Solunars by Aldebaran Sidereal Academy

Of course. You'll have some sort of Mars event, of course, but there's a whole range of these.

coolcoolwcr wrote: Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:13 pm I experienced several mars transit and my perception being that universe would lure you to some place or make you say something that could bring you under attack. It's like a temptation you couldn't resist and once you bend your will to it you are trapped and attacked.

There are several people here experimenting with relocation, either temporarily or permanently, to deal with difficult aspects. If you live where Mars is angular, moving might be something to look into. But I agree with Jim. You're going to experience some Mars event under a transit. It's just a question of what and how bad.

Watch out for the knives too. Slow down.
Let us know how it goes.

Don't let down your guard till the transit is over. But so far.

I have progressed natal sun conjunct (0:17) my natal mars today. I knew it. I have been impatient and abrupt all day, so I've tried to be cordial and ready to apologize. I had errands and decided to stop for a burger on the way home, as usual. I got to the drive through and the same style burger was $4.59 regular menu price but $5.79 on some kind of special. So I asked what the difference was. The clerk had me wait while she asked, and came back and said nobody there knew.
OK. Well I said I wanted the $4.59 burger. It rang up $5.99. I asked her to change it to the $4.59 burger and she said she couldn't change it. I asked if she knew it's illegal to advertise a price and then refuse to sell at that price. Nope, she didn't. Sounded like she thought I was nuts. (Maybe I am, but I am not wrong.) I said nevermind, and drove to a different place for my burger.
Then I came home and spent a good hour on the phone calling around to find out what law was being violated, and where to report the violation (got another couple people trying to tell me there is no such law, but it's 2016 Nebraska Code Chapter 87 TRADE PRACTICES; 87-302 Deceptive trade practices and I am not wrong. I finally got the right place to report it and for good measure, I also called the corporate headquarters, had to use three different numbers to find the right place, and reported the franchise.
I'm sure I've gone a little overboard on this, and I'm also sure I won't be going back to that restaurant anytime soon. But while this little fraud isn't that much per customer, spread over 300 customers a day, that's $450. Or spread over once a week for a month, that's $6 out of my pocket.
Me and my Sun-Mars transit say nope. Might be feeling a little Arian here.

Ah, TRANSITING Sun, lol. You said PROGRESSED in the first line, and I was going to mention that this one is a year coming and a year going in orb.

Sun-Mars does tend to fight for social justice.

Yeah, yeah, transiting, progressed, I'm in a hurry here.

Arrgh. I'm sitting here minding my own business and just tore a nail right down to the quick. I planned on just watching a little tv this evening rather than the fun with a chain saw I had planned (no, really I was gonna cut stuff up with a chain saw tonight. We had a big storm here Friday, with two tornados that ran into Bellevue) and I tore the nail on the TV remote.

Better a toenail than a foot. Dude, Mars and buzz saws do NOT mix well!

To me, and everything I have experienced, I do believe that there are some events that are fixed in this timeline, but those are usually huge events, which cause a fork in the road.

You're back!
We missed you. (I missed you.)

I think you're right, some things are easy to avoid, and some it might take upending your world and even then might not mitigate it entirely.

I've missed you, too JSAD

While I don't think we can avoid the effects of transits, long or short, I do think we can choose how we respond to them. Instead of Mars "causing you" to argue with your family, you can choose to go for a run and blow off some energy that way instead. (Or haul downed trees out of the elementary school yard and clean up the insulation the tornado braided into the fence and snowed into the grass.)
It's a learn as you go type thing for most people, but Jim used a recent Saturn transit to lose some weight.
Longer term transits and progressions take a little more work and thought over a longer time but it's more than possible to respond to them consciously as well.

Once in my life, I was a 1% stockholder in a small corporation. The only reason I was given 1% of this corporation was in order for the majority stockholders to elect me vice-president. I actually started working for this corporation when I was six years-old—cleaning-up the parking-lot of a Drive-Inn Theatre on the weekends for 50 cents each Sat, Sun, and Monday mornings. I was born next to this Drive-Inn Theatre. Anyway, I gradually worked my way to vice-president of this corporation. Then in 1985, this corporation was taken over by a majority of hostile stockholders because of depressing economic forces outside the control of the corporation. By this time, I had studied Astrology for 7 years and understood the malefic action of Mars. In fact, using Sidereal Astrology hindsight, when this corporation was taken over by hostile means, I had a SSR which featured Mundo Mars 1,02 cnj my SSR Dsc. After the hostile takeover, I was demoted from vice-president to secretary, but was elected Managing Director of the Corporation, in other words, I was elected as the person to hold the company together in a business sense. There were several special stockholder’s meetings after this hostile takeover. In one of these special meetings (these special meetings lasted, off and on, for 2 years), if memory is serving me, I noted I had t. Mars, very slow in motion partile cnj my n. Asc. I told myself: Under no circumstance engage with any stockholder with ANY conversation. In other words: Keep mouth shut! This particular meeting was mainly about the fired President (in meeting) embezzling capital from the corporation. The majority of stockholders voted to render a judgement in the next meeting—weather or not to legally prosecute the President. Right before the meeting was about to adjourn, I thought to myself: I have escaped this prominent Mars transit in a very hostile environment, but then the former President of the corporation asked to ‘have the floor’ (speak before the meeting). The former President stood-up and accuse me as the former vice-president of embezzling the capital. I had no choice but to defend myself in a verbal Mars manner and with my partile Moon 135 Mars in my Natal, I guarantee you I unleashed Mars in full force---another stockholder had to stand in between me and the former President to avoid blood being drawn with a vicious fight. Being conscious of Mars transits; sometimes we can walk away from the malefic Mars action with more healthy ways of releasing Mars—sometimes it is time to stand-up and fight to defend a personal Principle of the Mars situation. And then, we always have to consider how Mars is set-up in our Natal Charts. To fight, or, not to fight? Do the Heavens through our Natal Mars intend for the native to fight or not to fight? Now we are getting into the age-old debate with Astrology about ‘free choice.’ I had no choice about attending this stockholder’s meeting, but even if I chose not to attend this meeting, I would still have been accused of embezzlement. "Timing is Everything!" In this particular meeting--it was time for me to fight.

Jupiter Sets at Dawn wrote: Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:44 pm While I don't think we can avoid the effects of transits, long or short, I do think we can choose how we respond to them. Instead of Mars "causing you" to argue with your family, you can choose to go for a run and blow off some energy that way instead. (Or haul downed trees out of the elementary school yard and clean up the insulation the tornado braided into the fence and snowed into the grass.)
It's a learn as you go type thing for most people, but Jim used a recent Saturn transit to lose some weight.
Longer term transits and progressions take a little more work and thought over a longer time but it's more than possible to respond to them consciously as well.

Exactly. In my opinion JSAD is spot on.
Trying to pick and live the positive manifestations of the transits has always been beneficial to me with a bit of practice and awareness.
Currently I am undergoing a Saturn-Moon transit, a Mars-Saturn transit and a Mars-angle progression and whilst this isn't fun I try to make use of the Mars energy, working hard by being physically active and being able to use if for practical matters that fare well during this Saturn-Moon transit as I can pretty much concentrate and detach emotionally now.
I really consider this as one the best sides of Sidereal astrology. When I was a relative newcomer in 2012 I was scared of some transits coming. Nowadays I try to make better use of it by picking the manifestations of the transits and this has given me more confidence in my life so far.
Regards,
Flo

Flo, good to see you!

coolcoolwcr wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:48 am You people from upfloor say we can live up to positive manifestation of planets transit. I found this to be untrue , at least in my case.

Well, LOL, to state the obvious... the difference, then, is you. Your youth, your basic double Aries nature, and how you have lived your life collaborate to more impulsive, less reasoned, less reflective choices. It's all about choices. If, for example, you live more by impulse of the moment (I'm not saying you do, but it's an example that might fit), then you won't have that same reflective focus.

Today I experienced t.mars to n.neptune and today I help my friend cheat in math exam and added contents to my resume that verge on lying, to make it prettier so that I will be accepted by a potential employer.

That's a very interesting result of that aspect. I think it's a secondary result - how you handle psychological discomfort. The primary characteristic of Mars transits to Neptune most of the time is that all your psychological vulnerabilities are laid open, you feel vulnerable, you feel every impact more acutely as if lemon juice were being poured on an open cut instead of uncut skin. And Aries certainly does not want to feel vulnerable! I'm wondering, therefore, if you were feeling pressured (e.g., by esteem issues) and picked an option that made you feel less, and look in control , the spacemore? (Just speculating.)

In this transit and in earlier transit , I never get a chance to choose how to manifest it positively.

I disagree completely. Both results were your own actions. You were entirely in control. If you felt you never got a chance to choose, then that means you didn't give yourself any kind of pause or break to think about what you were doing before you did it. It's not like somebody pushed you out into a busy street against the light, and you got hit by a car; it's more like you walked all by yourself out into the street and got hit.

The key to having a stronger sense of control (something important to Aries) is to remember stop, take a breath, and think before actions, and to give your subconscious mind the opportunity to alert you to something that needs more attention.

Things simply happen to me and I have to react

Well, no, not really. We do react, more often than not, but one can learn new habits that have us pause, breathe, and think first. That's part of most people's experience of becoming an adult.

Those transit correspond to natural flow of my life.

The Mars-Neptune is a great example. That's not the natural flow of your life. It's your particular psychological patterning, habits, and defense mechanisms finding the fastest, smoothest path through the moment. Reflection and choice allow building new patterns.

Yet so far as I recall I never get to pick how to manifest them.

I get that you don't pick how to manifest them. I'm pretty sure you don't give yourself the opportunity, space, or time.

coolcoolwcr wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:48 am You people from upfloor say we can live up to positive manifestation of planets transit. I found this to be untrue , at least in my case.

Today I experienced t.mars to n.neptune and today I help my friend cheat in math exam and added contents to my resume that verge on lying, to make it prettier so that I will be accepted by a potential employer.

I help my friend because I can't let her down and I made untrue changes to resume so that I increase my chance to get a job.

In this transit and in earlier transit , I never get a chance to choose how to manifest it positively. Things simply happen to me and I have to react, according to my personality and my circumstance. Those transit correspond to natural flow of my life. Some event happen by chance and some by premeditation. Yet so far as I recall I never get to pick how to manifest them.

Now I have to conclude free will both exist and don't exist. It exist because you seem to have a choice, like for example in my case I could have refused to help my friend to cheat. It doesn't exist because your circumstance and personality had already made the choice for you.

I must agree with Flo and Jim, that I think we can indeed learn by experiences how to manage our transits.
But I must also make a note here that these actions of yours may not have to do with a Mars-Neptune, but rather to some Mercury related transit.

Transiting Pluto conjunct his natal Mercury is a degree and a half past partile, while transiting Mars is 12' before partile opposition to his natal Neptune with transiting Neptune 42' past partile. Mercury isn't angular transiting, progressed or natal. Arena can you be more specific about the Mercury influence you're seeing?

Jupiter Sets at Dawn wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:01 am Transiting Pluto conjunct his natal Mercury is a degree and a half past partile, while transiting Mars is 12' before partile opposition to his natal Neptune with transiting Neptune 42' past partile. Mercury isn't angular transiting, progressed or natal. Arena can you be more specific about the Mercury influence you're seeing?

Actually I hadn't even looked at his chart. I just said this from assessing his statements. They sounded like there was some Mercurian influence there, it was about cheating on exam and lying on his CV, those are Mercury related activities. The cheating and lying are Neptune related activities. Adding some Mars can give impulsive behaviour.

So now I took a look at his chart and I see that there was indeed a Mercury+Mars-Jup-Neptune formation in the sky which connects to his natal Mercury-Neptune aspect AND tr. Mercury had also just been opposite n. Uranus.
Makes me wonder if that Merc-Neptune natal aspect of his is possibly a tighter orb aspect in mundoscope AND if that tr. Mercury makes a tighter aspect with tr. Neptune in mundo at his location.

Mercury-Neptune has been associated with lying or not telling the truth.

T MERCURY - N NEPTUNE
Mind deals with fantasy better than fact. Foggy thinking, strange perceptions, fascination with the surreal, confused communications, metaphysical thought.

NEPTUNE aspecting Natal MERCURY
IN BRIEF: Imagination and sensation boggle the intellect. Communication and perceptual confusion from acutely sensitive senses. Fantasy blurs with fact. Judgment errors, poor logic, misplaced emphasis, easily misunderstood. Imaginative, intuitive, creative.

His pr. Mercury is also potentially partile sq. n. ASC. Interestingly it makes a partile aspect to pr. Jup and Uranus.

Arena wrote: Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:38 am Makes me wonder if that Merc-Neptune natal aspect of his is possibly a tighter orb aspect in mundoscope

The natal Mercury-Neptune is much wider mundanely - about 9° - though in the horoscope it's already a Class 1 ("close").

His pr. Mercury is also potentially partile sq. n. ASC. Interestingly it makes a partile aspect to pr. Jup and Uranus.

Progessed Uranus, yes. The rest are wider than you mention. Progressed Mercury-Jupiter is not partile (just under 2°), while progressed Mercury to natal Ascendant is 3° for what he insists is his correct birth time.

Thanks Jim.
So the ecliptic aspect is closer for Merc-Neptune. But when it is triggered by a few planets, it may possibly lead to impulse to lie and cheat.

The progressions as I see them are
pr. Mercury at Aries 14.21
pr. Jup at Gemini 16,15
pr. Ur at Sagi 14,23

...so yes, that pr. Jup is just under 2° orb.

I do not take birth time as being exact in this case. It can vary a few minutes forth or back.

coolcoolwcr wrote: Wed Jun 28, 2017 7:07 am Today I also had Sun to Jupiter transit. I attended a lunch party with my dad and some uncles at a restaurant. food was great. Probably this is sun Jupiter.

I agree Or, to state it differently, your enjoyment and appreciation were high for the food, the setting, and the circumstances.

And I also received a book I purchased online a few days ago. The book is not exactly what the sellers described . Some contents/pictures missing. When I bought the book seller said everything is intact though. I think he lied to me to sell it. And I think this is how Mercury Neptune transit manifested today.

I have no strong quibble with this, but want to point out that you're still interpreting these as if the power is outside of you. The basic meaning seems right, except that it says "my transit is something somebody else did to me." I would be more inclined to say that the Mercury-Neptune transit shows your disappointment, and other characteristics of your psychological state today. On another day, even with the same outward facts, you could look at the same events and have a different psychological reaction.

coolcoolwcr wrote: Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:50 am Now if you or anyone is already beyond the reactionary level of existence and came to higher state of being I humbly ask you to educate me on how you deliberately manifest any astrology transit according to your will. Because for me, astrology transit acts as outside demand and I just tried to react to it the best I can . I don't know why I want to deliberately act in a neptunian way because that is not in my character.

Mostly, the Great Secret about these skills comes not from techniques, but from fundamental changes you can make in yourself. Some of these come simply for maturation - adding a few years, experiencing yourself in different situations. Some of them require physical maturation, in the same way that sexual reproduction has the prerequisite as puberty, e.g., some forms of analytical thinking aren't neurologically possible until about age 25. Some of the changes can be accelerated by psychological or spiritual practices, e.g., six months of pranayama and building new habits of halting momentarily between impulse and action to make a choice,

Once you have undergone these changes, you will be making more conscious, non-reactive choices about your life. These don't necessarily get rid of reactivity, but they put you in a different psychological space in relation to it.

After that, it's all a bit of common sense and a little self-discipline, just being conscious and conscientious. For example (not a fabulous example, but good enough to make the point, today I have peaking both a longer-term factor and a couple of short-term factors).

First, the short term factor. Mercury today crosses my SSR Eastpoint and opposes my SSR Pluto. Expected manifestation: "Confrontation. Decisions are called due, perhaps commitments made. Need for unambiguous answers. Stress, irritability." Knowing this, I set my mind on a different tack, alerting myself that tense, confrontational communications are possible - forewarned is forearmed - and that I should be patient with people, watch my own tension level and relax into it. Picking an alternative expression, I set in my mind that I should let myself go into a state of wonder today, let my mind be blown a little, etc. - Since our office is having our annual Diversity Day celebration (and I'm on the committee) - and we have noted speakers, talking about the 25th anniversary of the race-driven LA riots in 1992, I do indeed expect to be challenged, engaged, have thought provoked, etc., all consistent with the aspect. I like this better than an argument

The longer term factor is that today is the exact day of SQ Moon square my natal Saturn. This has been about a month coming, about a month going. While it has been coming in, I've had health problems - an old medium-difficult problem reappeared, I treated it with standard, appropriate OTC medication and, unfortunately, this caused a second problem which was much more worrisome and potentially life-threatening (but correctible). One basic choice I had was whether to keep treating it myself, or go to a doctor. The easy road would have been to keep self-treating, especially since I had a bad attitude when my employer changed our medical plan two years ago. (It was to a reportedly much better plan, but different from the doctors and system I'd seen all of my adult life, so I grumbled and had managed not to use it over the last two years.)

So, as I said, the easy route would have been to stay stubborn, stay away from the doctor, and treat myself. The better choice was to go to the doctor and, in fact, I'd spent the prior two months getting the last details in place to use my insurance effectively. As a result, I spent a day aggressively seeing doctors, getting tests, being observed, and having the problems on the road to reversal. The aspect is exact today, and the only relate event so far is that I got the bills (which were negligible - almost free - but I have to go in and authorize payment). There could have been quite different results!

If I had very strong will power to avoid doing anything neptunian the day I believe I can do it. But it would hurt my friend's feeling and displease my dad.

Just to be clear: This is still a choice. I actually don't think this is your only choice. You set these circumstances in motion previously, and your previous actions were unfolding their consequences. Different earlier actions or decisions would have given a different set of options this week. Nonetheless, even starting where you found yourself this week, you see that you had a choice between these actions on the one hand, vs. letting down your friend or disappointing your dad on the other hand. I'm not saying your should have made a different choice. I'm only saying that you had at least one other choice you could have made in each case. Had you taken the other choices, you would have reported different outward events that were variations of the Mars-Neptune expression: "Today I let down a good friend, thinking I had to go back on a promise to him, and I disappointed my dad. How I feel about this is..." a different expression.

The past has led me to the day of transit and my reaction to it is predefined in a way.

Yes: Your previous choices set up the options and some other conditions this week.

No: This was not a predefined outcome. You still had at least one other option (and possibly more that I can't see). There is an important difference between not having options vs. not liking other options you have.

Just to clarify, I did not emphasize the progressions... I think these small events have more to do with your transits and I pointed out above how they are also Mercury-Neptune related.

coolcoolwcr wrote: Mon Jul 03, 2017 11:26 pm

Jim Eshelman wrote: Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:05 am I have no strong quibble with this, but want to point out that you're still interpreting these as if the power is outside of you.

Astrology transit certainly can trigger psychological emotions/reactions. But you never know whether a transit manifest on only psychological level only or on both psychology and real-life level. Trying to blame everything on personal psychology is simply brain-washing and discredit the integrity of astrology.

I would say, rather, that this IS the integrity of astrology.

Let me add, though, that you are the one who added the word "only." I think you are using "only psychological" to describe a situation where there is no event. Of course there are events. However, it's a wrong reading of the universe to think that these "events" are something outside of ourselves. Five people could pass through the same outward circumstances but experience them quite differently. The real event IS the psychological event, i.e., how we experience it. The matrix of things happening around us is just a tapestry on which we paint our experiences, I.e., things to happen around us but we're the one who ascribes meaning to them.

This doesn't even begin to get into the larger picture of our collaboration. We set up events (usually unconsciously) to bring about the right circumstance to trigger the experience our psyches crave. Bottom line: You are completely responsible for what happens in your life. Astrology is reflecting what your own psyche needs to experience, and a very deep part of you is setting up all the circumstances that let you have that experience. In a sense, nothing happens to you - it's just all you.

Sun-neptune and Mars-neptune indicate you have a lot of experience on inner-dimension or subconscious level of life so it is probably in your subjective experience a lot of astrology transit manifest on those inner-dimensions only. If this is true it's actually a good thing because you get to live a peaceful life outwardly with a lack of events.

There you go talking about my chart again, which I thought we were clear you weren't going to do anymore. You're spouting {bs} to take the pressure off yourself. Yourself is the only place your attention should be; but, then, you wouldn't be able to pick a fight and cause trouble if you did that, right? No, you exercise your bid for power by acting helpless in front of a universe - it's always somebody else's fault, right? (No, actually it's you going out of your way to pick fights.)

Yesterday I had t.mercury oppose n.saturn and was banned on an online chatgroup for 24 hours,

I totally understand. Notice, though, that this wasn't some event outside of yourself. This was a natural consequence of your own actions.

probably for my free style speaking pattern. This time my personal psychology plays a role here because I probably went too much out-spoken because of natal mercury pluto opposition.

I think you may find this is true in everything that you call an "event."

Uranus is only a few minutes from crossing your Midheaven, if your birth time is correct. Your psyche is yearning to be upset, dismantled, rearranged, surprised, startled. You are setting up circumstances to bring this about as far as possible. I suspect astrology will be a big part of this.

coolcoolwcr wrote: Tue Jul 04, 2017 3:34 am today Tmars opposed solar Pluto and I argued with my dad over a very trivial matter. I failed to escape this transit because I was not vigilant to transit on solar return chart. I am guilty of emphasizing natal transit too much and ignoring solar return transit. Guess I have to pay more attentoin to aolar transit next time

You still have Mercury opposite your Saturn, as well. You're concentrated on details, stubborn, inclined not to listen. devaluing input.

I agree that SSR transits require as much attention as natal transits. Good observation! And yes, this transit would stir your own contentiousness. With Mars to solar Pluto and Mercury to natal Saturn, and especially with your basic temperament, you're not too likely to give in and slide out from under an argument. I imagine you gave as good as you got, yes? ("Arguing about a very trivial matter" always means that both people are being very stubborn and contentious, otherwise the matter would pass in a sentence or two.)

Ancient mystical traditions say we are all one. But from the perspective of astrology it seems to me that we are all different permutations of the same astrological "stuff."

When it is time for crap to happen-it happens, and the techniques of Sidereal Astrology proves this with no doubt, but this is proven with people who are not conscious of a nasty 'outstanding incident' (aspect) in their future with Sidereal Astrology charts. So, imo, coolcoolwcr is asking can we astrologers prevent a nasty event occurring by being conscious of the nasty symbolized event showing on our charts in the near future. I have a real nasty coming-up in 2021 on my secondary progressed natal chart, and will later post the chart of this future symbolized event, and if I make it to 2021, I guarantee I will use my conscious being in the best way I can to prevent a nasty event in 2021.

And the main purpose I open this post, is to discuss the possibility of escaping from those negativity allocated to us by collective unconscious. So far I have tried a few times, yet did not get successful result. But it's just beginning, probably I will get better at this in future, or I will find in the end that escaping from bad transit is impossible.

I think that we can go through these nasty things in a different way if we are aware of them coming and if we can see what is coming afterwards.

I say this because I recently went through a difficult Saturn period and things got tough. But I know I dealt with that very differently because I could see what was coming up in my next SSR and progressions. If I had not known that I may have made very different decisions about my life. It did not prevent the bad period from happening, but it did mitigate its effects on me.

coolcoolwcr wrote: Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:57 pm

Jim Eshelman wrote: Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:16 am We set up events (usually unconsciously) to bring about the right circumstance to trigger the experience our psyches crave. Bottom line: You are completely responsible for what happens in your life. Astrology is reflecting what your own psyche needs to experience, and a very deep part of you is setting up all the circumstances that let you have that experience. In a sense, nothing happens to you - it's just all you.

What you said basically means if someone gets raped it's because her deeper psyche wants her to get raped and some guy got killed by accident it's just universe helping him fulfill a subconscious desire to die.

No. You're being too narrow, still confusing a concrete event with the experience. These extreme examples do indeed pose some of astrology's more uncomfortable questions, but they are hardly insoluble. Rape is a good example: The most common aspects for rape don't show rape itself but do show power struggles and being psychologically overwhelmed.

This is the real {bs} and brainwash.

There you go again. Warning #2.

I dont know why accidents and negative events happen to people but it's probably not their deeper psyche's fault.

I didn't say anything about "fault" (or "blame"), and was talking only about responsibility. And yes, it surely IS exactly that. There is no one else in the picture causing these events.

I am pretty sure you also experience negative events in your life, but can you admit it that it is all your fault(or your deeper psyche's fault which completely got out of your control)?

Yes, the few noteworthy negative events in my life have most definitely been traceable to my own actions - quite transparently so.

Probably what you want to say is collective psyche or collective unconscious (or even deeper, like universal/planetary psyche) to arrange negative/positive events to people, instead of my own deeper psyche plotting against myself.

I didn't saying "plotting against," and no, I didn't mean those things at all (except in the very vague sense that our individual psyches are all joined in deep subconsciousness, i.e., there's ultimately no separation of an individual psyche from the collective).

What you said is partially true. People can behave like bad aff and get caught for their bad behaviour, in which case certainly they should be held accountable. But bad things can also befall them without any wrongdoing on their part

You're still talking about blame and even punishment. You're still trying to put an objective value judgment on an event, rather than it just being something that happened, onto which each person involved placed their own valuation. Events themselves have no meaning; the people involved in the event assign meaning to them.

and this is where I want to look into and see if it's avoidable.

You will end up having an experience consistent with the symbolism of the planets involved. This isn't constrained to a particular event, or to a particular shading of experience, but it will be there. Yes, you can make choices that redirect how this unfolds.

Take my today, for example. Mars conjoined my progressed Moon, a quite potent transit. I managed to get through it with almost none of the classic adverse effects. Come to think of it, your frustrating and aggravating posts were the worst thing of the day. I had 10-14 minutes or so when my mate was aggravated because we had miscalculated timing and were going to be time pressed. I used the rest of it for an enthusiastic, exuberant delivery in a wine event we ran at a holiday party. There were half a dozen things that could have aggravated me and didn't, mostly because letting myself be rushed and pushed by circumstances all day sped things along and lubricated some possible rough spots. Mission accomplished.

When I had mars to Jupiter transit I experienced a stronger urge to spend my money, in this case I am responsible for shrinking of my wallet, supporting your argument. But when I experienced progressed moon to Saturn and fell ill thereof I can promise that no perceiveable part of my psyche wants myself fall ill and illness is unexpected and not my responsibility.

I don't believe that at all. Nearly all illness has psychosomatic roots, and Moon-Saturn aspects are well known for self-defeating and self-punishing choices.

The next major possible malefic cycle I have in my life begins in 2020 and continues into 2021. My PS-1 Natal Dsc will be partile cnj Natal Mars, a once in lifetime progression. At this same time t-Pluto will be partile 180 my Natal Mars, partile cnj my PS-1 Asc, also a once in lifetime transiting cycle involving my PS-1 horizon. I consider this cycle a potentially malefic cycle, particularly at age 72 and with my present concerning health issues due to aging. All I can do as an astrologer is be very conscious of this major life cycle mediating on achieving the positive possible symbolic manifestation of this major life cycle, and being very conscious with my actions concerning the malefic possibilities. Whether or not my conscious mediating about certain possible malefic manifestations with this major life cycle can limit any possible negative outcomes, who knows. As conscious astrologers about the malefic possibilities of potentially negative planetary cycles, we do our best.

coolcool wrote:

Since you have mars in 8th house this transit could manifest as an intense financial war. Disease is also possible. Good luck with that and take care of your health.

Excellent points! I am already thinking about a possible, very important, financial venture for this time period, and because this transit has the potential to manifest negative stuff, I will closely work with my lawyer, following his guidelines to the letter. If I see certain things line-up with the symbolism I am looking at with Sidereal Mundane Astrology in 2020-2021, i will execute a very conservative financial plan, endeavoring potential-- great things. But, this transit may time when I will have a major operation or kidney transplant, I have stage 3 CKD (chronic kidney disease), not as bad as it sounds, no big deal, I have 3 friends who have said they will donate me a kidney--if needed. Ebertin, from Combination of Stellar Influences says under Biological Correspondence about this combo:

The replacement of natural organs..

SteveS wrote: Fri Jul 07, 2017 7:37 am But, this transit may time when I will have a major operation or kidney transplant, I have stage 3 CKD (chronic kidney disease), not as bad as it sounds, no big deal,,,

This is part of your health profile I didn't know, Steve. I'm curious (if I may ask), is this consequent to the cardiovascular stuff you dealt with over the last year?

If anything, I'd say your chart leans toward unusually good look in the kidney department, the only major factor thematically related being Jupiter closely rising in Libra. I wouldn't think the tight trine from Mars would be enough of an affliction in the health sense to malign this, and Saturn is too far.

Cardiac (or cardiovascular) is a more vulnerable area with your non-foreground tight Sun-Uranus square. I might even anticipate blood clots in the lower extremities with an acutely background Mars in Gemini (thus a vulnerable area) or vulnerability in Scorpio parts of the body (ahem, I meant neck-throat <g>) from the inherent regional vulnerability of a Scorpio Moon; but the Sun-Uranus is most acute.

Yes, Pluto to Mars can definitely be surgical. I'd seen it for stress injuries (including physical strains and burn-out conditions), and then, in the late '70s or early '80s, talked to an astrologer and RN in the Phoenix area who had monitored patient hospital admissions. I'd idly mentioned something about Mars-Pluto in my lecture, so she was eager to tell me that the one thing that stood out - across the board, not particular to any specific categories - was the Mars-Pluto combination.

So yeah... not the only thing it could be, but a thing it could be. I had nothing like that 1980-81 when Pluto squared my Mars, but I was 26 at the time. I'm not sure I'll get off as easily in 2019-2020 (it's even on the SSR MC). The good news, of sorts, is that my previous SSR is far worst - the October 2018 SSR is one of the worst of my life ("devastating" is not too strong a word) - so at least the two don't coincide.

Anyway... keep those kidneys in good shape!

Jim wrote:

This is part of your health profile I didn't know, Steve. I'm curious (if I may ask), is this consequent to the cardiovascular stuff you dealt with over the last year?

The CKD was diagnosed after the ‘cardiovascular stuff’ which put me down. After the heart procedure, the doctors must do special blood tests, and this is when they discovered the CKD. All part of my t. Saturn partile cnj n Moon in 2016 SSR. My blood count related to CKD is 52, if it gets to 15, time for kidney dialysis, or transplant. My Doc says he thinks I have several more years before it gets to 15. My 2016 SSR has obviously timed these health problems of heart & kidney disease.

Anyway... keep those kidneys in good shape!

Believe me, I have altered my life style, but still having fun . Wide range of possible manifestations for Mars-Pluto combos, but you know I am very conscious to guard my actions during this combo. I can only hope for the best. Thanks for your thoughts Jim.

Keep being careful, and by the time you need it, the doctor will be able to print you a new kidney on a 3-D printer during surgery.

JSAD wrote:

Keep being careful, and by the time you need it, the doctor will be able to print you a new kidney on a 3-D printer during surgery.

Thanks JSAD. By my understanding with Doc, all I have to do is follow the blood work numbers with my CKD, in order to get better sense of timing for a possible major surgery. I will try to remember to posts these CKD numbers as they unfold.

Sorry to hear about your hand.

coolcoolwcr wrote: Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:14 am if forum admin happen to see these words can you explain why my deeper psyche arrange my finger bone to be hurt, for what psychosomatic purpose? probably i am too dumb to see the connection there. I even expected this transit to manifest as a fight with authority figure , like you. Do you think during the operation of the transit, if I argue with you on the forum, instead of going to basketball to have my bone hurt, I would intentionally manifest this transit in a less harmful way? I'd rather receive more warnings in this virtual world of online forum than have my real body parts hurt.

The first thing to see is that this arose from your own choices. It could have come in various ways, but it came because you decided to play basketball today. Notice this isn't blame, etc., it's just showing that events are natural consequences of your choices. (I wasn't there to watch, so I don't know if there was anything different about your playing etc. that contributed to this.)

To address your direct question: I don't know the subtleties of your psyche, but I do know (from your chart and getting to know you a little) that you like to hit life hard and hit back. I don't think getting your finger jammed was what you really wanted (though it could have been: we do bring about things that slow us down when the message we need to get from life is "Slow down! Stop!" etc.). I think the deeper self-expression was to hit life hard and, perhaps, get hit back hard. In that sense, the finger injury is an understandable side-effect of the real deep need to strike boldly.

What I most often see with Mars transits to Saturn is that something static needs to break apart or break loose. Sure, that can be something physical (and there are often physical consequences), but the strongest effects are psychologically. Places that we are stubborn or stuck, or where circumstances are holding us back or locking us in - due to exertion, these things can have break-throughs. I usually feel the worst part (to me) of Mars-to-Saturn in the few days approaching, so that the day itself is usually when things resolve - when I get the break-through. They are also days of exertion, stress, needing to mobilize great energy in the face of resistance, having my attitudes challenged and corrected by interactions, etc. My usual recommendation is to take a break on these days - cool out - handle things that come up directly and without avoidance - plan non-exertion leisure and don't be stressed if it doesn't work out that way.

Everything manifests in psychological ways. It's just that some things also manifest in physical results.

But the psychological is the root. It's where it all happens. Whatever pushes "astrological consequences" doesn't produce events. People produce events. Astrological factors show shifts in the psychological state of the person who is experiencing the event.

Mars-Saturn transits are not the same as Mars-Saturn natal aspects, no matter what house you're talking about. A Mars-Saturn natal aspect is forever, although moving, like Jim did, can change how you use it in your life. Mars transiting in aspect to your natal Saturn in your life happens every six months or so, while Saturn transiting in aspect to your natal Mars happens far less often, but lasts for far longer.

This Mars transiting in opposition to your natal Saturn was 5° from exact on July 7th, 3° on the 9th, within 1° on the 12th, partile on the 14th, then it will move out past 1°on the 15th, past 3° on the 18th and past 5°by the 22nd. If you're very observant and reflective, you may have noticed the influence as it started even before the 7th, but you're pretty young, so I wouldn't expect you have to consciously noticed anything till the 9th, and it wouldn't have been obvious to you till the 11th. On the 13th you felt the full force of it, resulting in you jamming your finger. (I hope it's feeling better.) You're still feeling the full effects through tomorrow, (it should start feeling better then if it still hurts a lot) and then it will diminish over the next few days and be nearly unnoticible by the 23rd.

This wasn't a pinpoint thing like a Moon transit. It built up, peaked, and now is slowly leaving. I'm not going to go over what that "means" because you can look up Mars transiting Saturn a hundred places on and off the internet, although most of them catastrophize. I just want to point out, this is a transit, not a natal aspect, and learning how it feels will help you in the future, because eventually, you're going to have a Mars progression aspecting your natal Saturn, and a Saturn transit to your natal Mars, as well as more Mars transits to natal Saturn and learning how to handle this transit will help you handle those. You don't want to jam your finger every six months or so, right? And you certainly don't want worse to happen. So learn how this feels, and how to handle it in your life.

This transit (a square) is going to happen again the first couple days of December, and the conjunction the first week of May next year; it'll come within 3° of conjunction the last week of August, so it will be mild, another partile square the second week of February 2019, and back to the opposition the end of June. You can look back to when this transit happened in the past as well, and see how it affected you in the past, and what you did about that. Then you can decide for yourself that next time it comes round, how you want to try to handle it.

The aspect will manifest in your life. You don't have a choice about that. The question is, how will you choose to express it? That's entirely under your control. If you don't choose to use it to break down a barrier in your psyche or maybe help a friend who's remodeling his house take down a wall, then you'll have some kind of accident and hurt your finger or break a toe or something. This is your choice, not to have the aspect or not, but how you allow the aspect to affect you in your life.

Does that help answer your question any?

Many, many Moons ago, I asked a high-grade psychic, the best way to ‘release’ (harmlessly) a negative Mars transit, and she told me to light a red candle and put glass in large metal container (I use a wheelbarrow) and break-it into many pieces with hammer. Make sure you wear thick gloves and protective glasses. Does this work? No way can be proven. She (psychic) told me—back in the old days—people were sacrificed to appease the gods—but breaking glass is much more humane today. This psychic wrote (self published & given to her clients) a book on many different ways to 'Release' different kinds of negative vibes.

I love it - A crash box! How to pick the outcome of a Mars transit? Violently destroy something (after picking something that is harmless to destroy, and finding a safe way to do it.)

Next time I have mars-saturn I will just break some glass cups, cheap and harmless

Hope it works for you with certain possible negative Mars transits.

I cloistered myself away from the physical world for a long time, and bad, good, and neutral things still found their way in. I finally learned that picking the manifestation was not effective for me, I had to learn to control the way I responded to most things. I still have a difficult time, but I learned that it's part of life.
I think Jim's explanation on the mechanics of astrology really helped me to stop obsessing over potentially negative events.

Today is an exact Mars-Uranus square in space at 3° Cancer-Aries. My natal Jupiter-Uranus and current SSR Ascendant are 3° Cancer, so Mars conjoins, and Uranus squares, my natal Jupiter-Uranus and SSR Asc.

Since Sun also squares my natal Neptune today, I'm less confident I can avoid an "oops" moment, so I have to be more actively attentive. Much of today, I'll be swapping out computer monitors - deploying some new 27" monitors for a few dozen people - so the chance of breaking something by accident is higher today than usual. Since Pluto simultaneously squares my natal Sun and current SSR MC, this is part of a larger picture that, for example, has both Pluto and Uranus (and now Mars) transiting SSR angles, and the same planets landing on my Sun-Jupiter-Uranus paran.

This could ne something excellent, though the Mars makes it seem to especially have a sense of crisis involved. Besides the equipment issue, a colleague atypically is acting belligerently to me this week, and I need to navigate that for a few days with a little extra grace and attention.

So I go into the day with the plan to be attentive, be careful, and bring a little more grace and patience.

Jim wrote:

Besides the equipment issue, a colleague atypically is acting belligerently to me this week, and I need to navigate that for a few days with a little extra grace and attention.

Maybe break some glass in a metal container for possible 'releasing' mechanism. Anyway, you are fully conscious of these aspects which could eliminate or diminish negative effects. Keep us informed.

This Mars-Uranus transiting square today is exact to my natal Pluto (03*31' Lib), SSR Mercury (03*43' Ari) and SSR MC (03*25' Cap). I'm in a general "am taking no BS" mood, but observant. Let's see what the day brings!

and the last SLR return of his life showed a close t.mars-pluto oppoosition, indicator of violence. he also had t.sun to n.pluto and t.mercury to n.saturn in this SLR, must have been a difficult month for him.

Yes, tough symbolism here.

coolcoolwcr wrote: Sun Jul 23, 2017 6:58 pm

Jim Eshelman wrote: Sun Jul 23, 2017 2:02 pm He was born March 20, 1970, in Phoenix, AZ and the best we can do at the moment is pick noon.

He was born on 1976 instead of 1970, i think you made a mistake there. puzzle solved.

Oops. Well, that makes all the difference in the world. Thanks for catching it.

I'll delete the former utterly wrong post.

coolcoolwcr wrote: Sat Jul 22, 2017 11:01 am singer from linken park Chester Bennington was found died of suicide on july 20th

he was born 1967/3/20, birth time unkown, i cant see obvious sign of suicide from his birthchart.

coolcoolwcr wrote: Sun Jul 23, 2017 6:58 pm

Jim Eshelman wrote: Sun Jul 23, 2017 2:02 pm He was born March 20, 1970, in Phoenix, AZ and the best we can do at the moment is pick noon.

He was born on 1976 instead of 1970, i think you made a mistake there. puzzle solved.

Puzzle continued. So was it 1967 or 1976?