Solunars by Aldebaran Sidereal Academy

TheScales_BothWays wrote:

Jim Eshelman wrote:The gates are open.

You mean the flood-gates! It is the Piscean month haha.

The only three Pisces-Suns I know are my father, a friend of mine and and an ex-teacher of mine. As for Aquarians, I know none that I know well of. That's why I didn't post much in the past Aquarian thread. Sorry. I know more Aquarian Moons though.
My father was born on the 5th of April 1967, at 06.35AM, in Kuala Lumpur. Now he lives in Klang, though his angles shouldn't change that much considering Klang is only a 45-minute drive from Kuala Lumpur.
My Piscean friend was born on the 29th of March 1999, 12.35PM, in Klang.
My Piscean ex-teacher was born the 28th of March, probably in Klang. I've forgotten his birth year, but I kinda recall him being a double-Pisces. 1960 is my best guess, but that has to be taken with a pinch of salt. I do not know his birth time, but he seems strongly like a person with a Moon-Saturn aspect which he will have if he was born in 1960.

I shall go through the list of traits for the Pisces Sun interpretations kindly shared by Jim from his notes and elaborate where possible.

Unfamiliar and vague holds a special attraction for them. Many explorers (need to uncover the mystery!).

Yes for my teacher. He's a natural doubting Thomas but once he gets to know about something he's interested in, he immediately researches it thoroughly. He has known lots of info by this way. He's strongly science-minded but is also open to spirituality, religion and the occult when his research proves them to have some basis. ADD 23/03: He strongly believes in God though. The following quote by Albert Einstein (a famous Pisces scientist we all know) is a good way of showing how he views science and religion:

Albert Einstein wrote:Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.

He does indeed believe a combination of science and religion is necessary for "true" understanding.

Subjective approach to life.

This is true to both my father and my teacher, but my teacher is wiser (naturally, as he's older).

"Make a production out of everything." Flair for dramatization. Actors. Very musical.

My teacher acted in plays when he was a teenager and young adult.

Suave speech - pleasant social address - orators - good teachers (community leaders).

Yes he is a great teacher, he's able to explain and visualise concepts with much clarity.
Did I mention how deep and loud both my father's and teacher's voices are? As for my Pisces friend, I'm not that sure.
I was intimidated when I first heard my teacher's voice, but got used to it. He says his drama activities also made his voice clearer; which it is. He's a part-time newscaster who newscasts when he feels like it or when there's no other newscaster available. He's also a part-time master of ceremonies. (M.C.)

IDEALISTS - VISIONARIES - ROMANTICISTS - DREAMERS ("Everything will be fine.")

Yes my ex-teacher is a visionary but he does frequently mention how he's disappointed at (this country, it's people/politicians, etc.) on how Malaysia could've been way better. He realised that he's his own change-maker and has to fend for himself first, which he's finds unfortunate.

Hard to please by intimates; easy to please by non-intimate acquaintances.

Very, very true of my father—also, if my mother encourages him to do something, he may brush my mother's ideas off, but if someone else tells the same idea (or a different one, even if it sounds nonsensical), he gets very encouraged and motivated. He has a tendency to be deceived by this attitude of his, which my mother criticises. She's a Virgo. She frequently sets my father straight in most issues.

Striving for predictability. They cast themselves in a specific role then block out all signals or hints that there could possibly be another way, another pattern by which to BE.

My father, especially the first point. I can see this even literally—when driving to a place my father has gone before, my father usually follows the route he's most used, even though my mother and I suggest him a better, quicker route.

SLAVERY motif. At best, consciously "indentured" to something.

Yes, my father to his work. He always makes it clear how his job wouldn't allow him to take off-days by whim, even on important days for the family. He's a supervisor.

MISONEISTIC.

My father. Really not comfortable to changes he has no idea that they're coming. Refuses to acknowledge them at times.

Snobbish.

My teacher is somewhat so, but not overtly.

Low pain threshold (physical or emotional). Sensitive.

My father perhaps.

Lean toward high I.Q. - "absorbs knowledge without much difficulty" (Fagan) - good memories for facts.

My teacher and my Piscean friend.

Often too deadly serious for their own good.

My father, but also could be my teacher and Pisces friend too.

Do own jobs effectively and expect others to likewise do their share to "keep the wheels turning." (Slave motif again.)

Strongly my father and my teacher. Though my father may still make others do their work even when he doesn't. My mother sometimes complains that "she always has to do everything" and that "my father can't do anything by himself."
My father is indeed strongly dependent on my mother, emotionally and intellectually. My mother sometimes feels like he's consuming most of my mother's time, life and even money.

They are strong (intense) - you never know strong what, but they are strong (especially women; men less so). Strength is directly proportionate to their emotional attunement.

All three are physically strong and are bulky. My father leans toward the fat side of bulk while my friend leans towards the muscular side. My teacher is somewhere in the middle. My father was thinner though when he was younger, I suppose that's his Capricorn Moon. All three are known to work out and exercise, though my father only did so during his younger years.

Strong sex drive (sensuousness). Indulgent. Enjoy good food.

I suppose the former is so for all three. All three love good food too, though my father is the most indulgent while my teacher and friend have more control on their food intake for health purposes.

From Rupert Gleadow's interpretations:

"...typically resembles 'the average sensual man'; always looking for enjoyment, a bit of a humbug and not entirely reliable, but essentially kind and good-natured; weak-willed and easy-going, but generous, and quickly taken up with the sensations of the moment. Not independent and often difficult to rouse, they are talkative, fond of eating and drinking, devoted to entertainments, parties, theatricals, and amusements. Many of them are always looking for the easy way out, so work does not appeal to them as such; yet many do work hard when they are intelligent enough to understand the need for it, for they are exceptionally adaptable and versatile, and once interested in a job will take great trouble to make it a success."

This is actually a good description of my father, and of my teacher when he was in his younger years.

Some other comments:
My teacher (and a Pisces-Gemini tattoo artist that I barely know) are very interested in fine art; my teacher draws for pleasure while the tattoo artist makes a living out of it.
All three are fair-skinned (Indians can both be fair- and dark-skinned) though my teacher has gotten darker in complexion by Sun exposure.
All three are considerably stubborn in their views until proven wrong by facts. My teacher believes that lesbiansim is genetically impossible and male homosexuality is a symptom of Kleinfelter's syndrome, I could've easily questioned and disproved that but he'll still be stubborn in his views and it'll ruin his respect on me.
My teacher has experienced many "mystical" and "senses-halting" experiences in his life, that could be explained by a possible Moon-Pluto sesquisquare (and he'd still have a close Moon-Saturn square).
My father has been betrayed/deceived a fair number of times, and apparently has been "jinxed" by a jealous co-worker some years ago. The "jinx" has been successfully "removed."
My father is very biased in sharing his love, he's more interested in his daughters than me (my mother agrees) and can be biased in other things too between me and my sisters. I'm not taking the bias as a serious matter as I have my mother by my side.
My father easily believes rumours and superstition, especially if it comes from the mouths of his relatives and friends, or from WhatsApp.

My father's Neptune from his Pisces Sun has been inherited by all of my siblings and me: I have a partile-angular Neptune, my 1st sister has a Pisces Moon and my 2nd sister has Neptune fairly angular (but it's the only angular planet in her chart.)

Hope this helps!

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Bogdan574 wrote:As someone with Moon conjunct Neptune I can be pretty gullible myself. I also like fantastic things to fantasize quite bit, something I liked to do since childhood.

Iaomai wrote:My father is also a Pisces.

He was an educator and school administrator for the majority of his career-life, where he was highly respected by his peers and subordinates. As long as I've known him, he has always been devoutly religious with a deep spiritual leaning and a gift for telling relevantly meaningful stories and speaking in analogies. He's also taught Sunday School and been a deacon in the church since I can remember. He once read a book on healing and began the relaxation and meditation exercises, but he rather quickly and easily had a frightening visionary experience that completely turned him against all that sort of thing. He can be judgmental, but I had to get older and change from his belief system before I really ever saw it. The main idea there is that he trusts his own faith tradition deeply and is just as deeply suspicious of everything that isn't in line with that.

Iaomai wrote:Facebook just notified me that my old boss's birthday is today, which means she is a Pisces as well.

She originally studied counseling but worked her way into education, becoming both a Psychology professor as well as doing work in college administration to help students gain the skills necessary to succeed through tutoring programs and advising programs for students on academic probation. She really bought in to her work helping students succeed in college. She wasn't just performing a function for a pay check. It was her work to help the world. She ran into trouble with administration, though, as she would defend her ideals for the program where the higher-ups were more concerned with the money and time being spent on hard-to-demonstrate outcomes. Eventually, her defense of her ideals for the program led to her being pushed out of leadership. Now she just sticks to being a professor.

She's a sincere Catholic, but she always expressed a lot of interest in astrology and tarot readings. She had the scientific education in Psychology, yet she was still very interested in the areas where it related to mystical experiences and the spiritual life.

Iaomai wrote:Okay, so Pisces is Neptune and Venus.

In what ways would you say that it's not Mercurial?

Iaomai wrote:Okay, so Pisces is Neptune and Venus.

In what ways would you say that it's not Mercurial?

Jim Eshelman wrote:On the way home, I was thinking about another Pisces detail I hadn't ever thought through. I've been on an informal "project" of rethinking-through how each sign is substantially defined by its ruling and exalted planets and those that are home or exalted in the opposite sign...

I realized I'd never thought through the ways that Pisces is defined by Mercury being double-debilitated there. Pisces should be the least mercurial zodiacal constellation of all. "Exactly how is this so?", I thought? Aha! There goes my Virgo. It's in that word exactly or, rather, inexactly. We're used to recognizing that Piscians are malleable, able (at their best) to be anything. Part of what makes that possible, though, is that they are nothing specific. They are the antithesis of the Virgo-Mercury idea of "pin it down, label, identify exactly what it is." They are freed to be anything by being nothing in particular.

I think that is their distinctly mercurial element.

Now, there are several things about Pisces that seem mercurial. (Polarities are interesting that way. They pretty routinely have their opposites inherent in them, but after another fashion.) For example, Pisces can seem to have abundant curiosity, but the motive is starkly different than for Virgo. Pisces isn't really interested in learning a fact or pinning down what's so. Rather, they thrive on solving a mystery! And I'm not entirely sure that solving it is their thing, so much as living in the presence of mystery and navigating (unintentional but appropriate mariner term) its byways.

So, Virgo wants to know what's so; Pisces is especially attracted by the unknown and vague. Outwardly, these may look similar. Fundamentally, they are antithetical.

Also, one might think that conning is a mercurial trait, arising from the God of Liars and Thieves. I've often wondered why Gemini is known for being a cheat, and Virgo for not being a cheat. I tend to think Gemini has more of that because they are un-Jupiter, disinterested in "being good," a trait Virgo doesn't have. Now I'm thinking there is another side, too, which is that Virgo is un-Neptune and, therefore, polarizes itself against the planet of deception.

But the main point of this post is that Piscians are variable specifically because of avoiding specificity.

jamescondor wrote:Ok JimE, "individualistic front"- its the way its worded, as if derogatory and degrading. complete b.s.
By saying Pisces puts up an "individualistic front" implies that Pisces-is not capable of being an individual -and 2 -assumes the are fraudulent and intent on counterfeiting. This is not true. But because Jim will just deny anyone else can be right about anything I will just now prepare a defense in giving the benefit of the doubt. Explain it to me?

jamescondor wrote:Ok JimE, "individualistic front"- its the way its worded, as if derogatory and degrading. complete b.s.

By saying Pisces puts up an "individualistic front" implies that Pisces-is not capable of being an individual

and 2 -assumes the are fraudulent and intent on counterfeiting.

If you mean "making up who to be," they are. It's a moral judgement whether there is anything wrong with this. Pisces is about the role, the façade, the persona of the occasion.

Explain it to me?

jamescondor wrote:I can't say someone's interpretation is wrong per se, because we all each have our own eyes, own interpretation. But I do think when people Agree on fundamental 'truths', it is because we do see the reality and this is objective. Even still, we can only be as objective as we can be and the Agreement is very key.
So Jim, in no way can your interpretations be wrong. I think you know exactly what you see as real and others will agree with you. But at this time, I do not see Pisces as pretending, or as putting up a front. The 'front' is not innate, but a consequence of Pisces not having a clear, steady, consistent identity or by having such a mysterious, unreal grasp of identity. Intent is the key.

jamescondor wrote:On a positive note, I must give credit where credit is due, and acknowledge Jim's latest Pisces insight listed above as purely incredible in founded in reality. The moment I read it, I knew it was true. Insights like his above are the reason we all connect.

Danica wrote:I have only 7 solar Pisces on the personally-known list (enough! )
Two of them I know quite well (intimately well), and others on the acquaintance level but mostly for long enough so I've had the opportunity to observe them.

This is the common trait I've noticed with 3 of them, and is a very prominent thing for each (though not something that can be noticed at first glance; you have to spend time with them to see it):
They have a strong tendency to hold for long period of time to reactive emotions (such as anger, resentment, wishing revenge, etc.); they keep the intensity of the emotion, and can do so for years, even decades, after the event that triggered it.
My personal theory is: they unconsciously identify themselves (attach psychologically to it, experiencing it as something that defines their identity) with these reactive emotions, "enchanted" by the intensity of it when the emotion initially arose; they re-live it again and again in their mind, and then, over time, it goes into the "default" mode and becomes second nature, so to let go of it feels like loosing oneself, and so they stay locked into this circle. Masochism and sadism are part (type of expression) of this same pattern.

I would like to hear feedback from you on this - did you notice the described pattern with your personally known Solar Pisces?

jamescondor wrote:Danica, I think you are onto something and I initially understand your description here and need more time to know for sure if it is indeed a sole Pisces trait. Also, your description might, idk, fit previous interpretations but the language maybe different. I know they tend to regress emotionally and behaviorally, but we all do to an extent. Maybe they do so relatively more often in a self inflicting way that they actually enjoy. Bear with me.
Pisces does avoid the straight forward reality of what is directly in front and by doing so leads to a sort of procrastination or missing of the right now, right here moment. I think they reflect on the past, but misinterpret the past reflection by assuming it to be true for everyone, and then they bring the misinterpreted past into the present and communication becomes foggy. There is something off about it. I really don't think Pisces is too concerned except for when others become intolerant and/or critical of the behavior. So yes, they do identify with a sort of mystery or mystical realm.
The main problems/signs are clear, from outside perspective, when communication suffers. Even small details. Calling a coffee stir stick, a popsicle stick or mis quoting song lyrics is Pisces (I think, could be Capricorn too?) And Pisces will argue they are right even when obviously wrong. Think about Pisces being opposite a double Mercury in Virgo. Mercury is about 'pinning it down', like Jim said. Mercury is about clear communication. Pisces ego can hinder clear, accurate, concise communication more than any sign I've experienced by making communication distorted, unclear.
My sister in law has Moon in Pisces and she likes to say 'I' this and 'I' that often and for no apparent reason. Pisces is often defensive before any defense is needed. She makes self-fulfilling profacys all the time and to me she comes off as just being naive and/unaware because nobody else sees her how she describes herself.
So Pisces identity might be as simple as 'distorted' perception. If all they see is periphery, and images and beliefs in idealism, then this is what they identify with and communicate to others. A Pisces will argue what they see is real and true, and to them, it is (and this is also true, relative to all sign identities). The difference is Pisces rules the mystery zone.

Lance wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:36 pm I think it has to do with the energy they put into their sort of Piscean private reality. They (or we - my Moon included) create a storybook reality - storybook loves, storybook religious devotion, storybook ambitions…

And we get stuck in that story-version of reality - stuck in less-than-storybook love, religious devotion, or path of ambition. It’s hard to let go of the hopeful fantasy.

And when we do, then it registers at the level of betrayal precisely because we were formerly so incredibly, ostensibly devoted.

I mean, other people cheat. Other people change religions. Why rag on the Pisces for things everyone else does to? My guess is that it’s because compared to the previous extreme of devotion, it seems like an extraordinary departure.

So, I’m theorizing it’s about Piscean intensity. But Jim is saying statistically Pisces actually do change loyalties more.

Lance wrote: Sat Jan 29, 2022 6:12 am As you can tell, I’m trying to figure out the contradictory-seeming descriptions of being stuck in some circumstances and changing loyalties easily in others.

As I look to my own journey, the difference seems to be the ferocity of “emotional attachment to a current projection” versus the giving up on it when it doesn’t live up to the expectation.

For instance, when other people from my past change their relationship with their religion, it’s not really a big deal. But when I did, it was a really big deal to them precisely because of how strongly I embraced and promoted it.

So…. Maybe the frequency of change has to do with the relatively flawed process of having such a strong emotional attachment to a current projection. In other words, do that, and you’re eventually bound to be disappointed with the reality.

But what about the stuckness then?

Jim Eshelman wrote: Sat Jan 29, 2022 7:51 pm Surely no more than anyone else, right? (Which insight?)

Danica wrote: Sun Jan 30, 2022 5:37 pm

mikestar13 wrote: Sun Jan 30, 2022 2:13 pm Changeable indeed, and on some values others might hold fundamental.

And persistent in fully ignoring what doesn't fit their personal feeling of comfort, ease & convenience, thus making all such things - poof! - erased from the realm of existence