by Arena on Wed Sep 23, 2015 8:11 pm
Just as a "diary" posting I will take note of what is happening right now in my SSR.
The SSR Moon has now progressed into exact opposition of progressed natal Pluto as well as it is touching the Nodes in the SSR.
I am feeling a very very strong urge to move abroad for a few weeks/months, away from my family to just be by myself. This has been building up for a long time, but it's just getting stronger. It is a strong feeling of wanting to be alone and isolate myself from the world. Not that I would like to have that forever, but at this moment I would welcome it.
I also note down here that yesterday I had a kind of "showdown" with a childhood friend of mine. I do not know if that episode will be of a permanent seperative nature or not. I will also note that it was connected to work situation. I wonder if the house placement of the SSR Moon will tell anything about what kind of Moon-Pluto it will be? By whole sign houses (which I use up here in northern latitude) the SSR Moon is in 10th house, opposing Pluto in 4th.
I will also note that today I heard that a colleague of mine came to the office in late hours yesterday and he was intending to kill himself.
So what do I judge? ...is Saturn irrelevant here since it does not aspect those planets in the mundoscope? Why do I want to look so strictly at the mundoscope for angularity, but not for aspects?
Any logical explanation as to why we would look at the mundoscope for angularity, but not for aspects? I am just asking myself, since this angularity issue is of such great importance in the sidereal circles. If I look at a chart and the planets change a lot from ecliptic to the mundo and I am telling myself that now I am looking at the "correct" placement of the planets (mundo) ... but then I disregard the aspects they make in mundo and look to the ecliptic chart for that... the chart I just told myself is the incorrect placement of the planets? Any logic to this?
Re: Arena's 2015 SSR
Postby Jupiter Sets At Dawn on Fri Sep 25, 2015 6:54 pm
The mundoscope specifically shows angularity. It's the planets looked at in the prime vertical measuring system instead of the zodiacal system.
Sometimes we see planets that will contact the angles at the same time, thereby becoming more expressive at the same time, but those are not aspects. They are co-angularities.
Aspects, the planets modify each other's influence. Co-angularities they don't. Both aspects and co-angularities modify you, but the influence is modified differently, sort of like a faucet with one knob to make the steam warmer or colder, or two knobs, one hot and one cold which have to be adjusted individually.
Re: Arena's 2015 SSR
Postby Arena on Fri Sep 25, 2015 7:33 pm
Ok, I guess I will have to keep the ecliptic aspects then ... maybe not such a good idea to bring that Venus-Jupiter to angles this year since they are in partile square to Saturn.
Now I can browse through my new book by Ebertin and see what combinations of three planets will mean. This is not really a good one, like Steve has pointed out for me before.
Ebertin says:
Venus-Jupiter-Saturn
Inhibitions in love life, a lack of adaptability. Trouble and seperation in love, the state of sobering down again, destroyed hopes.
But since I also have these planets all on the angles in Rvk as well, just my natal Venus-Jupiter coming to angles along with Saturn instead of the SSR Venus-Jupiter. I think this combination is already in expression.
Re: Arena's 2015 SSR
Postby Arena on Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:39 pm
This post is just supposed to be of a "diary" kind of nature.
It is now a little over 3 months into my current SSR and what I feel is the most important of all that is shown in this return is the Uranus going through endless circles of planning our relocation.... and also the Jupiter-Venus-Saturn symbolism that Steve pointed out from Ebertin, mostly in the area of "sobering down" from the idea of being with another man - and deciding to stick with the father of my children for practical reasons. But I have to state that it did help a whole lot that he showed me that he is willing to move abroad with me (me being the Uranus bully these days/months).
I do not see any Jupiter-Venus symbolism manifest, so it must be tied in with that Saturn and also to that Moon-Pluto opposition that can be descriptive of me separating myself from the current life here and possibly from my oldest son that says he wants to stay with his father, and not move abroad. I've also gone through some thought process of not being attached to anything or anyone, so it makes it a lot easier to decide relocation.
Re: Arena's 2015 SSR
Postby Arena on Wed Mar 30, 2016 3:32 pm
I thought I should put this post in here as well to follow the progress of this year's SSR, since it also describes my current SSR (for both recorded and possible rectified birth times). Both will show a Saturnian, Plutonian and Uranian symbolism. It is all there in what's happening this year.
Well, I don't know if this is a progressed event, I think it is more like a combination of a few different astrological symbolism. But this period sure is trying and straining on relationship matters.
Last night my partner and I had a fight again and he said he wanted to divorce/separate. Lots of different astrological symbolism I can see to explain this, one is Mars on possible relocated rectified DSC for myself or Saturn, I can also see the progressed hard symbolism with Moon opposite Saturn and square Mars and in his chart I see the SSR progressed Moon square SSR Pluto (not exact, but it happens in March). But then I see his pr. SSR Moon coming into conjunction to Mercury and sextile to Venus in May ... so I believe that will be better times. My relocated 7th house is his natal 4th house. I can also see my SSR Pluto conjunct my possible MC.
He started talking about custody matters and dividing our properties. I just ignored him and told him that I would not discuss such matters until he had made up his mind and made a final decision and told the children about it. I also told him that I had already made my decision and it was to relocate and take on new challenges, changing our lives - and I would not speak about divorce until that had been tried, but if he wanted to divorce, then he just had to make up his mind. He calmed more down later in the night and came to a similar conclusion that I usually do, that it is best for the children if we try to just stick through this. I made up my mind to just try to stick through all this as I know there is better times ahead (astrologically) - but it sure is heavy. If I did not have astrology to understand all this and to see what is ahead, I would possibly make other choices. In this matter, astrology is helping me to believe in better times ahead (although I know I will also again have another difficult period when t. Saturn will pass over my n. DSC and MC next year).
Re: Arena's 2015 SSR
Postby SteveS on Thu Mar 31, 2016 3:25 pm
Arena wrote:
I thought I should put this post in here as well to follow the progress of this year's SSR, since it also describes my current SSR (for both recorded and possible rectified birth times). Both will show a Saturnian, Plutonian and Uranian symbolism. It is all there in what's happening this year.
Yes, and again your SSR demonstrates one of Jim’s main teaching principles with SSR’s:
Foreground planets, both natal & solar, set the tone/theme of the entire period covered by a Solar Return. All other planetary aspects manifest within the context of these tone/theme setters.
Using your 23:40 time, your mundo solar Saturn was 3,03 cnj SSR Dsc. Your mundo relocated natal Saturn 3,01 cnj your SSR Asc. We see here a double whammy of Saturn being the closest mundo planets to your SSR horizon (primary angles) expressing Jim’s teachings:
If the same natal & solar planet is foreground in the SSR, it takes on special significance as a theme planet.
Also your 2015 SSR shows the vast importance of Fagan’s Mundoscope which shows us the true position of a planet to our primary angles. Without the Mundoscope the astrologer does not see/realize the double whammy of Saturn for your 2015 solar year. As you aptly pointed out in another recent post: “We can’t control the manifestations.”
But, IMO, when we see the main manifestation from our return charts, transits, progressions we, as astrologers, are then in a better position to possibly choose how we want to further react for our immediate future to the manifestations.
Re: Arena's 2015 SSR
Postby Arena on Thu Mar 31, 2016 4:24 pm
But, IMO, when we see the main manifestation from our return charts, transits, progressions we, as astrologers, are then in a better position to possibly choose how we want to further react for our immediate future to the manifestations.
Exactly Steve, this is why I said that astrology is actually helping me in my view, because I can see that the stars are going to deliver something brighter at the end of this year - hence I do not want to make any rash decisions and am trying to stick through the bad times. And even though I do not have a clue what is ahead I just try to hold on to this belief in the brighter times, everything in my life seems to be unsure now, relationship, job, home, money. And even though some of it is my own doing, like quitting job, relocating and therefore making the insecurity myself, I can clearly see how the astrological symbolism is controlling the flow of events.
by SteveS on Thu Mar 31, 2016 4:45 pm
Arena wrote:
...hence I do not want to make any rash decisions and am trying to stick through the bad times.
That is all we can do---try to implement damage control and wait out the bad "times".
Re: Arena's 2015 SSR
Postby Arena on Wed Jun 01, 2016 11:19 am
Just for the sake of recording this SSR. Last night another angry argument. I consider them Martian and Saturnian influences in astrology.
In this case I see that t. Mars at 4° Scorpio is now transiting a sensitive point in my SSR, it conjuncts SSR Saturn and trines the SSR Moon and Mars.
T. Mars is now on the midpoint between partner's Mars-Uranus that are at 1 and 7 degr. Scorpio.
We fight about him wanting a precise excel plan (too precise and security addiction driven imo) and me wanting the opposite, ready and wanting to go into the uncertainty of the future, wanting to just see what I stumble upon without having a precise plan. I want and celebrate surprises, he doesn't.
I feel I am doing more compromises and I don't like it, since he gets his way with security addiction.
