Large Prize/Lottery Winners

[SteveS]

I have just come into contact with 3 sourced timed birth charts from the birth-certificates for large prize/lottery winners. Although, I never have read/owned her book, these timed natal’s come from Lois M. Rodden’s book, ‘Money: How to find it with Astrology.’ The amounts of money won were: $500,000, 13 million, & 27 million.
First the $500,000 prize: Fred (a police officer), Aug 11, 1929, 5:30 AM CST, Mobile, Alabama, 30N41,39, 088W02,35 (BC Sourced by Isaac Armstrong, in the April 1985 issue American Astrology Mag). At 3:30 PM, April 30, 1982, Fred while lunching, received a winning 500K prize ticket from McDonald’s Restaurant in Mobile, Alabama. I invite members to offer their analysis. On the surface, I see no distinguishing transits to Fred’s Natal Chart for this huge winning prize. His current SSR for this win featured n. Jupiter partile 90 SSR MC.
Fred's secondary progressed natal chart is most interesting:
Note: p. Sun partile 180 p Uranus, falling partile on East-West Point axis, p. MC partile cnj n. Venus. Excellent partile angular symbolism for this life changer (Uranus).
http://imgur.com/a/hAkAa
Fred’s daily Natal Q2 Quotidian Chart again shows the same angular symbolism, but on the Zenith-Nadir axis. Again, par-excellent symbolism for this one DAY which changed (Uranus) his life. to be continued.
http://imgur.com/a/N0aHv

[Jim Eshelman]

I didn't know Lois wrote that book, either. We were good friends for a decade or so, and this must have been later.

[SteveS]

Let us know what you find!

Yes, I have always wanted to analyze with Sidereal Astrology-- timed AA charts for mega prize/lottery winners.

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

Lois Rodden's Astro-Databank has data that will interest you. The files marked private aren't open to the public, so there's less there than it appears at first glance, but there's still quite a lot.

[SteveS]

Thanks JSAD, I will check it out.

[Jim Eshelman]

Following up on Steve's analysis and necessarily repeating here and there...

natal: August 11, 1929, 5:30 am CST, Mobile, AL
event: April 30, 1982, 3:30 pm CDT, Mobile, AL

TRANSITS:
t Uranus -135- r Pluto 53' (certainly life-changing)
t Saturn -45- r Neptune 57' (seems totally inappropriate)
t Jupiter -45- r Sun 49' (right on!)
t Sun -180- r Moon 06' (definitely a significant day with focused attention on him!)

That Saturn-Neptune may not be too out of the ballpark though, because we see even worse when we get to his SNQ... mixed messages, with something entirely Saturn-Neptune linked to his emotions. I imagine this has something to do with the circumstances. (More on that later.)

SOLAR RETURN
Yes, the main feature is natal Jupiter square SSR MC partile. The only other big feature is the less angular partile Venus-Neptune square, probably reflecting emotional states. (There was another Venus-Neptune partile square in space the day he won.) A "transit for the year" is Jupiter square his natal Venus 11', plus transiting Mercury conjunct natal Ascendant partile.

TRANSITS TO SSR have, foremost, t Uranus conjunct s Asc 0°02' at the time of the win!
SQ: Similarly, SQ Moon -45- s Uranus 55' for the win.

PSSR: We need to calculate this more carefully for contrast of Mean vs. Apparent solar rates. For the Mean rate (just using the PSN "user progressions" tool to estimate, transiting Jupiter is 1° off Ascendant.

SECONDARY PROGRESSIONS
As Steve mentioned, the big feature is a progressed Sun-Uranus opposition 06' which squares SNQ Ascendant partile. There is also a progressed Mercury-Pluto square 26', "beating the odds on the umbers / cards / whatever."

However, there is another pattern not compatible with the win that makes be wonder if this was one of those "miracle events that ruins your life." Notice:

29°38' Leo p Mars
0°23' Sag t Saturn
0°42' Pis p MC
1°08' Sag r Saturn
2°17' Sag t Neptune

Though minor, it seems we need to acknowledge p Sun -30- r Moon 0°01'.

Switching to "primary" angles (SA MC in longitude), progressed EP is exactly along the Sun-Uranus opposition! Furthermore, natal Venus is half a degree of progressed MC!

LUNAR RETURNS
The SLR is only a little impressive. It has natal Jupiter about 1° from Descendant, but also natal Mars-Saturn on the angles. No transiting planets of note, and the moderate-orbed Moon-Jupiter conjunction is background. Reading it in the original Fagan and Bradley style, we could, at most, say that Sun is on the 5th cusp for gambling, but it's afflicted there - closely opposite Saturn - so a house model doesn't speak well for the SLR.

However, this event occurred in the last half of the month, so we'd most expect it to show in the Demi-SLR. Indeed, I bet you can guess what planet dominates the Demi-SLR: Yes, Uranus is closely conjunct MC. Natal Sun exactly sets (partile), so we have another Uranus-Sun aspect, this time a Coangularity or paran of transiting Uranus to natal Sun exactly on the angles. Mercury squares Ascendant as well (and half a degree from his natal MC). Even the original approach works, since the main theme or context of the month is shown by a 2nd house Sun well aspected (opposite Jupiter 2°).

[SteveS]

Thanks Jim for your excellent detailed analysis.

t Jupiter -45- r Sun 49' (right on!).

I am showing t. Jupiter -75 r Sun 49’

Yes, I agree, somewhat of a mixed bag with all the techniques. I am wondering if he ran into problems getting paid the prize, but difficult to know for sure, it could be other things going on in his life associated with winning this huge amount of money--or something completely outside winning this prize. One thing for sure: 2-3 angular Uranus partile hits showing this huge life change.

[Jim Eshelman]

Agreed on Uranus. Thanks for catching the error, I read the sun as Leo for a moment instead of cancer.

I seen it since like this work well with converse techniques in the past. Maybe I should do another run through it with converse.

[SteveS]

Maybe I should do another run through it with converse.

Yes, we need to include converse runs. I fail to do converse runs but recognize em as a valid sidereal technique.

[SteveS]

Lottery winner of 13 Million: Ken, Jan 3, 1958 6:16 PM Seekonk, Massachusetts, 41N48,30, 071W20,15, Asc 11,53 Cancer. Source, Frances McEvoy quotes birth certificate.
A true Cinderella Story. Ken was a disabled truck driver who for the last 3 years had no job. His wife was working 2 jobs to make ends meet. On Nov 25, 1992 in Seekonk Ma, Ken purchased a weekly cask ticket paying at most 6,000, but the clerk mistakenly sold him a megabucks lottery ticket. On Dec 21, 1992 Ken was cleaning out his billfold and discovered (Uranus) the winning megabucks ticket. On Dec 22, Ken received his first payment of 6.5 million. His wife fainted twice when she saw the check for 6.5 mil.
Relevant transits for Dec 21: t. Uranus partile 135 n. Pluto (“Revolutionary” things), t. Jupiter partile cnj SSR West Point.
Natal Q2 (Daily chart, Dec 21): Uranus partile cnj East Point, partile 60 Q2 Moon (Emotional (Moon) excitement (Uranus)). Nov 25, 1992 Ennead Chart, Jupiter partile cnj Zenith.
The par-excellent Sidereal Astrology Chart, IMO, was Ken’s current 1992 SSR. Note: t. Uranus partile cnj his n. Sun (a once in lifetime Uranus transit). SSR Jupiter partile 120 SSR Uranus (Ebertin’s ‘Thank you Lord’ combo). Obviously, the dominating aspect of this SSR is a tight foreground of Moon-Sun-Uranus near SSR MC (SSR Moon partile cnj SSR MC), with SSR Sun-Uranus tight/partile 120 SSR Jupiter. Ebertin says about Sun-Uranus-Jupiter combo’s:

…A pleasant surprise creating joy.

As we witness in the first example in this topic, another prominent Uranus symbolizing a ‘Life Changer’ for Ken.
Ken’s 1992 SSR:
http://imgur.com/a/96pMa

[Jim Eshelman]

I redid Winner #1 by converse and decided not to even post the results. They were dismal. Mostly a lot of nothing and, when there was something, it was questionable symbolism. Even when there was something good and sharp, it was contradicted or weakened, e.g., converse Secondary Progressions had a 3' Moon-Jupiter opposition, but also a partile Sun-Saturn opposition.

A good example of converse not working well at all.

[Jim Eshelman]

As long as I'm testing alternate techniques, here is a good hit: In the Vimshottari Dasa system (as modified by Bradley to use 360-day "years"), Winner #1 was in a Jupiter subperiod of his Mercury major period - MERCURY-Jupiter. This period ran from August 14, 1981 to November 8, 1983.

[Jim Eshelman]

Winner #2, Ken

Birth: January 3, 1958, 6:16 PM, Seekonk, MA
Event: December 21, 1992, no time given, Seekonk, MA

TRANSITS:
t Neptune sqq. r Pluto +24'
t Uranus sqq. r Pluto -31' [midpoint Pl=Ur/Ne < 4']
t Mars sqq. r Mars +18'

SECONDARY PROGRESSIONS:
p Moon sex. r Mars 21'
p Mercury conj. p Venus 54', square p Jupiter 24'
p Sun tr. r Moon 31'
p Neptune ssq r Saturn 0°00' [can't ignore this one, though slow]
Other small aspects.

The SNQ2 seems quite poor, though. For noon, we get a transiting Venus-Saturn conjunction (16') exactly square SNQ MC. (Natal Moon also squares it, and is not in partile orb of the two transiting planets). This is boosted more because transiting Sun semi-squares the Venus-Saturn. At least, for surprise, there is progressed EP on natal Uranus; but the others make it look like a heart-breaking surprise. (His wife was OK, I assume, after fainting?)

But there is one fabulous "single him out from the millions" aspect: t Pluto is semi-square progressed Moon 11'.

Switching to primary angles (SA MC in longitude), nothing new is added. Q1 variant of SNQ also adds nothing.

SOLAR RETURN:
Covered by Steve quite thoroughly, including the Jupiter transit to an angle for the event; and the Ennead was a good catch (besides the exactly angular Jupiter, Venus is rising also).

The SQ had p Moon sextile Pluto 16' for a "singling out" miracle. Nothing on the angles, though.

LUNAR RETURN:
Not a good chart, with Saturn square MC and Pluto square Ascendant. And the Demi a few hours away wasn't any better, since the Venus-Saturn conjunction was closely setting (Saturn half a degree from Dsc).

Either the charts are bad (except that SSR) or there is, again, something critical we don't know. If you'd said his wife had a heart attack, these would all make sense, but I'm assuming her fainting was not a serious injury or anything to bring him deep emotional sadness or loss in the face of $13 million.

[SteveS]

No other details were given about his wife or his disabled condition. It appears his SSR rules the primary symbolism with this life-changing event.

[SteveS]

Before I get into the analysis of the next lottery winner (27 Million), I want to point out something I see as a common theme which makes par-excellent symbolic sense, but understand, I have only analyzed 3 prize/lottery winners, so far. The common theme for these 3 prize/lottery winners is t. Uranus partile 135 n. Pluto for sudden (Uranus) shock (Pluto). Also, there are other prominent Uranus & Pluto symbolism combo with other planets for all 3 winners. Jim teaches us prominent Pluto symbolism represents events which ‘stuns the senses,’ and obviously, winning millions is going to absolutely stun/shock one’s senses. We can’t really choose how prominent Uranus-Pluto symbolism is going to manifest in our lives, but if you are going to ‘choose’ when to purchase lottery tickets, why not purchase them with prominent Uranus and/or Pluto symbolism combined with your personal points-- Moon, Sun, Angles. I wish we had dozens of AA timed charts for huge lottery winners where Jim could do his statistical analysis, but for now we can only rely on our common sense for what we are seeing with these few charts. I will eventually get into JSAD’s link to other large lottery winners.

[SteveS]

A husband wife team won a 27 Million lottery on Dec 13, 1991 in Boston, Massachusetts. I will start with the husband’s charts, he was a carpenter by trade.
James: 12/31/1954, 12:52 AM, Boston, Massachusetts, 42N21,30, 071W03,37, Asc: 28,12 Virgo. Sourced by Francis McEvoy quoting birth certificate.
Partile transits to Natal:
t. Ur 135 n. Pl 0,33 (Sudden shock, life changing)
t. Jupiter 45 n. Neptune 0,39 (“…gain without effort”—Ebertin)
t. Ur cnj n. Mercury 0,17 (Mental excitement)
A couple of malefic combos. Obviously, we can’t interpret these two in the traditional malefic manner, unless there are some malefic circumstances not known. We must always remember: Planetary symbolism manifests pertaining to our immediate living environment.
t. Saturn 45 n. Moon 0,17 (Ebertin’s “Principle: Self-control”)—makes sense.
t. Saturn 45 n. Mars 0,54 (?) I guess, maybe, ‘overcoming difficulties’ associated with huge amount of $ coming into his life.)
Current 1990 SSR, and WOW, I just discovered another dominant theme in all 3 of these huge $ winners. *Note his SSR Uranus partile cnj his Natal Sun. According to Jim’s SSR teachings, this partile cnj is ‘locked’ in to his entire solar year, which covers this huge win. So, we see prominent Sun-Uranus symbolism for all 3 winners, once in a lifetime Sun-Uranus partile combos. Note also: foreground SSR Moon partile 135 SSR Pluto (his emotional ‘senses’ were ‘stunned’). Also noted: Mundo SSR Moon tight 180 to SSR Sun-Uranus cnj. SSR Venus partile 90 SSR MC, but Venus cnj SSR Saturn, don’t know why this Venus-Saturn is highlighted.
His 1990 SSR: to be continued with other noted Sidereal Astrology charts.
http://imgur.com/a/ebGAD

[Jim Eshelman]

LOL, I'd been thinking, "Gee, with Uranus now square my natal Jupiter-Uranus, which are exactly on my SSR Ascendant, maybe I should buy some lottery tickets; but no, Saturn is also square my Moon, it would be a waste of however few dollars I spent."

If nothing else, all of these Saturn transits in your examples are telling me, "Don't be so hasty to discount your Jupiter-Uranus-Uranus."

Of course, I have the worst gambler's chart I ever recall seeing...

[Danica]

And I've been thinking: transiting Uranus to my natal Pluto now - maybe I should buy some lottery ticket

[SteveS]

I have never purchased a lottery ticket in my life, the odds are so astronomically high for winning, but someone has to win these megabucks. When mega bucks gets into the multi-millions, my wife makes me drive her to the Georgia State line to purchase her tickets The idea dream situation: Advertise through Social Media (free) and hope it goes viral for people to enter their Birth Data into a Social Computer (specialized Sidereal Astrology program) to calculate the ones who have "once in lifetime" Uranus partile 0, 180 transits to their p. n. Sun's. Then have the Computer to screen for Uranus-Pluto contacts to their personal points for other Sidereal Astrology charts. Then have the Computer form a syndicate of screen passers controlled by a national CPA firm. Each person who passed the screen for "once in lifetime" Uranus transits to their Sun's with other Uranus-Pluto partile hits send 5 dollars to the CPA firm to purchase State lottery tickets on a weekly basis for mega bucks. Then, any syndicated winners splits any weekly winnings, with the CPA firm taking 10% of winnings. You get the picture...

[SteveS]

Continuing James 27 Million lottery winner with other Sidereal Astrology techniques:
t. Jupiter partile cnj Solar Quotidian (SQ) Zenith. Excellent example for a progressed SSR to the exact day of the event.
Below is link to James 12/13/1991 DSLR (180), the day for winning 27 Mil. Note DSLR Moon partile cnj Dsc and DSLR Jupiter partile cnj East Point, for emotional Joy/Happiness. Also note: Jupiter tightly trine Uranus (Ebertin’s ‘Thank You Lord Combo’) and Neptune (Ebertin’s ‘Gain without effort’). A superb example for a Demi (180) SLR.
http://imgur.com/a/aues7

[Jim Eshelman]

For Winner #3 (James), looking to see if I have anything to add...

Birth: December 31, 1954, 0:52 AM EST, Boston, MA
Event: December 13, 1991, no time given, Boston, MA

TRANSITS:
t Uranus conj. r Mercury 17', sqq. r Pluto 33'
t Saturn ssq. r Moon 13', r Mars 51'
t Jupiter ssq. r Neptune 39'

Have you noticed how active the 45 and 135 aspects are in these? I don't think there's anything distinctive to them for these events, but I mention it because this series of charts is a striking set of examples showing that these are valid aspects in transits. Our Sidereal forbearers ignored and, in some cases, dismissed these aspects, and it took the second generation of Siderealists (influenced heavily by the works of Reinhold Ebertin) to make them routine considerations. (I consider Ebertin an honorary Siderealist forbearer: His mode of thinking and approach to astrology are entirely consistent with the Fagan-Bradley team mode of thinking. He outlived both Fagan and Bradley, and I wish they'd undertaken a more direct communication with him.)

Steve covered the transits quite well. (I wouldn't have rendered Jupiter-Neptune "gain without effort" despite Ebertin, but maybe more of "likely to gamble" and "inclined to prayer" <g>; more seriously, it has a history of given people a "slate wiped clean" feeling of a clean start, eradication of monetary or emotional debt, etc., which surely occurred).

SECONDARY PROGRESSIONS:
Pretty boring. A few aspects with a compatible tone, but not close and not decisively exciting. Perhaps worst of all, the only SNQ (Q2) angular crossing is EP conjunct natal Saturn. Even the primary angles (SA MC in longitude) have either nothing angular, or the natal and progressed Saturn straddling Ascendant with their midpoint 04' from the angle. (The Q1 doesn't improve things. At best, it has natal Sun in non-partile conjunction with Q IC)

PSN:
Progressed Mercury-Saturn square (52') doesn't fit. A progressed Jupiter-Saturn trine (14') went on for many years and isn't distinctive to this event, but also shows more working for your money than winning it.

However, progressed Sun square natal Venus 47' and opposite progressed (-29') and natal (+31') Pluto fits quite well, the Pluto aspects being 0°01' from exact by midpoint.

SOLAR RETURN:
In the simplest form, the SSR doesn't have much to say on its face; but I echo Steve's excitement at the partile Sun-Uranus conjunction (11'), which we've been seeing in the earlier examples. Also another that has recurred: SSR Moon-Pluto sesqui-square (48'). To win the lottery, it seems, you need the excitement and life-changing power of Uranus, and the beat-the-odds and stun-the-mind power of Pluto. (Interestingly, so far it has been specifically Uranus-Pluto, Sun-Uranus, and Moon-Pluto - going from memory instead of looking back).

The Sun-Uranus is even foreground, being < 9° below Ascendant. Mundanely, Moon's opposition to Sun-Uranus is closer than it is ecliptically. And we get a little foreground Mercury (6° above Asc), and a lot of Venus (as Steve observed).

Steve commented that Venus squares MC partile, but was perhaps compromised by being conjunct Saturn. I disagree that this is a factor, because: (1) Venus is angular by partile square to MC, but Saturn is even beyond 2°, so no angular Saturn. (2) Venus-Saturn conjunction isn't partile, so not worth any attention if it isn't foreground/angular. It's a non-entity IMO.

SOLAR QUOTIDIAN:
Steve already caught this one: Transiting Jupiter square SQ Ascendant. (Depending on time of day that he learned he won, there may have been a Moon-Jupiter opposition in space on this angle.) Nothing else is angular. I have to give some credit to the 05' trine of SQ Moon to Pluto, and this occurs with SQ Moon (RA 111°25') on SSR WP (111°29').

LUNAR RETURN:
The November 16 SLR has Uranus culminating square Venus near Descendant, all on his natal Sun. What a happy thrill!

Steve, I think you miscalculated the Demi-Lunar. Moon was nearly returned to natal Moon on the winning day, so the Demi occurred November 29, two weeks earlier. It is much the same as the SLR, with Uranus rising (half a degree, and conjunct his natal Sun-Mercury) - in fact, a Uranus-Neptune conjunction closely rising. Bizarrely, though, it has one of those Saturn zingers, since transiting Saturn was 0°05' from EP.

Ah, but what you gave as the Demi was in fact the incoming new SLR, that occurred at the very end of December 13 (and I always see lunars bleeding into effect 24 hours ahead of time). This is, indeed, a striking chart with Jupiter partile conjunct EP, Moon closely setting square Sun on IC, and more. I count this as solidly in effect. Mundanely, Jupiter's square to the Mercury-Mars conjunction is much tighter, and I think there is little doubt he went on a spending spree!

(An aside: Do you think all this recurring Saturn is that these people all, on the spot, paid the single largest amount of income tax they'd ever pay in their life? It's one thing to win $27 million in a single day, but it's another to pay $6-9 million in income tax on the spot! )

ANLUNARS & KINETIC LUNARS
It's worth mentioning that neither the Anlunar nor Demi-Anlunar, nor the recent Kinetic Lunar, had anything useful to say. Even when we see a slight tip in the right direction, it's contradicted by something else, with nothing very strong.

DASAS:
The effects weren't so pronounced this time - rather neutral, in fact. The win occurred in a Moon bhukti of a Mercury dasa, which ran from February 1991 to July 1992.

[Venus_Daily]

I looked up the tert. progressed and few of them seemed to be active with tert. Jupiter on the ASC and tert. progressed Moon cnj. Jupiter.

This is rather odd, I would expect to see Jupiter/Uranus transit to transit in these charts, but maybe it's a sign that these winners were not under some intense financial pressure, which they tried very, very hard to break.
My SSR is very similar, but in place of Uranus, I have Neptune opposing Sun and Uranus ssq to the Sun, and a medium strength Jupiter to Uranus aspect in the foreground.

Progression to progressions for me are practically dead with p. Venus to p. Saturn and p. Sun to n. Moon, with n. Jupiter coming to the p. DSC and solar arc Dsc.

My Lunar return for 9/29/17 seems to be almost like a fairy tale with an excact conjunction between Moon/Pluto on the MC with an almost exact Uranus/Jupiter just three degrees away from my n. Pluto and 2 deegres away from the Lunar Asc/Dsc Axis. Also, the Jupiter/Uranus opposition is partile ssq my natal Sun. The Uranus/Jupiter is also exactly on the SSR ASC/DSC axis.

Do the progressions and Uranus tr. Sun have to be in place to at least win something in the realm of 40-50 grand?

That's the only thing missing in my chart is a Mercury to Pluto progression and a Uranus to Sun in the SSR.

Or would Neptune opposite Sun in the SSR be as bad as playing the Lottery with a Saturn to Moon or Saturn to Sun.

Sorry, forgot to add, September 29th, the exact day of my KSLR is also the day my period/subperiod changes from Sun-Venus to Moon-Moon.

[SteveS]

Venus wrote:

I looked up the tert. progressed and few of them seemed to be active with tert. Jupiter on the ASC and tert. progressed Moon cnj. Jupiter.

Excellent observation Venus—par-excellent symbolism for these huge winning events. BTW, glad to see you back.
Venus wrote:

This is rather odd, I would expect to see Jupiter/Uranus transit to transit in these charts, but maybe it's a sign that these winners were not under some intense financial pressure, which they tried very, very hard to break.

Yes, this is understandable and a good point. Today, I analyzed my forth large lottery winner and it’s full of ‘once in lifetime’ angular Jupiter-Uranus hits (‘Thank You Lord’ combo’s). It could be, in the following case, the native, who was another policeman, was a very religious person, hence, when he won—he prayed and ‘Thanked the Lord’—there is no way we will ever understand the full psychological make-up for each individual winner. So far, one thing for sure: These huge winners are under some type of ‘once in a lifetime’ transit/angular hits. I am guessing these winners played the lottery on a regular basis, which means—playing the lottery was part of their life psychic, or, part of their every-day normal life. Take a look at the chart below for a 1 million winner. We really don’t need to look further than the transits to his Natal Angles (Inside chart—natal chart, outside chart-transits for the event). The 1 million winner was experiencing a transiting Jupiter (Setting)-Uranus (IC) Paran, indeed, a ‘once in lifetime’ Jupiter-Uranus Paran to his n. angles. to be continued with more prominent Jupiter-Uranus hits.
Rodden Rating AA
http://imgur.com/a/7sr3S

[SteveS]

Continuing the 1 Million Canadian lottery winner with secondary progressed natal chart: Note p. Uranus partile cnj p. MC, a once in lifetime progression. Note this Uranus partile 120 p. Moon partile cnj n. Venus. Also p. Mars partile cnj p. Asc, a p. Mars- p. Uranus paran, another once in a lifetime progressed partile angular hit. Also note p. Jupiter tight cnj n. MC, another once in lifetime p. angular hit, offering another angular combo of Jupiter-Uranus.
http://imgur.com/a/gecqa

[Venus_Daily]

Thanks a bunch Steve, for these prime examples. It really gives me hope, since the transiting Uranus/Jupiter, in September, will be exact on my SSR angles. I'm going to play the lottery and maybe some scratch offs, hopefully, I get something that exact day.
It's also nice to hear from you and everyone else Steve, I get a warmer reception here than with my own family.

[SteveS]

Venus wrote:

I get a warmer reception here than with my own family.

I understand Venus. Take your next SSR and play scratch-offs/lottery from Sept 27-Oct 1. This is when t. Jupiter is partile 180 your SSR Uranus & t. Uranus, and partile cnj your SSR Asc. We could consider this a 'once in lifetime' SSR where t. Jupiter will Paran SSR Uranus and t. Uranus. I wish you the best of luck. My wife has a Sept SLR beginning Sept 5 with much benefic action indicated. I will try to remember to post in 'outstanding incident' SLR.

[Arena]

Did you check for local parans possibly being activated?
Did you check the mundoscopes planetary positions and transits to the natal mundoscope?

[Arena]

...and did you check their POF points?

[SteveS]

Arena wrote and asked:

Did you check for local parans possibly being activated?
Did you check the mundoscopes planetary positions and transits to the natal mundoscope?
...and did you check their POF points?

Nope, Maria only asked about her next SSR, which is linked below. As we can see, soon after her 2017 SSR, she receives a transiting Jupiter Paran to her SSR Uranus, exciting Ebertin's 'Thank You Lord' Combo, probably the only transiting Jupiter paran to SSR Uranus she will ever experience in her SSR life. I will later check all her SSR's to see if this is so.

http://imgur.com/a/VKwqi

[Arena]

No, I meant for those real winners, not forum members

I myself have a rare triple jup-ur symbolism in my charts along with Pluto... so according to this I should maybe try some lottery as well. Maybe when analysis here is final, we can run a live experiment since some members actually do have Uranus-Pluto symbolism happening now or soon.

Added: my aspects are
Tr Jup to n. Ur,
Tr Ur to n. Jup and Pluto
SSR Jup-Ur aspect (wider)
Tr Pluto to n. MC

[SteveS]

Arena wrote:

No, I meant for those real winners, not forum members

Sorry Arena, I misunderstood your questions, I thought you meant for Venus. All I know so far with my research into this topic issue-- these large prize/lottery winners are experiencing once in a lifetime partile transits and partile progressions to their personal points--Moon-Sun-& angles. If you see a situation like this in your life, hell yes, buy some lottery tickets in a recreational manner. Of course, we all know the odds are tremendously stacked against us for winning a huge $ lottery, but we never know for sure about our futures. We are serious astrologers--we should always use our knowledge with astrology to help in the quality of our lives and family.

[Venus_Daily]

...and did you check their POF points?

You know, I didn't check any of the parts, but I did check my natal midpoints, and sure enough, the Jupiter/Uranus aspect is in one degree square of my natal Sun/Uranus midpoint, It's also aspecting my SSR Moon/Saturn midpoint by square, so who knows.
The thing that I dislike is the speculation, but if it's meant to be, it's mean to be, I guess. If it's not meant to be, I have no idea why the universe would align things just so I can learn about astrology and this possible opportunity.

[SteveS]

Here is a 1.7 Million lottery winner, and it was not symbolized by a ‘once in lifetime’ transit or progression. The par-excellent planetary symbolism is shown with the current SSR & SLR.
Rodden Rating: Birth data for AA 1.7 Million winner, 4/4/1932, 3:00 AM, Detroit, Michigan, 42,N20, 83W03, Asc: 3,21 Cap. The native won this lottery on 9/12/1984 in Washington DC.
First link: 1984 SSR for Washington DC. Note the angular, foreground rotation square of SSR Venus (MC) and Jupiter (DSC).
http://imgur.com/a/jRC7P
Second link: Sept 10, 1984 SLR, 2 days before the big win. Note: This SLR actually duplicates the same Venus-Jupiter angular rotational square in the SSR. In other words, the SLR timed when the main Venus-Jupiter symbolism fired-off with the 1984 SSR. Our good colleague Donald Bradley from his book Solar and Lunar Returns says when Venus-Jupiter are both angular in a Return chart:

When these two benefics are prominently related in the return chart, the native is carried aloft on a magic carpet of enthusiasm. Affairs run harmoniously, the native receives gifts, and bubbles over with carefree exuberance, and enjoys general “good luck.” The native may be the winner of a contest or drawing if the Moon is involved.

QSSR featured a rotational square of angular Moon-Jupiter. For the quotidian Day Chart timed to the exact day of this win, Q1 Jupiter partile cnj Q1 Asc, partile 90 Q1 Mercury. In the stack of Sidereal Astrology charts, the 1984 SSR and Sept 10 SLR are clearly the dominating charts with their angular Venus-Jupiter symbolism.
Sept 10, 1984 SLR for DC:
http://imgur.com/a/sgVgB

[Jim Eshelman]

Birth: April 4, 1932, 3:00 AM, Detroit, MI
Event: September 12, 1984, hour unknown, Washington, DC

TRANSITS (using noon):
t Neptune sqq. r Jupiter 18'
-- t Saturn sq. r Jupiter 46' [makes for a bad Jupiter state!]
t Uranus sqq. r Mercury 07'
t Jupiter sq. r Saturn 46' [then this flips Jupiter-Saturn the other way around]
t Venus op. r Sun 58' ["happy day" aspect]
t Moon conjo9ned his Sun late morning, don't know if anything "singled him out" at that time

SECONDARY PROGRESSIONS:
p Sun sq. p Neptune 02' [r. Neptune 23']
p Mercury sq. p Jupiter 36' [big win aspect]
p Jupiter op. r EP 43'

Adding the SNQ angles, we only get natal Moon angular.

Going to primary angles (SA MC in long), we get a lot of happiness!
p MC op. p Venus 09'
t Venus sq. p MC 39', sq. p Venus 30'
p Asc conj. r Mercury 08'

Checking Q1 variant, we get quite a good result!
p Asc conj. O Jupiter 40', SQ. p Mercury 02'
[I just saw that Steve listed the same one at the end.]

So far... though only minimal "beat the odds" symbolism... we mostly have an indication of an incredibly good day.

SOLAR RETURN:
Jupiter on Dsc 0°23'
Venus on MC 4°16'
Sun sq. Asc 2°19'
Neptune on Dsc 8°43'
Moon-Pluto op. 1°10' in mundo
t Venus conj. r Moon 0°14' (r Moon comparably foreground)

First link: 1984 SSR for Washington DC. Note the angular, foreground rotation square of SSR Venus (MC) and Jupiter (DSC).

Are you using "rotation square" to mean paran or co-angularity? (I've asked you that before, and I forgot what you said. I think you're the only person I've ever seen use that term, but that seems to mean what you mean: An angular mundane square, yes?)

There are no transits to the SSR.

SQ: Transiting Mercury is close to the MC, though not partile. Nothing else jumps out.

PSSR: I only did an estimated one, but it has MC 19° Virgo, putting transiting Venus on MC. (It has been the best, most reliable planet so far for this event.)

LUNAR RETURN:
And Venus continues to be the star in the Sidereal Lunar Return, where it is 0°03' from Descendant, opposite natal Sun rising. Again: Happy day! (Even: Happy month!) Jupiter is barely fgoreground (9° off MC).

The partile transits occurring during the SLR are limited to Saturn just within square to his Jupiter (55').

This SLR actually duplicates the same Venus-Jupiter angular rotational square in the SSR.

Though both are foreground, any "square" between them would be about 9° wide. (That is, they're both foreground, but there isn't any aspect between them.) But Venus exactly angular backed by Moon and Jupiter also foreground is pretty good!

DSSR featured a rotational square of angular Moon-Jupiter.

You meant the Quarti-Solar (right?), which has all sorts of cool things including Jupiter 1°23' above Ascendant, Moon 1°24' off MC, Moon-Jupiter in 0°02' mundane square, a foreground Sun-Pluto mundane square (0°35'), and an ecliptical Moon-Pluto conjunction (0°28'), among other things. Its one of the best Quarti-SSRs I've seen, since I'm not really used to seeing them work very well. - But, in this case, it does exactly the one thing I do see a Quarti do: It picks the quarter of the year by echoing the main feature of the SSR.

In the stack of Sidereal Astrology charts, the 1984 SSR and Sept 10 SLR are clearly the dominating charts with their angular Venus-Jupiter symbolism.

I'd have to add the transits to the natal chart (in a limited, mixed way) and secondary progressions (by aspects and two different angle sets), which had singled out the year on their own. (But the Solunars are great - even classic.)

Oh, as a nice bonus, the PSN has a Sun-Jupiter sextile 0°08' and progressed Moon conjunct natal Jupiter 0°25'. If the estimated angles are right (same as PSSR above), MC conjoined transiting Venus for the day. The only downer is that the transiting Saturn, which squares natal Jupiter, now squares the progressed Moon-Jupiter conjunction. His Dasas... well, I suppose it's a hit, if I'm right about Rahu really being Uranus, because it puts him in the middle of a Uranus-of-Venus period.

[SteveS]

Jim wrote:

An angular mundane square, yes?).

Yes, back when I was studying Fagan’s material, I think he used the words “rotational square” (same as mundane square) when referring to two planets on/close (foreground) adjacent angles. I will try to remember the words “mundane square” for any future references.

Are you using "rotation square" to mean paran or co-angularity?

No, when I use the word Paran, I usually am seeing mundo partile cnj to the angles with 2 or more planets. Some Sidereal Astrologers allow 2 degree orb to the angles.
Jim wrote:

You meant the Quarti-Solar (right?),

Yes, thanks for the correction and the important added Quarti hits, I have edited my original post.
Jim wrote:

I'd have to add the transits to the natal chart (in a limited, mixed way) and secondary progressions (by aspects and two different angle sets), which had singled out the year on their own. (But the Solunars are great - even classic.)

Yes, I didn’t add the transits to the Natal because I think they also presented a “mixed” bag, and actually dilute the “why” for the event, but I do understand the partile transits to the natal have something to do with the overall personal ‘psychology’ of the event. Each individual responds in their own personal ways to life incidents, probably because every natal is uniquely different. I am endeavoring to filter these winners with my opinion as to the superior symbolism for the event, but I do appreciate your written style of detailed analysis for these large $ winner events, it helps me see what I miss. And yes, since Solunars are our chief forecasting tools covering extended periods of time, I absolutely agree they are “classic” in this case. There are always multiple layers of astrological symbolism associated with any major event. I am only presenting what my mind sees as the par-excellent (superior) symbolism for these large $ winner events. So far with my analysis for these type large $ winners, I am seeing ‘once in a lifetime’ transits/progressions are trumping Solunars, but when there is no ‘once in lifetime’ transit/progression, I think we will find the Solunars trumping all the other techniques. And, when it comes to Return Charts, I will state this again: There is no better Return book written in the entire field of astrology than your book ‘Interpreting Solar Returns,’ and believe me with 15 years of studying Tropical Astrology and 22 years of studying Sidereal Astrology, I have read and studied a wide array of astrology books.
BTW, your post here Jim, reminds me--we need to look at transits to the relocated natal angles, when applied.

[Jim Eshelman]

This was the first of these events that didn't occur at birthplace

[Arena]

Thanks for compiling these Steve.
I seem to remember a possible astrological discussion about this one woman who has won the lottery several times, somewhere in the US.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... s-PhD.html

Some more about multible lottery winners
https://www.multilotto.com/en/lotteryne ... iple-times

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04 ... hird-time/

http://uk.businessinsider.com/how-one-g ... mes-2016-1

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/0 ... 41376.html


I think it would be helpful when we have a few more examples in here, to summarize only the partile aspects for progressions, tranits and SSR respectively.

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

While I think Steve's emphasis on the patterns singling people out so they can be compared and catalogued is a good thing, I think Jim's inclusion of other influences is a good idea as well. People get focused on the good aspects and ignore the fact some of these winners had a lot of Saturn going on as well.
Maybe a short paragraph of "other influences" at the end of each write up might be useful, if only to let people reading this thread in a couple of years realize if they have these great transits going, finding a "mixed bag" with Saturn in the middle of everything doesn't mean they shouldn't bother buying a lottery ticket.

[SteveS]

JSAD wrote:

Maybe a short paragraph of "other influences" at the end of each write up might be useful, if only to let people reading this thread in a couple of years realize if they have these great transits going, finding a "mixed bag" with Saturn in the middle of everything doesn't mean they shouldn't bother buying a lottery ticket.

Exactly! So far, by what I have seen, I definitely would not allow a Saturn partile transit to a Natal factor prevent me from buying a lottery ticket, if I was a lotto player. What I am trying to personally determine are primary astro factors for these large lottery winners. It is no different when I asked Jim to take SMA and tell me what he determined were the main astro factors timing great financial panics--which Jim computed to be Neptune and its combos with Neptune angular on Cap/Can solars; hence, Neptune = high % timing financial Bubbles when any type of wild financial speculation had preceded the angular Neptune Solar Ingresses. When I am through with this lotto project, I will offer my conclusion, and then Jim can refine with his excellent detailed work. I am using a 'broad stroke' with my approach, and Jim uses a very refined detailed approach which puts any possible detailed icing on the cake.

[Jim Eshelman]

I still favor my theory that the highly consistent Saturn presence in all of these refers to have a bigger tax bill that most people pay altogether in their life.

My theory is that, even if you just won $17 million, it still makes you wince hard to pay $5 million in taxes. If someone would like me to test this theory, I'm wulling to be given the $17 million and find out.

[SteveS]

I hear you Jim, and agree. Wait till you see the 148 Million EU winner next with the hysterics of Neptune by winning 148 Mil. I will try to post before I leave for a 2 day kayaking trip.

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

Before you leave (you must be feeling better, yay) check out Ken Bowser's new article on The U.S. Stock Market: 1929 Versus 2017. I think he wrote it just for you.

[Venus_Daily]

Thanks for compiling these Steve.
I seem to remember a possible astrological discussion about this one woman who has won the lottery several times, somewhere in the US.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... s-PhD.html

Some more about multible lottery winners
https://www.multilotto.com/en/lotteryne ... iple-times

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04 ... hird-time/

http://uk.businessinsider.com/how-one-g ... mes-2016-1

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/0 ... 41376.html


I think it would be helpful when we have a few more examples in here, to summarize only the partile aspects for progressions, tranits and SSR respectively.

I've met this woman before, very nice and generous woman. She's a statistics wiz and attended an Ivy League school. Her gift is math, she did not win what some might think of as a "convential lottery" she won through combining statistics with scratch offs. She's actually from the next town over, which is about 10-12 miles away. Hers was not so much of a cinderella story since she already came from a more wealthy, priveleged family.

I want to ask, can you win without major aspect between progressed Pluto to progessing planets? Or without Progressed to Jupiter to Progressed planets? Major benific progressions?

[Arena]

What a small world! Interesting that you've actually met her
Yes I read about that woman in link nr. 1 some time ago, that she is a math's expert, I think from Stanford.

Very good question about progressions, I would think it must show up in progressions if you win such a huge amount of money. But if astrological symbolism is consistant, it should show up in progressions, transits and SSRs.

[Arena]

I guess I should put down a to do task in my diary in 2021 when pr. Mercury conj. pr. Sun will be on n. Pluto and square n. Venus and Jupiter AND tr. Jupiter will aspect all that as well as tr. Uranus will square my n. Sun ... the downside though is that tr. Saturn is opp. n. Sun. Well, maybe that's just the downside of the huge tax bill I will have to pay

[SteveS]

JSAD wrote:

…(you must be feeling better, yay)…

Much better, thank you. I am 70% back to normal psychical strength, but some days I feel like crap with very low energy levels, due the health problems I incurred with my Moon-Saturn cycles last year. I will never get back to normal with my health due to my age, just a fact of aging. Kayaking trip (flat water only) has been cancelled due to Weather reports for next couple of days.
JSAD wrote:

check out Ken Bowser's new article on The U.S. Stock Market: 1929 Versus 2017. I think he wrote it just for you.

Thanks for this most interesting link JSAD, and yes, it was written to peak my interest. What puzzles me with this article which offers sound astro analysis is the SMA fact: we see no Neptune Bubble with any of the Solar Ingresses for next year. But, the market is way overdue for a sizable correction. We have been in a steady Bull Market for 9 years and Janet Yellen (Federal Reserve Chief) says this:

Federal Reserve chief Janet Yellen on Tuesday said thanks to a number of safeguards enacted in the wake of the 2008 financial crisis and subsequent Great Recession, she doesn’t “believe” another financial crisis is looming on the horizon.

Statements like this worry me, because, in the past I have seen high government official who understand nothing about natural laws make statements like this a few months before a serious market correction related to some type of unforeseen market crises.

[SteveS]

Venus wrote and asked:

I want to ask; can you win without major aspect between progressed Pluto to progressing planets? Or without Progressed to Jupiter to Progressed planets? Major benefic progressions?

And Arena responded:

Very good question about progressions, I would think it must show up in progressions if you win such a huge amount of money. But if astrological symbolism is consistent, it should show up in progressions, transits and SSRs.

I think any type of ‘once in lifetime’ transit or progression has greater % for timing a major winner, except for Saturn in the mix with the 'once in lifetime' progression/transit. But, if you are seeing a ‘once in lifetime’ transit or progression manifesting in your life with another type of major change in your life, then it is most unlikely you will hit a major lottery. As long as I was under a favorable 'once in lifetime' transit/progression, and did not see any major changes occurring in my life, IMO, one would have greater probability of hitting a major winning lotto ticket. For example: If I saw a ‘once in lifetime’ transit or progression involving Uranus and/or Pluto on my charts, I would definitely play the lottery if convenient. Uranus-Pluto combos are par-excellent symbolism for sudden (Uranus) shock (Pluto) which would exactly be our psychological reaction for hitting a large prize/lotto ticket. Our personal individual psychological reactions to any major aspect can vary differently over a wide range reactions with all the varying layers of planetary symbolism. So far, by what I have seen with these examples, my favorite combo would be to see significant (rarely seen cycles) with Uranus-Pluto combined with out personal points--Moon-Sun-Angles, and from a common-sense standpoint a Jupiter flavoring added into the Uranus-Pluto major hit. But when we finish all the examples of these lotto winners, I guarantee Jim will see from a statistical standpoint the main astro factors.

[Arena]

Steve, it's good to hear you are better. I am actually fasting now, and it has great health benefits. You may want to check this out; https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevensalz ... cbcb4a3c93

But back to the subject, it seems a bit strange that a Saturn-Neptune aspect has been seen in the charts of those lottery winners. But I wonder if the lottery win may have led to some kind of "removal" - possibly quitting a job?
Definitely, we will be on the outlook for Uranus-Pluto to our luminaries and/or angles as well as Jupiter with either Venus or Mercury. But let's wait for the end result on what we think is the most prevalent aspect of them all.

On the subject of the next economic crash, did you look into 2019 and 2020 ingresses? I think it won't happen until then ... they can "keep up appearances" for a long time as we've seen before.
I remember when I looked into the relevant solar ingress for Rvk in 2008, there was indeed Saturn-Neptune symbolism, but it was not partile. If I remember correctly, I think it was up to 5° orb.

[SteveS]

Thanks for the health link Arena
Arena wrote:

it seems a bit strange that a Saturn-Neptune aspect has been seen in the charts of those lottery winners.

I don’t recall seeing major (superior) Saturn-Neptune for one of these winners?
Arena asked:

On the subject of the next economic crash, did you look into 2019 and 2020 ingresses?

Many months ago, I looked at all the DC SMA Solar Ingresses out to 2030, and unless I made a mistake, I did not see any angular Neptune Bubble bursting ingresses. But understand, this does not mean there will not be any severe economic Recessions. Bubble bursting Neptune Ingresses are what we have to fear, because they are causing long economic Depressions. I am concerned about the World Wide tight/partile triple cnj of Moon-Mercury-Saturn in the 2018 Capsolar, particularly for DC with angular Sun Uranus-Pluto. This Moon-Mercury-Saturn cnj is not angular, but the all-important Capsolar Moon receives 3 exact cnjs from transiting Saturn in 2018, and with Jim’s teachings we allow transits to Solar Moons acting with angular potency. Traditionally, with Mundane Astrology, we have to allow Mercury with commerce, and then all forms of communication. With all the major computer hacks happening in the World—this could one day effect financial markets/major banking systems in a big way—without the effects of a Neptune Financial Bubble. Then, when we see what Ken Bowser analyzed with his method charts and Jim Rogers (highly respected by me) predicting a major financial crises end of this year or next year---well, you get the picture. I am most concerned about DC’s 2018 Capsolar because of the way Cap Moon is set-up, combined with the always volatile Uranus-Pluto angular combos.
Arena wrote:

I remember when I looked into the relevant solar ingress for Rvk in 2008, there was indeed Saturn-Neptune symbolism, but it was not partile.

Exactly, but it was t. Neptune with t. Saturn that timed Iceland's banking crises. Interesting you mention this Iceland crises. After Jim Rogers came out with financial crises prediction a couple of weeks ago with markets, mentioning Iceland’s banking crises (bankrupt) in 2007, I looked at Iceland’s 2007 Capsolar Master Chart, thinking about you and your family relative to this financial banking crises. Below is Rvk 2007 Capsolar and we can see Neptune & Saturn close to the EP/WP axis. By what I could tell by reading about this Iceland Banking crises, it was perfectly timed when t. Neptune came into partile contact with EP/WP axis, and t. Saturn was retrograde at the time of this Capsolar—so we see t. Saturn exactly hitting the EP/WP axis opposing t. Neptune. As far as I can tell, without living in Europe, this exact Neptune transit timed when Iceland’s financial banking panic (Neptune Bubble) became widespread across Europe, creating a run on Iceland’s banks with depositors. This is the preciseness Jim SMA teachings offer for the serious mundane astrologer.
http://imgur.com/a/Z0TWZ

[Arena]

Well, it was Jim that pointed out some Saturn and Neptune symbolism in this thread for the winners.

Yes we could indeed see another kind of financial crisis this time around. What you said about hackers and technology reminds me of a TV series I watched last winter and really loved: Mr. Robot. Check it out, it's really good. It is actually related to what you are saying, but I don't want to reveal too much

About the economic crash in Iceland, it was not in 2007, it happened on October 6th 2008.
2007 was a high peak year for the economy and real estate was at it's highest price and people were spending so much money that year!