Solunars by Aldebaran Sidereal Academy

Posted Wed Nov 06, 2013 1:59 pm by Debbie
The space program has had 3 significant failures.

Launch Complex 34 where 3 astronauts were killed during a test of Apollo 1.
1-27-1967 6:31 pm Cape Canaveral, FL 28°29′20″N 80°34′40″W

Challenger Explosion.
1-28-1986 11:39 am East of Cape Canaveral

Columbia Crash
2-1-2003 8:59 am est Believed to have started at Nacogdoches in East Texas, 94w39 31n36.

Posted Wed Nov 06, 2013 2:19 pm by Jim Eshelman
Debbie wrote:
Challenger Explosion.
1-28-1986 11:39 am East of Cape Canaveral

Same time zone as Florida, yes? - By any chance are exact coordinates available for where? (I know it was close... but how close?(
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Posted Wed Nov 06, 2013 3:10 pm by Jupiter Sets At Dawn
The O ring failed at launch. Most of the travel was staight up. Setting charts for Cape Canaveral would seem reasonable. Might be worth seeing what the charts for Houston have to say about shock and grief.
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Posted Wed Nov 06, 2013 3:20 pm by DDonovanKinsolving
I have just emailed NASA for the latitude and longitude over which the break-up occurred. Expect a delay of a few weeks for the reply. I'll report immediately when it arrives.

-Derek
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Posted Wed Nov 06, 2013 3:27 pm by Jim Eshelman
Thanks, Derek.

Posted Fri Nov 08, 2013 6:23 pm by Jim Eshelman
Debbie wrote:
Launch Complex 34 where 3 astronauts were killed during a test of Apollo 1.
1-27-1967 6:31 pm Cape Canaveral, FL 28°29′20″N 80°34′40″W

Year: Capsolar
Uranus rising 1°32'
Saturn setting 2°07'
Pluto sq. MC 1°53'
(Moon setting 8°44')
Saturn opposite Uranus (mundo 0°30')

(For Washington, the same planets are involved - Pluto less so, and the contacts a little wider.)

Month: Caplunar
(Dormant.)

Week: Canlunar'
Mars sq. Asc 1°19'
Moon setting 2°20'
Jupiter setting 2°50'
Sun on EP 2°32'
Moon-Mars square 0°09'
Moon-Jupiter conjunction (mundo 0°30')

(For Washington, essentially the same put a little wider. Moon-Jupiter is closer mundanely, Mars' square to the Ascendant is wider. The Cape is better.)

Day: Capsolar
t. Uranus conj. Capsolar Asc 1°21'
For Washington, t. Saturn conj. Capsolar Desc 0°03'!

Day: Cansolar
t. Venus sq. CanQ Asc 1°20'
(For Washington, Venus is on the Capsolar MC as well as square the CanQ Asc.)

Posted Fri Nov 08, 2013 9:37 pm by Jim Eshelman
Debbie wrote:
Challenger Explosion.
1-28-1986 11:39 am East of Cape Canaveral

Year: Capsolar
(Dormant)
However, for the whole world (including the Cape), there was a Moon-Uranus square (1°20'), characteristic of explosions, surprises, etc.

Year: prior Cansolar
Also dormant!

Year: prior Libsolar
The October 17 Libsolar was the most operative solar ingress at the time. It had Mercury 0°02' from the Descendant, which "qualified" the ingress. The only other foreground planet was Pluto, 8°23' above the same angle. Mundanely, the Moon-Uranus conjunction was 0°08' wide for Cape Canaveral, though more than 2° wide ecliptically; i.e., the conjunction was distinctive to the location.

Month: Caplunar
(Dormant.)

Week: Canlunar
Neptune sq. Asc (1°10'), conj. IC (1°26'). (Oops!)

Day: Capsolar
Transits to Capsolar: t. Pluto conj. IC (0°44'), t. Sun sq. MC (0°24'), Sun-Pluto sq. 1°08', Su/Pl=MC (0°10'), t. Uranus sq. i. Moon (0°39').
CapQ: t. Jupiter on Dsc (0°11'), i. Jupiter sq. MC (0°17').

Day: Cansolar
(Nothing.)

Hour: Event
Ecliptically, Pluto is 0°35' from the Descendant. As much as it fits, I don't think we can count it. This isn't how angularity works (ecliptically), and we can't change the rules for a good-looking case.

However... we get the same effect a different way.

The Ascendant squares Mercury 0°37' (and the Sun 1°43'), making Mercury the one planet partile on an angle at the time of the event. In turn, Mercury squares Pluto within 1°12', Sun squares Pluto 1°08' on the other side, so that... you guessed it...

11°35' Capricorn - Mercury
12°12' Aries - Ascendant
12°45' Capricorn - Sun/Mercury midpoint
12°47' Libra - Pluto
13°55' Capricorn - Sun

Posted Sat Nov 09, 2013 2:38 am by Jim Eshelman
Debbie wrote:
Columbia Crash
2-1-2003 8:59 am est Believed to have started at Nacogdoches in East Texas, 94w39 31n36.

I've decided that the breakup point of 9:00:18 AM (8:00:18 CST) is the best time, and the most useful location would be Houston. If we can get the exact breakup coordinates at some point, that would be very interesting but, otherwise, is too speculative. Clearly an event was occurring in Houston at that moment, and it was marked by Mars and Uranus nearly atop the angles in mundane square.

Year: Capsolar
Uranus on IC 1°08'
Mars square MC 0°27'
Mars-Uranus square 1°53'
Moon-Pluto opposition 1°00'

Month: Caplunar
Venus on IC 0°13'
Saturn on MC 2°45'
Pluto on IC 5°56'
Venus-Saturn opposition 2°27'
Saturn-Pluto opposition 3°11' (mundo)
Ve/Pl=Sa 0°19' (mundo), 0°26' (eclipto)

Day: Capsolar
Transits to Capsolar: t. Uranus conj. IC 0°30'
CapQ: i. Pluto conj. EP 1°02', t. Pluto conj. EP 1°33', p. Moon conj. WP 0°17', i. Venus conj. Asc 1°31', p. Moon-Pluto op. 0°25'

Day: Cansolar
CanQ: p. Mars on Desc. 1°03'

Hour: Event
Mars 3°22' from MC, culminating exactly at 8:09 AM CST
Uranus 1°30' from Asc, culminating exactly at 8:07 AM CST
The Moon (4°51' above horizon) had risen at 7:38 AM CST

NOTE: The New Moon chart (the stalwart technique of Tropical mundane astrologers, and potentially valuable as an actual astronomical event) occurred a few hours earlier at 4:48 AM CST. For Houston, Mercury was on the Eastpoint unafflicted. The New Moon at 17°23' Capricorn was conjunct Neptune and opposite Jupiter (their midpoint being 17°12'). For Washington, the chart is remarkably similar, since Mercury was rising. The most we could tell is that some transportation event was going to occur.

Posted Mon Nov 11, 2013 5:45 pm by Debbie
Thanks Jim, the symbolism is amazing. I wondered if we would see a Jupiter contact in the Challenger explosion and there it is! I think I remember reading that Christa MacAuliffe had a Jupiter/Uranus contact at the time of the explosion.
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Posted Mon Nov 11, 2013 5:56 pm by Jim Eshelman
Why did you expect Jupiter?
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Posted Mon Nov 11, 2013 8:49 pm by Jupiter Sets At Dawn
From Astrodatabank:
Sharon Christa Corrigan McAuliffe
born on 2 September 1948 at 22:13 (= 10:13 PM )
Place Boston, Massachusetts, 42n22, 71w04
Timezone EDT h4w (is daylight saving time)
Data source BC/BR in hand

Natal Jupiter was indeed conjunct Transiting Uranus, 48 minutes apart and was partile, but not angular, in her Solar Return.

Transiting Mars was 1 degree 41 minutes off square with transiting Saturn.
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Tue Nov 12, 2013 12:07 pm by Debbie
Jim Eshelman wrote:
Why did you expect Jupiter?

Because I don't think like you do. The Jupiter symbolism showed an emphasis on "teacher" to me. The nation's mind was mourning not only the loss to the space program but the loss of a teacher.

I know I don't fully understand how to interpret these charts, Jupiter can be happiness or rainfall or maybe "singing in the rain".

Anyway, all I can say is that I expected Jupiter symbolism and it was there so maybe a teacher's strike would have it also.

Posted Tue Nov 12, 2013 12:50 pm by Jim Eshelman
Jupiter in mundane astrology is pretty simple most of the time: It means "really good things happen." (In other words, things that people, in the most simplistic way, thing are "good.") In that sense, it's a bit of a problem having it on the CapQ angle for the event... but I'll come back to that.

Debbie wrote:
I know I don't fully understand how to interpret these charts, Jupiter can be happiness or rainfall or maybe "singing in the rain".

Rain is thought of as a good thing. Admittedly (as in the Philippines this week) one can have "too much of a good thing." But it's meant to be Jove's blessing of what makes things grow and prosper, not ugly weather.

I didn't dwell on the Jupiter angularity too much because I try not to apologize or over-explain things that seem to be failures of the system. For a national tragedy, it is a conflict of symbolism for Jupiter to be present in any major chart. However - as an effort at explanation, not excusing - here are some exceptions to that.

First, one planet's presence doesn't make other planets go away. Jupiter doesn't protect against disaster if there are disaster planets working away. It does sometimes deflect or defer - slide an event to a different week etc., if there is a less beneficent week that meets all necessary criteria - but it won't "stop a bad thing from happening" (any more than "bad" planets will completely spoil a great party).

Second, if Jupiter isn't the most important planet, it often will characterize the circumstances of the tragic event. (I think this is what you're going for with the teacher theme.) For example, Jupiter prominent (especially in aspect with Neptune) for a major fire will usually mean that the event occurs at an entertainment venue (e.g., club), festival, or the like. It also shows when there are major religious themes (a fire started at a church, murders at a Sikh temple). Less specifically, it shows when there are strong ideological themes similar to religious themes (think of civil rights events such as Selma). An afflicted Jupiter, for example, also shows when there is a direct attack or assault aimed particularly at a political or other ideological system. These are typical context characteristics when Jupiter is not the primary force, but is more of an add-on or supplement.

In this case, it was the only planet angular for the single strongest and most reliable chart of the stack. My personal thoughts aren't too different from yours: I think it indicates the aura of national pride and aspiring hope that surrounded the event.

Posted Tue Nov 12, 2013 1:34 pm by Jim Eshelman
FYI, here is the current draft of my page on Jupiter angular in mundane astrology. It says substantially what the above says, but a bit more organized.

Jupiter speaks of victories, prosperity, and cause for celebration. It shines in events involving royalty, aristocracy, and diplomacy, and for events that fuel abundant national pride.

Jupiter shows major victories, e.g., military victories and major athletic competitions. In war and other warlike aggression, Jupiter rarely shows except for a victory (whether in a single battle or in the war). Jupiter also was prominent for every peace event examined.

Rainfall excesses coincide with Jupiter prominent.* This reaches from “above average precipitation” to record-breaking cloudbursts and flooding. In the same sense of abundance, we find Jupiter (particularly in combination with Neptune) signaling overflowing excess – not always with desirable consequences.** In an otherwise malignant series of charts, Jupiter often plays no role other than to mark the venue of an event as an entertainment or celebration setting.

Jupiter stands as an ideological force, motivating ideological and political positions. An afflicted prominent Jupiter often shows an assault against the prevailing paradigm, or ideological positions run rampant. A variation of this is its presence for events with a clear religious theme, or for inspirational movements (e.g., civil liberties movements).

Whereas Jupiter generally signals prosperity, an afflicted Jupiter coincides with economic damage, including destructive spending.

There is no category of destructive event (other than in relation to excessive rain) where Jupiter has emerged as prominent. (There are individual events, but not categories of destructive events.) Noticeably, Jupiter is absent from major fires (except for those at entertainment venues, celebrations, and other festivities), explosions, and vehicular collisions. In general, Jupiter signifies good events, not bad; however, it does not block bad things from happening. (One planet does not erase the effect of another.) It may deflect or defer a disaster, or ameliorate the effects, but will not block painful, destructive events.*** Most of the time when it is prominent for a destructive event, there are clear Jupiter themes related (entertainment or festivities, ideological assault, religious or inspirational themes, etc.).

* Technically, this has only been statistically substantiated in the Caplunar.

** I have seen multiple instances where Jupiter marked a building collapsing under its own weight. Considering that Jupiter has the greatest gravitational force of any planet in the solar system, and consistent with the theme of “bursting from stresses beyond its capacity” (which is easy to see in natal astrology, among those with strong Sun-Jupiter aspects in particular), this is worth investigating. I am planning a separate study of major building collapses.

*** A follow-up study is planned to examine more closely Jupiter’s role in event-displacement. Anecdotal evidence suggests that, much as a home burglar alarm will not prevent a burglary, but likely will displace it to the unalarmed house next door, Jupiter and Venus show the least likely times for a destructive event. However, if every house on the street is alarmed, a committed burglar likely will break into one of them anyway; and this seems (anecdotally) to analogize to Jupiter as well.

Posted Wed Nov 13, 2013 12:18 pm by Debbie
Jim Said:
In this case, it was the only planet angular for the single strongest and most reliable chart of the stack. My personal thoughts aren't too different from yours: I think it indicates the aura of national pride and aspiring hope that surrounded the event.

Well said, I remember how proud we were of a school teacher being so daring. I doubt a layman of any other occupation would have received as much admiration as she did. That's Jupiter.