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Jupiter-Pluto in the SLR

Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 9:10 pm
by Venus_Daily
Mar 20, 2017
A stunning blow to economic conditions (even economic devastation).
No flights of the imagination are allowed... the harbinger of the end of the old and the beginning of a new cycle in the native's relationship to his career, his financial status, and the outside world. (Cf. the speedy coronation of new kings.) It is the marker of crises which make or break the native's reputation, by forcing grave issues out into the light of day, for all to see and judge.
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I know that everyone will be feeling the impending Jupiter/Pluto square, but right now, it looks as though both my mother and I have this symbolism exact and angular in both our kinetic and sidereal lunar returns.
Under Trump's proposed schema, the sector my mother is working in has been seeing a lot of cutbacks and general hysteria over funding. There is a lot of drama with the people my mother works with, and the main company sent someone to deal with the situation. The thing is, with the low wages, no one wants to work there, so there are talks about shutting the place down in case they can't find more cheap labor. Now, this is only speculation, but with all of the drama surrounding the place, I am a little worried.

Could Jupiter/Pluto angular in the lunar returns signify a turn for the worse as far as finances and employment go?

My Mother's SSR is kind of neutral with Jupiter/Uranus on the North and South point, Neptune barely in the foreground, and Moon/Square saturn, and Moon to a lesser extent conjoined to Venus.

Re: Jupiter-Pluto in the SLR

Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 9:10 pm
by Venus_Daily
Jupiter Sets At Dawn wrote:Venus, is your mother 1/30/1957 Alice Tx. 4:42 P.M. currently residing in Kingsville?
Could Jupiter/Pluto angular in the lunar returns signify a turn for the worse as far as finances and employment go?
I think it could. I think it would depend on what else was going on in the chart.

Re: Jupiter-Pluto in the SLR

Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 9:10 pm
by Venus_Daily
Yes, JSAD.

Re: Jupiter-Pluto in the SLR

Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 9:11 pm
by Venus_Daily
Jupiter Sets At Dawn wrote:OK, I went and looked. Jupiter is more than 4 and 3/4 degrees from Pluto, and I wouldn't call either of them angular so I wouldn't get too excited about it.
What I would find exciting is this, all from the current (Feb 24) lunar:
T Uranus 26 Pis 55
T Jupiter 27 Vir 38
T Asc 28 Gem 23

Re: Jupiter-Pluto in the SLR

Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 9:11 pm
by Venus_Daily
Jupiter Sets At Dawn wrote:Checked the upcoming Lunar (March 23) and T Pluto is 5° and T Jupiter is nearly 6° away from angular.
Unless the mundoscope is different?

Re: Jupiter-Pluto in the SLR

Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 9:13 pm
by Venus_Daily
JSAD, here's the chart for the 23rd
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In Mundo, Jupiter is 4 degrees away from the ASC
Pluto is 2 and a half degrees away
Mercury is about 3 degrees above the DSC.

Re: Jupiter-Pluto in the SLR

Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 9:13 pm
by Venus_Daily
Jupiter Sets At Dawn wrote:That doesn't include the natal planets. But I think it'll probably be a good thing, but more being singled out for something overwhelming.

Re: Jupiter-Pluto in the SLR

Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 9:14 pm
by Venus_Daily
Arena wrote:I am actually inclined to think the opposite to be true, that is Jupiter-Pluto aspect being positive in the way that it brings money to the person.

Many of the richest people in the world have that aspect in their natals. I am not sure why it should mean the opposite in a return chart.
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Re: Jupiter-Pluto in the SLR

Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 9:15 pm
by Venus_Daily
Well, the initial quotes were used from Jim's own interpretation of the planetary aspects using the return charts.

Re: Jupiter-Pluto in the SLR

Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 9:15 pm
by Venus_Daily
Jim Eshelman wrote:Jupiter-Pluto takes to the extreme of Jupiter. It can exorbitantly, unexpectedly lift one up to the greatest heights or, if one is already there, it can smash one down.

Think Nixon. Think Trump who currently has Pluto transiting is Jupiter and has been, beyond reasonable expectation, lifted up, and now has to make choices that will either sustain that or cause him to be savagely cast down.

It is a no going back, line in the sand, walk through the door to have a complete transformation of Jupiter themes.

The first quote you gave is from me in mundane astrology - lowest common denominator - Jupiter-to-Pluto mutually. The second is from Bradley.

Re: Jupiter-Pluto in the SLR

Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 9:16 pm
by Venus_Daily
Thank you, Jim.
Funny thing though, both my mother and I have been diagnosed with deadly Vitamin D deficiencies just yesterday. I am wondering, does Jupiter/Pluto have anything to do with regenerative capacities?

Re: Jupiter-Pluto in the SLR

Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 9:16 pm
by Venus_Daily
Jim Eshelman wrote:BTW, please note that using the / instead of hyphen means that you are talking about a midpoint. I corrected this in the title of the thread, but not in the posts. "Jupiter/Pluto" does not mean a Jupiter-Pluto aspect (which uses the hyphen) but, by international convention, means the Jupiter/Pluto midpoint. I'm pretty sure that's not what you meant.

On Vitamin D, the best answer is that nobody knows, If I were to guess, I'd say Vitamin D has most to do with the Sun. In terms of regeneration, yes, Jupiter-Pluto has been known to pull out miraculous recoveries - more likely in really severe matters that, in fact, need a miracle (since Pluto has almost nothing to do with ordinary, conventional, "within the odds" events). It also would be consistent with aid from expertise.

Re: Jupiter-Pluto in the SLR

Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 9:16 pm
by Venus_Daily
Jim Eshelman wrote:BTW, please note that using the / instead of hyphen means that you are talking about a midpoint. I corrected this in the title of the thread, but not in the posts. "Jupiter/Pluto" does not mean a Jupiter-Pluto aspect (which uses the hyphen) but, by international convention, means the Jupiter/Pluto midpoint. I'm pretty sure that's not what you meant.

On Vitamin D, the best answer is that nobody knows, If I were to guess, I'd say Vitamin D has most to do with the Sun. In terms of regeneration, yes, Jupiter-Pluto has been known to pull out miraculous recoveries - more likely in really severe matters that, in fact, need a miracle (since Pluto has almost nothing to do with ordinary, conventional, "within the odds" events). It also would be consistent with aid from expertise.
Thank You, Jim
Well, turns out, you were absolutely correct. My mother's hours at work were drastically reduced, and this time, it was not a drill or rumor. The silver lining is, though, that even with a little but o Vitamin D supplementation both of us are feeling dramatically better. I have been to dozens of doctors who could not figure out what was wrong with me. Even my most competent healthcare provider couldn't figure out what was wrong with me. I hate that our medical system is broken, and we're basically paying people to just humor us in regards to our health.

Re: Jupiter-Pluto in the SLR

Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 9:17 pm
by Venus_Daily
Mar 27, 2017
Sorry for the double post, but I wanted to relay an odd coincidence. I have not had the Sun on an angular or foreground since 2002 when my natal sun was 2-3 degrees away from the SR Zenith, which was at the exact same time I started noticing phantom symptoms that nearly drove me insane. A healthy vitamin D in the blood would be conducive to all of the traits or characteristics of having the sun angular or foreground including vitality. It's also quite coincidental that I would discover this right as my Secondary Progressed sun is coming to a square with my natal moon.
There are even studies linking Vitamin D to the spike in criminality (especially young murderers) after 1984.

Re: Jupiter-Pluto in the SLR

Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 9:17 pm
by Venus_Daily
Jim Eshelman wrote:This is fascinating. I assume you know that our primary source of Vitamin D is from exposure to sunlight. (Chemicals in our skin metabolize the vitamin. It always reminded me, in a sideways sort of way, to photosynthesis.)

Re: Jupiter-Pluto in the SLR

Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 9:18 pm
by Venus_Daily
Yes Jim, it's amazing.
The downside is that we have this abundant source of both spiritual and physical healing that we can use right outside for about 10-30 minutes a day, and we refuse to do so. Vitamin D deficiency or lack of sunlight has also been linked to Somali immigrants giving birth to children with autism. Somalis already have darker skin, which makes it harder to absorb vitamin D, and their women wrap themselves from head to toe avoiding sunlight. Somalis actually showing decreased incidence of autism back in Africa, which is self-explanatory.

Re: Jupiter-Pluto in the SLR

Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 9:18 pm
by Venus_Daily
Arena wrote:
Venus_Daily wrote:Sorry for the double post, but I wanted to relay an odd coincidence. I have not had the Sun on an angular or foreground since 2002 when my natal sun was 2-3 degrees away from the SR Zenith, which was at the exact same time I started noticing phantom symptoms that nearly drove me insane. A healthy vitamin D in the blood would be conducive to all of the traits or characteristics of having the sun angular or foreground including vitality. It's also quite coincidental that I would discover this right as my Secondary Progressed sun is coming to a square with my natal moon.
There are even studies linking Vitamin D to the spike in criminality (especially young murderers) after 1984.
There is a lot of research available on omega3 deficiency which is also vitamin D.
It has been linked to all kinds of nerve failures, such as ADHD, depression, anxiety and so on. I also remember one from a long time ago that found that violent offenders in prison lacked omega3.

I am still pretty sure that your mother's change of hours has nothing to do with Jup-Pluto. There might be Saturn aspects or something else causing that... but am pretty sure the Jup-Pluto will actually help her open up new doors which will be benefic to her life.

Re: Jupiter-Pluto in the SLR

Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 9:19 pm
by Venus_Daily
Thank you, Arena, I am always hopeful. I think that supplementing with the Vitamin D has actually made a huge difference, though.