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Where does Bono live? Edge? Adam? Larry?

Each member of the band still lives in the Dublin area, where they grew up and first formed the band. It's not our place to give out specific addresses or directions to their homes, so you'll have to look elsewhere for that. Coincidentally, the homes of several members of the band have been discussed in some detail in the newspapers in recent years for various expansions and additions being sought and undertaken at their homes. The band members also have various residences in other parts of the world, too. Edge was in the press in late 2000 when he and Morleigh purchased a home in Malibu, California. The Edge and Bono also have homes in Eze in the south of France.

Jim Eshelman wrote:

Arena wrote:...it does sound like a roundoff for Bono at 2AM but this is what I found for him.

Yes, 2:00 AM is from him directly, and he seems firm that it was an exact time, not a round-off.

You have outlined his primary factors really well, except I'm not sure why you are relying on the Mundoscope aspects rather than the horoscope aspects. (Except for Jupiter-Neptune, everything you emphasize from the Mundoscope aspects is also present in the horoscope.) Let me do the breakdown from the top as a comparison for you.

His strongest constellations are: Sun in Aries, Moon in Libra, Mars in Pisces.

His most angular planet is Saturn, 2°43' above Ascendant (an astrological indication of why he was considered a suitable proposal to head the World Bank a few years ago). Uranus also is foreground, not quite 10° above Descendant. Half of his planets are background, with 'Sun being in the immediate background.

His most important aspects, ranked as I think most important, are:

Moon-Jupiter sextile (0°03')
Moon-Pluto sextile (0°39')
-- Jupiter-Pluto trine (0°36')
Venus-Neptune opposition (0°11')
-- Mercury-Venus conjunction (2°53')
-- Mercury-Neptune opposition (3°04')
-- Moon-Neptune conjunction (4°30')
-- Moon-Venus opposition (4°41')
Sun-Saturn trine (1°04')
Sun-Uranus square (2°20')
Saturn-Pluto sesquisquare (0°18')
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Mars-Jupiter square (3°58')
Venus-Pluto trine (4°02')

His ecliptic chart shows the Sun foreground - but not in his mundoscope.

Even from his ecliptic chart, you can see that Sun is almost exactly conjunct the 3rd Cusp - so you know that it is in the immediate background even before looking at the Mundoscope (which confirms it).

I would expect such a famous person to have Sun foreground.

A lot of famous people have background Suns. One of Bono's great character traits is that "it's not all about him." This shows in his musicianship and in his consciousness raising and other political activities.

I don't know what you do about aspects to the points like Vx, do you look at them or not?

No. Angles make no aspects. They are positions, not points.

But I allow myself to look at his chart with a little bit earlier birth time to see his MC move into Libra, making the Neptune-Venus-Mercury a foreground aspect and planets which also makes his natal Sun angular on the IC AND it moves his Asc in between Jupiter and Saturn, with Jupiter coming into the picture as a foreground planet now... to me it seems like it is very likely that his birth time might be somewhere between 1-2AM, but not necessarily to the minute of 2AM.

May I suggest a warning? This is one of the things that makes astrology look really bad, and has us think crazy things about astrology that aren't true. You don't like what you see in the chart, and so you change the chart to make it look like what you think it should be. Almost always this sort of move only shows off how little somebody knows about astrology.

You take someone who has Saturn rising and a background Sun - someone who's hallmark has been demonstrating that "it's all about the work, not his ego," and you displace it to give him an angular Sun. You give enough value to a Libra MC to alter a carefully stated birth time, even though statistics show that Midheaven and Ascendant sign expressions are weak. (I have to chuckle over one of the changes: For a Libra MC, one of the character traits that occurred so infrequently as to be statistically low is "poet." If we were to rely on the MC sign, we'd have to predict that Bono is not a poet. This would be quite wrong. Libra MC folks, as a rule, are also not travellers, not passionate, and not idealists - 100% on every count for Bono.)

PS - The first event I pulled up for him, just to spot check the chart, was the death of his mother from a stroke at his father's funeral - both parents dying almost at once, with the mother's death especially being a real shocker and affecting him powerfully. His Demi-Lunar Return a few days before had Pluto rising, Uranus exactly on Eastpoint, and natal at MC (all natal planets), all quite appropriate. While we would be inclined to accept the birth time as given simply because there was no reason not to trust the source, this chart does nothing to chase me away from it.

You give enough value to a Libra MC to alter a carefully stated birth time, even though statistics show that Midheaven and Ascendant sign expressions are weak. (I have to chuckle over one of the changes: For a Libra MC, one of the character traits that occurred so infrequently as to be statistically low is "poet." If we were to rely on the MC sign, we'd have to predict that Bono is not a poet. This would be quite wrong. Libra MC folks, as a rule, are also not travellers, not passionate, and not idealists - 100% on every count for Bono.)

PS - The first event I pulled up for him, just to spot check the chart, was the death of his mother from a stroke at his father's funeral - both parents dying almost at once, with the mother's death especially being a real shocker and affecting him powerfully. His Demi-Lunar Return a few days before had Pluto rising, Uranus exactly on Eastpoint, and natal at MC (all natal planets), all quite appropriate.

Bono was 14 when his mother died on 10 September 1974 after suffering a cerebral aneurysm at her father's funeral.

Jupiter Sets At Dawn wrote:

Arena wrote:You have stated yourself that we must observe the mundo aspects as well as ecliptic and that is what I do.
http://solunars.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t ... tes#p16147

That's not what that says. Is that the right quote?

especially knowing after giving birth to three children that staff at hospitals do not always think that the most important thing to do when the child enters the world is to write down the exact minute to make sure astrologers will be 100% sure to have the right info later on.

Having worked in labor and delivery, I can say for sure, a hospital birth, that's the time within a minute. Obstetricians are the doctors most likely to get sued, and lawyers love it when the nursing notes don't match the timeline. There is a nurse there, writing down every single thing and the time it happened.

Jim Eshelman wrote:Sorry if I wasn't clear on the mundane aspects.

I do think they need to be given identical weight in solar and lunar ingresses.

In natal charts, I remain agnostic. I gave some examples to suggest there might be something to look at, but I definitely remain agnostic on the question of their value in natal charts.

As a side note - just for discussion - I'm not sure that if these prove themselves in the horoscopes if highly successful people then they also must work n everyone's chart. There may be some factors - some layer - that only emerges as a characteristic of genius or eminence or success, etc. (Speaking entirely theoretically.) But that isn't a factor here, since Bono certainly qualifies for genius, eminence, and success!

Bono writes almost all U2 lyrics, frequently using religious, social, and political themes.

THE FOREGROUND is the area 10° of PV longitude either side of the angles, or 20° out of every quadrant.

Jim Eshelman wrote:

Arena wrote:And yes, actually that link is a speculation about mundane aspects and I thank you Jim for your explanation. As I understand you it is not something that has been researched enough to be sure how to look at the mundane aspects

Correct.

He has enjoyed great long term success and is very rich (sound like he has Jupiter working with him)

Saturn accumulates wealth - they hold onto it. In terms of acquiring it, the Saturn plus the Aries has the kind of business drive. But yes, he also has Jupiter going for him, since Moon is only 0°03' from sextile Jupiter.

About angular Sun - I thought that you consider a planet angular if it is within 10°from an angle? And actually his Sun is just about 10° from the IC, (9.26)

You can't measure foreground in the zodiac, though - only mundanely, i.e., in the Mundoscope. Sun is actually 26°38' from the IC (or 3°22' from the 3rd cusp), in the immediate background.

THE FOREGROUND is the area 10° of PV longitude either side of the angles, or 20° out of every quadrant.

Yes. "PV longitude" (Prime Vertical longitude) refers to the Mundoscope position.

Have you seen many cases for long term famous people having an angular Sun on either MC or IC and they do not necessarily come across as only egotistic, but are actually capable of being " warm, friendly, generous, sharing the light of their personalities with the world" in a generous non-egotistical ways?

I'd have to pull up a query, and create a pool to go back do a Mundoscope calculation on each - an hour or two of work. (I'm not overly interested in famous people's charts, though they make good examples when writing.) Yes, the very best - those with a true, emergent spiritual presence - are going to be like that, although, in another sense, there's necessarily the side of "it's all about them," i.e., the experience tends to be that they are the universe's gift to humanity and they must fulfill that in their giving. It's certainly fair to interpret Saturn rising and Sun in the immediate background as,. "It's about the work, not about him."

Anyway - I am the kind of student of astrology that keep my mind open to possibilities when I look at charts. I do not see them as a carved stone until I have looked very carefully into it.

The only problem I've seen from this is your tendency to (pretty routinely) doubt birth times. For decades, I've seen this as a direct path down the toilet.

Again I'd like to say that I am not arguing that his birth time is not correct - I just wouldn't believe blindly that it is the only possibility.

I think that if we are to be taken at all seriously, we need to blindly assume that given birth times are correct. Anything else is "fudging," makes us look to the outside world as if we're just making any rule we want - and, more importantly, loses us the chance to actually learn something, being surprised at how something turns out, going, "Oh's THAT'S how Saturn works," etc.

Jupiter Sets At Dawn wrote:

Arena wrote:JSAD, it seems like you live in the USA?
In most other countries people are not paranoid about being sued all the time... it happens on rare occasions, but I've noticed it very strong in the USA that people do actually think about this possibility on daily basis. That is not the norm in the world though to think like that. And even though this is the case in most cases today you do not know for a fact that this was the case in every hospital 50 yrs ago or 100 yrs ago with home births.

I know what the European standards were 50 years ago. I was one of the people working on improving the US standards. It was my job to know.

Birth is not usually an emergency, and doesn't cause a panic situation. Most people can glance at a clock and hold a time in their memory for several minutes. Anyone who can't should be sent to the kitchen to boil water or something.

The norm is most recorded times of birth in the US and Europe in the last 75 years are accurate and do not need to be rectified. That's true in most of the world. There are edge cases where it isn't, but they are just that - edge cases. There's a one in sixty chance of a birth time being on the hour, and one in ten chance of a birth time ending in a zero just going from the math. It's not a reason to doubt the accuracy of the time.

While most Europeans can't sue as easily, medical personnel can be fired or prosecuted far more easily than in the US. Our system of private lawsuits simply takes the place of some of the criminal system in most European countries. It's not a better system or a worse one. It's just different.

Jupiter Sets At Dawn wrote:

Arena wrote:JSAD, I wasn't talking about your criminal system, I was referring to the culture in USA of always being afraid that someone will sue you for something. This is not the culture in Europe. It might actually be explained by the USA chart - I don't know.

It likely wouldn't be explained by the USA chart, since it's not actually the culture here, just a good story to sell newspapers and stoke European pride. But I'm sure you'll prefer to check for yourself. The chart many of the people on this forum prefer is here: http://solunars.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=201