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PSSRs
Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 6:02 pm
by Jim Eshelman
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SteveS wrote:I was recently informed by a betting colleague that my wife’s PSSR for Jan 6th featured an exact Saturn conjunction to her PSSR MC, which only occurs once within a solar year. Jan 6th was the day my wife’s beloved Auburn Tigers lost the National Championship game. Cyril Fagan was an advocate of the PSSR. If anyone ever sees a Windows astrological program coming on the market calculating the PSSR, please let me know for my data base of sports figures and sports fans.
Re: PSSRs
Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 6:02 pm
by Jim Eshelman
SteveS wrote:If anyone ever sees a Windows astrological program coming on the market calculating the PSSR, please let me know for my data base of sports figures and sports fans.
I have been informed Janus 4.3 will calculate PSSR's. This program will be a welcome addition for my analysis with sports fans and certain key sports figures.
Re: PSSRs
Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 6:02 pm
by Jim Eshelman
Jupiter Sets At Dawn wrote:I think the next question is will it calculate them correctly?
Doesn't that software come with a free trial?
Re: PSSRs
Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 6:03 pm
by Jim Eshelman
SteveS wrote:Yes, they will calculate them correctly. I will send you a PM for your mind to see about verifying correct calculation and where you can purchase if needed. Software comes with a free 30 day trial.
Re: PSSRs
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 1:16 pm
by Jim Eshelman
SteveS wrote: Mon Jul 09, 2018 12:37 pm
Jim, for July 9th 2:27:47 PM CDT, Saint Clair Springs, Alabama or Springville, Alabama. I show my PSSR MC 19 Cancer 52 (True not Mean). Jim, what do you calculate--your the only one I know to trust for accuracy.
This will take me a while - one reason I have completely abandoned PSSRs. I'll try to find time to calculate one in the next couple of days.
Re: PSSRs
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 1:19 pm
by SteveS
OK Jim, no hurry, I told cool it may take a few days.
Re: PSSRs
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:08 pm
by Jim Eshelman
Steve, I just looked closely enough to see I don't understand the question.
It looks like you want a PSSR for your own chart for Springville, yes? If so, for what date and time do you want it calculated?
Re: PSSRs
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:16 pm
by SteveS
PSSR for July 9th 2:27:47 PM CDT, Springville, Alabama.
Re: PSSRs
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:22 pm
by Jim Eshelman
SteveS wrote: Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:16 pm
PSSR for July 9th 2:27:47 PM CDT, Springville, Alabama.
OK, I can do it, but it sounds strange that you're asking for an event timed to the second of time.
This is a tedious enough deal - tedious enough that I never do one even for myself - that I'd like not to do it twice.
Re: PSSRs
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:27 pm
by Jim Eshelman
Birth: September 20, 1947, 10:00 AM CST, Albertville, AL
Event: July 9, 2018, 2:27:47 PM CDT, Springville, AL
PRIOR SSR:
9/20/17, 9:33:37 AM CDT, Springville, AL
RAMC 8:46:26
Sun RA 178°00'
SUBSEQUENT SSR:
9/20/18, 3:42:34 PM CDT, Springville, AL
RAMC 14:55:26
Sun RA 178°01'
EVENT: RA Sun 109°00'
SSRY = 24:00:00 + 14:55:26 - 8:46:26 = 30:09:00
Divide this by 24:00:03 to get SSRY = 1.256206381722857
RAAS increase = 109°00 - 178°00' = 291°00'
PSSR INCREMENT: 1.256206381722857 x 291°00' = 24:22:13
PSSR RAMC = 8:46:26 + 24:22:13 = 9:08:39
Steve, I haven't checked this yet. Is the ST in your calculations 9:08:39?
That would be for a calculated chart 9/21/17 9:51:50 AM, Springville, AL with MC 19°49' Cancer, Asc 14°0' Libra. This MC is 0°03' off the one you gave.
Re: PSSRs
Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 2:26 am
by SteveS
Thanks Jim for verifying that Janus software is correct for accurately calculating the PSSR chart. Matthew (RIP) told me years ago Janus software was NOT accurate for their PSSR calculations, and Matthew called em and Janus said they would fix the PSSR error in their calculations. I needed you to verify if indeed Janus fixed the error, and I appreciate you so much for verifying Janus calculations are correct. I was just using a random example with my current PSSR calculated by Janus for you to verify Janus was correct in their calculations- no event for me--just a random example. Sorry for the confusion.
Yes cool, your instructions for Janus PSSR are spot on.
Re: PSSRs
Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2024 6:45 am
by cris25
Jim Eshelman wrote: Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:27 pm
Birth: September 20, 1947, 10:00 AM CST, Albertville, AL
Event: July 9, 2018, 2:27:47 PM CDT, Springville, AL
PRIOR SSR:
9/20/17, 9:33:37 AM CDT, Springville, AL
RAMC 8:46:26
Sun RA 178°00'
SUBSEQUENT SSR:
9/20/18, 3:42:34 PM CDT, Springville, AL
RAMC 14:55:26
Sun RA 178°01'
EVENT: RA Sun 109°00'
SSRY = 24:00:00 + 14:55:26 - 8:46:26 = 30:09:00
Divide this by 24:00:03 to get SSRY = 1.256206381722857
RAAS increase = 109°00 - 178°00' = 291°00'
PSSR INCREMENT: 1.256206381722857 x 291°00' = 24:22:13
PSSR RAMC = 8:46:26 + 24:22:13 = 9:08:39
Steve, I haven't checked this yet. Is the ST in your calculations 9:08:39?
That would be for a calculated chart 9/21/17 9:51:50 AM, Springville, AL with MC 19°49' Cancer, Asc 14°0' Libra. This MC is 0°03' off the one you gave.
"Good morning. Don't you include the equation of time mentioned by Ciryl Fagan in your calculations? That changes the angles a bit, right?"
Re: PSSRs
Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2024 7:18 am
by Jim Eshelman
cris25 wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2024 6:45 am
Good morning. Don't you include the equation of time mentioned by Cyril Fagan in your calculations? That changes the angles a bit, right?"
Good-morning, Chris. Great question.
Using Sun's RA as the argument takes care of that. The equation of time only adjusts for the changing rate of transiting Sun's RA.
Having said that - and hoping not to be confusing - I no longer thing either is needed. This is an old thread and talks about the original view of PSSRs, which measured the pace by apparent solar rate. I no longer think the PSSR works this way but, rather, by a mean (even time flow) rare. I might be wrong about this, though Kenneth Bowser agrees with me on it (a notable time that we agree on something that is at odds with both Fagan and Bradley). Of course, our agreement also doesn't mean we're right
But - returning to your question - if you want PSSR based on an
apparent solar argument, the most direct way is to use transiting Sun's RA as shown above. Alternately you can use a mean rate and correct it by the equation of time.
Re: PSSRs
Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:18 pm
by cris25
"I understand, thank you."