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Venus-Saturn&Saturn-Venus = loving, good, practial

Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 6:26 am
by Arena
I thought I would share my very positive feelings about both the t. Venus - n. Saturn, t. Venus - t. Saturn as well as t. Saturn - n. Venus. Other factors may be involved in these turning out positive in my case and I will list those I see fit.

Usually, we worry about Saturn's malefic manifestations, but there isn't always need to worry.
Just yesterday I had a 4 hour drive with my partner with t. Venus on n. and pr. Saturn and opp t. Saturn. We were alone in the car and one of the topics we discussed in those hours was our love, relationship, getting married and how we are glad we got through difficult times and are feeling content, good about being with each other (despite the occasional row).We also discussed heritage/heritance rights gained/secured by a marriage and how that kind of ceremony in itself is not important to neither of us, but may still be nice for the kids as an expression of our family unit.

Let's start at the beginning with explaining the very positive factors that may be of influence. This SSR is indeed a positive one for myself with an angular Venus close to Mercury in mundo and just over 3° sq to Mars in ecliptic and within 3° trine Uranus. This SSR gives me even more reason to think that birth time is off because it certainly does not seem that SSR Mars is partile square the ASC. SSR Moon is close to Sun and counting the 5 degrees between them fits exactly with when I got engaged with my partner (Christmas) while tr. Venus was sq n. Moon, trine n. Saturn, opp. n. Mercury and then sextile t. Saturn and Uranus. And then counting the degrees from that SSR Moon to SSR Venus fits with just about now.

About this SSR I must make a note of the SSR Saturn at 14,53° Scorpio is very close to relocated DSC. It is sq SSR Nep and wider sq Mercury as well as trine Sun. There has been no kind of "removal" issues. The only possible manifestation I see for that T-square is that I've just deferred my studies because I want to have more time for my business right now. I finished all tutoring, two semesters of courses and now I just have my thesis to write and that one has just been deferred now. Although Saturn on DSC has the possible manifestation of a breakup or hardship, it can also mean committed partnerships being secured.

T. Saturn has been opposite n. Venus and trine SSR Venus during the year and t. Venus has made those aspects to n. Saturn, now just passing by/conjunct it and everything is fine, the relationship is content, happy, settled, grounded and good. There is that practical tone to getting married, but it isn't negative at all.

I would say overall that the negative tone descriptions in the forum do not apply to these transits in my case this year.

None of this applies:
T VENUS - N SATURN
Uncomfortable feelings around love, personal appearance, sensuality. Resistant to affection or closeness. Subtle pleasure in one’s inadequacies or problems; may refuse others’ support. Loss, sadness, feeling blocked.]
but the a) part in here applies:
SATURN aspecting Natal VENUS
An increased desire for secure affection and a narrowing of your range of social and romantic contacts probably takes one of two forms: (a) settling into a close, solid relationship with a bias toward commitment; or (b) feeling isolated, shy, alone, left "out of the game," and perhaps self-conscious about your appearance. The latter is likely if you maintain walls of self-doubt and caution about your affections; the former if your increased self-interest with your own pleasure needs coexists with a warm, open approach. This applies to all love relationships, including those with children, parents, and friends, as well as romantic bonds. At times like these, relationships seem put to a serious test, their quality determining the outcome: many separations and disappointments occur, but also many weddings! Love and pleasure seem identified with duty and devotion now, such that caring for loved ones tends to be immensely satisfying.

Re: Venus-Saturn&Saturn-Venus = loving, good, practial

Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:08 pm
by Jim Eshelman
Arena wrote: Sun Jul 23, 2017 6:26 am Just yesterday I had a 4 hour drive with my partner with t. Venus on n. and pr. Saturn and opp t. Saturn.
Yes, in some situations, a different side can come out, and I do see it (as the quoted interpretations reflect) much more likely under Saturn to Venus than Venus to Saturn - so I was eager to look to your example. But I can't find those aspects.

I think it's something else... and I found a really big something else that I think gives the right "big context" to any other aspects going on right now.

You said yesterday - Saturday July 22, yes? You didn't say what time, but that shouldn't matter much, and I popped up noon, when Venus was at 24°31' Taurus (moving just over a degree a day). This is over a degree from your Saturn, and over 2° form opposite transiting Saturn. If these were angular on a return chart (for example), this would be plenty close, but for a simple transit I don't find that to be the case. Venus-Saturn peaked Friday.

But first, some less gigantic (but nonetheless important) stuff...

I see other interesting aspects yesterday, not all classically joyous, but leaning that way. The big transit right now is Jupiter conjunct your Uranus, which is a fabulous aspect. Mars exactly crossed your Edinburgh IC, which I also don't interpret sweetly in the published interpretation, but which can be way better to that when with other strong, positive transits (I admit I wouldn't have predicted from it as lovely a result as you had).

I was curious about your recent SLR (July 18). The main feature is Moon on Descendant (0°16'), partile square Mercury. Ignoring the obvious check-boxes of a half-day drive and abundant conversation (I'm sure you, like the rest of us, don't need a Mercury transit to have long conversations! <g>), Moon foreground and, specifically, partileconjunct Descendant certainly shows where your thoughts and feelings went.

And, while your SSR has been working all year, you're coming up to your birthday soon and, in the last 20% or so of the year I see a rapid acceleration in the SSR - something I called the "mop-up period" in my Solar Return book, you and the universe colluding to make sure the full effect of the SSR has every chance to manifest, a fulfillment of its life-cycle.

Then, looking at how this late-stage SSR was unfolding, I found something you might have missed. It's the really big thing I mentioned above: Your progressed SSR Moon has been conjoining your SSR and progressed SSR Venuses for weeks. As of yesterday at noon, we have:

2°06' Leo SSR Venus
3°18' Leo SQ Venus
3°56' Leo SQ Moon
4°35' Leo SSR Asc

SQ Moon (i.e., secondary progressed SSR Moon) has been conjunct either SSR or SQ Venus continually since May 3. (It leaves orb August 2, a day before your birthday.) Moon exactly conjoined SSR Venus May 31, and SQ Venus July 2, but the aspect has been fully active since early May.

This is a really big astrological deal, probably the most important aspect in your SSR for the whole year. I haven't kept close track, but it seems (from casual memory) you've been pretty deliciously happy during that time in particular, yes?

Going with the standard interpretation (highlighting the typical expression, and dropping out most of the parenthesized possible variant interpretations):

[quote-"s Moon to s Venus"]Vivid feeling responses, intense emotional life... Temperamentally hungry for affection (affection received, being in love); need for gentleness, tenderness, caressing, touching, holding; responding with full sensual vigor to another's enamored advances. Responding to beauty... Marked predominance of female component in behavior... desire for children. High frustration tolerance, usually happy state of mind (shared happiness).[/quote]

Re: Venus-Saturn&Saturn-Venus = loving, good, practial

Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 2:58 pm
by Arena
Indeed, Jim, there has been some of that "happy-go-lucky" feeling for a while that can be explained by the Moon-Venus SSR and Jup-Ur and most of this year has just been a joy ... and I even actually thought about it for a moment and mentioned to my partner to have another baby! WTF was that about (Moon-Venus moment on June 24th)! :D ... but still, it is important to emphasise that Venus-Saturn and Saturn-Venus can indeed be very positive times when accompanied by good aspects.

The drive was around noon on Saturday, yes.
Your progressed SSR Moon has been conjoining your SSR and progressed SSR Venuses for weeks. As of yesterday at noon, we have:

2°06' Leo SSR Venus
3°18' Leo SQ Venus
3°56' Leo SQ Moon
4°35' Leo SSR Asc
Am curious to know the numbers on these with a BT of 23.18 (which would also mean that t. Mars went by rel. angle a few days earlier) :)

Re: Venus-Saturn&Saturn-Venus = loving, good, practial

Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 3:18 pm
by Jim Eshelman
Arena wrote: Sun Jul 23, 2017 2:58 pm
Your progressed SSR Moon has been conjoining your SSR and progressed SSR Venuses for weeks. As of yesterday at noon, we have:

2°06' Leo SSR Venus
3°18' Leo SQ Venus
3°56' Leo SQ Moon
4°35' Leo SSR Asc
Am curious to know the numbers on these with a BT of 23.18 (which would also mean that t. Mars went by rel. angle a few days earlier) :)
I can do that for you, although it's going to be quite similar. (For that early, your SSR loses a fw things I've been thinking were dead-on for your last year, such as the precisely angular Moon and Sun, though at least it has Venus even more angular: It looks wider, but is only 0°03' below Asc.)

0°58' Leo SSR Asc
2°05' Leo SSR Venus
3°16' Leo SQ Venus
3°44' Leo SQ Moon

Re: Venus-Saturn&Saturn-Venus = loving, good, practial

Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 3:30 pm
by Arena
For that early, your SSR loses a fw things I've been thinking were dead-on for your last year, such as the precisely angular Moon and Sun
What do you mean by that Jim. Moon-Sun are not precisely angular in SSR with 23.40 ... but they become a square to MC if BT 23.18, in fact SSR Sun becomes a partile square and SSR Mars moves slightly further out, not partile sq anymore.

Re: Venus-Saturn&Saturn-Venus = loving, good, practial

Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 3:48 pm
by Jim Eshelman
Arena wrote: Sun Jul 23, 2017 3:30 pm
For that early, your SSR loses a fw things I've been thinking were dead-on for your last year, such as the precisely angular Moon and Sun
What do you mean by that Jim. Moon-Sun are not precisely angular in SSR with 23.40 ... but they become a square to MC if BT 23.18, in fact SSR Sun becomes a partile square and SSR Mars moves slightly further out, not partile sq anymore.
For your given birth time, Sun in the SSR is 0°09' from EP, Moon is 0°08; from square MC, Venus is 3°05' above Asc, Mercury is 4°46' below Asc. In longitude:

16°22' Cancer Sun
16°31' Cancer EP
21°18' Cancer Moon
21°26' Cancer MC

Oh and, yes, I'd missed that Mars square to Ascendant. Sorry.