Artists - Neptune angular?
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by Arena on Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:30 pm
In the light of the video I recently found on youtube about the Gauquelin data and the importance of Neptune in musicians and actors, that was not emphasized in their publishing - I want to post a few charts of known people in films, since films are like a "make believe" world - or another dimension to life in the arena of imagination. Although Neptune has a dark side of addiction and abuse, it also has another side of creative spirit.
I was just surprised that it was not published by Gauquelin, even though the data shows it peaking at the zones.
The first one that comes to my mind is Walt Disney - a life long dynasty of make believe.
The data I find for him is Dec. 5th 1901 at 00.35 in Chicago, USA.
Here is birth chart and mundoscope for that natal place.
And here is the relocated chart to Hollywood, or Burbank, California, where The Walt Disney Company has it's headquarters.
So as we see, the natal signature has Neptune as his most foreground planet, followed by the Pluto-Uranus opposition (note: which is square his VX axis).
When moving to Hollywood, his Mercury becomes prominent - and he goes into broadcasting. But his broadcasting is Neptunian as his natal signature. His Saturn-Jupiter conjunction is conjunct VX at relocation, hard working manager.
Excellent symbolism, but this one I think shows us that both charts deliver his success. The natal chart certainly shows the creativity and the "thank you lord" aspect of success and winning awards like he did. The relocated chart seems to help him deliver that by broadcasting/Mercury and hard work/Saturn-Jupiter.
Re: Artists - Neptune angular?
Postby Arena on Fri Jan 29, 2016 2:13 pm
Another HUGE make believe film maker that comes to my mind is George Lucas.
His birth data is stated May 14th, 1944 at 05:40 (am) in Modesto, CA, USA.
His natal signature has Venus, Mercury and Sun in the foreground, all around the ASC and all in Aries, followed by Mars in the wider foreground on IC. No Neptune prominent there. But both luminaries have a wide trine aspect to Neptune though.
Suddenly the tinypic website just crashed, so I can't post his chart right now.
Long before Lucas became obsessed with filmmaking, he wanted to be a race-car driver, and he spent most of his high school years racing on the underground circuit at fairgrounds and hanging out at garages.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Lucas
He went to Warner Bros, and he then founded his own company, Lucasfilm which is located in San Fransisco area.
I will assume he relocated to around there. His relocated chart does not change a lot from natal, his signature is that Venus-Mercury conjunction (good for art making and broadcasting) and his Sun (being in the spotlight/fame) and I guess we can not ignore that wider angular Mars since his films have been about WARS for the most part
Will post a few more when tinypic website is up and running again.
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Re: Artists - Neptune angular?
Postby SteveS on Fri Jan 29, 2016 3:37 pm
I know this: I was born with a Mercury-Neptune cnj living very close to a Theater (Films) and started working in the Theater Business when I was 6 years old making a full fledge life long career in the Theater business. The Film Business is very dear to my soul and with my Me-Nep cnj I can see how this aspect has manifested in my life. Also have had some experience with different types of mind altering drugs—but no additions except to astrology and the film business.
With all our modern knowledge and scientific equipment, and with the the great strides made in mathematics, we astrologers have done nothing to even remotely compare with the achievements of the astrologers of antiquity. Cyril Fagan
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Re: Artists - Neptune angular?
Postby Arena on Fri Jan 29, 2016 3:43 pm
The Gauquelin data showed Neptune in the zones also for musicians and actors.
Since I can't post their charts right now, I will just name a few.
Elvis Presley
Has a Venus-Pluto opposition on VX axis and has Neptune sq ASC and trine his Sun.
Sting
Has Moon-Neptune conjunction angular
Amy Winehouse
Has Pluto most angular, followed by Moon, Neptune conj. and Uranus, Jupiter conj. on the other side of DSC - both wider foreground, 7°.
Gene Hackman
Has Moon, Neptune and Jupiter angular.
Robert De Niro
Natal has Venus& Neptune on IC and Saturn on EP.
Relocated to Hollywood has Jupiter, Pluto on IC and Mars on ASC
Clint Eastwood
Has Neptune and Mercury angular.
Anthony Hopkins
Has a Jupiter-Pluto opposition angular at birth, which moves even closer to the opposite angles when relocating to Hollywood.
Although Neptune is not angular, he has his Moon square Neptune, so I add him to the list.
Brigitte Bardot
Has Moon angular in partile square to Neptune.
Sophia Loren
Has a Pluto, Jupiter, Uranus natal signature angular.
Relocated to Hollywood brings her Neptune-Venus conjunction close to EP.
Marilyn Monroe
Moon most angular, followed by Neptune and Venus in wider foreground.
Elizabeth Taylor
Natal Has Venus-Uranus conjunction as the closest angular on IC
Relocated to Hollywood, Neptune closest to angle (EP) followed by the Sun-Mercury conjunction widely foreground on DSC.
Her Sun is partile opposite Neptune.
Uma Thurman
Natal has Moon on WP, Neptune - Venus opp angular and Mercury as well.
Relocated to Hollywood puts Neptune on her Vx, Uranus on her IC
I wanted to find Michael's Jackson's birth data, but there seems to be no record of his birth hour. Do you have it by any chance?
...to be continued
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Re: Artists - Neptune angular?
Postby Arena on Fri Jan 29, 2016 3:48 pm
Thanks Steve
The stage and actors have also been connected to Jupiter - and you also have that one angular
There are of course actors and musicians that do not have Neptune prominent, but it should be noted when it is.
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Re: Artists - Neptune angular?
Postby Jim Eshelman on Fri Jan 29, 2016 3:59 pm
Arena wrote:
Elvis Presley
Has a Venus-Pluto opposition on VX axis and has Neptune sq ASC and trine his Sun.
I just want to mention that, since you are talking about Gauquelin sectors, nothing in this citation (Vertex connection, squares to Ascendant, or planet aspects) falls in these categories. Neptune would have been considered in a G-zone by one set of the definitions 9and not other), and Venus-Pluto would have been outside the plus zones.
But maybe I'm misunderstanding your purpose. As I read further, possibly you are only going for "strong Neptune ergie" in general, and not still addressing the interpretation of Gauquelin results that you found?
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Re: Artists - Neptune angular?
Postby Jim Eshelman on Fri Jan 29, 2016 4:12 pm
If it helps, here is a list of some people in various categories of the arts, plus a few traditional Neptune-themed fields, who have ecliptical conjunctions of Neptune to MC, IC, Asc, or Dsc within 3°. (That's trying to work inside the limitations of SF's search capabilities.)
Paul Ryan, Julian Assange, John Kerry, Frank Sinatra, Stevie Wonder, Audrey Hepburn, Bill Clinton, Cat Stevens, Clint Eastwood, Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis, Lee Harvey Oswald, Nadya Suleman, Paul McCartney, Richard H. Kaufman, Ringo Starr, Rudy Giuliani, Alice Cooper, Robert Altman, Martin Van Buren, Gerald Ford, Abraham Lincoln, Auguste Renoir, Mirka Mora, Morgan Russell, Paul Cezanne, Paul Klee, Renzo Piano, Rosaleen Norton, Tony Garnier, Maggie Bell, Debbie Boone, Stephanie Cole, David Frost, Jeremy Irons, Vivien Leigh, Ryan O'Neal, Patricia Routledge, Erik Satie, Billy Tipton, Tracey Ullman, Julie Walters, Dirk Bogarde, Jim Carrey, Hayley Mills, Marty Robbins, Victoria Tennant, Dakota Fanning, Burl Ives, Giuseppe Verdi, Charles Gounod, Juliette Drouet, Enrico Caruso, Keither Emerson, Vince Jones, (and I just realized the list I generated from SF would have me typing another five minutes, so I'll quit <g>).
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Re: Artists - Neptune angular?
Postby Arena on Fri Jan 29, 2016 4:37 pm
Thanks Jim
Well, I wanted to see if it would show up in those zones to start with, but then I noticed that Neptune is also otherwise related into arts, like through the VX, EP, and aspects to luminaries, so I just decided to add them.
But many do have Neptune angular though.
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Re: Artists - Neptune angular?
Postby Jim Eshelman on Fri Jan 29, 2016 4:51 pm
Arena wrote:
But many do have Neptune angular though.
The question, to match the original study, would be whether a sufficient number have it in a specific defined area, diversified across the range of all angles (or at least the MC/Asc).
For example, to get 100-to-1 odds against a chance occurrence we need to be outside 2.58 standard deviations from mean expectancy. Let's suppose we have a sample of 500 charts (selected by neutral criteria and all within a sufficiently narrow definition that it's a fair test of whether they have specific characteristics in common). Now let's suppose we have 20° zones of PV centered on the angles (10° either side - kinda wide, but it's an example), which is the comparable to Gauquelin's era of using 18 sectors around the wheel. If we look only at the 20° zone centered on MC and Asc, these would take up 40° of the 360° of the zodiac, or 1/9. Out of 500 charts, we would expect Neptune (or any other planet) to be in one of these two zones 500/9 or 56 times (55.5555555) by pure coincidence.
If it's more or less than about 56, how much more or less would it have to be to reach (say) hundred-to-one odds against chance occurrence? Well, for a probablility of 1/9, and for 500 samples, the standard deviation would be the square root of 500 times 1/9 times 8/9, or about 7 (7.027...). To hit .01 level (one in a hundred), multiply this by 2.58 to get 18.13. Add this to 55.55 (mean expected) to get 73.68.
So (drum roll), this neutrally selected sample of 500 people (narrowly defined as sharing a common distinction) had Neptune within 10° (in some preferred measuring circle such as Prime Vertical) of either MC or Asc at least 74 times, we would have a basis of saying something is going on... that the odds are slim that this is all coincidence.
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Re: Artists - Neptune angular?
Postby Arena on Fri Jan 29, 2016 5:11 pm
I know Jim, that of course it is best to have a huge data sample to work with.
Which is exactly what the astrologer did in his video and did show that Neptune is peaking in the Gauquelin sectors, but some peaks are for DSC and IC.
How well he did it,I don't know.
But here is the video again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofNkm2UNtH8
I just wanted to find a few well known musicians and actors with a prominent Neptune and share it in here.
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Re: Artists - Neptune angular?
Postby SteveS on Fri Jan 29, 2016 5:47 pm
Arena wrote:
The stage and actors have also been connected to Jupiter - and you also have that one angular.
Indeed. And this has played a huge role in my business life. Before the laws were changed, I was not allowed to see a movie before it opened in theaters, and had to contract movies on the basics of the popular actors staring in the movie. Also, back in my glory days in the business, once a year I got to go to national conventions and meet actors of the year. Neptune has a-lot to do with ‘imagination’ which imo has a lot to do with the ‘creative inspiration’ spirit—Walt Disney was a master of this spirit. Of course, the public going to movies has a-lot to do with escapism giving the mind a break from the doldrums of everyday life. I delighted in contracting entertaining movies for the general public. It was my job to put the best movies (actors) on the screen for the public. I booked movies for a small Theater company which had a limited amount of screens, and was paid for selecting the best entertaining movies available. I was born to do this job and I miss this creative outlet in my life now that I am retired. Never retire from something you enjoy doing.