Violence in childhood?

[Arena]

Nov 25, 2015
Well I would usually connect angular Mars to violence in childhood (as in a child getting hit by parents or seeing parents hit each other). And maybe Mars-Saturn aspect as in violence and sadness and strict upbringing.

Have you seen other planetary expressions for a violent childhood?

I would also connect Pluto-Mars to violent behavior and to sexual abuse. But there may be other planetary expressions that you know of for this.

[Arena]

That sort of thing, yes, but wider.

First off, any Capricorn luminary means, in the broadest sense, a high likelihood of harsh suffering in childhood, and the compensatory character traits that arise from that.

Mars-Pluto and Mars-Neptune are aspects to consider. Mars-Pluto for the severe brutality (often including sexual abuse) per se. Mars-Neptune is perhaps better marked by living in a persistent state of fear in childhood much of the time. Notice that these (and the Mars-Saturn you mention) are all aspects that, in an adult, are known for different kinds of difficulties managing one's own rage, which is a common consequence of early abuse.

[Arena]

Yes thank you.
Yes those aspect would in most instances follow the individual their whole life - except if they relocate they might be able to put those aspects into the background, as in not having the same expression as before. This is how I imagine people can avoid more violence (being inflicted or inflicting upon others) in grown up life. Both violence and sexual abuse is known to be repeated as the child grows up, but in some instances people are able to not inflict the same violent behavior upon others.

[Arena]

I would guess that short period of violence or one time hit may be expressed rather by a violent solar return or a progression. And that may not have the same impact and does not follow the person their whole life, but rather is left like a one time hard experience that they deal with as time passes.

[Arena]

Remember that individual incidents of this sort are most often Neptune, not Mars. On losing control oneself, it is the overblown emotion and confusion. Same on the receiving end with confusion, disorientation, maybe a sense of victimization, etc.

Fagan had written that fine-tuned rectification could be approached by looking through diaries for times one had suddenly and uncharacteristically lost one's temper, and finding Mars on quotidian angles. I think that might have been more of a suggestion, based on too few examples, because started gathering times for myself and others and, nearly always found that it was Neptune that was exactly on the angle.

[Arena]

nearly always found that it was Neptune that was exactly on the angle

Do you mean on a progressed angle of the SSR?

[Arena]

Neptune that was exactly on the angle

Do you mean on a progressed angle of the SSR?

And of the quotidians which, yes, could be the SQ or PSSR, but also the SNQ.

[Arena]

Did you find a way to do the PSSR in solar fire?
I am practising now just opening the SSR in dynamic, animate chart. Then pushing the "chart" button to choose sec. progr. and then just play the year. Is that how you do it?

[Arena]

Did you find a way to do the PSSR in solar fire?

I've long had an Excel spreadsheet available for doing those calculations here:
http://solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=234

I am practising now just opening the SSR in dynamic, animate chart. Then pushing the "chart" button to choose sec. progr. and then just play the year. Is that how you do it?

No. Solar Fire doesn't have the basic code that would allow it to calculate PSSRS (starting with the ability to use apparent solar motion as its argument). The spreadsheet lets you calculate the PSSR for a specific date and time.

[Arena]

That sort of thing, yes, but wider.

First off, any Capricorn luminary means, in the broadest sense, a high likelihood of harsh suffering in childhood, and the compensatory character traits that arise from that.

Mars-Pluto and Mars-Neptune are aspects to consider. Mars-Pluto for the severe brutality (often including sexual abuse) per se. Mars-Neptune is perhaps better marked by living in a persistent state of fear in childhood much of the time. Notice that these (and the Mars-Saturn you mention) are all aspects that, in an adult, are known for different kinds of difficulties managing one's own rage, which is a common consequence of early abuse.

My cousin who is only 42 years old had a stroke and has been in the hospital for some time now. It was indeed a shock in the family since he is so young. This same dear cousin of mine, who was a dear friend to me during our childhood, called me up a while ago to tell me that he had been severely abused for many years in his childhood. Not only was his father violent in temper, but he also lived through long term sexual abuse by his relative and he thinks he was only about 6 when it started. I do not know the exact birth time for this cousin of mine, but what I did see by casting his chart is that he does have a tight Mars-Pluto aspect, almost partile trine. But the strange thing is that Jupiter is within 3 degr from his Mars. He also has a partile Moon-Saturn square and his Mercury is tied into that aspect as well with a conjunction to his Moon. I would guess that astrologically it would be safe to assume that the abuse started during a time when that Mars-Pluto aspect came to progressed angles (we did see that in Linda Lovelace's chart). Although I do not think being gay is always or generally a "learnt" behaviour I do think that him being gay might be learnt behaviour from his childhood experiences. He has Pisces Sun conj. Venus and Aq Moon.

My dear daughter has a partile conjunction of Pluto to Mercury and a partile conjunction of Pluto and Mars on it's other side. Those are close to her Nnode. I've sometimes thought that the Mercury-Pluto aspect could be explaining why she sometimes seems to have a connection to another dimension (if that is possible). She has said things about dead relatives that she should not know. I do worry about her Mars-Pluto conjunction, but am relieved to see that her angles will not pass by it during her childhood. That conj. will touch her IC around the age of 28 if we use solar arc. Would you say I can keep her most safe from that aspect by keeping her in places where that conjunction is background in mundo as it is now? I know I can not do much to help her from that 28 yrs IC progression - but then she will be grown up and hopefully have strength to get out of the situation if she comes across it.

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I would guess that astrologically it would be safe to assume that the abuse started during a time when that Mars-Pluto aspect came to progressed angles (we did see that in Linda Lovelace's chart). Although I do not think being gay is always or generally a "learnt" behaviour I do think that him being gay might be learnt behaviour from his childhood experiences. He has Pisces Sun conj. Venus and Aq Moon.

I think his being gay is unrelated to the abuse, or perhaps a cause of the abuse (or more the violence - trying to "make a man of him") rather than the abuse being a cause of his sexual orientation. And of course, if the mother was put under stress, perhaps by an abusive partner, during pregnancy, that causes changes in hormones that are closely linked to sexual orientation.

That conj. will touch her IC around the age of 28 if we use solar arc. Would you say I can keep her most safe from that aspect by keeping her in places where that conjunction is background in mundo as it is now? I know I can not do much to help her from that 28 yrs IC progression - but then she will be grown up and hopefully have strength to get out of the situation if she comes across it.

I don't know if moving her so that conjunction is background will help or not. It might. Learning how to handle it now in childhood in a diminished effect with you there to help her through could also be useful, so she knows what it feels like and what to do about it when she's 28.