We met in June 1970 through my best friend—they were cousins. We married in Jan 1971.Steve, how long a time passed from when you met and started the courtship with your wife and until you got married?
Yes, same time comp SA Saturn=Sun-Venus. Damn good catch Arena!I see you mention your relationship was tested... it seems to be at a similar timing for the SA Pluto to your comp AC, right?
Yes Jim! Explains a-lot with you and Trump’s composite. Gave me the insight to check out the composite that almost broke my marriage apart. Note that partile Mercury-Venus cnj and with a Sidereal Astrology slant with partile Mars cnj WP in RA. Just by noting the angular planets---well we all get the picture of Venus-Mars!Anything within 2°?Jim Eshelman wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:33 pmApplying 1°/year from that time forward, nothing at all is partile this year.Arena wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:24 pm And Jim, can you please tell us what you see when you move your composite from the time you actually started the courtship with your partner and then if something special is going on this year, 2019, when the couple gets married? Just by moving one degree for each year from the start date of your relationship until now?
Yes, this is what I would have thought. Your date of meeting/courtship is so close to your wedding date that you would not actually be able to see much difference in SA comp.SteveS wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:54 pm Arena asked:We met in June 1970 through my best friend—they were cousins. We married in Jan 1971.Steve, how long a time passed from when you met and started the courtship with your wife and until you got married?
...but not ONLY the wedding date, but rather compare with first meeting/first courtship date when it comes to couples.For sure Arena, could be more important than the wedding date, and no doubt if there is no wedding date.Keep in mind the solar arcs from the point in time when a courtship starts.
This makes good sense to me.…so my idea is that the composite may rather be "started" from the day the courtship starts.
Without a doubt Arena -lots of testing. It is somewhat difficult to get lots of samples with accurate data for a starting date of courtship, along with the main incidents with any types of long- standing relationships, probably there is a lot of private stuff never to be known for a reliable statistical analysis. Maybe a good source would be married Hollywood couples who had been married for many years---then divorced. Or when one of the spouses passed away ending the relationship, but I am not sure I would want to know this type of info with proven SAs. This type married/divorce info would probably be easy to access on the internet. So far, all I really know as appearing as a valid technique with SAing the composite chart itself is with my marriage relationship composite and with JFK/Jacqueline Kennedy composite. I still have lots of questions about the composite chart but still think an improved way to see more clearly into a composite chart is with main principles of Sidereal Astrology. House delineations appear to be working with 4 or more midpoints in the same house, but House delineation is a very tricky/vague business. I am probably going to be analyzing more composite charts of public couples with Solar Arcing if I can find reliable data.So I guess this need quite a bit of testing
The composite chart deals with relationships in a new way. The technique takes into account the fact that a relationship of any kind is not simply two (or more) people together; it is also an entity in its own right. If two people are involved with each other, there are three entities—the two people and their relationship. Often in everyday experience we know of people whose being together makes no sense but who have an excellent and fulfilling relationship. Somehow, being together calls up parts of themselves that were not apparent before. These new parts really belong to the third entity, the relationship.
Very well stated V about the composite chart. I have no children, but if I did-- the composite chart would be the chief chart I would monitor with my children. I wish the teachings of the composite chart would be able to be taught to all beginning astrologers.Me too V. When I first purchased Hand’s book ‘Planets In Composite’ back in the late 70s, I think (can’t remember for sure) I read a little of the book and gave up on the book because I immediately realized I couldn’t calculate the composite chart, not enough math/astronomy skills. Then by ancient I was rummaging through some stored boxes of old astrology books a couple of weeks ago, which I culled out many years ago thinking they were no use to me, and found Hand’s book realizing I now had a computer and SF which could calculate a composite chart in seconds. And now more and more I am seeing the value of this book for astrologers worldwide. Hand stated in his book:I wish the teachings of the composite charts could be taught to all.
This is exactly what happened to me when I first started reading Hand’s composite book—I was very skeptical but the more I looked deeper into other couple’s composites which I had known for a long time—the more I realized—geez this is a very important book and chart which appears to have slipped beneath the astrological community radar. Its like I found a valuable gold coin with a metal detector buried deep underground, which is exciting my astrological soul very much with new important astrological discoveries.When I first encountered composites charts in 1972 I was not impressed. It struck me as a formal mathematical device based on a gimmick that did not reflect any kind of astrological reality. Needless to say, this was an a priori opinion not based on experience, which illustrates the danger of such judgments in astrology. Later I became convinced that the technique was valid…
Jim Eshelman wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:53 pm There are two terribly interesting mathematical properties of many Composite chart aspects that arise from Composite planets being midpoints.
These two mathematical properties add an interesting complexity to judging the importance of the Composite: The math quirks identify factors that would be present and significant even if the Composite chart has no value. Do they, therefore, explain why chart seems to work sometimes and not others? Or do they reinforce factors that already exist in the respective natals or in synastry?
Here are the two interesting features:
1. If both people have the same natal aspect, then the Composite will have that aspect. For example, if both people have Mercury conjunct Saturn, then the Composite will have Mercury conjunct Saturn. If one has Mercury-Saturn conjunct and the other Mercury-Saturn opposite, the Composite chart will have Mercury square Saturn. - The orb in the Composite will be the average of the orbs in the natals, which sometimes makes weak natal aspects strong in the Composite. If the Composite is actually valid, this is a way to draw out lesser traits in each person, reflecting the common observation that latent similarities between people become stronger when they are together.
2. If the same planetary interchange (co-aspect) exists both directions between the two charts - that is, if each person's A aspects the other person's B - then the Composite will have those to planets in that aspect. The orb in the Composite will be the average of the orbs of the two co-aspects, which would make weak interchanges stronger in the Composite. The strength of this characteristic may be because the Composite is valid, or it may simply be that the composite shows an aspect that already exists two other ways between their charts.
An example of No. 1: I have Mercury conjunct Saturn, with Mercury 2°24' past Saturn (+2°24'). Anna-Kria has Mercury conjunct Saturn with Mercury 5°06' before Saturn (-5°06'). Average these two orbs and get -1°21': Our Composite indeed has a Mercury-Saturn conjunction with an orb of 1°21'.
Another example of No. 1: I have Mercury conjunct Saturn, with Mercury 2°24' past Saturn (+2°24'). Marion has Mercury square Saturn with Mercury 1°22' before Saturn (-1°22'). Average these two orbs and get +0°31', and average the conjunction and square to get a semi-square: Our Composite has a Mercury-Saturn sesqui-square with an orb of 0°31'.
An example of No. 2: Anna-Kria's Venus 6°18' Capricorn widely squares my Neptune at 1°20' Libra (+4°58'). My Venus at 1°53' Scorpio widely squares her Neptune at 7°37' Leo (-5°44'). Average these two orbs to get 0°23' and, indeed, our Composite has a 0°23' Venus-Neptune square.
Another example of No. 2: Marion's Venus 19°28' Aries squares my Mercury at 17°21' Libra (+2°08'). My Venus at 1°53' Scorpio opposes her Mercury at 27°31' Aries (+4°22'). Average these two orbs to get +3°15' and, indeed, our Composite has a 3°15' Mercury-Venus opposition.
In my looking into these charts with my relationships ans seeing them ebb and flow in cycles I am struck by the long term locking in of certain aspects between the outer planets and how even over time the inner planets get somewhat locked into certain apects.Jim Eshelman wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:53 pm There are two terribly interesting mathematical properties of many Composite chart aspects that arise from Composite planets being midpoints.
These two mathematical properties add an interesting complexity to judging the importance of the Composite: The math quirks identify factors that would be present and significant even if the Composite chart has no value. Do they, therefore, explain why chart seems to work sometimes and not others? Or do they reinforce factors that already exist in the respective natals or in synastry?
Here are the two interesting features:
1. If both people have the same natal aspect, then the Composite will have that aspect. For example, if both people have Mercury conjunct Saturn, then the Composite will have Mercury conjunct Saturn. If one has Mercury-Saturn conjunct and the other Mercury-Saturn opposite, the Composite chart will have Mercury square Saturn. - The orb in the Composite will be the average of the orbs in the natals, which sometimes makes weak natal aspects strong in the Composite. If the Composite is actually valid, this is a way to draw out lesser traits in each person, reflecting the common observation that latent similarities between people become stronger when they are together.
2. If the same planetary interchange (co-aspect) exists both directions between the two charts - that is, if each person's A aspects the other person's B - then the Composite will have those to planets in that aspect. The orb in the Composite will be the average of the orbs of the two co-aspects, which would make weak interchanges stronger in the Composite. The strength of this characteristic may be because the Composite is valid, or it may simply be that the composite shows an aspect that already exists two other ways between their charts.
An example of No. 1: I have Mercury conjunct Saturn, with Mercury 2°24' past Saturn (+2°24'). Anna-Kria has Mercury conjunct Saturn with Mercury 5°06' before Saturn (-5°06'). Average these two orbs and get -1°21': Our Composite indeed has a Mercury-Saturn conjunction with an orb of 1°21'.
Another example of No. 1: I have Mercury conjunct Saturn, with Mercury 2°24' past Saturn (+2°24'). Marion has Mercury square Saturn with Mercury 1°22' before Saturn (-1°22'). Average these two orbs and get +0°31', and average the conjunction and square to get a semi-square: Our Composite has a Mercury-Saturn sesqui-square with an orb of 0°31'.
An example of No. 2: Anna-Kria's Venus 6°18' Capricorn widely squares my Neptune at 1°20' Libra (+4°58'). My Venus at 1°53' Scorpio widely squares her Neptune at 7°37' Leo (-5°44'). Average these two orbs to get 0°23' and, indeed, our Composite has a 0°23' Venus-Neptune square.
Another example of No. 2: Marion's Venus 19°28' Aries squares my Mercury at 17°21' Libra (+2°08'). My Venus at 1°53' Scorpio opposes her Mercury at 27°31' Aries (+4°22'). Average these two orbs to get +3°15' and, indeed, our Composite has a 3°15' Mercury-Venus opposition.
well Steve you referred me to Hand last year and I followed up on it. I was also put on it by a few things Jim and JSAD talked about. Ive mentioned it in my postings over the past year here and there as the relationship I have with Craig blows me outa the water and I couldnt exactly say why, which ....im a girl who likes to know why.SteveS wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2019 10:29 am V wrote:Me too V. When I first purchased Hand’s book ‘Planets In Composite’ back in the late 70s, I think (can’t remember for sure) I read a little of the book and gave up on the book because I immediately realized I couldn’t calculate the composite chart, not enough math/astronomy skills. Then by ancient I was rummaging through some stored boxes of old astrology books a couple of weeks ago, which I culled out many years ago thinking they were no use to me, and found Hand’s book realizing I now had a computer and SF which could calculate a composite chart in seconds. And now more and more I am seeing the value of this book for astrologers worldwide. Hand stated in his book:I wish the teachings of the composite charts could be taught to all.
This is exactly what happened to me when I first started reading Hand’s composite book—I was very skeptical but the more I looked deeper into other couple’s composites which I had known for a long time—the more I realized—geez this is a very important book and chart which appears to have slipped beneath the astrological community radar. Its like I found a valuable gold coin with a metal detector buried deep underground, which is exciting my astrological soul very much with new important astrological discoveries.When I first encountered composites charts in 1972 I was not impressed. It struck me as a formal mathematical device based on a gimmick that did not reflect any kind of astrological reality. Needless to say, this was an a priori opinion not based on experience, which illustrates the danger of such judgments in astrology. Later I became convinced that the technique was valid…
Exactly V, your statement here touches on a-lot of truth involving the nature of things! When I think about the math involved with a composite chart producing a circle with two people's midpoints placed mathematically perfectly inside this circle, ensouling a third entity of a relationship itself with two human beings, using certain techniques of astrology it reminds of what Faraday said:It is important and a nifty thing about math and how patterns arise.
And then:There is nothing in the Universe but mathematical points of force.
Everything in existence is based on exact proportion and perfect relationship. There is no chance in nature, because mathematical principles of the highest order lie at the foundation of all things.
Yes it is from our original natals (time) and birth locations (space).Steve I saw your composite of you and your wife.
Is that chart from the original natals of you both?
I understand V and thank you, mathematical nature involving time & space truly ‘blessed’ us with our composite chart with the benefics. Our composite chart is the main chart which astrologically explains to my mind WHY our composite relationship has survived so long. We are all encased in a very deep mystery of time and space with symbolic principles of the planets, which astrologers understand better than anyone on the planet.As a romantic heart it is nice to see long lived love like yours. You are both blessed.
V, I have not read Townley’s book but I am definitely going to get around to reading his book. But it certainly is becoming obvious to me we are indeed dealing with some higher universal/mathematical principles with the Composite Chart. Thanks V for this important info.I dont know if you have read John Townley's book Composite Charts, if you havnt you may want to go check the book out on Amazon. It has a fantastic excerpt that gets into the higher math involved. I was going to cut and paste some points made: ie the idea of the midpoint being the shoreline....and the passing off of energies....But to do so would most likely infringe on copyright and I would have to post a conciderable portion to express those idea....and I dont have his permission.....So just thought Id mention it. Very cool ideas that really bring many the many fields of art and science all together.
Exactly Jim. What I am doing is endeavoring to find the approximate time for when the relationship begins, and then adding 1 degree/1 year to all the composite’s midpoints and angles for how many years the relationship has been in existence, in order to determine certain symbolic ‘outstanding incidents.’ during the relationship. So far with my spot checking this is proving a most interesting research exercise.It occurs to me, Steve, that part of what you are seeking here is a way to quickly mentally calculate Solar Arcs in the Composite. This is complicated (compared to a natal) because it doesn't have a single starting point, like a person's birth.
Exactly Jim! Hand from his Composite Book says about 8th House:BTW, just mentioning in passing since I don't want to do a hard touch on houses (I still don't think we have any quality evidence houses exist, but do think we should consider how the earliest proponents of Composites used them)... In hindsight, the Kennedy marriage is defined in most people's mind by one event, Jack's murder, and the huge trauma unleashed by that. It's interesting, therefore, that their composite has five planets in the 8th house including both luminaries. Simplest reading of the chart is, "This relation exists primarily for an 8th house purpose." Those planets are also the concentration point of nearly all the important aspects of the chart, including the Sun-Moon conjunction, Pluto anchoring the Saturn-Pluto square, and Venus anchoring the Venus-Uranus square.
IMO, using House symbolism for foresight is a very tricky task, but I have found using House symbolism in hindsight is most interesting.Traditionally, the 8th house is the house of death, but this meaning is not limited to actual physical death. We refer to the eighth house as the house of major transformations. A strong eighth house will very likely make a considerable impact on both partners, and is more likely to mean a relationship of great significance that will bring about major changes in the lives of the two people, especially at the psychological level.
To be clear, this is not at all what I was suggesting. My instructions (in t he pst from which you quoted) on how to do this aren't what you're looking for, so ignore them. Nothing I have suggested (or will suggest) has anything to do with picking some arbitrary point in the middle of people's lives as a "zero point" for starting directions.SteveS wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2019 6:38 amExactly Jim. What I am doing is endeavoring to find the approximate time for when the relationship begins, and then adding 1 degree/1 year to all the composite’s midpoints and angles for how many years the relationship has been in existence, in order to determine certain symbolic ‘outstanding incidents.’ during the relationship.Jim wrote:It occurs to me, Steve, that part of what you are seeking here is a way to quickly mentally calculate Solar Arcs in the Composite. This is complicated (compared to a natal) because it doesn't have a single starting point, like a person's birth.
I clearly understand this Jim. For possible research purposes, I am not picking some arbitrary point in the middle of people’s lives with a composite chart. As a possible “zero point” for starting directions with a composite chart itself, I am picking the beginning point of a relationship to begin Solar Arc directing for a composite chart, seems like a logical point to begin a composite chart itself for directions, imo.Nothing I have suggested (or will suggest) has anything to do with picking some arbitrary point in the middle of people's lives as a "zero point" for starting directions.
I'm dropping out of this thread.
I really don’t understand why. If I offended you in any manner, it certainly was not my intention. If I have posted anything which offends you or your astrological philosophy for your forum, please delete my post and I will surly understand. Since I feel I have rubbed you in the wrong manner with my posts in this thread, I will discontinue any further posts/research for composite charts.
Jupe, I am by recent observations noticing that by app Solar Arcing the midpoints and angles of a composite chart from the approximate beginning of a long-term relationship, using the standard Solar Arc formula 1 year = 1 degree, is pinpointing events/incidents with a composite relationship within a one year time frame. SF will not set-up the composite chart in dynamic mode in order to get a list of Solar Arc hits for a composite chart beginning a long-term relationship for a composite chart. Therefore, there is nothing left to do but mentally closely estimate with the formula 1 degree=1 year for Solar Arching the midpoints and angles of a composite chart for important events/incidents in a long term relationship. All I am observing is Solar Arching the composite chart itself with an app beginning of a long term relationship is timing important incidents in the life of the relationship. I think this could be very important for future young astrologers on this forum, and that is the spirit I am coming from. Jim seems to think this is nonsense but I think I have confused him which I understand. What few observations I have made with Solar Arching the midpoints and angles of a composite chart with an app beginning of a long-term relationship is offering par-excellent time frames for important incidents in a relationship.Steve, you've moved so far from Hand's composite chart, I think you might rename your technique so people don't get it confused with Hand's techniques or Sidereal techniques.
Maybe when I have a data base of 2-3 dozens Composite Charts of long-term relationship couples (A, AA rated) will I continue the thread or start a new one. Steve, to clarify: No, you haven't offended me,
Thanks Jim. But after thinking about this topic, I do think maybe I have confused certain issues with my rambling day to day research. I need to try and achieve a solid data base for long-term couples, and reorganize this topic on what I think I am seeing as a possible new technique discovery for the composite chart involving Solar Arcs. I think I will start here with this link to see how many A, AA rated charts I get: That sounds like a great plan. Looking forward to seeing this.SteveS wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2019 6:05 pm I need to try and achieve a solid data base for long-term couples, and reorganize this topic on what I think I am seeing as a possible new technique discovery for the composite chart involving Solar Arcs.
(I think the discussion of Composites themselves, and of real transits or directions to them, has been quite positive, informative, and engaging.)
Me too Jim, I am very excited about exploring em more. I feel now like Hand in 1975 when he wrote from his Composite Book:This is what I am trying to do--share my composite research results with the astrological community on this forum. I followed Hand’s work closely from 1977-1988, and never did I see him mention the Composite Chart, leading me to believe Hand never got much feedback from the astrological community, probably because the astrological community did not have computers to compute the math for a composite chart. You and Hand had a heads-up with composite charting explorations because ya'll knew how to compute the math involved. But now we have better tools for research with computers and the internet for calculation & data at our fingertips.The composite chart provides an almost unlimited field of research. I invite anyone who is interested to try out these techniques and share their results with the rest of the astrological community.
No, I did know this until you pointed this out to me a couple of weeks ago. I want to work closely with this technique with research for long relationships with Hollywood couples on the date they married. When you have time, could you go over the SF steps for analyzing the date for my marriage with Solar Arcs in Composites? I was married Jan 23 1971, 3:00 PM. Wife bc: Oct 20 1950, 11:07 PM, Columbus, Georgia.I think you know, but just in case you don't: The technique of Solar Arcs in Composites is well established. For any given point in time, you calculate the Solar Arcs of the two people and make a composite of that.
That sounds like a great plan. Looking forward to seeing this.
Thanks Jupe, I will start a new thread for this plan. Instead of looking at malefic signatures in relationships gone bad, we will be able to see benefic signatures with Sidereal Astrology techniques and Hand's/Townley's techniques, also maybe look at other techniques. So you'd like Solar Arcs of the Composite for the events of the marriage? Sure, I'll check that later today.SteveS wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:29 amNo, I did know this until you pointed this out to me a couple of weeks ago. I want to work closely with this technique with research for long relationships with Hollywood couples on the date they married. When you have time, could you go over the SF steps for analyzing the date for my marriage with Solar Arcs in Composites? I was married Jan 23 1971, 3:00 PM. Wife bc: Oct 20 1950, 11:07 PM, Columbus, Georgia.Jim wrote:I think you know, but just in case you don't: The technique of Solar Arcs in Composites is well established. For any given point in time, you calculate the Solar Arcs of the two people and make a composite of that.
Will do Jim, my friend from Gulf Shores is here for a few days installing two of his old computers as back-ups. Its nice to have those type friends.For the Hollywood couples, please start your new thread in the ?"Synastry Examples of the Famous" sub-forum that I created recently. I made it exactly for this purpose - to build a data base of chart-comparisons of the famous and keep them in a separate place from discussions of our private relationship charts.
Sometime today I will delete my new thread and re-post in famous people thread per your instructions. I already moved it for youSteveS wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:00 am Sometime today I will delete my new thread and re-post in famous people thread per your instructions.
Steve, here is the Solar Arc Composite for you and your wife for date of marriage. Notice that the important Sun-Venus conjunction is exactly conjoined by directed Ascendant.SteveS wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:29 am When you have time, could you go over the SF steps for analyzing the date for my marriage with Solar Arcs in Composites? I was married Jan 23 1971, 3:00 PM. Wife bc: Oct 20 1950, 11:07 PM, Columbus, Georgia.
Jim has said clearly elsewhere, he wants this forum to be a place people who are new to Sidereal Astrology to come to learn what Sidereal Astrology is and how to use it. He's said he's concerned people may instead pick up some of the other ideas being expressed and think "That's what Sidereal Astrology is." when that isn't at all what it is, and feels he has to spend his time to follow up and say, no that isn't Sidereal Astrology.I have created this site for three primary purposes:
1) To provide a place for education concerning Sidereal astrology.
2) To provide a forum for the intelligent and progressive discussion of Sidereal astrology.
3) To provide (either on this main site, or in the companion forum) a convenient place to post fragments of my own writings — in most cases, works in progress — as interpretive guides.
Composites are used in both tropical and sidereal astrology and therefore should be ok to discuss them in this forum.2) To provide a forum for the intelligent and progressive discussion of Sidereal astrology.
I agree Arena. I am trying to find out if Townley is still active in the astrological community and contact him to send him several of my example composite charts using the app 1 degree per 1 year for arcing the midpoints in a composite chart. Also to see if Townley knows of a astro program which will allow to set-up the composite chart in dynamic mode so I can do more precise research work with arcing the midpoints in a composite. In the meantime, I am finding more solid examples where arching the midpoints of a composite is timing par-excellent symbolism for events in the life of a relationship-composite chart. Here is a composite example for a Mother & her troubled Son who committed suicide on Aug 18 2015.It is both intelligent and progressive to contemplate on possible methods of reading into solar arcs for composite charts. And when discussing possible methods of doing the solar arcs, there is no need to name the different techniques. Solar arcs as such are "well known and established" but they can be used in different ways.
When the Son was 15 years old he hit a school mate (bully) over the head with a brick, seriously injuring the bully. The Son was expelled permanently from school.The Mars-Pluto signature is indeed harsh and I believe it is sometimes connected to sexual abuse or hidden violence.
I understand your concern Arena and agree with you on the Mercury blend. Mars-Pluto can manifest with very positive energies but still this combo is always pause for concern. As long as you see no negative Mars-Pluto manifesting with her life so far, then I would strongly think this will not become a problematic situation in the life of your daughter.(My daughter has a Mars-Pluto-Mer tight conjunction and it scares me - but I keep thinking to myself that since it has Mer involved it will have a Mer theme rather than a Martian sexual abuse theme.)
Yes, there was a-lot of love between Mother & Son until teen-age years. She raised the child as a single working Mother for survival. When the Son reached teenage years the problematic years began. He started doing lots of drugs! He and his Mother started to fight a-lot with the Son threatening his Mother’s life—twice with a knife to her throat. He once came in the house with shotgun (stolen) and put it to my friend’s head. It was terrible—had to call police several times and once institutionalizing the son for weeks. The worst of the worst of his natal Mars-Pluto 90 reared its ugly side big time! The parents tried everything to help the Son, but I think the drugs took control! Note the Moon-Neptune cnj—with the drugs—he became highly delusional.You don't give enough about the mother-son relationship for me to assess the Composite itself, although the 09' Moon-Venus square is a stand-out, suggesting lot of love between the two; and the Mars-Pluto stands out,
d Mars sq. c Jupiter 01'Taking, then, the Solar Arcs of the Composite itself - the real Composite solar arcs, not measured from his birthv - we find an acute crisis the year of the suicide, starting with directed Mars exactly conjunct Composite MC. Here are the partile aspects of the compsotie Solar Arcs to the Composite ("natal") placements for the date of suicide. They are quite impressive!
If I do the same to my composite as I did with yours, Steve, just moving the angles by primary motion I do see the milestones of those angles to the planets.
This means approximate timings of:
about 8 yrs into our relationship the downer of Saturn was the first real trouble we had in 2015 (we started in March 2007) when suddenly things changed so much after having had our first years of love, connection, making our home renovations, bringing two children into the world and then suddenly me going into a strange period - not wanting to marry him when he asked, but went to the opposite extreme of almost separating at the time. The AC is one degree off a direct hit for that.
If I regress the AC to Venus it is almost 10°, and it was just 3 months short of our 10 yrs anniversary that we got engaged in Tenerife, Christmas 2016.
Not sure what to make of the IC to Mars, that is 9° and we did actually move to Edinburgh when we had been together 9 years, or in summer 2016. But in other ways I am not sure of the Mars energy around that time since it was actually just a time of study... so would fit with regressing the IC to meet Mercury - but that seems too far off strangely since we both went back to Uni, it would have been very descriptive of that year. But this chart seems to give us Mercury influence this year, or 12 yrs into our relationship. This would also mean that next year is REALLY shaky with the IC moving to shattering Pluto which could mean a new start, moving homes or possibly a separation or a separative heavy period. IF the relationship survives that Pluto touch ... then the next touch will be the AC to the Sun in 7 yrs time.
IF I compare and use a slightly earlier bt for myself, but same for his... then the AC is on the direct midpoint between Ven & Sat, meaning approx 8 Degrees from both - which would fit with year 2015 when he actually proposed and wanted to get married and I said no with a period of downfall in the relationship. Very fitting.
The earlier bt would also fit with the regr IC hitting Mercury when we moved to Edinburgh and both studied our first year here ...this would be followed by the IC touching Mars about 11 yrs into the relationship... which is essentially the last year (full of tensions and fighting - our children have never seen this kind of aggression from their father before) ... and this would mean the Pluto separative period would be slightly later or in about 2-3 yrs from now. Let's see if we survive
Yes. In my case, 48 years of my beginning relationship with wife. Whenever I check any type of astrological technique, I always start with wife and my charts. Since I clearly saw solid SA hits with arching the midpoints of our composite for major events in the relationship, I went on to other (few) long term composite relationships in my files and got good solid hits for SAing the midpoints of a composite for event timing purposes. This intrigues me very much looking at the composite as a possible valid stand alone chart-no different from a Natal Chart. What I need for further substantial research is a lot of AA charts/composites for long term relationships with major relationship events, a difficult task. I wish I could contact Townley by phone since he originated Composite Charting research in the USA.So in my own case those methods both seem to be valid.
Excellent points V, there are all kinds of relationships, all important, especially the relationships between siblings and the mother. A mother who is an astrologer sits in a unique position viewing relationship charts with their children and other family members. Thanks for this input.It seems to me that you are focusing on relationships that people have made by choice, personal and business with very few family relationships.
Patents and children, siblings, aunts and uncles and cousins and grandparents are huge relationships in a persons life and have lots of events, maybe not benchmark events like we typically think like a wedding or first time meeting or an engagement but they have major turning points and points of growth or decay.
You may be able to gather more data if you look into family charts.
I know in looking at my 5 siblings and parents and grandparents and nieces and nephews has greatly stretched my understand of astrology and how it does mirror the nature of relationships which IMO is the fabric of the universe itself.
Now, after reading both Hand’s (1973) and Townley’s book (2000) on composite charting techniques, I will later offer some of my opinions about the possible analysis of the composite chart using some of the main techniques of Sidereal Astrology, based on my limited experience of composite charts with my files of AA Natal’s.One must evaluate the synastry and the composite chart of the relationship. These two techniques I rate about equally important and I would hesitate to give either priority over the other. However, the following rule of thumb might be used, but only as a “rule of thumb.” I think that the synastry between two charts describe more of how two people affect each other, and how they make each other feel. I believe the composite chart describes more accurately how the relationship is likely to fare, although cannot exclude synastry from that consideration, either.
