SSR and pregnancy

[Freya]

Feb 25, 2016
I post here my best friend's charts. She was told that she couldn't get pregnant yet got pregnant by accident late in June 2015. She has a girl.

Here is the SSR in question

L-2014SSr.jpg

The Sun is foreground. There is a partile square between neptune-mars and a square between the moon and mars, as well as a trine jupiter-uranus
So far, unless I am mistaken, I wouldn't have guessed pregnancy from this SSR

The natal and 2014 SSR biwheel is more interesting

natal-ssr.jpg

SSR sun in partile conjunct the sun
SSr Sun partile opp moon
SSR moon partle sq Uranus
SSR moon sq Jupiter
SSr Mars partle conj n.Jupiter and n.Uranus
SSr Neptune partile sq Jupiter and partle sq Uranus

SSR sun and moon foreground the natal

Below is the quartisolar when she got pregnant shows Jupiter partile conjunct moon and uranus partile trine moon

The quartisolar and natal for when she got pregnant I find interesting

quarti-natal.jpg

natal saturn is conjunct MC, so it is foreground
T.Moon foreground MC
T. Jupiter conj MC
t.Saturn partle trine Moon
T.Mars squares the luminaries
T.Mars partile opp Neptune
The Luminaries have partile squares to one another


So there is plenty of good symbolism but also Saturn and Neptune and Mars involved. I thought more Venus symbolism would show up as she's pregnant with a girl. Also, is it common for Saturn to show up in pregnancy SSRs, as it represents responsibility?

[Freya]

The only formal study I know of this is Bradley's published study on Sidereal Lunar Returns for childbirth. Solars may behave similarly, but we only have substantial documentation for Lunars.

The results were that Moon and benefics (both natal and transiting) have a heavy tendency to be foreground for childbirth. Mars and Neptune (natal and transiting) tend to be back ground. Saturn is indifferent. (I'm going from memory.)

I've personally seen Mars present where surgical intervention is required. Since hospitals are tending to do C-sections almost routinely these days, I suspect a study of a few hundred current cases would show much more Mars.

Notice that these are for childbirth, not pregnancy. I don't know anyone who has ever studied pregnancy per se, only childbirth (which usually requires pregnancy <g>). In a few cases I've seen that stuck in my mind, Pluto on an angle was the main feature for conception.

[Freya]

Ebertin’s research into births showed Mars-Jupiter combo’s a-lot. My niece had a recent birth which showed Jupiter tight angular with a SLR partile aspected to Mars, or vice-versa, I am going my memory.

[Freya]

Until recently, not even 50 years, nobody mentioned getting pregnant till they were showing, usually about 5 months. Asking about problems getting pregnant would have been frowned on. Its unlikely that study could have been done when the childbirth study was done. It would also be more difficult because childbirth is usually officially recorded somewhere, while getting pregnant usually isn't.
Pregnancy studies would have all the same problems as conception studies. But if you want to try studying it, you could probably count back 38 weeks from the birth and if (and ONLY if) you have a large enough sample (several thousand) it would average out. 38 weeks is the count from conception, while 40 weeks is the count from the first day of the last period, in case anybody remembers how her doctor counted and it wasn't 38 weeks.

[Freya]

Thank you, I will start collecting data... I am interested to see if Saturn indicates responsibility (therefore it is not a bar to pregnancy) or whether it indicates difficulty in conceiving.... unfortunately I do not have enough data at the moment.