Co-Parans?

[TheScales_BothWays]

Hi everyone, it's been some time...

While Jim is experimenting with mundane planet-angle contacts in synastry, I (for some weeks) have been pondering about inter-paran contacts.
One example of an inter-paran contact would be X's Mars culminating when Y's Venus rises, at either's natal or relocated locations.

I believe I have 3 examples where this "co-paran" technique works appropriately. But they may not be perfect examples: (BTW, I'm only using partile paran contacts unless stated otherwise.)

Me and my past school crush/obsession:
He was born at 16/01/2001, Klang, Malaysia, birth time unknown.
Now the only real thing that happened between us (besides my indirectly throwing shade at him every once in a while, after I learned that he's taken, and especially after I learned that he dumped his girlfriend and got another one two weeks later ) is that he remained pretty much unresponsive to my affections and feelings from the day I first expressed them, until the end where I lost interest on him. Heck, even while throwing shade at him (which is probably my Saturn to his Mars) he remains just as unresponsive.
The only thing appropriate that speaks of this in our synastry chart is a 4-degree Moon-Saturn square. It tells a lot, I must say.

MOON-SATURN
Saturn somehow inhibits the Moon from fully expressing her emotions, or remains unresponsive to the latter's sensuous solicitations. Though often present among lifelong friends, it is not particularly conducive to domestic happiness together.
[ADD: Moon wants to "settle in" with Saturn.]
[NOTE: Rather than Saturn inhibiting Moon's emotional expression per se, I'm more inclined to read my current notebooks as showing that Saturn tends to be somewhat removed without being cold. For example (but only one variation), Saturn may be quite affectionate but already committed and "unavailable," or simply not interested except in a casual contact.]

The above description is very much, well, descriptive of what mainly happened between us, but it's so descriptive, I'm not pleased that our Moon-Saturn is not partile. A 4-degree contact like this may not stand out over other partile contacts between us, like our Moon-Uranus conjunction, Mercury-Uranus square and Mars-Uranus square. Our composite charts do not have anything else to say that's Moon-Saturn-like.

So, coming to my point, it appears that my Moon sets while his Saturn culminates! This means we have a Moon-Saturn co-paran. Every time his Saturn culminates, my Moon mundanely squares it partile. A-ha.
We have a Mercury-Saturn paran too (I'm Saturn). Since he never actually uttered or written/sent a word to me, I don't know how is this manifesting between us, but I think it will be descriptive if we get into a relationship.
And we also have a Sun-Jupiter paran (I'm Jupiter). I don't know about my school crush, but I've always wanted to and have always thought of helping him as much as possible to improve his life. Since I'm older than him, I thought my experiences and knowledge in some areas (even if they're of little worth) might help him in some way. I think this is where the Mercury-Saturn may play out, I ask him to something, he has something to say about it but I don't care as I'm Saturn. He may also feel that I'm too harsh and controlling on him, which would be my Saturn opposing his Mars.


Me and my Dallas crush:
He was born on 20/10/1989, Merced CA. He never knew I existed, obviously, he lives so far away and I only fell for him because I, by circumstance, stumbled upon his facebook account and saw his then-seemed gorgeous face.
The only interaspect that shows I had a "big-time crush" on him is his Uranus partile conjuncting my Mars. It's enough and perfect really, but compared to the synastries I've seen for other teens and their "big-time crushes," they have more appropriate contacts, like Venus to their crush's Uranus (very common!) or Pluto, some Neptune contacts for awkwardness and shyness that's common when someone approaches their crush, and Sun-angle or Mars-angle contacts, especially if the angle is female or a gay male.
These make me think, with only his Uranus to my Mars, was I only sexually/physically attracted to him? I guess so, but isn't physical attraction also usually the case for other "love at first sight" cases, common with Venus-Uranus?

We both have a Sun-Neptune paran (I'm Neptune):

SUN-NEPTUNE
...
In situations that could be romantic or sexual, each finds the other to be a temptation that it is appropriate to indulge in, as if ordering desert. In many cases, temporary circumstances setup the "appropriateness."

Appropriate and descriptive enough. He did seem like "dessert" and it was most definitely a temporary and coincidental circumstance that made me stumble upon his facebook account and eventually fall for him.

And while it's not partile, we both have a Venus-Uranus paran in Merced that's within 2°, i.e. my Venus anticulminates in Merced whenever his Uranus sets there. So there's the Venus contact I was searching for all this while! It;s the only close Venus contact I have to him, and this Venus-Uranus paran also explains the significant 10-year age gap between us.

Finally, me and some guy that I'm fascinated with:
He's born on the 8th of December, 1999, Klang, Malaysia. Birth time yet to be known. He is a double Scorpio.
I am just fascinated by this physical masculine energy I'm getting from him, that I'm also getting from guys that I have strong Mars contacts with. Nothing more, nothing less actually. It may be his double Scorpio luminaries that I'm feeling this masculine energy from, but I know two other double Scorpio men—the one whom I also feel a similar masculine energy from has his Mars on my Descendant, while the other who neither has his Mars nor mine connected, I don't feel his Martian-ness that much. The only thing I feel is his Uranus sesquisquaring my Venus. What I feel from him is actually more of a "freshness and colourfulness" and his "striking beauty" more than the raw, physical feelings I get from men whom I have Mars contacts.

So yeah, the only thing that this double Scorpio's Mars is contacting, is my Nodes (conjunct South Node). Maybe that's where I am getting this Martial feeling from, but I don't really know how do the Nodes behave like in synastry. Do they behave like angles? Or like the Moon? Or like the "angles" of the Moon? Are they negligible? Okay, his Mars conjuncts my Uranus around 3°45', but again, not as close as I think it should be, for me to strongly admire his masculinity, especially when I've already seen many other men whose Marses aspect my Uranus, all partile or near-partile.

After laying out his and my parans on Excel, I soon found out that his Mars rises when my Saturn anticulminates. So we have a Mars-Saturn co-paran. And Mars-Saturn is definitely not an aspect low on its sexual side. Good thing I'm not interested in him or anything. Him being a double-Scorpio, he's obviously straight. Our basic ecliptical synastry is pretty fine actually, so maybe we'd be good friends.


So what do you guys think? Has any one of you tried using paran contacts too in synastry? How did it show? What paran contacts do you have between the people you have significant relationships with? All comments are appreciated very much.

[Jim Eshelman]

In theory, this would be valid, though I'd like the chance to see if something else even simpler is operative.

BTW, I'd been wondering where you were, so it's good to see that you're around and well

[SteveS]

Welcome back Scales, I was wondering where you had been, enjoy reading your posts. FWIW, I don’t have any research experience with paran contacts in synastry. But, I have lots of research experience with paran contacts involving other personal Sidereal Astrology charts in my life with recreational gambling trips, they were very potent.

[Jim Eshelman]

I should mention that these, if valid, still have to be corrected for precession, i.e., one person's redone for the date and place of another's chart. Now, for people close to your age, all born in the same place, there's not enough of a problem to worry, especially for preliminary checking, but (looking a the bigger picture down the line, or for people born at different latitudes now), this is an important consideration.

[Jim Eshelman]

A priori, I definitely think this is worth exploring because the theory is good. However, I'm concerned about these examples for two reasons. First, I'm most concerned about the second example because (as far as I can tell) you haven't checked the parans for the same location. Parans are location specific, so his parans in Merced would seem unrelatable to your parans for Klang. This is theory, too, of course, but it does make me question the example. Second, without birth times, we don't really have a good idea of what the full charts say about the synastry - it may be chasing unnecessary shadows if, for example, the other young men's angles ad Moon give everything needed. It would be better to only use full birth times.

But, we have to start somewhere, so... let's go.

Scales + "past school crush/obsession" born 16 January 2001, hour unknown, Klang, Malaysia
Moon-Saturn becomes partile instead of generously platic (Moon1 on Dsc while Saturn2 on MC).

Simple synastry: What I most see here is his Uranus on your Moon and his Neptune on your Descendant. He intrigues and excites you, and holds you in fantasy-based rapture, for example. In your discussions of him, I've always thought that his Neptune on your Descendant most described the "relationship," and of course this placement will be common for most people near your age. (I have some similar aspects in my chart that basically say, "Don't expect a good result with anyone close to your own age." I've always done much better with people several years older or younger. This is harder when you're still a teenager.) His Mars (and even Mercury) hit your Uranus.

Looking further: Oh, this is fascinating! It's another way to get the same result you found (though equally theoretical at this stage). Calculating his mundoscope within the framework of your chart, I see this: Your Moon is 17°32' into the 7th house, and his Saturn is 17°50' within your 10th house - a 0°18' square. Furthermore, his Uranus is 17°01' in your 7th, a 0°31' conjunction with your Moon. (Midpoint is 07'.) So the same result is obtainable from parans or from the mundoscope when putting his planets fully inside your chart. - Calculating this also reminds me that his Mercury and Mars are foreground in your chart, and that's a coloration that needs to be considered regardless.


Scales + "Dallas crush" born 20 October 1989, hour unknown, Merced CA
Neptune1 paran Sun2

Simple synastry: A key thing here, of course, is the "identification" pattern of the conjoined Suns plus his Sun opposite your Jupiter and square your Neptune in your foreground. Oh, and his Uranus 14' from your Mars. There isn't anything else of great importance. (FWIW, this is the second in a row with Venus at 18° Hub.)

Looking further: Nothing is added by the mundoscope method. Things we already know about are repeated. You already have the Sun-Neptune by ecliptical aspect and, if you feel this is a majorly descriptive aspect and needs a closer orb (even though wholly foreground in your chart), then the paran is the best explanation I can see.


Scales + "some guy that I'm fascinated with" born 8 December, 1999, time known, Klang, Malaysia
Scales expects strong Mars contacts, Mars2 Asc with Saturn1 IC.

Simple synastry: First thing I see is that his partile Venus-Neptune square is exactly (partile) on your angles. There's plenty of animal magnetism and fantasy material in that! Probably I'll find his Mars-Saturn square is also foreground in your chart. (More on that below.)

Confirming angularities: His Venus is 3° off your IC (but partile square your Ascendant). His Neptune is 0°39' below your Descendant. His Mars is 6°40' above your Descendant, and his Saturn 5°30' in your 10th. I think the Venus-Neptune really describes the picture you're getting, and his Mars-Saturn shows much of the rest. I don't see this one positively, with all three of his malefics (plus Venus) in your foreground, but we also have the three Eros-and-temptation planets of Venus, Mars, and Neptune there (plus Saturn).

Looking further: His Jupiter is 19°48' in your 9th house, putting it 0°05' from opposite your Sun in the mundoscope, so there is more respect and admiration than the other aspects usually would allow. - Everything else is the same, no surprises.

[TheScales_BothWays]

Thank you both for your warm welcomes Jim & Stevie, I'm kinda flattered.
I was away because of school, and a slow internet connection, but I've never failed to miss reading the posts made here every so often during my free time. I just didn't log in, read them as a guest haha.

FWIW, I don’t have any research experience with paran contacts in synastry. But, I have lots of research experience with paran contacts involving other personal Sidereal Astrology charts in my life with recreational gambling trips, they were very potent.

Yes Steve, I remember your posts that strongly show the importance of partile angular parans, they were very informative and helpful. Sometimes when I think of parans I think of you.

I should mention that these, if valid, still have to be corrected for precession, i.e., one person's redone for the date and place of another's chart. Now, for people close to your age, all born in the same place, there's not enough of a problem to worry, especially for preliminary checking, but (looking a the bigger picture down the line, or for people born at different latitudes now), this is an important consideration.

Valid point, though the main reason why I didn't correct them is because I don't know how...

First, I'm most concerned about the second example because (as far as I can tell) you haven't checked the parans for the same location. Parans are location specific, so his parans in Merced would seem unrelatable to your parans for Klang.

I was concerned about this too, which is why I mentioned parans for either in Klang (I found none so far, so I didn't mention any) or Merced (which is the Sun-Neptune paran [his Sun rises while my Neptune anticulminates on Merced's coordinates] and the Venus-Uranus paran [his Uranus setting while my Venus anticulminates, but it's not a partile paran anyway]). I did check for them in the same location. Was a tedious task but I checked them anyway

Second, without birth times, we don't really have a good idea of what the full charts say about the synastry - it may be chasing unnecessary shadows if, for example, the other young men's angles ad Moon give everything needed. It would be better to only use full birth times.

True. Wish I knew their birth times.

Simple synastry: What I most see here is his Uranus on your Moon and his Neptune on your Descendant. He intrigues and excites you, and holds you in fantasy-based rapture, for example. In your discussions of him, I've always thought that his Neptune on your Descendant most described the "relationship," and of course this placement will be common for most people near your age.

Or more tightly, his Neptune partile square my MC.
Thank you so much for your detailed analysis on our synastry, it was much enlightening.
The thing is, I already have so many others' Neptunes on my Descendants, why would I feel it so much strongly from him...

(I have some similar aspects in my chart that basically say, "Don't expect a good result with anyone close to your own age." I've always done much better with people several years older or younger. This is harder when you're still a teenager.)

You were mentioning your Venus-Pluto right? Your personal note of the co-aspect fits me perfectly: to most, Venus-Pluto synastries mean intense relationships, but to me, most relationships between those who have the Pluto (near-)partile to my Venus also seem very "arms-length" too, especially if that's the only or one of the few co-aspects have with them. And yes, no sense at all of a lasting connection between the other person, sometimes even when interacting with them.
Yeah, being a teen (and in school) getting a partner several years younger or older is gonna be harder, and I don't know how I'll manage if I get into a relationship with a 13-year-old lol.

Looking further: Oh, this is fascinating! It's another way to get the same result you found (though equally theoretical at this stage). Calculating his mundoscope within the framework of your chart, I see this: Your Moon is 17°32' into the 7th house, and his Saturn is 17°50' within your 10th house - a 0°18' square. Furthermore, his Uranus is 17°01' in your 7th, a 0°31' conjunction with your Moon. (Midpoint is 07'.) So the same result is obtainable from parans or from the mundoscope when putting his planets fully inside your chart. - Calculating this also reminds me that his Mercury and Mars are foreground in your chart, and that's a coloration that needs to be considered regardless.

Aha!
And sigh, Moon-Saturn. If it was just Moon-Uranus alone maybe we'd at least end up being friends. Maybe.

Scales + "Dallas crush" born 20 October 1989, hour unknown, Merced CA
(FWIW, this is the second in a row with Venus at 18° Hub.)

Actually, if you could recall correctly (but why should you remember anyway ) my Dallas crush came first, and then came my school crush. So he (my school crush) was second. I find the 18°Hub Venus to be interesting too (and very creepy). Curiously, my Juno is at 17°Scoprio and my Black Moon Lilith is at 18°Hub. (I use neither though.) If I were to follow Tropical descriptions of Lilith, it kinda fits in a "subconcious" level and fits my "Neptunian perceptions" (that I'm obsessed so much to them like how the mythological figure is obsessed to other handsome men, and that they "fatedly" came into my life and evoked so much feelings and disorder into my emotional life, and at least to my school crush, I may have caused disorder and unwanted troubles to his life too. )

Looking further: Nothing is added by the mundoscope method. Things we already know about are repeated. You already have the Sun-Neptune by ecliptical aspect and, if you feel this is a majorly descriptive aspect and needs a closer orb (even though wholly foreground in your chart), then the paran is the best explanation I can see.

I'll agree with you and go for the ecliptical Sun-Neptune interaspect. It was descriptive, but not exclusively so.

Simple synastry: First thing I see is that his partile Venus-Neptune square is exactly (partile) on your angles. There's plenty of animal magnetism and fantasy material in that!

Ah, I didn't know that Venus-Neptune has some animal magnetism! Explains! I never knew anyone else whose Venus aspects my Neptune so this is a new feeling. LOL

I think the Venus-Neptune really describes the picture you're getting,

Yes, know I think the same too. Now that I have an idea of Venus-Neptune co-aspects, I can understand the dreaminess and ideal-ness of this interaspect well.

I don't see this one positively, with all three of his malefics (plus Venus) in your foreground, but we also have the three Eros-and-temptation planets of Venus, Mars, and Neptune there (plus Saturn).

Hmm, I guess I shouldn't let my eros that I have for him influence how I interact with him. I believe my Neptune to his Venus is making me get embarrassed and shy if he nears me. I'm afraid he's noticing that and is thinking that I'm somewhat disliking him. I think this is where the Mars-Saturn is starting to show out.

Looking further: His Jupiter is 19°48' in your 9th house, putting it 0°05' from opposite your Sun in the mundoscope, so there is more respect and admiration than the other aspects usually would allow. - Everything else is the same, no surprises.

Yeah, even ecliptically his Jupiter partile opposes my Sun, and also partile sesquisquares my Venus. Hopefully the awkwardness and the ice between us will be broken for a gentle acquaintanceship or friendship.

Jim, I must thank you so much again for taking your time for these detailed analyses of the synastries between me and these three young men. I actually just thought of this co-paran thing because I can't seem to find anything that I found descriptive.
Your analyses were very helpful, and soon I might too try using mundoscopes in synastry like how you did.

[Arena]

Welcome back Scales
I always think of Steve when looking into parans It's Steve's thingy and I love the fact that he and Jim have tought us a lot about parans... although I remember them saying that astrological software is not good with parans.

BTW interesting research this one.

I am pretty sure my Jup-Mer paran is working here in Edinburgh - although not necessarily for me to finish my MBA degree, but rather in doing business.

[SteveS]

Jim wrote:

…but the Scorpio (Hub) Moon gives capacity depth, a tendency to look under the skirt of the universe to see how it actually works.

Beautiful words Jim. Also, for looking ‘under the skirt’ with ‘capacity depth’ how anything ‘actually works’ that peaks the interest for this Virgo-Scorpio combo.
Scales wrote:

Yes Steve, I remember your posts that strongly show the importance of partile angular parans, they were very informative and helpful. Sometimes when I think of parans I think of you.

Hey Kid, when you have a choice for selecting the most potent aspect in astrology, why not go with a Paran? BTW, you need to hang a sign around your neck advertising your skills for your keen sense of 'perception' for synastry, if you think there may be a demand/market for it in your immediate environment.
Arena wrote:

I always think of Steve when looking into parans It's Steve's thingy and I love the fact that he and Jim have taught us a lot about parans... although I remember them saying that astrological software is not good with parans.

Yep, always have and will be a Paran freak. If our new member Mikestar (programmer) can tap into Solarfire, we may have a 'path' to some solid new SF paran features in the future. I think Jim and/or Mikestar may be looking into this possibility with Solarfire, stay tuned.

[Jim Eshelman]

And if not, then I think Plan B should be exploring specialty tools that Mike can create from scratch - since that's where he has actual experience.

[SteveS]

Jim wrote:

And if not, then I think Plan B should be exploring specialty tools that Mike can create from scratch - since that's where he has actual experience.

I trust You and Mike's combined judgement in this matter.

[SteveS]

Scales wrote:

If I were to follow Tropical descriptions of Lilith, it kinda fits in a "subconcious" level and fits my "Neptunian perceptions"

Hey Scales, on an intuitive hunch, I just checked your natal primary progressed angles since there has been some recent posts on primary natal angles, and eyed this most potent ‘once in a lifetime’ planetary picture for your life.
Primary DSC 25,34 Cap
Natal Moon 25,09 Cao
Natal Mercury 24,45 Lib
Primary Nadir 25 Lib
SP Moon partile cnj Natal Sun
Ebertin says about the “Principle” for Moon-Mercury combo’s:

Thinking influenced by feeling, perception.

Maybe you need to open a part time business for synastry with couples, while you are still doing your school Moon-Mercury learning, just a thought. Making sure my calculations are correct with an accurate time zone, your Natal Asc 08,19 Cancer, correct?
http://imgur.com/a/vZbdf

[Arena]

If our new member Mikestar (programmer) can tap into Solarfire, we may have a 'path' to some solid new SF paran features in the future. I think Jim and/or Mikestar may be looking into this possibility with Solarfire, stay tuned.

And if not, then I think Plan B should be exploring specialty tools that Mike can create from scratch - since that's where he has actual experience.

Sounds good. Looking forward to this feature.
I remember you posted about Polaris and I downloaded it for a 30 day trial. Is that one not usable or can be explored to see how the programming is done?

[SteveS]

Maybe Jim on Polaris, I am not at all familiar with Polaris. Jim understands and knows what we need to see/understand better.

[Jim Eshelman]

I don't know what Polaris is (other than the fixed star by that name).

[Arena]

Oh I'm sorry, I got names mixed up in my mind. The program is called Janus and Steve mentioned it in some paran thread. So I downloaded a trial version. It writes out a list of parans in a given location. Here is an example of my paran list at birth place, I had a lot of them. And when I relocated my chart to Edinburgh, I gained the Jup-Mer paran and lost most of the other ones.

Screenshot 2017-02-28 17.53.26.png

[Jim Eshelman]

OK, but this is available in Solar Fire also.

What is NOT available is a feature to precess this to a different date so that, for example, you can do paran transits. Steve is quite interested in paran transits, but (aside from the fact that there isn't a dynamic way to, say, generate a list of them over time), at his and my age they are going to be a degree or more off because of precession.

For comparing (say) today's transits' parans (for a calculated specific time) to natal planets, we would have to do something like use the recently posted "precess me mundanely" spreadsheet to get precessed natal right ascension and declination, use that (in a tool not created yet) to produce precessed natal paran positions, and then manually check them (40 x 40 comparisons) to the transits to see if there are any hits.

[TheScales_BothWays]

Welcome back Scales

Thank you, Arena

It's Steve's thingy and I love the fact that he and Jim have taught us a lot about parans...

Same. Lots of valuable info I have learnt from them two fine astrologers.

BTW interesting research this one.

Thanks!

Hey Kid, when you have a choice for selecting the most potent aspect in astrology, why not go with a Paran?

Exactly! At times I find parans to be very much stronger than ecliptical squares, especially in return charts.

BTW, you need to hang a sign around your neck advertising your skills for your keen sense of 'perception' for synastry, if you think there may be a demand/market for it in your immediate environment.

Maybe you need to open a part time business for synastry with couples, while you are still doing your school Moon-Mercury learning, just a thought.

I sure could. Especially since I'm still in a school environment, there would definitely be much demand and interest from all those young couples and interested singles haha. Some of my schoolmates know that I could do astrology, and when requested I read their charts and do synastries for free. For free because I'm not yet a pro, and that I read their charts partly so I could gain more astrological knowledge and understanding. Also I read charts for free to gain people's trust that I'm reading honestly and that I'm not blabbering things and taking advantage of them for their money.

A Libra being a synastry expert—sounds wonderful to me. But I believe I lack one important criteria before being such an "expert," which is the experience of being in a reciprocative romantic relationship in the first place. Wouldn't it be kinda ironic and distressing if you find out that the person you've consulted for serious relationship advice is just 17 and has just had two failed one-sided relationships...? I'll stick to doing readings for teen and young adult couples for now I suppose. Till then I still have lots to learn from others' relationships and my future relationships too. Oh and also from Jim's synastry analyses too. He's so good in synastry, his delineations are also very profound, practical and they show the inner psychologies of each co-aspect, which are very revealing.

SP Moon partile cnj Natal Sun

Little did I didn't know that a little over a week ago, p.Moon had started to conjunct my natal Sun! Thanks Steve for pointing that out. This seems like a very important progression! What is it supposed to mean, though? I haven't felt much of anything Sun-Moon or "new beginning"-ish yet in my life, maybe that's because I'm still new into this progression.

[SteveS]

Scales wrote:

Especially since I'm still in a school environment, there would definitely be much demand and interest from all those young couples and interested singles…

Exactly! IMO, I think your primary angles to your Natal Moon-Mercury 90 would message excellent readings.

Oh, and also from Jim's synastry analyses too. He's so good in synastry, his delineations are also very profound, practical and they show the inner psychologies of each co-aspect, which are very revealing.

Jim is a Pro.

Little did I didn't know that a little over a week ago, p. Moon had started to conjunct my natal Sun! Thanks Steve for pointing that out. This seems like a very important progression! What is it supposed to mean, though? I haven't felt much of anything Sun-Moon or "new beginning"-ish yet in my life, maybe that's because I'm still new into this progression.

Normally p. Moon cnj n. Sun represent new birthing cycles for life but will probably take hindsight to see/understand the real meaning for this cycle. It only lasts a couple months for its partile phase so wait until the partile phase is over and see if you can identify any significant new life cycle. I would take this cycle and be up-front with your life objectives pertaining to all kinds of love relationships. Sun-Moon cycles illuminate the 'spirit and soul' of things.

[TheScales_BothWays]

Thanks for your encouraging response, Stevie.

Will try my best to observe the effects of my p.Moon-r.Sun conjunction and will report if I notice anything significant, most likely in a separate thread.

I would take this cycle and be up-front with your life objectives pertaining to all kinds of love relationships. Sun-Moon cycles illuminate the 'spirit and soul' of things.

Thanks Steve, that is sound advice for these types of periods. In fact I am feeling very upfront about love matters; I am sure of what I'd like to have and what I'd like to give, what is okay and what is not for me in a relationship, etc., it's just that I'm not in any relationship or interested with anyone to show that "upfront-ness" out.

Jim is a Pro.

The Pro.

[mikestar13]

I am working on a program that will be helpful for this topic when I'm done. I will be a standalone program that directly connects to the Swiss Ephemeris (included with Solar Fire/Janus/probably other programs and as a free download from astro.com).

What I'm aiming for is the ability to enter the UT and geographic latitude and longitude for the original chart (such as nativity), and the UT and geographic coordinates of the target. Output will be a listing of RA, declination, PV longitude, and times of rise, etc. for each planet in the original chart precessed to the target date. It will not be necessary to enter sidereal time or SVP, as the Swiss Ephemeris calculates them.

I will be PM'ing with Jim and Steve about this program.

[Jim Eshelman]

[mikestar13]

...

Jim is a Pro.

The Pro.

I will go one better. If a poll were taken for greatest living astrologer, Jim would have my vote. His most uncommon common sense "find out what works best by real testing" approach while being fully in touch with the mystical side of things make him a most worthy heir to Fagan, Bradley, et al.

[SteveS]

Mike wrote:

I am working on a program that will be helpful for this topic when I'm done. It will be a standalone program that directly connects to the Swiss Ephemeris (included with Solar Fire/Janus/probably other programs and as a free download from astro.com).

Mike, I will later PM you with info from an add on file with SF to see if this may help you. I am trying to locate this file which I think Jim also has with his SF. It probably won't help you but the thought crossed my mind.

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

I think Steve means the Mundane Data Large file. You can get a copy here: http://solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=16 and read about what it is and where it came from.

[Jim Eshelman]

Yeah, that's what I thought he meant, too. Not sure how it might be useful UNLESS Mike can use a custom-created page to reverse engineer how Pages are created.