Forecasting the 2024 Presidential Election Outcome

[alinda]

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[Arena]

Ok, so inauguration day should give us more clues. We need to look at natal and local charts.

So which one has more positive astro vibes for this day.

Kamala Harris will still have that t. Sat opp r. Pluto. It's in her 10th, signifying a loss. It's also partile trine her r. Neptune, perhaps signifying a depressed mood. However, she does also have Venus there, partile opp her r. Venus. However Jupiter has moved backwards and is far from her angles.

The inauguration Moon does not aspect her natal at all. That's a big sign. The MC is right on her r. Vx and r. Nep which is aspected by t. Ven-Sat (mixed vibes). The Asc of the ing. chart is not favorable for her in the 8th house. So by house method it seems like her enemy and malefic houses are activated there. The Vx point in the chart is on her r. Saturn and we see that t. Sun-Pluto square her r. Sun-Moon and Mer. She does have that Uranus on her r. Jup which is sometimes called "thank god" aspect. If she has lost this may signify that she actually will be relieved in a way that she did.

Solar arcs do not look good in terms of benefic influence, I've already said before it seems like her time has already passed and her "top" was when she became VP with that full Moon on her angles. It's 4° past now.
All in all the astro vibes to her natal are not promising at all.

However, this changes for her relocated chart. That's where the ing. Moon touches her rel. IC and also near her d. Mars and so does the ing. DSC. However, t. Jup is not aspecting anything there either and her d. Jup is now 4° past the sq. to her rel. MC, again indicating her time has kinda passed the top for success in her career.

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Donald Trump has the inauguration Moon right on his Jupiter and t. Uranus almost partile his r. MC, so he's probably changing his job/career and perhaps home situation which he will by moving into the White House. The ing chart has the ASC in his 9th, activating the communication aspect in the 3rd, perhaps indictive of a speech. The ing MC is in his 6th as well, sometimes called the house of enemies. T. Mars on his Saturn-Venus and Vx axis. Not good at all, makes me wonder if there's actually another attack on his life around this time. T. Ven-Sat to his r. Uranus - mixed.

Partile solar arcs show d. MC to his r. Pluto which may be his power increase in job. D, Mer has just moved out of 1° orb to sq r. Sun. Dir. Nep on his Nodes and full moon aspect. I just noticed that the solar eclipse is near his dir. Vx axis.

Somehow I get the feeling that the inauguration Moon is quite important and that one is in Trumps' favor. His MC is activated in both charts, which is also indicating great changes to his career with lots of power.

Relocation changes a bit, but still has the Uranus on the MC. But there is a Mercury activation with t. Mer on rel. Vx and his r. Mer close to the ing. IC.

So the charts are very mixed.
I'll check the progressions as well.

Trump is excited and is changing. pr. Uranus on his Node & Moon.
Pr. Venus conj. pr. Jup and they are sq his r. Ven-Sat.
However, he's also having a pr. Moon sq r. Pluto, so it's also sq. his pr. MC. Parting with someone and transforming.

Kamala has pr. Jup now opposing her r. Nep and Vx point. Pr. Mer on DSC. Pr. Moon is not in dynamic aspect to natal chart, but it is being trined by t. Saturn.

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Although these are quite mixed, it still seems like overall there are more positive/benefic changing vibes for Trump and more malefic for Kamala.

[SteveS]

Vegas betting odds are agreeing with you Arena. But, in the 2016 Prez Election I saw the Vegas odds big time in Hillary's favor and Trump won in a huge upset. 2016 was the only time in my life I saw the Vegas odds wrong for a Prez Election. To many mixed indicators for me to make a wager on this Prez election.

[SteveS]

Elon Musk is a huge Trump Supporter. Let’s look at 3 of the 6 Jayne’s Directional Arcs that I can calculate with Solarfire, only using the main “Life Developments” Partile Angular Hits. (Calculate for Nov 5 2024—Birthplace)

1: Solar Arc MC 25,00 Tau; r Venus 25,03 Tau; Solar Arc Moon 04,54 Lib; r MC 03,59 Ari
2: Ascendant Arc Jupiter 03,57 Cap; r MC 03,59 Ari
3: Vertex Arc MC 03,23 Tau; r Jupiter 03,18 Scorpio

Of course all of these benefic angular hits could be only symbolizing some kind of benefic peak for his company Telsa, he is not a Politian—he is a Businessman.

June 28th 1971; 7:30 AM EET; Pretoria, South Africa; 25S45; 028E10

[Jim Eshelman]

Watch out for November 17. (That's all I'm going to say right now.) Stay safe.

[Arena]

Elon Musk is a huge Trump Supporter. Let’s look at 3 of the 6 Jayne’s Directional Arcs that I can calculate with Solarfire, only using the main “Life Developments” Partile Angular Hits. (Calculate for Nov 5 2024—Birthplace)

1: Solar Arc MC 25,00 Tau; r Venus 25,03 Tau; Solar Arc Moon 04,54 Lib; r MC 03,59 Ari
2: Ascendant Arc Jupiter 03,57 Cap; r MC 03,59 Ari
3: Vertex Arc MC 03,23 Tau; r Jupiter 03,18 Scorpio

Of course all of these benefic angular hits could be only symbolizing some kind of benefic peak for his company Telsa, he is not a Politian—he is a Businessman.

June 28th 1971; 7:30 AM EET; Pretoria, South Africa; 25S45; 028E10

Thank you Steve. Very interesting. Very very benefic.
Well, Elon Musk is not only a supporter, he has offered to be on Trump's government/administrative team to cut down government spending. RFK jr. has offered to be on the team as well to reform health and I think Trump has accepted that. I think we will see Tulsy Gabbard and Vivek on the team in one way or another as well. I believe these people are strengthening Trumps rise to the winning/finish line.

BUT the deep state don't want them. You've all witnessed the propaganda machine delivering all kind of bull..t and lies, smearing through the media. Because they do not agree to their wars all over the place and the huge military industrial complex and the other pharma industrial complex would lose big. So I believe the deep state will not accept his victory, they will stage something and possibly use the military like they do in other countries where they don't want to accept democratically elected leaders. They will use it somehow - I don't know exactly how though. They might make an inside cue, which would have horrible ramifications for the USA as a nation. That is the Mars-Pluto side of these elections. There will most definitely be violence, and it might not be directed towards Trump only this time.

Some of you might be interested in this interview with former State department official and the practise of this that the Biden administration has already done. It's a very dark plan. I've only seen a part of it. It's scary. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTrZLHQOJkg

[Profit]

Watch out for November 17. (That's all I'm going to say right now.) Stay safe.

Interesting... Could it be the 16th instead?

This is a fascinating journey these posts on the election of 2024. antidotes and biases abound.

[Arena]

Watch out for November 17. (That's all I'm going to say right now.) Stay safe.

Why do you say that?
Do you mean because of Sun's ingress into sidereal Scorpio in D.C.?
It has a Moon-Jup/ASC and Mer on DSC. There is a Saturnian influence because of the square to the Moon and ASC. The Sun is 0,10° opposite Uranus, which might mean some kind of Uranian event, but it isn't malefic.

Comparing both zodiac ingresses into inauguration month:

Tropical: 21.12.2024 at 4.10 AM shows unaspected Uranus as the closest planet to angle on the DSC, signifying change. Venus square the ASC shows love and good mood, while the Moon opposition to Saturn shows the bad mood for some. However, the Moon is also square Jup and quinc Venus. All in all, pretty good.

Sidereal: 14.01.2025 at 7.03 PM has nothing angular, the Sun trine Uranus and opposite Mars, a yod formation of Moon-Jup quinc Mer and then the Venus-Sat conjunction squre Jupiter. Mixed vibes, but much more benefic than malefic.

[Jim Eshelman]

Watch out for November 17. (That's all I'm going to say right now.) Stay safe.

Why do you say that?

See the longer discussion in this month's mundane forecast for the U.S.

[SteveS]

IMO with 20-20 hindsight, Jayne’s Asc Arc method best symbolized why Trump lost the 2020 Prez Election and won the 2024 Prez Election for the following partile aspects:

His Asc Arc for Nov 2020 with his defeat:

ASC Arc MC 00,17 Can : r Saturn 29,49 Gem. (A major “Life Development” Arc)

His ASC Arc for his Prez win Nov 2024:

ASC Arc Jupiter 26,31 Scorpio; r Moon 27,12 Scorpio. (A “significant” Jupiter Arc to one of his lights, r Moon)

Donald Bradley wrote about Moon-Jupiter:

When Jupiter and the Moon are in major aspect, the native’s worldly standing is bettered, and he has cause to be enthusiastic. A candidate for public office can hardly expect election if Moon-Jupiter configurations are lacking…

[Jim Eshelman]

Though I'm basically saying as little as possible about this thread and related matters until after January 20, there is one hindsight item I want to mention: The one thing I probably didn't give enough weight to was that Harris' SSR - despite having transiting Uranus conjunct natal Jupiter on an angle, had her natal Saturn-Neptune comes to 0°09' mundane square in the foreground.

If this had been a transiting Saturn-Neptune, I've have caught it in a moment. Since it was a "discovered" natal aspect and the two planets were barely foreground (each about 9° from an angle) I gave it little weight. (There were so many ways to interpret a natal Saturn-Neptune forming as a minor, barely angular factor within the expected outcome of Uranus-Jupiter.)

By going to Philadelphia, she kept transiting Uranus conjunct natal Jupiter on an angle but favoring transiting Uranus (0°25') over natal Jupiter (1°30'; their midpoint was 0°58' from the angle). If she had stayed in Washington as I originally hoped, Jupiter would have been the stronger (0°31' vs. Uranus 1°23', Ju/Ur midpoint 0°26' from the angle). This isn't all that big a difference but does tip the scales toward a Uranus outcome more than a Jupiter outcome. Also, in Washington to the natal Saturn-Neptune mundane square was 0°56' instead of 0°09' - still quite close (but with the planets again barely foreground at 7-8° from the angles).

Though I'm still waiting until after January 20 for a full autopsy (there are still shoes to drop and, at least, we have to see the outcome of Trump's January lunars), at the moment this hindsight looking feels like what Don Bradley wrote me about the 1960 election and how things felt in the aftermath. On January 22, 1971, in writing to explain to me the Anlunar, he said:

I have one poignant memory about anlunars, worth mentioning. Richard Nixon's 1960 solar return had a Mercury-Saturn conjunction almost exact to the minute of arc, but in a background position -- so I discounted its importance, feeling strongly that he would win the election over Kennedy on the strength of other configurations. But the anlunar showed this Mercury-Saturn conjunction exactly on the Ascendant for the month covering election day itself. Other things, of course, contributed to his defeat (it was clear afterwards), but I'll always remember that Mercury-Saturn-on-an-angle anlunar chart!

[SteveS]

Anlunars are not in my tool box, maybe I need to put em in my tool box.

[SteveS]

We astrologers take our tool bags and love to predict Prez Elections, but here is a link (very short) about what was actually happening at LaGuardia Airport in New York at an apparel outlet 2 weeks before the election. Best damn prediction for the Prez Election I have seen.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/S9d5FAFKWJo