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Jim Eshelman wrote:Venus' sign is a strong indicator, I think. (And there is no difference between men and women in this.)
Anna-Kria and I did a couple of workshops for singles back in the '70s, where we needed to provide an astrology-themed mixer to get people mingling (and, of course, looking at the question having sex with each other - that's what the "singles mixers" were all about). We decided to group people by their Sidereal Venus sign (without telling them what it was) and have them talk in their small groups about what memories arose when they considered each of their five senses in turn and think about what caused them pleasure. The results were both fun and funny, invariably linked to the sign. (One particularly humorous result was that we grouped Gemini and Virgo Venuses together because there were never enough of them for their own group. One time this Mercury-themed Venus sign group ran out of time because they spent most of the session creating a strategic approach to catalogue, itemize, and cross compare the results. It was a hoot!)
In terms of fetishes themselves, Venus sign and its corresponding body part seems the key. To tell a story on myself, I have Venus in Scorpio (ruling the neck and throat) and, especially as a young man, it was a drop-dead sucker for a woman in a choker collar. It just seemed the sexiest thing I could imagine in the moment.
There is a whole other body of knowledge on S&M in particular, but not too much particularized by fetishes other than the bondage tendencies of certain signs (e.g., Pisces plays out the Andromeda drama: chain that girl to the rock and let the big hero save her from the monster that rises up to devour her, etc.). Gary Duncan spent years with structured clinical-grade interviews of people on S&M dynamics, and I helped him with this for about a year. I included some of the results in an article in one of the issues of The Constellations in the mid-'70s on sexual patterns of the various Sun and Moon signs. (If anyone has that, feel free to transcribe it and post it here. My copy is in storage. I'm giving this permission as author.)
Jim Eshelman wrote:Fagan documented very well that these are flipped: Libra the head (where the organs of balance are), Scorpio throat, etc. (Sometimes they flip, there is a polarity thing going on.)Venus_Daily wrote:As far as body parts go, I thought that Scorpio had more to do with the genitals and Taurus with the cervical area
This even shows in early Egyptian references. For example, the patron goddess of Scorpio had a name that translates to, "She who relieves the windpipe." The original astrological glyph for Taurus (hieroglyph, really) is a phallus. And so on.
Are these rightly called fetishes? As far as I know (maybe there have been more modern clinical definitions I've missed?), fetishes anchor erotic attention on external objects, such as particular body parts or other objects.As well, what about fetishism as a pathology(peeping, rape, cross dressing to the point of delusion and victimization; etcetera)
Each of these would have their patterns, and some have been researched more than others. For example, we know far more about the charts of women who have been raped than we do of rapists, although certain aspects in rapists are known and documented from casual observation in the interpretation sections. Cross dressing used to be show up more dramatically, and now has become much more culturally routine - these days it doesn't take much to push over that line.
For many of these things, even if a particular form doesn't show clearly in the chart, what shows most is the degree of deviancy. (I use "deviancy" in a statistical sense, not a moral sense.) Sexual deviancy (taking actions and expressing behaviors significantly outside the social and statistical norm) is generally a mark of Venus or Mars (and, to a lesser extent, Moon) in close aspect with Uranus and/or Pluto. With these patterns strong in a chart you can expect (I see this with a friendly chuckle) some kind of queer!
Totally agreed, I wonder if the decline of "queer" symbolism in the astrological chart is similar to Garth Allen's theory on Pluto being the initial planet and Mercury being the last; the acceptance coming from mainstream media and religion of differently gendered and homosexual people seems like a shift from Pluto(barriers) to Neptune( the dissolution of barriers through acceptance and tolerance.) We will find out soon enough when the square between Pluto and Uranus dissipates next year; the sad thing is that Uranus/Pluto symbolism was seen 50 years ago during the civil rights movement, and America is still marked by an insidious and subconscious sense of racism. I know I am getting slightly off topic here, but I enjoy discussing the major planetary cycles between the outer-planets. Although I was only four point something years old at the time, I remember the Ryan White story premiering on ABC and how much controversy there was around that, it really served to destigmatize the AIDS epidemic and gay men in general, the Uranus/Pluto square made the AIDS more of a human disease instead of just gay men. It's really sad that that a young child had to be a catalyst for tolerance of a social group he did not even belong to.Cross dressing used to be show up more dramatically, and now has become much more culturally routine - these days it doesn't take much to push over that line.
Jim Eshelman wrote:Fascinating thought on the Pluto-to-Mercury thing.
I see the civil rights impact differently than you do on the current Uranus-Pluto cycle. Yes, I lament that it's still the issue that it is (just as I lament that large blocks of people in our society think that the need for a feminist revolution is past because equality has already manifest. Yeah, right! <sarcastically>)
Anyway, this current cycle has brought civil rights very much to the fore. The gay rights issue is the most obvious. But also, on issues of racism, I don't think we're seeing more new issues but, rather, another round of long-standing issues coming out of the woodwork. They are getting massive attention. The conversation has been enhanced and taken to different levels.
BTW, if you look at my upcoming Solar Return, you'll see why I totally laugh out loud at the idea that Uranus-Pluto is about to dissipate. It certainly isn't for me, personally, and the two planets will hit angles together in different latitudes for a few more years.