larry Mullen - Natal Chart

Aspect Set: Standard Aspects - General Purpose
Aspects of Longitude

Sorted by Orb - Maximum Aspect Orb 3°00'

Jup Qnx Ura 0°24' A
Sat Sqq Plu 0°31' A
Mer Sqr Sat 1°51'
Nep Sxt Plu 1°15' S
Sun Sxt Plu 1°51' A

*** END REPORT ***

I'll look at Mercury sq Saturn, serious approach to life, discipline, security and critical mind
http://solunars.net/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=30#p143

He has the Neptune - Pluto connection like the others, and it is a sextile in all cases.
viewtopic.php?f=19&t=31#p169

He has Sun sextile Pluto as well, Antiauthoritarian, "who accomplish things never done before"
http://solunars.net/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=29#p130

Just around 3° orb is the Neptune conjunct Sun aspect
http://solunars.net/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=29#p129

He could very likely have his Moon square his Sun-Neptune conjunction, depending on hour of birth.

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Adam Clayton is born March 13, 1960, in Chinnor, UK - birht hour unknown.

He has Sun in Aquarius, Moon in either Leo or Virgo, Mars in Capricorn

*** ASPECTS LIST REPORT ***

U2 Adam Clayton - Natal Chart

Aspect Set: Standard Aspects - General Purpose
Aspects of Longitude

Sorted by Orb - Maximum Aspect Orb 5°00'

Mer Qnx Ura 0°06' A
Sat Qnx Ura 0°51' A
Sun Sqq Nep 0°56' A
Mer Sxt Sat 0°57' A
Jup Sqq Ura 1°12' A
Mar SSq Jup 1°42' A
Mar Opp Ura 2°53' A
Jup Tri Plu 2°58' A

*** END REPORT ***

Most of these aspect are the weaker aspects in sidereal's opinion.
But there is the Mars-Uranus opposition (INDUSTRIOUS rebel) and Jupiter trine Pluto (AUTHORITATIVE, outsider, rebel, (success - my adding)) and the Mercury sextile Saturn (which is also seen as a square in Larry)

http://solunars.net/viewtopic.php?f=19& ... rt=15#p156

http://solunars.net/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=31#p163

http://solunars.net/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=30#p143


He does not have the Neptunian theme like the other three.

His Moon moves from Leo to Virgo through those 24 hours and he might actually have a Moon-Sun opp or a Moon-Jupiter square.

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JSAD, I wasn't talking about your criminal system, I was referring to the culture in USA of always being afraid that someone will sue you for something. This is not the culture in Europe. It might actually be explained by the USA chart - I don't know.

It likely wouldn't be explained by the USA chart, since it's not actually the culture here, just a good story to sell newspapers and stoke European pride. But I'm sure you'll prefer to check for yourself. The chart many of the people on this forum prefer is here: http://solunars.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=201

MOD NOTE: all links in this thread need fixing