Solunars by Aldebaran Sidereal Academy

by SteveS on Sat Jan 24, 2009 6:44 am

“We have found that, when astrological symbolism is repeated in different maps, the event indicated is more likely to be of vital importance.” Cyril Fagan, ‘Primer of Sidereal Astrology’.

Jim, I have found the above quote to offer a certain amount of astrological truism in my own life and with other charts. I want to table my observations to you with Obama’s 09 SSR and get your take on what I consider to be a unique astrological situation pertaining to Obama’s 09 SSR and subsequent Obama maps pertaining to Fagan’s above quote.

The ‘repeated symbolism’ pertaining to Obama’s 09 SSR is backed up with other maps pertaining to Mars-Saturn symbolism. I feel this could be of timing importance for us astrologers to monitor and observe pertaining to Fagan’s words: ‘the event indicated is more likely to be of vital importance’. Please correct any miss-leading statements I may make with this post. For the most part I am following your teachings but don’t want to miss-represent your teachings with the wrong choice of words, or with my delineating slant with Obama’s 09 SSR. I am trying to offer my analysis objectively with Obama’s 09 SSR, but there is a certain bias on my behalf because of mundane cycles; which, I have previously posted pertaining to Autumn 09 that appear to be dove-tailing the same time frame with certain repeated Mars-Saturn symbolism maps for Obama-- in the same time frame.

Looking at Obama’s 09 SSR, we immediately see the only foreground angular planet is Mercury backed up with an ‘auxiliary’ angular hit—partile the East Point. This is a double whammy of angular SSR Mercury symbolism, indicating his consciousnesses/mind is going to be (more so than normal) preoccupied with much mental/talkative/thinking/thoughts. His rising SSR Mercury is partile 90 his Natal Moon which is foreground his SSR MC. SSR Mercury is also in mundane partile conjunction with his Natal Pluto—indicating high probabilities pertaining to dramatic(Pluto), emotional (Moon), talkative/mental (Mercury)-- situations. Weather or not these possible ‘situations’ will be brought before the public-only time will. After analyzing any foreground angular planets with their solar & natal aspects, I turn my attention to the SSR Moon which is also represented with an ‘auxiliary’ hit with a 1+ degree conjunction of the Vertex. SSR Moon features a 2 degree approaching square with natal Neptune and a separating 3 degree 135 with SSR Saturn—definitely not a harmonious emotional combination. SSR Moon does offer some mitigating influence with a 6 degree separating conjunction with Natal Jupiter. Then I look at the remaining solar planetary aspects noting any partile aspects—there are none. Now I am ready to note any solar planet aspecting a natal planet, particularly outer planetary transits to the natal chart. This is where Fagan’s above quote starts to reveal some interesting ‘repeating symbolism’. 1: Transiting Saturn features a 4 degree approaching conjunction to natal Mars. 2: Solar Mars & Saturn features a 3 degree foreground approaching square. 3: Solar Mars (Culminating) & Saturn (Rising) features a potential Paran. **I have seen a couple of cases where potential SSR Parans connected to a potential natal Paran factor, even falling in the background of a SSR, will dominate the delineating theme for a SSR-- to the point of mitigating angular factors. These potential Paran situations are somewhat confusing to me and I need to ask you Jim some questions pertaining to this situation. I will later post an example of this situation. 4: Sept. 10th DC SLR Saturn partile conjunct Natal Mars, foreground the Descendant, partile conjunct the West Point & partile conjunct the Vertex—opposing SLR Uranus. This same SLR features a partile 135 Mars-Neptune 5: Oct. 7th DC SLR Mars foreground the Asc. partile opposing Natal Saturn. This same SLR features a partile conjunct Mercury-Saturn. 6: Relocating Obama’s Natal Chart to DC and progressing it to Oct. 2009 with Naibod In RA, we see another ‘repeating symbolism’ of secondary progressed Mars partile 90 secondary progressed Saturn. Saturn is tight foreground the progressed Descendant. Also, it should be noted p Saturn is partile 135 p Pluto, p Mars is partile 45 p Pluto—one hellish planetary picture. Also, this secondary progressed chart features a Mercury partile conjunct Mars—placing secondary progressed Mercury, mind/ mental/talkative/thinking/thoughts in the fray of this hellish progressed planetary picture. Also, using the Sec. Prog. Bija Naboid in RA the progressed Moon is partile opposing p. Uranus. Shit---- I am partile-exhausted! Jim, Double Check my analysis here— my mind is tired/old and prone to mental errors.

What is going to trigger this secondary, progressed powder-keg off?

I have little personal experience with the following quote from Charles Carter, ‘Principles of Astrology’.

“The effect of transits is most noticeable when they act as stimuli to a coincident direction (progression). This Law of Excitation, which is one of the most useful and exact in Astrology, may be thus stated: “If at the time that a progressed body is in aspect to another by progression, either of these bodies forms an aspect by transit with either of the two progressed bodies, then the transit will excite the progressions into immediate operation.”

Our progressed example here is Fagan’s ‘repeating symbolism’ of angular p. Saturn (29Sag.03) partile square p. Mars (29vi22). What I find most interesting is transiting Mars exactly opposes p. Saturn and partiles squares p. Mars on Oct. 4th. This falls in the middle of the two Mars-Saturn SLR’S of Sept. 10th 2009 and Oct. 7th 2009---will be interested to see if Carter’s law is correct/exact? Jim-do you have any experience with Carter’s theorm?

Also, of interest is Solar Mars & Saturn are in determent! Jim, did Fagan/Bradley rely much on this determent factor with the sidereal zodiac? How do you interpret this determent factor?

Regards, Steve
Last edited by SteveS on Sat Aug 15, 2009 2:58 pm, edited 1 time in total.

by SteveS on Sat Aug 15, 2009 2:43 pm

I think we are beginning to see some of the harsh symbolism with Obama’s Aug. 09 SSR manifest pertaining to being President of our troubled (economically) Country. Will be interesting from a Solunar standpoint to see if this harsh symbolism grows in intensity with his Sept. SLR. Also, t. Saturn will soon move into partile (phase) conjunction to his natal Mars.

Regards, Steve

by Jim Eshelman on Sun Aug 16, 2009 8:16 am

Steve, since you have mentioned several times the parans in Obama's new SSR, I thought I'd generate a table of them. Here are all the parans within 1°:

Jupiter conjunct Neptune
Jup Asc 248°14'
Nep Asc 248°56'

Mercury square Mars
Mer Dsc 255°04'
Mar IC 255°40'

Mars square Jupiter
Jup MC 325°57'
Mar Asc 326°05'

Venus opposite Pluto
Plu Dsc 346°02'
Ven Asc 346°35'

by SteveS on Sun Aug 16, 2009 3:46 pm

Jim, I am sure the other Parans you listed for Obama’s 09 SSR are operative on a personal psychological level with Obama- but personally, I consider Obama’s main 09 SSR Paran is the Mars-Saturn Paran with a 1 degree 02’ orb for the following reasons:

“We have found that, when astrological symbolism is repeated in different maps, the event indicated is more likely to be of vital importance.” Cyril Fagan, ‘Primer of Sidereal Astrology’.

Repeated symbolism of Mars-Saturn with Obama’s 09 SSR:

1: The Mars-Saturn Paran is foreground Obama’s 09 SSR. It is also in a 90 degree (3 degree orb) aspect.
2: t. Saturn is tied in with Obama’s Natal Chart in a very important aspect. It will be in partile conjunct phase with his Natal Mars, in late Aug. & early Sept.. I have found in my personal work when a Planet(s) of a Paran combination is dynamically aspected to a Natal factor it lends more weight to the Paran itself.
3: We see angular Mars-Saturn symbolism with Obama’s 09 Sept. & Oct. SLR’s.
4: There is a partile Mars-Saturn square in Obama’s Naboid progression chart. This same Mars-Saturn partile progressed aspect is tied in to other partile dynamic aspects with progressed Pluto & progressed Mercury. I consider transits, SSR, & SLR to be possible triggering effects to excite a Naboid progressed aspect into operation.

Fagan states pertaining to Return Charts: “The most dreaded of all dual transits are those of the malefics, Mars & Saturn”.

Because of the above analysis, it is becoming apparent, at least with my personal observations, Obama’s personal priority with his Healthcare package is receiving “harmful or destructive energy” (town hall meetings) through the malefic symbolism of Mars-Saturn. Obama’s main objective was to get the Healthcare package passed by Sept. 15th. Weather or not he has chosen a bad time to achieve his timing objective remains to be seen. Time will tell! This does not necessarily mean total defeat for his Healthcare reforms—it only means that TIME is not on his side for his immediate 09 SSR period.

Regards, Steve

by Jim Eshelman on Sun Aug 16, 2009 8:32 pm

SteveS wrote:
Jim, I am sure the other Parans you listed for Obama’s 09 SSR are operative on a personal psychological level with Obama- but personally, I consider Obama’s main 09 SSR Paran is the Mars-Saturn Paran with a 1 degree 02’ orb for the following reasons:

Yes, I consider that too wide to be an aspect per se. While it's true that parans up to 2° means that both can be within 1° of an angle at the same time, it does seem too wide to be a paran aspect as such. It's not that it's weak, it's that I don't think it even belongs on the aspectarian.

Nonetheless, for investigative purposes, here are parans that have orbs greater than 1° and less than 2°.

Mars square Saturn
Mar MC 075°40'
Sat Asc 076°42'

Jupiter conjunct Neptune
Jup IC 145°57'
Nep IC 147°49'

Mars square Neptune
Mar Asc 326°05'
Nep MC 327°49'

by SteveS on Sun Aug 16, 2009 10:43 pm

Jim, I understand your take for only allowing Parans 1 degree orb or less. In my work I allow up to 2 degrees of orb for Parans for the exact reason you cited:

“While it's true that parans up to 2° means that both can be within 1° of an angle at the same time, it does seem too wide to be a paran aspect as such.”

Jim, you state from your book ‘Interpreting Solar Returns’:

“This then, isolates the Moon as the most crucial agent in a Solar Return, after the angles. Lunar aspects to natal and solar planets can never be treated lightly, even when wide in orb”.

Also, in your book, your work has correlated ‘Sun-Moon aspects in the Solar Return’ indicate probability of ‘crisis’—where:

… “it is important to examine relationship expectations and wants closely”…

We note in Obama’s 09 SSR, his solar Moon at 12Cap43 features an approaching 6 degree orb opposition with his 18Can21 Sun. Since this will offer partile 180 aspects by the two choices of quotidian progression rates within his Solar Year—do you consider this as indicating a possible ‘crisis’ aspect?

Another interesting notation from your book where you state:

“Mercury-Pluto aspects are “demand the answers” configurations which can sometimes go so far as to indicate being given the third degree.”

Even though Obama’s 09 SSR does not feature a t. Mercury-Pluto angular contact—there is an angular t. Mercury conjunction to Natal Pluto angular in his 09 SSR—which is the main ‘theme’ of his 09 SSR. I find this most interesting symbolism where it appears certain constitutes are demanding certain ‘answers’ by giving certain Senators and Congress persons the ‘third degree’ in certain town forums pertaining to Obama’s Healthcare reform. I can see where Obama might consider this as a personal crisis since he promised (campaigned) national Healthcare. Time will tell—but if someone pointed a gun at my head for a prediction I would predict Obama will not get the necessary votes for his present Healthcare package.

Regards, Steve

by Jim Eshelman on Mon Aug 17, 2009 1:05 am

SteveS wrote:
Jim, you state from your book ‘Interpreting Solar Returns’:

“This then, isolates the Moon as the most crucial agent in a Solar Return, after the angles. Lunar aspects to natal and solar planets can never be treated lightly, even when wide in orb”.

Also, in your book, your work has correlated ‘Sun-Moon aspects in the Solar Return’ indicate probability of ‘crisis’—where:

… “it is important to examine relationship expectations and wants closely”…

I am wondering if you are interpreting "crisis" the way the news media interprets it - as meaning something bad. I was quite careful to explain in the book that I was using it in its literal sense. It means a "cross roads" and, functionally, "an opportunity for change." It doesn't at all mean what the news media might mean by "the White House is facing a crisis."

And the reference to relationsships is especially (though not exclusively) about personal relationships.

We note in Obama’s 09 SSR, his solar Moon at 12Cap43 features an approaching 6 degree orb opposition with his 18Can21 Sun. Since this will offer partile 180 aspects by the two choices of quotidian progression rates within his Solar Year—do you consider this as indicating a possible ‘crisis’ aspect?

Yes, I do consider that,m at the time the Full Moon becomes exact by progression, he will face an invitation to change something fundamental in his life. I do not expect it to mean "a bad event will happen." It could, for example, be a significant renewal in his and Michelle's marriage. It could be some event of statesmanship.

Another interesting notation from your book where you state:

“Mercury-Pluto aspects are “demand the answers” configurations which can sometimes go so far as to indicate being given the third degree.”

Even though Obama’s 09 SSR does not feature a t. Mercury-Pluto angular contact—there is an angular t. Mercury conjunction to Natal Pluto angular in his 09 SSR—which is the main ‘theme’ of his 09 SSR. I find this most interesting symbolism where it appears certain constitutes are demanding certain ‘answers’ by giving certain Senators and Congress persons the ‘third degree’ in certain town forums pertaining to Obama’s Healthcare reform. I can see where Obama might consider this as a personal crisis since he promised (campaigned) national Healthcare. Time will tell—but if someone pointed a gun at my head for a prediction I would predict Obama will not get the necessary votes for his present Healthcare package.

Yes, he's certainly having to "face the music" and be more candid about his plans. Mercury transits to Pluto usually signify confrontation; a time when decisions are called due, and perhaps commitments made; especially a need for unambiguous answers; and, consequent to all of this, added stress and irritability.

And, of course, the Mars-Saturn square is technically foreground - they're about 10 degrees from the angles in mundo. It should be no surprise that this would be a year laced with struggles and arm-wrestling.

Jim wrote:
Yes, he's certainly having to "face the music" and be more candid about his plans. Mercury transits to Pluto usually signify confrontation; a time when decisions are called due, and perhaps commitments made; especially a need for unambiguous answers; and, consequent to all of this, added stress and irritability.

Bradley wrote:
Circumstances cause great nervous tension when Mercury and Pluto are prominently related. The native may be backed up against the wall of convention or written law, and must “fight his way out” of a predicament. Crisis arise which tax his patience, force him to “face the music,” and declare openly his stand on matters. This influence is the astrological index of “being given the third degree.”

by SteveS on Wed Jan 20, 2010 1:47 pm

Jim states from ‘Interpreting Solar Returns’:

In general, Sun-Moon aspects in a Solar Return represent crisis, significant turning points…Full Moon signals some sort of culmination and with it a stage of maximum extension in some area for the time being. Rudhyar comments, “In any case, some kind of concrete limits have been reached.”…a fitting climax is slated to occur naturally now. This too, is an aspect that calls for a reorientation of some sort.”

Obama now faces somewhat of a ‘crisis’ pertaining to his Health Care Reforms and other agendas with the stunning election Results in MA. last night. Also note Obama’s progressed Solar Quotidian is now featuring a partile Sun-Moon opposition. This partile progressed Sun-Moon opposition will be in the immediate foreground on Jan 27th for his first State of the Union address.

Fagan’s words pertaining to progressed Solar Moon aspects in a Solar Return:

“…The Arabic system of progressions, “day-to-year” or secondary method, has proved its worth. It has recently been discovered (1971) that planets in the solar return (known as “Solar Planets”) can be progressed by the secondary rate with very accurate results. On this basis, it will be rare that solar planets other than the Moon with an average motion of some 13 degrees a day-year, will close to an exact aspect during the year. Experience has shown that the progressions of the Solar Moon to the conjunction, opposition, of any planet during the solar year gives a very accurate timing for an event of the nature of the planet. This insistence on conjunctions, oppositions, does cut down the number of solar returns in which these aspects appear, but when they are present they are extremely valuable. The progressions of the solar Moon constitute an ideal method for rectification when the time of birth is unknown. A glance at the ephemeris at the time of the yearly Solar Return will show when the Moon is applying to the conjunction of, or opposition to, a planet. During the year there will be an event of the nature of the planet. If we know the date of the actual event, we can calculate the time of birth that will bring the Moon exactly to the conjunction of, or opposition to, the planet on the correct date.”

The stunning results of the MA. election was a significant event for Obama.

Regards, Steve

by SteveS on Thu Jan 21, 2010 6:06 am

One of the main ‘theme’ setters in Obama’s 09 Solar Return is angular Solar Mercury conjunct Natal Pluto.

Bradley says this about angular Mercury-Pluto symbolism in a Solar Return:

“Circumstances cause great nervous tension when Mercury and Pluto are prominently related. The native may be backed up against the wall of convention or written law, and must “fight his way out” of the predicament. Crises arise which tax his patience, force him to “face the music,” and declare openly his stand on matters. This influence is the astrological index of “being given the third degree.”

You see—this Mercury-Pluto ‘theme’ setter on his 09 Solar Return has got him backed into a corner with many people of the land. He must choose his words carefully and figure out a way to talk himself out of this ‘predicament’. His natal Mercury-Jupiter may help him?

Regards, Steve