Posted Sun Jan 24, 2010 2:09 pm by StarAgeWiz
Recently had shoulder surgery which went well but recovery is slow and shoulder is very sore which required narcotic pain killers and lots of icing. The QLR occurred the day before the surgery 'event'. Tr. Mars 19CAN51 opp. Tr. Moon 18CAP57 (Natal Moon 18AI57) This transit symbolism is a good description of the surgery. At the actual time of the surgery Tr. Moon 9AQA30 conj. Natal Mars 11AQA34...Ouch!
Interestingly the QLR for birth place gives MC 17CAP40 bringing the Tr.Moon opp. Tr.Mars...
Angular + 1-2 deg. paran/sq natal Sun conj. ASC Angular -1 deg
Whereas this aspect is far off the angles for my locality QLR...here Tr. Jupiter conj. MC with Natal Mars although in the 10th house is +7 deg off the MC.
In this case birth place angles succeed with close angular MC/IC Tr. Moon opp. Tr. Mars........ key aspect.
Mike
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Re: Quarti_Lunar Shoulder Surgery
Posted Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:54 am by SteveS
I have occasionally seen where birth location angles for return charts offered ‘dead on’ symbolism verses the residence angles. This has puzzled me at times but I reconcile my puzzlement with the following statement by Bradley:
“There are ten transiting planets, and ten radical planets. There are five “Ptolemaic” or major aspects which transiting planets bodies can make with radix planets: the conjunction, sextile, square, trine, and opposition. This then, technically allows eight major aspects to occur between ten transiting and ten natal planets, which further means that, excluding even the Ascendant and Midheaven points, there are eighty vital points in the horoscope of birth which can be “touched off” by any of the ten transiting planets! Little wonder is it, therefore, that a trained astrological practitioner can find “indices” of anything that ever happens to an individual by comparing transits to a birthchart! It may astonish the student to learn that the odds are given that at any given moment a transiting planet is within 0deg27’ of a conjunction, square, or opposition, of a natal planet.”
Granted, the above quote may not exactly explain your personal experiences with birth location involving return angles; but by my personal experience, the residence angles for a return chart reflect the appropriate symbolism for events—but at times we get flukes which could be explained by Bradley’s above quote. Someone would have to show me dozens of return charts involving famous people with ‘outstanding incidents’ proving the birth location angles before I would seriously consider the birth angles win out over the residence angles.
Regards, Steve
I have occasionally seen where birth location angles for return charts offered ‘dead on’ symbolism verses the residence angles. This has puzzled me at times but I reconcile my puzzlement with the following statement by Bradley:
“There are ten transiting planets, and ten radical planets. There are five “Ptolemaic” or major aspects which transiting planets bodies can make with radix planets: the conjunction, sextile, square, trine, and opposition. This then, technically allows eight major aspects to occur between ten transiting and ten natal planets, which further means that, excluding even the Ascendant and Midheaven points, there are eighty vital points in the horoscope of birth which can be “touched off” by any of the ten transiting planets! Little wonder is it, therefore, that a trained astrological practitioner can find “indices” of anything that ever happens to an individual by comparing transits to a birthchart! It may astonish the student to learn that the odds are given that at any given moment a transiting planet is within 0deg27’ of a conjunction, square, or opposition, of a natal planet.”
Granted, the above quote may not exactly explain your personal experiences with birth location involving return angles; but by my personal experience, the residence angles for a return chart reflect the appropriate symbolism for events—but at times we get flukes which could be explained by Bradley’s above quote. Someone would have to show me dozens of return charts involving famous people with ‘outstanding incidents’ proving the birth location angles before I would seriously consider the birth angles win out over the residence angles.
Regards, Steve