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Combined PSSR Moons

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Combined PSSR Moons

Post Posted Mon May 12, 2014 7:10 pm by Debbie
While analyzing the family charts for the next 6 months I noted that on November 8, 2014 I will have progressed solar Moon conjunct progressed solar Pluto. On the same day, one of my sons has progressed solar Moon conjunct his natal Pluto by 2 minutes. My other son has progressed solar Moon one degree from his natal Saturn.
Even my husband has progressed solar Moon square solar Uranus which is conjunct solar progressed antivertex.

My first thought was losing my mother. She will be 93 and is more than ready to move on although she is still functioning ok. I do not have her birth time.

Has anyone had a similar situation where the whole family has these similar configurations? I know the progressed solar Moon is a great timing indicator but this is way too much for one family. I know something big and bad is coming and I kind of wish I didn't know. I will plan for it in any case.

I would be interested in any other possible manifestations of these aspects as I am a little concerned, to say the least.
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Post Posted Mon May 12, 2014 8:06 pm by Jim Eshelman

Debbie wrote:
While analyzing the family charts for the next 6 months I noted that on November 8, 2014 I will have progressed solar Moon conjunct progressed solar Pluto. On the same day, one of my sons has progressed solar Moon conjunct his natal Pluto by 2 minutes. My other son has progressed solar Moon one degree from his natal Saturn. Even my husband has progressed solar Moon square solar Uranus which is conjunct solar progressed antivertex.


This does appear to be something that is impacting the family as a unit. It is affecting each of you a little differently, of course, though the patterns are relatable.

You and your one son will experience this as a seperative event, something characterized by finality, which stuns the senses and halts the mind with intensity. Your other son will experience it primarily as a loss, sadness, burden, sacrifice. Your husband will experience it as something sudden, psychologically explosive and a revelation, with rapidly shifting conditions that require quick adaptation and reorientation, near learning, and new responses, and possibly is characterized by freedom in the end.
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Post Posted Tue May 13, 2014 6:54 am by FlorencedeZ.
" Has anyone had a similar situation where the whole family has these similar configurations? "

When my father (78yrs old) passed away on March 27 this year we had the following configurations in our family. His passing away was totally unexpected. He passed away after having been in intensive care for 13 days.
me : progressed solar Moon opposite p.Pluto square p.Uranus and p.Mercury. (it felt like my foundations were shaking)
husband : progressed solar Moon square r.Mercury. (communication, phone, driving etc)
my son : progressed solar Moon square p.Saturn and progressed solar Moon square r.Pluto. (it hit him hard emotionally)
my daughter : progressed solar moon square r.Uranus.
my brother : progressed solar Moon square p.Pluto.
(all partile aspects)

Debbie, I was a bit reluctant to post this and I have noticed that even when the progressed solar charts show certain things it doesn't mean it will always happen. For example during my 2012 Solar return I had tight angular Pluto contacts and nothing happened the whole year.
But I think indeed the above illustrates what happened quite well in our family.
Regards,
Florence
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Post Posted Tue May 13, 2014 10:06 am by SteveS
Good thread here which illustrates something Matthew Quellas, a Siderealist, taught me many years ago:

I like to see one of the ‘four Moons’ active in some way for major events.


These four Moons are:
1: Natal
2: Secondary Progressed Natal
3: SSR Moon
4: Secondary Progressed SSR Moon/ PSSR Moon.

“Active” includes partile aspects, particularly the 0,90,&180 and partile transits to these four Moons. These partile aspects can lay dormant and fire off with SLR’s or other layers of Sidereal Astrology. Pay close attention to these partile aspects involving Q angles when something important is happening in the environment or for unexpected incidents with Uranus involved. These four Moon’s involving partile aspects with Q angles can time a main event to the exact day of the partile hit to a Q angle.
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Post Posted Tue May 13, 2014 3:56 pm by Debbie
Thanks to everyone for your responses.

Jim,
Your explanation of how each of us will process whatever happens was enlightening and gave me some things to consider. On looking further I noted that my natal progressions show a Moon/Uranus square at the same time, giving me more information about the effects, possibly a sense of freedom at the end of the ordeal. Or, maybe I will be surprised that nothing happened, as Florence suggested.
The following year my return has a partile Moon/Saturn opposition coupled with a transit of Saturn opposed natal Moon. My stoicism will dissolve and the full emotional impact of the event will probably hit me then.

Florence,
I appreciate you sharing the contacts for your father's passing. My condolences to you and your family. I understand how hard it was to share this information as I struggled with bringing this up in a forum. If nothing comes from this set of progressions I will be surprised. My mother will receive the most loving attention for the next 6 months, regardless. She has lived with us for almost 9 years and we have had our problems, now is a time of complete reconciliation if possible. My current transits to and from Neptune will aid me in being more compassionate to everyone or at least give me the illusion that I am being compassionate.

Steve,
Your assistance is invaluable to me in learning sidereal techniques. I would not be on this forum if not for you. It is a safe place to express new ideas (hats off, Jim).
While calculating to find Moon partiles combined with angularity, I did find my NQ2 Moon on AC partile NQ2 Uranus on MC on Oct 30. This was mundane also.
I still get confused when to use mundane, which partiles on angles to consider (am I mixing apples and oranges?) and when charts are showing events or states of mind. I'm used to being able to process faster but Neptune and age are taking a toll.
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Post Posted Wed May 14, 2014 10:01 pm by SteveS
Debbie wrote:

I still get confused when to use mundane, which partiles on angles to consider…


For Q Charts use ecliptical crossings per Jim’s research verses mundane crossings. As far as my personal research, it confirms Jim’s research, planetary ecliptical Q crossing (which are actually partile conjunctions to Q angles) are the ones most likely to fire-off a Q Day incident/event—not mundane Q crossings. With Natal & Return Charts, I always check mundane planetary placements verses ecliptical planetary placements to the angles for true astronomical planetary distance to an angle, which is consistent with the teachings of the modern Fathers of Sidereal Astrology.

…and when charts are showing events or states of mind.


Sidereal Astrology charting always measures ‘states of minds’ and at certain times, depending on certain factors can foretell an event. Partile aspects involving our 4 Moons is a huge sidereal ‘factor’ for determining our ‘State of Mind,’ but it is good to remember some words by Fagan when endeavouring to predict ‘events.’

Everything depends on the psychological makeup of the native. All that an astrologer can truthfully predict is that with Jupiter in the foreground (angles), the native will be elated and happy. If the astrologer is sufficiently venturesome to prophesy the cause of the elation he deserts astrology for mere speculation. (Same applies to malefics in the foreground of the angles.)


Debbie wrote:

I'm used to being able to process faster but Neptune and age are taking a toll.



I can certailnly relate to this as I age.
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Post Posted Wed May 14, 2014 10:17 pm by Jim Eshelman
What Steve wrote is also my view. Here is how I wrote it in Sidereal Mundane Astrology.

Static Charts vs. Transits
Another distinction is drawn between (on the one hand) planets in a static chart – for example, planets within a natal horoscope or a specific ingress – and (on the other hand) planets transiting angles. These appear to be different types of phenomena, responding to different rules.

Within a Static Chart

Proximity to the horizon (Asc and Dsc) and meridian (MC and IC) needs to be measured mundanely. The optimal way to do this appears to be the mundoscope.

Ecliptical squares to the Ascendant and Midheaven are valid. As mentioned previously, these are ecliptical conjunctions with other angles. (We measure their mundane conjunctions differently.) In fact, these are very strong factors in Sidereal ingress charts.

Conjunctions with the Eastpoint-Westpoint must be measured in Right Ascension (RA). The EP and WP are on the horoscope only as markers to alert us to a possible equatorial aspect.

Transits to Ingress Angles

Transits to ingress or progressed ingress angles should be taken ecliptically. Despite the occasional exciting example to the contrary, this principle is borne out convincingly by the vast array of mundane events we have seen over time (including the hundreds presented in this book).

The exception is the Eastpoint axis, which, as mentioned above, is not an actual ecliptical point, but merely a marker alerting us to a possible RA contact.

Since these transiting aspects (both to ingress “natal” angles and their progressed angles) behave so differently, we might ask: Why? I have only conjecture, though it is a simple theory:

1. It makes sense that angularity within a static chart should be measured mundanely (since we actually want to answer the question, “At this moment, at this place, how close was the planet to the horizon or meridian?”).

2. However, once the chart exists, the angles appear to respond as ecliptical points – points in the zodiac susceptible to transit.

Theory aside, this distinction matches my experience, and it is important in this book not to present an overly complicated theory that allows too many exceptions or too large of a fudge factor. Therefore, I take the simple path of the most consistently supportable rules.

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Post Posted Sat May 17, 2014 6:38 am by SteveS
Hi Debbie,

Here are some salient details with your 2014 SSR and Nov 8th SLR which may or may not help you see more timing symbolism associated with your PSSR Moon partile conjunct your Solar Pluto in November. These salient points come from Jim’s Return Chart teachings except for what I will add about Ebertin’s research with your Nov. 8th SLR Caput (North Node). First, your 2014 SSR:

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1: Solar Neptune and its intrinsic symbolic meaning is the main theme for your 2014 solar year, tightly conjunct the West Point and in the immediate foreground of the DC.

2: Neptune receives partile 135 from solar Mars & partile 60 from solar Moon. Expect ‘outstanding incidents’ to manifest with the symbolism of these two partile aspects.

3: Natal Jupiter partile conjunct Solar West Point and partile conjunct Solar (transiting) Neptune. Another main theme aspect for the solar year.
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Post Posted Sat May 17, 2014 7:30 am by SteveS
Your Nov. 8th 2014 SLR:

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I selected your Nov 8th SLR for 4 main reasons:
1: From a family perspective you have noted Moon-Pluto symbolism happening in Nov.
2: Your Nov 8th SLR appears to indicate (maybe confirm) a malefic incident with Mars tightly conjunct IC receiving a partile 45 from Saturn. Mars is also tightly conjunct angular Pluto. Mars-Saturn-Pluto combinations are rough time periods.
3: Your Nov 8th SLR is the first SLR in your solar year when T. Neptune closes to a partile 90 with your Natal Moon. This could very well be the SLR which triggers/times the symbolism of your SSR into manifestation.
4: * Note your partile Moon-Neptune 90 forms a partile direct midpoint with North Node, with partile 135’s. Because of these partile aspects--this is a very potent midpoint structure. This is the only SLR in your 2014 solar year this Node partile direct midpoint is in effect. This is what Ebertin says from his book ‘Combination of Stellar Influences’ about the North Node:

Associations, blood-ties, kindred and related people.


Direct Midpoint of Moon-Neptune = North Node:

Associations with frail women.


IF Ebertin’s Node research (which I respect) is correct, this ‘frail woman’ would/could indicate high probability your PSSR Moon-Pluto contact in Nov is symbolizing possible intense emotions pertaining to your 93 old Mother, as you suspected. If this is the case, and you run into much confusion with Solar Neptune, I may be in a position to help with my recent past intense Pluto experience with caring for my ailing Mother before she passed away. Feel free to contact me.
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Post Posted Sat May 17, 2014 3:07 pm by Debbie
Steve,
Thank you for taking the time to look further into my chart and explain some things that I didn't see. With my current transits I have a lot of intuitive experiences but I cannot always rely on them. As you said, this will be a confusing time and it is nice to know that I can relate to someone who shares my belief in astrology and has been there.

Regards, Debbie
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Post Posted Sat May 17, 2014 5:53 pm by SteveS
Keep us informed Debbie for learning purposes with the manifestation of your PSSR Moon partile conjunct Solar Pluto.
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Post Posted Thu Oct 23, 2014 12:24 pm by Debbie

Debbie wrote:
While analyzing the family charts for the next 6 months I noted that on November 8, 2014 I will have progressed solar Moon conjunct progressed solar Pluto. On the same day, one of my sons has progressed solar Moon conjunct his natal Pluto by 2 minutes. My other son has progressed solar Moon one degree from his natal Saturn.
Even my husband has progressed solar Moon square solar Uranus which is conjunct solar progressed antivertex.



It has begun. The Moon is now partile waxing to Pluto. Two people I employ with home issues have left, one to retirement another to other obligations. But much worse, we lost a dear friend this week. He died suddenly of a massive heart attack and we will miss him very much. My husband had a different response than he normally does to bad news, much more philosophical.

I hope this is all that happens but we will wait and see.
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Post Posted Thu Oct 23, 2014 2:23 pm by SteveS
Debbie wrote:

He died suddenly of a massive heart attack and we will miss him very much.


Par-excellent symbolism for Pluto—‘stunning/shocking’ as per Bradley’s research. Thanks for keeping us informed with this Moon-Pluto hit.